From raquel_rpj@yahoo.es Fri Aug 01 00:54:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: raquel_rpj@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80027 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 07:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 07:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 07:54:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12005 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 07:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from [77.209.56.232] by web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:54:46 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:46 +0000 (GMT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <080120080137.5387.489268E9000113840000150B2216566276CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <854772.11746.qm@web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Raquel_Rodr=EDguez?= Reply-To: raquel_rpj@yahoo.es Subject: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=319886574; y=VSoUc8fFwmqI-FFfbYqfSygY8AVAcRbX-QLcc2q399E2S9pHhA X-Yahoo-Profile: raquel_rpj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45472 Dear Jonh I=A0send you a link with the national chart of the United States. I hope yo= u will find interesting http://www.astro.com/nat/natus2_e.htm =A0 Best Regards =A0 Raquel --- El vie, 1/8/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net e= scribi=F3: De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word m= ade FLESH! Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Fecha: viernes, 1 agosto, 2008 3:37 Frank, Hi and thanks for your reply. I don't know what the Nazi said I have not th= e urge to know. You are situated much better than I to advise on that consi= dering your life experience. >>> They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates<< = < Well one way I could visualize how they arrive at that nonsense is simply b= y the fact that Theosophy advocates at some distant point if a future where= mankind arrives to a more manifold condition of Unity. It is kind off funn= y that dictators hate Unity as an idea of "others"! But will annihilate mil= lions to create their distortion of unity. Here in Califonia a few decades = ago we had what seemed like millions of "Hippys" that were totally preoccup= ied with the idea of Unity. My point is the idea must go back in mankind a = very long time presenting itself to millions along the way, one can safely = say that "Unity" is not thee property of any genre such as Masons, Communis= ts, Christians or whatever. >>>World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations = and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates<< = < That sound a lot like the Eugenics Frank, they attempted to organize and ch= ronicle mankind constituency into a rigid stick logic diagram. Hamlets Mill= ground them into dust in very few decades.=20 There is considerable apt willingness to argue the previous times idea's. N= ew Disciplines have arose that contravenes most all of the intellectually f= avored previous mistakes. Mankind will do what they will do that is imperic= ally observable. If there is a will there can be found the way, the heart d= eclines the coldness and shallowness of puerile scientisms. I some time hol= d that Nero and other ancient rulers also long before our present predirele= ctions utilized excessive hedonisms and the debasement of morality to nurtu= re the grateful support they needed to stay Ruler. As the air moved over th= e entirety of the world so also can the affectations and morality of nation= s and individuals change like weather patterns crossing the country side. I have zero acquaintance in regard to Coudenhove Kalergi. Why did the magaz= ine accept that content? As far as I have read Frank the Protocols of Zion = are universally declared by reputable Scholars to be fraudulent. I am encli= ned to give weight to knowledge. >>>Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the wo= rld<<< Yes, there is always plenty of that on our plate here. But the usual suspec= ts most of the time are Socialist Front Organizations, L. The y promulgate = a vary large rumor mill by Leftist Radicals, Nationalist, Communist Front o= rganizations, NeoNazi Organizations, and many ot!hers that have distinct Ra= cial Identity's as Organizations. Anarchists also contribute their 2 cents = lol basically they think anything and everything about America is wrong, ev= il, racist, hateful, corrupt, oppressive, tyrranical, dictatorial, Gluttone= ss, amoral, hedonistic, greedy, apostate, and perhaps 200 more distinct sen= timents! Lol! Smoking pot definitely alters the ability to discriminate and produce excel= lence in judgmental decision making.=20 They hate that America fought to keep people free all over the planet and t= hat they lost most of the time. They hate our Power because it makes them c= owards. They hate our Money because they never understood how to make money= and don't have any money and can't get money because their countrys are co= rrupted by rich ruling elites that steal the wealth of the nation and keep = in Swiss Bank Accounts while the people starve. They hate our econimic powe= r because they mistakenly think we raided their property when what really h= appened was We paid money for the "Rights" and paid Royaltys to their Ruler= s or Government and we put up the money to Develop what was sitting there U= ndeveloped for thousands of years waiting for "anyone" determined enough wi= th enough know how, skilll, money and mind trust of people that could perfo= rm the event. Excuse me it was the Europeans who had Kings! They hate our f= orm of National Goverment because they live under the thumbs of evil and can't escape it. T hey "hate" is mainly what they do for a living and their Leaders love that = because they externalize it way from them, and it keeps the ruler ruling. I= magine a world where America had never appeared but all else happened as it= did what would be here right now for everybody??? ?? It is a pity so many are caught in the web of intentional distortions and r= edactions of the real history of the world. I wish someday people would get= real. I will try to find some time to read the link Frank. Regards, John PS: The American Government just spent $1.741 Trillion to bail out Homeowne= rs and Financial Institution that created the present mess. They didn't eve= n blink. Not one word of uproar over spending they do. ------------ -- Original message ------------ --=20 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" =20 >I didn't care to read Alice Bailey or Annie Besant as they were both away >from H.P.B. in my personal view. Annie Besant was a committed Communist >before she arrived to Theosophy or met Blavatsky. I consider that she knew >an opportunity to use Theosophy to advance those causes. I never admit tha= t >Communists can throw away the tenets they hold dear at the drop of the hat= . Interesting, John. You use against Besant the very same argument as the Nazis. They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates (especially directed against the British Theosophists in Germany, which are said to have been sworn to the City of London and the King of England). Leading Jews and Freemasons like Coudenhove Kalergi had (and still have whe= n you look at the EU policy) an agenda that the Jews are the master race whic= h should rule the Europeans, that race intermix with millions of Africans and Asians, which will they force to immigrate to Europe, will break the will o= f the Europeans so that the Jews can easily rule them: http://balder. org/judea/ Richard-Coudenho ve-Kalergi- Practical- Idealism-= Vienna-1925. php Gosh, Coudenhove Kalergi, who spreat his racist and inhuman ideology in a 1923 Vienna Masonic magazine and in several books, which are black listed i= n all European states (except in the national library of Finland or Sweden, I guess), has an agenda similar to the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - which are said to be a forgery (as Jews say). But Coudenhove Kalergi really lived and his books where really printed, although behind the scene there is much done to silence this Jewish pioneer= =20 publications. Why? Could the sheep awake before kosher butchering? His contemporary big H at the same time proclaimed that mankind must not be divided in superior and inferior races and that each race has a worth of it= s own (they called it Erbeigenart, which is the same as swabhava in Tibetan Buddhism) and that the peoples should deal brotherly with each other... And was Besant not rather a Fabian socialist - a kind of social democratism - than a communist? >It is sport today to foment hatred of America so what's new? Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the world since a longer time. Or rather a little gangster clique which is raised in= =20 own-run agngster elite universities, to be trained from their teens on to=20 lie and steel so that they become the next foreign rule leaders. Yet there is no room for anti-americanism in theosophy as the TS was founde= d to end foreign rules over the nations and a theosophist, who has studied hi= s ABC, knows well that the normal American is no more guilty for the crimes o= f his pseudo-government as any other human being, except for the occult connection. Even HPB, when she was forced to US citizenship to get a heritage, was furious about the gross inmorality in USA in her letters to her sister. But the USA of today or HPB's day is not the USA of the founding fathers. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 ______________________________________________=20 Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m=E1s inteligente. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From AnandGholap@gmail.com Fri Aug 01 01:33:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33426 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 08:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 08:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 08:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 08:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 08:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 08:33:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:33:50 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 121.246.207.215 From: "Anand" Subject: Re: 4 Questions between Anand and Daniel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=z5mkYrVB38Hxs3nlLj2D_72-ux-Q2U0DWLeWE5jC4Iwqs6H6YiEerVI X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45473 Hello Daniel, At least you answer one question definitely. You said according to Blavatsky God exists. Let us not focus on gender issue. Pl. answer the second question and describe nature of God in your words, as you understand what Blavatsky meant.=20 Anand Gholap --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" wrote: > > Anand, >=20 > It appears that there are 4 questions posed between us: >=20 > (1) Does God exist according to Blavatsky ? >=20 > (2) If yes, what is his nature according to Blavatsky ? >=20 > (3) is there an identity of thought between what Jnaneshwar teaches > and Koot Hoomi teaches concerning "God"? >=20 > In other words, is Jnaneshwar and Koot Hoomi espousing the > same "view", "teaching", about "God"? >=20 > (4) does Madame Blavatsky in THE SECRET DOCTRINE teach something > similar if not identical to what Jnanaeshwar taught and what we > find in the letter from Master Koot Hoomi? >=20 > Let me try to briefly answer them.=20=20 >=20 > (3) First I will answer #3. If you Anand have accurately summarized=20 > Jnaneshwar's teaching about God, then I would say that=20 > unless you have definitions of certain words which are different than=20 > the way I understand then, then yes Jnaneshwar and Koot Hoomi are=20 > talking about the same thing. >=20 > (4) Now to question #4. I would say that it appears to me that=20 > Jnaneshwar and Koot Hoomi and Blavatsky are giving the same teaching=20 > or idea about "God".=20=20 >=20 > (1) Now Question #1. In light of the answers to (3) and ($) then > yes, it appears to me that Blavatsky teaches the "existence" of "God". >=20 > But I hesitate to use both of the words: "existence" and "God". >=20 > For what does "to exist" actually mean? And to what does the=20 > word "God" refer to? >=20 > Certainly HP Blavatsky gives a teaching about the "Absolute". If you=20 > or anyone else can equate "God" with the "Absolute" then that could=20 > be said to be Blavatsky's teaching too. >=20 > (2) Now to your Question 2. >=20 > "...what is his nature according to Blavatsky?"=20=20=20 >=20 > I would ask why you use the word "his"? Why not use the word "her"=20 > or even "its"? >=20 > Are you suggesting "God" is a "he"? >=20 > Or are you using "his" just as an everyday convention. >=20 > If I speak of Anand and say he or him I am referring to the fact that=20 > you are a male as opposed to when speaking of Cass, I say she or her=20 > I am referring to the fact that she is a woman. Whereas I believe a=20 > paramecium is an "it". Neither male or female. I hope I'm not=20 > confused about the parmecium not having gender! >=20 > If God IS everything. And this is how I read your following=20 > description: >=20 > > St. Jnaneshwar writes in it that it is sin to consider ourselves > > separate from God. He wrote that God is the only one who exists, all > > forms which we see with senses are maya or illusion. >=20 > If each of us and everything in the universe is "in" God or is God=20 > and "separation" or "duality" is maya or illusion, then why say "he"=20 > or "his" or "him"? >=20 > And what is the "nature" of God if he or she or it or ____ IS=20 > everything? >=20 > I find it hard to describe how Blavatsky might describe "God". Maybe=20 > her description is best given by referring you to what she writes=20 > about the Absolute in THE SECRET DOCTRINE. I quoted what she wrote=20 > about the Absolute in one of my postings earlier today. >=20 > Does this help? And I hope Anand that you will grapple with these 4=20 > questions and try to answer them, too. >=20 > Daniel > http://hpb.cc > From AnandGholap@gmail.com Fri Aug 01 01:40:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46575 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 08:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 08:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 08:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 08:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 08:40:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:40:03 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <622301.43763.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 121.246.207.215 From: "Anand" Subject: Theos-World Re: To Anand: Concerning Blavatsky on "God" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=eiOq7z5xN5_5XsOK8Oi6yFai_NOgI4z8z7Oe4jhg6p7osXP9B8woY38 X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45474 Dear Cass, --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > This thread began with me asking you to explain what Leadbeater and Besant said about God.=C2=A0 You are like a mississippi senator who goes round the world but says nothing. I will write at right time, don't worry. Anand Gholap From iganet2002@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 02:14:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: iganet2002@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93825 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 09:14:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 09:14:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.135) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 09:14:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1767 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 09:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from [165.141.179.55] by web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:14:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:14:43 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <902985.1573.qm@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: revigani Reply-To: iganet2002@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: To Anand: Concerning Blavatsky on "God" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141256380; y=YQxB0agpgKxerCnYoYS5dXWz0dlj94uYGl5VQayYchxVXIveyw X-Yahoo-Profile: iganet2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45475 We are ONE.=A0 I think it is not necessary to respond.=A0 Just let be and l= et it go. =A0 There are vast number of things we do not yet know. Let us spend our time i= n this life to seek for the eternal things.=A0 May we be led to what we see= k. =A0 Rev. Igani =A0 --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Anand wrote: From: Anand Subject: Theos-World Re: To Anand: Concerning Blavatsky on "God" To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 5:40 AM Dear Cass, --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > This thread began with me asking you to explain what Leadbeater and Besant said about God.=C2=A0 You are like a mississippi senator who goes round the world but says nothing. I will write at right time, don't worry. Anand Gholap =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mvandertak@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 05:24:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mvandertak@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29681 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 12:24:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 12:24:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 12:24:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62037 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 12:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from [86.88.89.71] by web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:24:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 05:24:04 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <902985.1573.qm@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <567946.60443.qm@web52605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Martin Reply-To: mvandertak@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: To Anand: Concerning Blavatsky on "God" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38276385; y=Z2TYYw0LuQJvbWqck5G6059N2LIocBrdG7xBPxB5fnb4yp6iMg X-Yahoo-Profile: mvandertak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45476 A ONE-liner is never enough to explain others they are not the same, althou= gh ONE. That's why Maya was invented, else the ONE-ness would be bored and become u= nmanifest.=A0The way to understand Maya is Knowledge which excludes Power a= nd is free for he who has a mind to think, like an ear to listen or an eye = to see. But above all it is the virtue of living that we understand compassion with= out losing ONE-self is the way to Unity and eventually Freedom. --- On Fri, 8/1/08, revigani wrote: From: revigani Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: To Anand: Concerning Blavatsky on "God" To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 11:14 AM We are ONE.=A0 I think it is not necessary to respond.=A0 Just let be and l= et it go. =A0 There are vast number of things we do not yet know. Let us spend our time i= n this life to seek for the eternal things.=A0 May we be led to what we see= k. =A0 Rev. Igani =A0 --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Anand wrote: From: Anand Subject: Theos-World Re: To Anand: Concerning Blavatsky on "God" To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 5:40 AM Dear Cass, --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > This thread began with me asking you to explain what Leadbeater and Besant said about God.=C2=A0 You are like a mississippi senator who goes round the world but says nothing. I will write at right time, don't worry. Anand Gholap [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 09:29:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83467 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 16:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 16:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 16:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 16:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 16:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 16:29:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:29:38 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <080120080012.22793.489254FA000EDFA4000059092216554886CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=BK20DP9A3Fm8OQ911JGh92wzcqxWoOj9d5csbYJiRSfmRQBMHWDW X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45477 Hi John, Here is an interesting reading: http://reformed- theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html Especially this: http://reformed- theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_11.htm Best regards, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote: > > Anton, > Thanks for your kind attention and the Fabian Link it is now in my=20 favorites. I realize there are various colours of degree but during=20 my life I seem to have observed that the Socialist International=20 garnered support from all spectrums when it involved core=20 philosophical tenets and they all closed ranks in such manner that no=20 variation could be found in terms of mass action. They in turn rank=20 and file suborn to the Soviet Collective dictate in a great many=20 cases, they appear Integral to me. I don't disparage in the least=20 such things as minimum wage, Unions, right to work, realistic social=20 health care, and many other worthy causes that obtain by social=20 activism. I don't accord to the destructive manipulative use of=20 organized human beings to destructively wage political warfare=20 advocated by the Totalitarian Leadership, their Central Committee's=20 and Hierarchy. As this is observable. For instance today Lufthansa=20 Airlines has been struck by the Services Union at a time that all=20 airline > s are most severely struggling to remain solvent. Lufthansa had to=20 discontinue many International Flights and reorganize European=20 Schedules and just in time the Union "strikes" them!=20 > I have always found it hard to separate the various veins of=20 socialisms when they all close ranks together monolithically and=20 follow the Communist Proclamations title , chapter and verse. Perhaps=20 I see in a tunnel but who do you know that can place 6 million=20 demonstrators on the streets of Europe in only 24 hours time? Guess=20 who? You can see the reach today on the issue of things like the=20 Ukraine Sovreignity and the Crimea Fleet and Nato, the Serbia -=20 Kosovo reactions that immediately follow Russian Political=20 proclamations. The Tibetan outrage and the immense International=20 Agitative Network the Chinese have meticulously created to assist=20 and carry forward their Foreign Policy in Tibet and overseas. Italy=20 can't possess a Government for any period of reasonable duration due=20 to the leftist clamor and obstructionism there. I don't really think=20 it is unthinkable that Leftists would see a future is subverting=20 Theosophical organisations well all the time wearing the garb but=20 advancing th > e program of the International. After all haven't we already seen=20 that here and elsewhere?it is like not talking about sex here as one=20 person observed. I read online that the Peoples Temple originally=20 began as a Socialist Organization. it is my understanding that there=20 have been Socialist Presidents of American Theosophy in the last=20 century. If you Google Political Party's in America the list is=20 awesome! What I resent is the covertness, the underhandedness, the=20 duplicite avoidance of presenting straight out and straight forward=20 the alleigence and political character that some activists feel=20 cannot be presented out front in clear unmistakable view of all. >=20 > A good example is "Code Pink" an organization that camped out=20 near the Presidents Ranch for months. and they continually disrupt=20 the U. S. Senate and House of Representatives Hearings and Pentagon=20 Briefings. The woman who founded Code Pink was a committed long time=20 Communist who worked at the United Nations for 20 years as a=20 economist.=20 >=20 > In my remembrance a good many of the Fabianist Club membership=20 were also self proclaimed Communists who said so openly with pride,=20 many were quite famous.I could of course be mistaken but I think they=20 again found a convenient garment to wear.=20 >=20 > At any rate thanks, you know Lavrov recently spoke about the new=20 cold war. >=20 > Regards, > John >=20=20=20=20 > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > From: "Anton Rozman" =20 > Hi friends, >=20 > >Annie Besant was a committed Communist before she arrived to=20 Theosophy=20 > or met Blavatsky.< >=20 > Maybe this link can help to put Annie Besant's political=20 orientation=20 > before she joined the TS in more accurate perspective:=20 >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society >=20 > Best regards, > Anton >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Fri Aug 01 09:51:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84914 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 16:51:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 16:51:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.96) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 16:51:05 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wyef1Z00616AWCUA94r5HL; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:51:05 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter18.comcast.net ([204.127.225.118]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x4r51Z0012Ztkwk8S4r5hc; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:51:05 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Jm6l7ExcusA:10 a=T5w-rZuF-LIA:10 a=0mNXKqPUAAAA:8 a=iT1cO7qKBxjjg7D96rYA:9 a=rvWPNARWsz1Ko4bARKsA:7 a=0AVN2cBpWukE4l0GUsUXcFSPeaIA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=9J5VuaLb3qoA:10 a=QJAqVYndk0IA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=CF1WJvDbAAAA:8 a=edT4qi7n0xPijGixYnkA:9 a=ZeYMBP3VCjp-lADCezsA:7 a=YPcSKEffEWJ05L72YyU0MrE2y1oA:4 a=l1KeHmMDpNIA:10 a=gSKzzPPS7FUA:10 a=syfC3iHSy1IA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [76.114.15.44] by amailcenter18.comcast.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:51:04 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:51:04 +0000 Message-Id: <080120081651.9899.48933EF7000E325C000026AB2216548686CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=awGcpFy7y9nZrCOrRoMNlVvLL3bnqAdQUFLHrhUmP3Ocbi63RkJBSGhjOfmiG63t X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45478 Raquel, Thanks for the link, unfortunately i have some kind of glitch with my e-= mail software that involves certain links addresses somehow and it freezes = my IE so I wasn't able to access it. However I might indicate something for= you and members having to do with Astrology.=20 Sepharial The World Horoscope Hebrew Astrology By Sepharial Key to the Study of Prophecy London W. Foulsham & Co., Limited (Alias Walter Old - he was one of the 6 men in 12 member Inner Teaching Gro= up of H. P. B. --- she referred to him as "The Astral Tramp" she named him = that due to his habit of roaming around at night in his astral body. On pag= e 38 of this work are the "Period Chart for U.S.A." and the "Progressed Cha= rt for U.S.A." He illustrates using Both the U.S.A. and China characterizin= g America as the Present Western Power and China as the "future" World Powe= r.) Regards, John ------------ Original message --------------=20 From: Raquel Rodr=EDguez =20 Dear Jonh I send you a link with the national chart of the United States. I hope you = will find interesting http://www.astro.com/nat/natus2_e.htm Best Regards Raquel --- El vie, 1/8/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net e= scribi=F3: De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word m= ade FLESH! Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Fecha: viernes, 1 agosto, 2008 3:37 Frank, Hi and thanks for your reply. I don't know what the Nazi said I have not th= e urge to know. You are situated much better than I to advise on that consi= dering your life experience. >>> They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates<< = < Well one way I could visualize how they arrive at that nonsense is simply b= y the fact that Theosophy advocates at some distant point if a future where= mankind arrives to a more manifold condition of Unity. It is kind off funn= y that dictators hate Unity as an idea of "others"! But will annihilate mil= lions to create their distortion of unity. Here in Califonia a few decades = ago we had what seemed like millions of "Hippys" that were totally preoccup= ied with the idea of Unity. My point is the idea must go back in mankind a = very long time presenting itself to millions along the way, one can safely = say that "Unity" is not thee property of any genre such as Masons, Communis= ts, Christians or whatever. >>>World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations = and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates<< = < That sound a lot like the Eugenics Frank, they attempted to organize and ch= ronicle mankind constituency into a rigid stick logic diagram. Hamlets Mill= ground them into dust in very few decades.=20 There is considerable apt willingness to argue the previous times idea's. N= ew Disciplines have arose that contravenes most all of the intellectually f= avored previous mistakes. Mankind will do what they will do that is imperic= ally observable. If there is a will there can be found the way, the heart d= eclines the coldness and shallowness of puerile scientisms. I some time hol= d that Nero and other ancient rulers also long before our present predirele= ctions utilized excessive hedonisms and the debasement of morality to nurtu= re the grateful support they needed to stay Ruler. As the air moved over th= e entirety of the world so also can the affectations and morality of nation= s and individuals change like weather patterns crossing the country side. I have zero acquaintance in regard to Coudenhove Kalergi. Why did the magaz= ine accept that content? As far as I have read Frank the Protocols of Zion = are universally declared by reputable Scholars to be fraudulent. I am encli= ned to give weight to knowledge. >>>Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the wo= rld<<< Yes, there is always plenty of that on our plate here. But the usual suspec= ts most of the time are Socialist Front Organizations, L. The y promulgate = a vary large rumor mill by Leftist Radicals, Nationalist, Communist Front o= rganizations, NeoNazi Organizations, and many ot!hers that have distinct Ra= cial Identity's as Organizations. Anarchists also contribute their 2 cents = lol basically they think anything and everything about America is wrong, ev= il, racist, hateful, corrupt, oppressive, tyrranical, dictatorial, Gluttone= ss, amoral, hedonistic, greedy, apostate, and perhaps 200 more distinct sen= timents! Lol! Smoking pot definitely alters the ability to discriminate and produce excel= lence in judgmental decision making.=20 They hate that America fought to keep people free all over the planet and t= hat they lost most of the time. They hate our Power because it makes them c= owards. They hate our Money because they never understood how to make money= and don't have any money and can't get money because their countrys are co= rrupted by rich ruling elites that steal the wealth of the nation and keep = in Swiss Bank Accounts while the people starve. They hate our econimic powe= r because they mistakenly think we raided their property when what really h= appened was We paid money for the "Rights" and paid Royaltys to their Ruler= s or Government and we put up the money to Develop what was sitting there U= ndeveloped for thousands of years waiting for "anyone" determined enough wi= th enough know how, skilll, money and mind trust of people that could perfo= rm the event. Excuse me it was the Europeans who had Kings! They hate our f= orm of National Goverment because they live under the thumbs of evil and can't escape it. T hey "hate" is mainly what they do for a living and their Leaders love that = because they externalize it way from them, and it keeps the ruler ruling. I= magine a world where America had never appeared but all else happened as it= did what would be here right now for everybody??? ?? It is a pity so many are caught in the web of intentional distortions and r= edactions of the real history of the world. I wish someday people would get= real. I will try to find some time to read the link Frank. Regards, John PS: The American Government just spent $1.741 Trillion to bail out Homeowne= rs and Financial Institution that created the present mess. They didn't eve= n blink. Not one word of uproar over spending they do. ------------ -- Original message ------------ --=20 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" =20 >I didn't care to read Alice Bailey or Annie Besant as they were both away >from H.P.B. in my personal view. Annie Besant was a committed Communist >before she arrived to Theosophy or met Blavatsky. I consider that she knew >an opportunity to use Theosophy to advance those causes. I never admit tha= t >Communists can throw away the tenets they hold dear at the drop of the hat= . Interesting, John. You use against Besant the very same argument as the Nazis. They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates (especially directed against the British Theosophists in Germany, which are said to have been sworn to the City of London and the King of England). Leading Jews and Freemasons like Coudenhove Kalergi had (and still have whe= n you look at the EU policy) an agenda that the Jews are the master race whic= h should rule the Europeans, that race intermix with millions of Africans and Asians, which will they force to immigrate to Europe, will break the will o= f the Europeans so that the Jews can easily rule them: http://balder. org/judea/ Richard-Coudenho ve-Kalergi- Practical- Idealism-= Vienna-1925. php Gosh, Coudenhove Kalergi, who spreat his racist and inhuman ideology in a 1923 Vienna Masonic magazine and in several books, which are black listed i= n all European states (except in the national library of Finland or Sweden, I guess), has an agenda similar to the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - which are said to be a forgery (as Jews say). But Coudenhove Kalergi really lived and his books where really printed, although behind the scene there is much done to silence this Jewish pioneer= =20 publications. Why? Could the sheep awake before kosher butchering? His contemporary big H at the same time proclaimed that mankind must not be divided in superior and inferior races and that each race has a worth of it= s own (they called it Erbeigenart, which is the same as swabhava in Tibetan Buddhism) and that the peoples should deal brotherly with each other... And was Besant not rather a Fabian socialist - a kind of social democratism - than a communist? >It is sport today to foment hatred of America so what's new? Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the world since a longer time. Or rather a little gangster clique which is raised in= =20 own-run agngster elite universities, to be trained from their teens on to=20 lie and steel so that they become the next foreign rule leaders. Yet there is no room for anti-americanism in theosophy as the TS was founde= d to end foreign rules over the nations and a theosophist, who has studied hi= s ABC, knows well that the normal American is no more guilty for the crimes o= f his pseudo-government as any other human being, except for the occult connection. Even HPB, when she was forced to US citizenship to get a heritage, was furious about the gross inmorality in USA in her letters to her sister. But the USA of today or HPB's day is not the USA of the founding fathers. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ______________________________________________=20 Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m=E1s inteligente. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Fri Aug 01 11:36:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93278 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 18:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 18:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 18:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x08z1Z0070S2fkCA66cSzg; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:36:26 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter13.comcast.net ([204.127.225.113]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x6cR1Z00Y2TRPFQ8V6cRTd; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:36:26 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Jm6l7ExcusA:10 a=T5w-rZuF-LIA:10 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=wgmiWQ83F1TP3D4Ekp0A:9 a=wPJ9Hp_CL2pczsrBYvYA:7 a=3P6BLcrXCWspGL4H3MBOCpiaQksA:4 a=w11biaDsjoEA:10 a=kutOGMv4v1oA:10 a=Vbi9sgh5z-0A:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=kJVaTwQnZmMA:10 a=hMiTFcW_AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=LgHFUCFzAAAA:8 a=qkAf-F-MNImdJxS56ccA:9 a=tqLouDe5yquUjZnuxbIA:7 a=Ylsf2ZBpcXpPVfXDezj7lKOUK88A:4 a=l1KeHmMDpNIA:10 a=gSKzzPPS7FUA:10 a=YNR7Ae6bit0A:10 a=syfC3iHSy1IA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [76.114.15.44] by amailcenter13.comcast.net; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:36:24 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:36:24 +0000 Message-Id: <080120081836.20341.489357A8000B899D00004F752214756402CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=yIoB_G-DaIpAG46-zxuFgQvMJTO235Hh8FUDy1l3zzbXGSAER83r41lqMRcg39wK X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45479 Anton, Thanks for your reply and the link. However when I paste the link I get a long list of websites and none of them are the link itself. They all seem to be treating content of books by some person named Plewski, if I remembered that right lol. At any rate since there is no specific website that has the address you provided in the search listing I cannot make head or tail of it. Regards, John. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Anton Rozman" Hi John, Here is an interesting reading: http://reformed- theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html Especially this: http://reformed- theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_11.htm Best regards, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote: > > Anton, > Thanks for your kind attention and the Fabian Link it is now in my favorites. I realize there are various colours of degree but during my life I seem to have observed that the Socialist International garnered support from all spectrums when it involved core philosophical tenets and they all closed ranks in such manner that no variation could be found in terms of mass action. They in turn rank and file suborn to the Soviet Collective dictate in a great many cases, they appear Integral to me. I don't disparage in the least such things as minimum wage, Unions, right to work, realistic social health care, and many other worthy causes that obtain by social activism. I don't accord to the destructive manipulative use of organized human beings to destructively wage political warfare advocated by the Totalitarian Leadership, their Central Committee's and Hierarchy. As this is observable. For instance today Lufthansa Airlines has been struck by the Services Union at a time that all airline > s are most severely struggling to remain solvent. Lufthansa had to discontinue many International Flights and reorganize European Schedules and just in time the Union "strikes" them! > I have always found it hard to separate the various veins of socialisms when they all close ranks together monolithically and follow the Communist Proclamations title , chapter and verse. Perhaps I see in a tunnel but who do you know that can place 6 million demonstrators on the streets of Europe in only 24 hours time? Guess who? You can see the reach today on the issue of things like the Ukraine Sovreignity and the Crimea Fleet and Nato, the Serbia - Kosovo reactions that immediately follow Russian Political proclamations. The Tibetan outrage and the immense International Agitative Network the Chinese have meticulously created to assist and carry forward their Foreign Policy in Tibet and overseas. Italy can't possess a Government for any period of reasonable duration due to the leftist clamor and obstructionism there. I don't really think it is unthinkable that Leftists would see a future is subverting Theosophical organisations well all the time wearing the garb but advancing th > e program of the International. After all haven't we already seen that here and elsewhere?it is like not talking about sex here as one person observed. I read online that the Peoples Temple originally began as a Socialist Organization. it is my understanding that there have been Socialist Presidents of American Theosophy in the last century. If you Google Political Party's in America the list is awesome! What I resent is the covertness, the underhandedness, the duplicite avoidance of presenting straight out and straight forward the alleigence and political character that some activists feel cannot be presented out front in clear unmistakable view of all. > > A good example is "Code Pink" an organization that camped out near the Presidents Ranch for months. and they continually disrupt the U. S. Senate and House of Representatives Hearings and Pentagon Briefings. The woman who founded Code Pink was a committed long time Communist who worked at the United Nations for 20 years as a economist. > > In my remembrance a good many of the Fabianist Club membership were also self proclaimed Communists who said so openly with pride, many were quite famous.I could of course be mistaken but I think they again found a convenient garment to wear. > > At any rate thanks, you know Lavrov recently spoke about the new cold war. > > Regards, > John > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Anton Rozman" > Hi friends, > > >Annie Besant was a committed Communist before she arrived to Theosophy > or met Blavatsky.< > > Maybe this link can help to put Annie Besant's political orientation > before she joined the TS in more accurate perspective: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society > > Best regards, > Anton > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 12:11:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7532 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 19:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 19:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 19:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 19:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 19:11:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 19:11:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:11:02 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <080120081836.20341.489357A8000B899D00004F752214756402CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=IQ0LpBhJsjIvu3zOlmzNsMjQTNUFGHiSklrRmq23VFOUacXYpUja X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45480 Hi John, I don't know how to handle links which go over the line to be=20 functional. Please, try this: http://www.reformed-theology.org/ Click on "SRT Books" on the left and scroll down to SRT Political=20 books online and there you have some interesting titles by Antony C.=20 Sutton. I wanted to propose you: "Wall Street and the Bolshevic=20 Revolution".=20 Best regards, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote: > > Anton, > Thanks for your reply and the link. However when I paste the=20 link I get a long list of websites and none of them are the link=20 itself. They all seem to be treating content of books by some person=20 named Plewski, if I remembered that right lol. At any rate since=20 there is no specific website that has the address you provided in the=20 search listing I cannot make head or tail of it. >=20 > Regards, > John.=20 From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 13:51:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21356 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 20:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 20:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 20:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 20:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 20:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 20:51:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:51:20 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.29.101 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: Anton, Create a Tiny URL!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=fNsLIcaGRZ6bc_VztGtfnw26tpUe0zMguejp-FJD5YpCLSxVwW4NGOFT X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45481 Anton, Create a tiny URL. Copy the complete LONG link, for example: http://reformed- theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html into your mouse and then go to: http://tinyurl.com/ Then paste the link from your mouse memory into the appropriate box=20 and voila. The tinyurl created for me was: http://tinyurl.com/37f422 Does this tinyurl work?? Daniel http://hpb.cc From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 14:16:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50354 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 21:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 21:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.131) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 21:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n4.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 21:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 21:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 21:16:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:16:05 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.29.101 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: Re: 4 Questions between Anand and Daniel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=xYFARStsGh8THcbk37mEnCp7EwsBgIlase2Bdz7KBAi31-ryTORJoDd8 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45482 Anand, You write: ------------------------------------------------ At least you answer one question definitely. You said according to Blavatsky God exists. Let us not focus on gender issue. Pl. answer the second question and describe nature of God in your words, as you understand what Blavatsky meant. ------------------------------------------------ Anton, I tried to explain that if we want to use the word "God" to mean the Absolute of THE SECRET DOCTRINE, then HPB would probably=20 approve of that equation.=20=20 But I really hesitate to use the word "God" because it conjures up so=20 many different images and definitions and emotions. In one sense, "God" could refer to the "inner God" --- the Atma- Buddhi-Manas or the Atma-Buddhi Monad or just the Atman which might=20 be defined in turn as the Universal Spirit or Universal Self or=20 Trancendental Self or one could say that the word "God" could also=20 refer to one of the Planetary Spirits. See THE SECRET DOCTRINE index=20 under "Planetary Spirit", Dhyan Chohan, etc. But I think one could use the word "God" when referring to the=20 following 3 definitions: DEFINITION ONE BY H.P. BLAVATSKY -------------------------------------------------- ... [an] Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE on which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the power of human conception and could only be dwarfed by any human expression or similitude. It is beyond the range and reach of thought -- in the words of Mandukya, "unthinkable and unspeakable." To render these ideas clearer to the general reader, let him set out with the postulate that there is one absolute Reality which antecedes all manifested, conditioned, being. This Infinite and Eternal Cause -- dimly formulated in the "Unconscious" and "Unknowable" of current European philosophy -- is the rootless root of "all that was, is, or ever shall be." It is of course devoid of all attributes and is essentially without any relation to manifested, finite Being. It is "Be-ness" rather than Being (in Sanskrit, Sat), and is beyond all thought or speculation. ------------------------------------------------- DEFINITION TWO BY MASTER KH ------------------------------------------------- "=85.Pantheistic we may be called -- agnostic NEVER. If people are willing to accept and to regard as God our ONE LIFE immutable and unconscious in its eternity they may do so and thus keep to one more gigantic misnomer. But then they will have to say with Spinoza that there is not and that we cannot conceive any other substance than God; or as that famous and unfortunate philosopher says in his fourteenth proposition, "praeter Deum nulla dari neque concepi potest substantia" -- and thus become Pantheists...." ------------------------------------------------- DEFINITION THREE BY MASTER KH ------------------------------------------------- ". . We are not Adwaitees, but our teaching respecting the one life is identical with that of the Adwaitee with regard to Parabrahm. And no true philosophically trained Adwaitee will ever call himself an agnostic, for he knows that he is Parabrahm and identical in every respect with the universal life and soul -- the macrocosm is the microcosm and he knows that there is no God apart from himself, no creator as no being...." ------------------------------------------------- I don't think I need to rewrite into my own words what is given in=20 these 3 definitions. In fact, I would feel I would have to write a=20 mini-article and I don't have the hours right now to work on=20 composing something of that size. Read for yourself some of the entries in HPB's SECRET DOCTRINE and=20 THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY and try to understand it for yourself. BUT if you have questions about parts of HPB's or KH's definitions=20 GIVEN ABOVE, I will try to give you my 2 cents about the part you=20 don't understand or would like more clarification on. I've tried to give you various material in my several previous=20 postings on the subject. Now I'm hoping you will try to answer at least 3 of the 4 questions=20 that I posted at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/45464 I tried to answer them in that posting. Daniel http://hpb.cc From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 14:38:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39785 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 21:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 21:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 21:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 21:38:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 21:38:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:38:27 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.29.101 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: HPB, KH, Jnaneshwar, and Madhva: Comparing and Contrasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=l1cNwoSqI0Kp7Xvp3p6pTPFV_Mnlo3DYLqdDqV5T-ZVMK7aStpQaAXoT X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45483 Anand, You and other interested readers might want to CONTRAST and COMPARE the 3 definitions I gave by Blavatsky and KH with what=20 Madhva, the Hindu theologian/philosopher, taught and also with what=20 you said Jnaneshwar taught.=20=20 See those 3 definitions by Blavatsky and KH in the following posting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/45482 And you will find BELOW Jnaneshwar's teaching (as given by you) and=20 Madhva's teaching (as given in THE OXFORD COMPANION TO PHILOSOPHY,=20=20 MY FINAL COMMENTS WILL BE FOUND AT THE VERY END OF THIS POSTING BELOW. JNANESHWAR'S TEACHING ----------------------------------------------------- > St. Jnaneshwar writes in it that it is sin to consider ourselves > separate from God. He wrote that God is the only one who exists, all > forms which we see with senses are maya or illusion. ----------------------------------------------------- MADHVA'S TEACHING --------------------------------------------------------- ...Warning that you cannot adore God if you think that you are identical with him, he [Madhva] also celebrates all five differences denied by the idealist monists, namely, God...[is distinct from] the world, God...[is distinct from you or I am distinct from God], I... [am distinct from] you, I...[am distinct from] the table, the table...[is distinct from] the chair.... Liberation, attainable only through devoted worship of the personal God, brings blissful proximity to, but never equality with, God, though some sinners (non-dualists?) remain eternally damned! --------------------------------------------------------- Unless I'm missing out on something or not understanding something,=20 then it appears to me that Madhva's teaching is QUITE DIFFERENT from=20 KH's, HPB's and Jnaneshwar's teachings.=20 Anand, what do you think?? Daniel http://hpb.cc From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 14:44:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35402 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 21:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 21:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 21:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 21:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 21:43:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 21:43:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:43:47 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Re: Anton, Create a Tiny URL!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=SJSYNsg4uikI7mT1otEhaIK-lKLDM1znyabhjq4iFqFJXMdr9tMf X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45484 Daniel, Thanks! Yes, it works perfectly! Best regards, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell"=20 wrote: > > Anton, >=20 > Create a tiny URL. >=20 > Copy the complete LONG link, for example: >=20 > http://reformed- > theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html >=20 > into your mouse and then go to: >=20 > http://tinyurl.com/ >=20 > Then paste the link from your mouse memory into the appropriate box=20 > and voila. >=20 > The tinyurl created for me was: >=20 > http://tinyurl.com/37f422 >=20 > Does this tinyurl work?? >=20 > Daniel > http://hpb.cc > From raquel_rpj@yahoo.es Fri Aug 01 14:57:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: raquel_rpj@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37527 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 21:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 21:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 21:57:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78258 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 21:57:24 -0000 X-Received: from [77.209.82.17] by web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:57:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:57:24 +0000 (GMT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <080120081651.9899.48933EF7000E325C000026AB2216548686CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <673416.77393.qm@web26501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Raquel_Rodr=EDguez?= Reply-To: raquel_rpj@yahoo.es Subject: United States national chart X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=319886574; y=R9tL_UHKPmMc5o64DJxmazZVEnFRtIOPBSOz3Guy6qSGzKJQPA X-Yahoo-Profile: raquel_rpj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45485 John=20 Thank you again for your always valuable recommendations, I will ad this bo= ok to my virtual library. I copy the interpretation of the link I sent. It is a short report, but nev= ertheless I found accurate. =A0 In the horoscope of the United States, Pluto, as it moves through Sagittari= us, is crossing the Ascendant of the chart, reflecting a profound transform= ation on many levels. This aspect has never occurred before in America's hi= story, and therefore it is of the greatest importance. Most likely to be af= fected is the country's own image of itself, reflected not only in how Amer= ica presents itself to other nations, but in the myths, dreams, ideals and = social expectations which are expressed at home.=20 The independent, freedom-loving, expansive, truth-seeking qualities of Sagi= ttarius are evident in the American myth, style, and self-image, and it is = this particular image which is likely to be transformed over the time of th= e Millennium and afterward. There may be some loss of naivety, and some ser= ious questioning of previously held moral and religious assumptions; but at= the same time there is also likely to be an increased desire to understand= human motivation, and a strong wish to eradicate all those negative intern= al influences which thwart human rights and dampen hope. This could mean an= increase of religious intensity in some quarters. Religious, legal and mor= al issues are likely to be the source of many conflicts and many creative r= esolutions over this time.=20 The long transit of Pluto is likely to be reflected in much soul-searching = and moral and religious questioning, some of it perhaps excessive, but all = of it underpinned by a profound collective need to build sounder spiritual = and ethical foundations. The subtle influence of Neptune moving through Aqu= arius could help this process to achieve a creative result because it may r= emind Americans of their unity with other peoples and other nations, not le= ast through shared material and financial resources; and this could help to= offset any intolerance set in motion by Pluto's intense quest for truth.=20 Likewise Uranus in Aquarius and Pisces, passing over the Moon in the Americ= an chart, may awaken public consciousness of the wider world, and stimulate= a desire for greater tolerance and humanitarian concern as well as inspiri= ng new technological and scientific discoveries.=20 Liz Greene, 1999=20 (Data used: 4 July 1776, 4.50 pm LMT, Philadelphia, PA; this is the so-call= ed "Sibly chart", which was originally published in 1787. It is based, in p= art, on eyewitness accounts of the signing of the Declaration of Independen= ce. There is another chart commonly used for the USA, which gives Gemini on= the Ascendant, but there is no historical evidence to support this horosco= pe.)=20 =A0 Warm regards =A0 Raquel --- El vie, 1/8/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net e= scribi=F3: De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word m= ade FLESH! Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Fecha: viernes, 1 agosto, 2008 6:51 Raquel, Thanks for the link, unfortunately i have some kind of glitch with my e-= mail software that involves certain links addresses somehow and it freezes my IE= so I wasn't able to access it. However I might indicate something for you and members having to do with Astrology.=20 Sepharial The World Horoscope Hebrew Astrology By Sepharial Key to the Study of Prophecy London W. Foulsham & Co., Limited (Alias Walter Old - he was one of the 6 men in 12 member Inner Teaching Gro= up of H. P. B. --- she referred to him as "The Astral Tramp" she named him that due to his habit of roaming around at night in his astral body. On= page 38 of this work are the "Period Chart for U.S.A." and the "Progressed Chart for U.S.A." He illustrates using Both the U.S.A. and China characterizing America as the Present Western Power and China as the "future" World Power.) Regards, John ------------ Original message --------------=20 From: Raquel Rodr=EDguez =20 Dear Jonh I send you a link with the national chart of the United States. I hope you = will find interesting http://www.astro.com/nat/natus2_e.htm Best Regards Raquel --- El vie, 1/8/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net escribi=F3: De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word m= ade FLESH! Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Fecha: viernes, 1 agosto, 2008 3:37 Frank, Hi and thanks for your reply. I don't know what the Nazi said I have not the urge to know. You are situated much better than I to advise on that considering your life experience. >>> They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates<< < Well one way I could visualize how they arrive at that nonsense is simply b= y the fact that Theosophy advocates at some distant point if a future where mankind arrives to a more manifold condition of Unity. It is kind off funny= that dictators hate Unity as an idea of "others"! But will annihilate millions to create their distortion of unity. Here in Califonia a few decad= es ago we had what seemed like millions of "Hippys" that were totally preoccupied with the idea of Unity. My point is the idea must go back in ma= nkind a very long time presenting itself to millions along the way, one can safel= y say that "Unity" is not thee property of any genre such as Masons, Communists, Christians or whatever. >>>World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates<< < That sound a lot like the Eugenics Frank, they attempted to organize and chronicle mankind constituency into a rigid stick logic diagram. Hamlets Mi= ll ground them into dust in very few decades.=20 There is considerable apt willingness to argue the previous times idea's. New Disciplines have arose that contravenes most all of the intellectually favored previous mistakes. Mankind will do what they will do that is imperi= cally observable. If there is a will there can be found the way, the heart declin= es the coldness and shallowness of puerile scientisms. I some time hold that N= ero and other ancient rulers also long before our present predirelections utili= zed excessive hedonisms and the debasement of morality to nurture the grateful support they needed to stay Ruler. As the air moved over the entirety of th= e world so also can the affectations and morality of nations and individuals change like weather patterns crossing the country side. I have zero acquaintance in regard to Coudenhove Kalergi. Why did the magaz= ine accept that content? As far as I have read Frank the Protocols of Zion are universally declared by reputable Scholars to be fraudulent. I am enclined = to give weight to knowledge. >>>Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the world<<< Yes, there is always plenty of that on our plate here. But the usual suspec= ts most of the time are Socialist Front Organizations, L. The y promulgate a v= ary large rumor mill by Leftist Radicals, Nationalist, Communist Front organizations, NeoNazi Organizations, and many ot!hers that have distinct R= acial Identity's as Organizations. Anarchists also contribute their 2 cents lol basically they think anything and everything about America is wrong, evil, racist, hateful, corrupt, oppressive, tyrranical, dictatorial, Gluttoness, amoral, hedonistic, greedy, apostate, and perhaps 200 more distinct sentime= nts! Lol! Smoking pot definitely alters the ability to discriminate and produce excellence in judgmental decision making.=20 They hate that America fought to keep people free all over the planet and t= hat they lost most of the time. They hate our Power because it makes them cowar= ds. They hate our Money because they never understood how to make money and don't have any money and can't get money because their countrys are corrupted by rich ruling elites that steal the wealth of the nation and kee= p in Swiss Bank Accounts while the people starve. They hate our econimic power because they mistakenly think we raided their property when what really hap= pened was We paid money for the "Rights" and paid Royaltys to their Rulers or Government and we put up the money to Develop what was sitting there Undeveloped for thousands of years waiting for "anyone" determined enough with enough know how, skilll, money and mind trust of people that co= uld perform the event. Excuse me it was the Europeans who had Kings! They hate = our form of National Goverment because they live under the thumbs of evil and can't escape it. T hey "hate" is mainly what they do for a living and their Leaders love that because they externalize it way from them, and it keeps the ruler ruli= ng. Imagine a world where America had never appeared but all else happened as i= t did what would be here right now for everybody??? ?? It is a pity so many are caught in the web of intentional distortions and redactions of the real history of the world. I wish someday people would ge= t real. I will try to find some time to read the link Frank. Regards, John PS: The American Government just spent $1.741 Trillion to bail out Homeowne= rs and Financial Institution that created the present mess. They didn't even blink. Not one word of uproar over spending they do. ------------ -- Original message ------------ --=20 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" =20 >I didn't care to read Alice Bailey or Annie Besant as they were both away >from H.P.B. in my personal view. Annie Besant was a committed Communist >before she arrived to Theosophy or met Blavatsky. I consider that she knew >an opportunity to use Theosophy to advance those causes. I never admit tha= t >Communists can throw away the tenets they hold dear at the drop of the hat= . Interesting, John. You use against Besant the very same argument as the Nazis. They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates (especially directed against the British Theosophists in Germany, which are said to have been sworn to the City of London and the King of England). Leading Jews and Freemasons like Coudenhove Kalergi had (and still have whe= n you look at the EU policy) an agenda that the Jews are the master race whic= h should rule the Europeans, that race intermix with millions of Africans and Asians, which will they force to immigrate to Europe, will break the will o= f the Europeans so that the Jews can easily rule them: http://balder. org/judea/ Richard-Coudenho ve-Kalergi- Practical- Idealism- Vienna-1925. php Gosh, Coudenhove Kalergi, who spreat his racist and inhuman ideology in a 1923 Vienna Masonic magazine and in several books, which are black listed i= n all European states (except in the national library of Finland or Sweden, I guess), has an agenda similar to the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - which are said to be a forgery (as Jews say). But Coudenhove Kalergi really lived and his books where really printed, although behind the scene there is much done to silence this Jewish pioneer= =20 publications. Why? Could the sheep awake before kosher butchering? His contemporary big H at the same time proclaimed that mankind must not be divided in superior and inferior races and that each race has a worth of it= s own (they called it Erbeigenart, which is the same as swabhava in Tibetan Buddhism) and that the peoples should deal brotherly with each other... And was Besant not rather a Fabian socialist - a kind of social democratism - than a communist? >It is sport today to foment hatred of America so what's new? Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the world since a longer time. Or rather a little gangster clique which is raised in= =20 own-run agngster elite universities, to be trained from their teens on to=20 lie and steel so that they become the next foreign rule leaders. Yet there is no room for anti-americanism in theosophy as the TS was founde= d to end foreign rules over the nations and a theosophist, who has studied hi= s ABC, knows well that the normal American is no more guilty for the crimes o= f his pseudo-government as any other human being, except for the occult connection. Even HPB, when she was forced to US citizenship to get a heritage, was furious about the gross inmorality in USA in her letters to her sister. But the USA of today or HPB's day is not the USA of the founding fathers. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ______________________________________________=20 Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m=E1s inteligente. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ______________________________________________=20 Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! 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Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=tEiH3DL8qKFPOKlYYM-r60HGmI6mGnvRVjgqZgn5Q43Mj8F6v2cYXLmLjcxoqmtp X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45486 Anton, Thanks that did the trick, I have them on my favorites and looks like quite a bit to read. I scanned the Chapter index and saw many items I was familiar with but no one has mentioned most of them here for decades ago. They appear in the News and TV long ago some of them. Also today I G Farben is reconstituted although the Father has passed, the two sons continue and have made the Firm very sound. They make the excellent German Submarines now that run very quiet among other commercial endeavors. I didn't see the Bush Union Bank listed as contributors for the Reich but it may be in the book somewhere. You might also Google Eugenio Pacelli Papel Nuncio to Germany, back around 2000 there were online contents with a Photo of him and Hitler at his residence in Munich and a suitcase of money he was delivering to Hitler before He had rose to power. Also there was a women name Mae Brussel years ago who caused quite an uproar with her investigative Radio Shows a most interesting stimulating women. She passed on over a decade ago. Mae Brussel Google Image Search >>>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Mae+Brussel&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2<<< Mae Brussel Artilces List >>>http://www.newsmakingnews.com/world_watchers_international_ret.htm<<< I want also to mention because I saw Chapters about German-Soviet Cooperations. When I was reviewing online about the Caspian Sea Monster and the Russian Flying boat History I think it was the Bureau Boss of Beriev the Designer, a Colonel in the Russian Military who was involved in a secret program with Germany in violation of the WWI punitive restrictions on rearmament . The Russians were most impressed with the new German Fighter Aircraft and made secret overtures to procure them covertly, secretly bring them to a covert airfield, and train Russian Pilots to fly them on Russian soil. this was done and a Staff of German Officers was stationed there for a considerable time. The USA should buy a enitre Fleet of the Beriev Flying Boat Fire Fighting Aircraft! We Could save a huge amount of money and get a superior product to boot! I guess everyone likes a good mystery is a aphorism in regards to all these hidden things that humans do. Regards, John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Anton Rozman" Hi John, I don't know how to handle links which go over the line to be functional. Please, try this: http://www.reformed-theology.org/ Click on "SRT Books" on the left and scroll down to SRT Political books online and there you have some interesting titles by Antony C. Sutton. I wanted to propose you: "Wall Street and the Bolshevic Revolution". Best regards, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote: > > Anton, > Thanks for your reply and the link. However when I paste the link I get a long list of websites and none of them are the link itself. They all seem to be treating content of books by some person named Plewski, if I remembered that right lol. At any rate since there is no specific website that has the address you provided in the search listing I cannot make head or tail of it. > > Regards, > John. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Fri Aug 01 20:04:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31692 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 03:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 03:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.32) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 03:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xE9E1Z01L0lTkoCA3F4uBn; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:04:54 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter07.comcast.net ([204.127.225.107]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xF4t1Z00E2KfMDo8QF4uBg; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:04:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qe-8UYRoFyQA:10 a=GQ3_5X93oAMA:10 a=0mNXKqPUAAAA:8 a=bEgpsu3CZAcf56xmk0oA:9 a=7VYhi9zvIX9CtQQpfiwA:7 a=LS3HmTqwo7ruEz1JrY5ghuywys8A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=9J5VuaLb3qoA:10 a=QJAqVYndk0IA:10 a=U4_83cv-AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=bPDrSDEC1Hw3VCiPoNIA:9 a=YCEe-MW0kjw4fhY9r7UA:7 a=pCff3pgK__RwAjG6ZkfrZTPimTgA:4 a=l1KeHmMDpNIA:10 a=gSKzzPPS7FUA:10 a=syfC3iHSy1IA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [76.114.15.44] by amailcenter07.comcast.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:04:52 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:04:52 +0000 Message-Id: <080220080304.26947.4893CED4000133C9000069432216551406CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.32 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World United States national chart X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=8rbCStTgicASh-D45JLP0Kc3JJaRPA3yK8RjP1WQCREsZUviZ8EKG2qag70_ol6d X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45487 Raquel =20=20=20 Thanks for your reply and the copy of th cahrt finding, most interesting. I= will have to see what I find about the Chart from the Founding Time. Regards, John=20 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: Raquel Rodr=EDguez =20 John=20 Thank you again for your always valuable recommendations, I will ad this bo= ok to my virtual library. I copy the interpretation of the link I sent. It is a short report, but nev= ertheless I found accurate. In the horoscope of the United States, Pluto, as it moves through Sagittari= us, is crossing the Ascendant of the chart, reflecting a profound transform= ation on many levels. This aspect has never occurred before in America's hi= story, and therefore it is of the greatest importance. Most likely to be af= fected is the country's own image of itself, reflected not only in how Amer= ica presents itself to other nations, but in the myths, dreams, ideals and = social expectations which are expressed at home.=20 The independent, freedom-loving, expansive, truth-seeking qualities of Sagi= ttarius are evident in the American myth, style, and self-image, and it is = this particular image which is likely to be transformed over the time of th= e Millennium and afterward. There may be some loss of naivety, and some ser= ious questioning of previously held moral and religious assumptions; but at= the same time there is also likely to be an increased desire to understand= human motivation, and a strong wish to eradicate all those negative intern= al influences which thwart human rights and dampen hope. This could mean an= increase of religious intensity in some quarters. Religious, legal and mor= al issues are likely to be the source of many conflicts and many creative r= esolutions over this time.=20 The long transit of Pluto is likely to be reflected in much soul-searching = and moral and religious questioning, some of it perhaps excessive, but all = of it underpinned by a profound collective need to build sounder spiritual = and ethical foundations. The subtle influence of Neptune moving through Aqu= arius could help this process to achieve a creative result because it may r= emind Americans of their unity with other peoples and other nations, not le= ast through shared material and financial resources; and this could help to= offset any intolerance set in motion by Pluto's intense quest for truth.=20 Likewise Uranus in Aquarius and Pisces, passing over the Moon in the Americ= an chart, may awaken public consciousness of the wider world, and stimulate= a desire for greater tolerance and humanitarian concern as well as inspiri= ng new technological and scientific discoveries.=20 Liz Greene, 1999=20 (Data used: 4 July 1776, 4.50 pm LMT, Philadelphia, PA; this is the so-call= ed "Sibly chart", which was originally published in 1787. It is based, in p= art, on eyewitness accounts of the signing of the Declaration of Independen= ce. There is another chart commonly used for the USA, which gives Gemini on= the Ascendant, but there is no historical evidence to support this horosco= pe.)=20 Warm regards Raquel --- El vie, 1/8/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net e= scribi=F3: De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word m= ade FLESH! Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Fecha: viernes, 1 agosto, 2008 6:51 Raquel, Thanks for the link, unfortunately i have some kind of glitch with my e-mai= l software that involves certain links addresses somehow and it freezes my IE= so I wasn't able to access it. However I might indicate something for you and members having to do with Astrology.=20 Sepharial The World Horoscope Hebrew Astrology By Sepharial Key to the Study of Prophecy London W. Foulsham & Co., Limited (Alias Walter Old - he was one of the 6 men in 12 member Inner Teaching Gro= up of H. P. B. --- she referred to him as "The Astral Tramp" she named him that due to his habit of roaming around at night in his astral body. On= page 38 of this work are the "Period Chart for U.S.A." and the "Progressed Chart for U.S.A." He illustrates using Both the U.S.A. and China characterizing America as the Present Western Power and China as the "future" World Power.) Regards, John ------------ Original message --------------=20 From: Raquel Rodr=EDguez =20 Dear Jonh I send you a link with the national chart of the United States. I hope you = will find interesting http://www.astro.com/nat/natus2_e.htm Best Regards Raquel --- El vie, 1/8/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net escribi=F3: De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word m= ade FLESH! Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Fecha: viernes, 1 agosto, 2008 3:37 Frank, Hi and thanks for your reply. I don't know what the Nazi said I have not the urge to know. You are situated much better than I to advise on that considering your life experience. >>> They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates<< < Well one way I could visualize how they arrive at that nonsense is simply b= y the fact that Theosophy advocates at some distant point if a future where mankind arrives to a more manifold condition of Unity. It is kind off funny= that dictators hate Unity as an idea of "others"! But will annihilate millions to create their distortion of unity. Here in Califonia a few decad= es ago we had what seemed like millions of "Hippys" that were totally preoccupied with the idea of Unity. My point is the idea must go back in ma= nkind a very long time presenting itself to millions along the way, one can safel= y say that "Unity" is not thee property of any genre such as Masons, Communists, Christians or whatever. >>>World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates<< < That sound a lot like the Eugenics Frank, they attempted to organize and chronicle mankind constituency into a rigid stick logic diagram. Hamlets Mi= ll ground them into dust in very few decades.=20 There is considerable apt willingness to argue the previous times idea's. New Disciplines have arose that contravenes most all of the intellectually favored previous mistakes. Mankind will do what they will do that is imperi= cally observable. If there is a will there can be found the way, the heart declin= es the coldness and shallowness of puerile scientisms. I some time hold that N= ero and other ancient rulers also long before our present predirelections utili= zed excessive hedonisms and the debasement of morality to nurture the grateful support they needed to stay Ruler. As the air moved over the entirety of th= e world so also can the affectations and morality of nations and individuals change like weather patterns crossing the country side. I have zero acquaintance in regard to Coudenhove Kalergi. Why did the magaz= ine accept that content? As far as I have read Frank the Protocols of Zion are universally declared by reputable Scholars to be fraudulent. I am enclined = to give weight to knowledge. >>>Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the world<<< Yes, there is always plenty of that on our plate here. But the usual suspec= ts most of the time are Socialist Front Organizations, L. The y promulgate a v= ary large rumor mill by Leftist Radicals, Nationalist, Communist Front organizations, NeoNazi Organizations, and many ot!hers that have distinct R= acial Identity's as Organizations. Anarchists also contribute their 2 cents lol basically they think anything and everything about America is wrong, evil, racist, hateful, corrupt, oppressive, tyrranical, dictatorial, Gluttoness, amoral, hedonistic, greedy, apostate, and perhaps 200 more distinct sentime= nts! Lol! Smoking pot definitely alters the ability to discriminate and produce excellence in judgmental decision making.=20 They hate that America fought to keep people free all over the planet and t= hat they lost most of the time. They hate our Power because it makes them cowar= ds. They hate our Money because they never understood how to make money and don't have any money and can't get money because their countrys are corrupted by rich ruling elites that steal the wealth of the nation and kee= p in Swiss Bank Accounts while the people starve. They hate our econimic power because they mistakenly think we raided their property when what really hap= pened was We paid money for the "Rights" and paid Royaltys to their Rulers or Government and we put up the money to Develop what was sitting there Undeveloped for thousands of years waiting for "anyone" determined enough with enough know how, skilll, money and mind trust of people that co= uld perform the event. Excuse me it was the Europeans who had Kings! They hate = our form of National Goverment because they live under the thumbs of evil and can't escape it. T hey "hate" is mainly what they do for a living and their Leaders love that because they externalize it way from them, and it keeps the ruler ruli= ng. Imagine a world where America had never appeared but all else happened as i= t did what would be here right now for everybody??? ?? It is a pity so many are caught in the web of intentional distortions and redactions of the real history of the world. I wish someday people would ge= t real. I will try to find some time to read the link Frank. Regards, John PS: The American Government just spent $1.741 Trillion to bail out Homeowne= rs and Financial Institution that created the present mess. They didn't even blink. Not one word of uproar over spending they do. ------------ -- Original message ------------ --=20 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" =20 >I didn't care to read Alice Bailey or Annie Besant as they were both away >from H.P.B. in my personal view. Annie Besant was a committed Communist >before she arrived to Theosophy or met Blavatsky. I consider that she knew >an opportunity to use Theosophy to advance those causes. I never admit tha= t >Communists can throw away the tenets they hold dear at the drop of the hat= . Interesting, John. You use against Besant the very same argument as the Nazis. They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates (especially directed against the British Theosophists in Germany, which are said to have been sworn to the City of London and the King of England). Leading Jews and Freemasons like Coudenhove Kalergi had (and still have whe= n you look at the EU policy) an agenda that the Jews are the master race whic= h should rule the Europeans, that race intermix with millions of Africans and Asians, which will they force to immigrate to Europe, will break the will o= f the Europeans so that the Jews can easily rule them: http://balder. org/judea/ Richard-Coudenho ve-Kalergi- Practical- Idealism- Vienna-1925. php Gosh, Coudenhove Kalergi, who spreat his racist and inhuman ideology in a 1923 Vienna Masonic magazine and in several books, which are black listed i= n all European states (except in the national library of Finland or Sweden, I guess), has an agenda similar to the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - which are said to be a forgery (as Jews say). But Coudenhove Kalergi really lived and his books where really printed, although behind the scene there is much done to silence this Jewish pioneer= =20 publications. Why? Could the sheep awake before kosher butchering? His contemporary big H at the same time proclaimed that mankind must not be divided in superior and inferior races and that each race has a worth of it= s own (they called it Erbeigenart, which is the same as swabhava in Tibetan Buddhism) and that the peoples should deal brotherly with each other... And was Besant not rather a Fabian socialist - a kind of social democratism - than a communist? >It is sport today to foment hatred of America so what's new? Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the world since a longer time. Or rather a little gangster clique which is raised in= =20 own-run agngster elite universities, to be trained from their teens on to=20 lie and steel so that they become the next foreign rule leaders. Yet there is no room for anti-americanism in theosophy as the TS was founde= d to end foreign rules over the nations and a theosophist, who has studied hi= s ABC, knows well that the normal American is no more guilty for the crimes o= f his pseudo-government as any other human being, except for the occult connection. Even HPB, when she was forced to US citizenship to get a heritage, was furious about the gross inmorality in USA in her letters to her sister. But the USA of today or HPB's day is not the USA of the founding fathers. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ______________________________________________=20 Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m=E1s inteligente. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ______________________________________________=20 Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m=E1s inteligente. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Sat Aug 02 01:06:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55296 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx06.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.26) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx06.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1KPC86-0006vc-2v for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:06:23 +0200 Message-ID: <003201c8f476$ac6b4a90$15113456@khidr> To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:06:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 4 Questions between Anand and Daniel X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=56IoPIk3KPfvNIJNZS3OcDSKOca5WXSOQ4QmgIa6da-u X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45488 Dear readers My views are: Let me ask a few questions to the ardent promoters of dead-letter confusion... Now the questions are whether Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater was using the word "God" in a healthy manner so that they did'nt keep the beginner Seekers down in narrowminded Christian thought-patterns, while making them believe that "God" was something else than a personal God or a carnalized saviour? And the question is whether Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater was using the word "God" in such a manner so that various readers of their books was mislead to think that their use of the word "God" was disignating the theologian "God" of the Christians and not the "immutable law" or a Deity beyond thoughts mentioned by the Mahatma K. H. and H. P. Blavatsky? As long as TS Adyar and other followers of Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater not are able to answer the above questions positively I will have to consider their activities as dubious. M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: danielhcaldwell To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: 4 Questions between Anand and Daniel Anand, You write: ------------------------------------------------ At least you answer one question definitely. You said according to Blavatsky God exists. Let us not focus on gender issue. Pl. answer the second question and describe nature of God in your words, as you understand what Blavatsky meant. ------------------------------------------------ Anton, I tried to explain that if we want to use the word "God" to mean the Absolute of THE SECRET DOCTRINE, then HPB would probably approve of that equation. But I really hesitate to use the word "God" because it conjures up so many different images and definitions and emotions. In one sense, "God" could refer to the "inner God" --- the Atma- Buddhi-Manas or the Atma-Buddhi Monad or just the Atman which might be defined in turn as the Universal Spirit or Universal Self or Trancendental Self or one could say that the word "God" could also refer to one of the Planetary Spirits. See THE SECRET DOCTRINE index under "Planetary Spirit", Dhyan Chohan, etc. But I think one could use the word "God" when referring to the following 3 definitions: DEFINITION ONE BY H.P. BLAVATSKY -------------------------------------------------- ... [an] Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE on which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the power of human conception and could only be dwarfed by any human expression or similitude. It is beyond the range and reach of thought -- in the words of Mandukya, "unthinkable and unspeakable." To render these ideas clearer to the general reader, let him set out with the postulate that there is one absolute Reality which antecedes all manifested, conditioned, being. This Infinite and Eternal Cause -- dimly formulated in the "Unconscious" and "Unknowable" of current European philosophy -- is the rootless root of "all that was, is, or ever shall be." It is of course devoid of all attributes and is essentially without any relation to manifested, finite Being. It is "Be-ness" rather than Being (in Sanskrit, Sat), and is beyond all thought or speculation. ------------------------------------------------- DEFINITION TWO BY MASTER KH ------------------------------------------------- "..Pantheistic we may be called -- agnostic NEVER. If people are willing to accept and to regard as God our ONE LIFE immutable and unconscious in its eternity they may do so and thus keep to one more gigantic misnomer. But then they will have to say with Spinoza that there is not and that we cannot conceive any other substance than God; or as that famous and unfortunate philosopher says in his fourteenth proposition, "praeter Deum nulla dari neque concepi potest substantia" -- and thus become Pantheists...." ------------------------------------------------- DEFINITION THREE BY MASTER KH ------------------------------------------------- ". . We are not Adwaitees, but our teaching respecting the one life is identical with that of the Adwaitee with regard to Parabrahm. And no true philosophically trained Adwaitee will ever call himself an agnostic, for he knows that he is Parabrahm and identical in every respect with the universal life and soul -- the macrocosm is the microcosm and he knows that there is no God apart from himself, no creator as no being...." ------------------------------------------------- I don't think I need to rewrite into my own words what is given in these 3 definitions. In fact, I would feel I would have to write a mini-article and I don't have the hours right now to work on composing something of that size. Read for yourself some of the entries in HPB's SECRET DOCTRINE and THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY and try to understand it for yourself. BUT if you have questions about parts of HPB's or KH's definitions GIVEN ABOVE, I will try to give you my 2 cents about the part you don't understand or would like more clarification on. I've tried to give you various material in my several previous postings on the subject. Now I'm hoping you will try to answer at least 3 of the 4 questions that I posted at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/45464 I tried to answer them in that posting. Daniel http://hpb.cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From AnandGholap@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 02:04:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48913 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 09:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 09:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 09:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 09:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 09:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 09:04:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:04:35 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 121.246.207.215 From: "Anand" Subject: Online Dynaneshwari (King of All Mystic Works as called by HPB) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=u8mfE1wSETEiOqfXVclN_7Uqm5E2Z016OcYWb6jctHdVapuQhOMEwSg X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45489 http://www.hinduweb.org/home/dharma_and_philosophy/vshirvaikar/Dnyaneshwari= /Dnch1pg1.html Dynaneshwari was called as king of all mystic works by Blavatsky. On above link you can read it.=20 Best Anand Gholap From AnandGholap@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 02:07:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82697 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 09:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 09:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 09:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 09:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 09:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 09:07:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:07:44 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 121.246.207.215 From: "Anand" Subject: Re: Online Dynaneshwari (King of All Mystic Works as called by HPB) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=M-iFqJp0lXwZkcidoOmOwZKSOqNjDgQ1N2mILuW0nBR9wG6UVF58wck X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45490 http://www.hinduweb.org/home/dharma_and_philosophy/vshirvaikar/Dnyaneshwari= /PROLOGUE.html You can read prologue at this address. --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" wrote: > > http://www.hinduweb.org/home/dharma_and_philosophy/vshirvaikar/Dnyaneshwari= /Dnch1pg1.html >=20 > Dynaneshwari was called as king of all mystic works by Blavatsky. On > above link you can read it.=20 >=20 > Best > Anand Gholap > From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Sat Aug 02 02:46:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26608 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 09:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 09:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx06.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.26) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 09:46:02 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx06.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1KPDgX-0003L3-2n for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:46:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c8f484$98b75030$15113456@khidr> To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:46:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World Online Dynaneshwari (King of All Mystic Works as called by HPB) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=pVYSwzgekIhRb16Vj5PQTwevgKopD9c2r0-ufIzyUTzG X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45491 Yes. But H. P. Blavatsky did not equate "mystic works" with the phrase "theosophical works". Try read the Key to Theosophy and other writings from H. P. Blavatsky. M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: Anand To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Theos-World Online Dynaneshwari (King of All Mystic Works as called by HPB) http://www.hinduweb.org/home/dharma_and_philosophy/vshirvaikar/Dnyaneshwari/Dnch1pg1.html Dynaneshwari was called as king of all mystic works by Blavatsky. On above link you can read it. Best Anand Gholap [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From raquel_rpj@yahoo.es Sat Aug 02 07:49:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: raquel_rpj@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15859 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 14:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 14:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web26504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.41) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 14:49:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30164 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 14:49:47 -0000 X-Received: from [77.209.177.139] by web26504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:49:47 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:49:47 +0000 (GMT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <612EA86B516F41158660114EB97F3E7F@bie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <240151.29849.qm@web26504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Raquel_Rodr=EDguez?= Reply-To: raquel_rpj@yahoo.es Subject: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=319886574; y=g6xSInNP_wfaWwQF-NHu5E6dfyVSA2Z3eDg7rGoyKtHI8-H9LA X-Yahoo-Profile: raquel_rpj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45492 Frank you migth find this movie very interesting. The director himself=A0had to admit=A0on a radio interview, on national rad= io 3 at 94.5=A0having sometimes a strong desire to=A0run away from this guy= and vomit. Paul Hafner, an ex-officer in the Waffen SS, who now lives in Spain since 1= 945 and found political protection, first by Franco regime and later by a s= tate that does not penalty the negation of the Holocaust. http://www.hafnersparadise.com/index_eng.htm I recommend to click on the Director statements =A0 Partaking as a soldier in the bombing of Guernica (which inspires the famou= s painting of Picasso, El Guernica) during the Spanish civil war=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_%28painting%29 he talks about the affair, laughing like evoking a fond remembrance. One really wanders what has happened to human mind to get to this twisted p= oint --- El jue, 31/7/08, Frank Reitemeyer escribi=F3: De: Frank Reitemeyer Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word m= ade FLESH! Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Fecha: jueves, 31 julio, 2008 1:28 >I didn't care to read Alice Bailey or Annie Besant as they were both away >from H.P.B. in my personal view. Annie Besant was a committed Communist >before she arrived to Theosophy or met Blavatsky. I consider that she knew >an opportunity to use Theosophy to advance those causes. I never admit tha= t >Communists can throw away the tenets they hold dear at the drop of the hat= . Interesting, John. You use against Besant the very same argument as the Nazis. They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates (especially directed against the British Theosophists in Germany, which are said to have been sworn to the City of London and the King of England). Leading Jews and Freemasons like Coudenhove Kalergi had (and still have whe= n you look at the EU policy) an agenda that the Jews are the master race whic= h should rule the Europeans, that race intermix with millions of Africans and Asians, which will they force to immigrate to Europe, will break the will o= f the Europeans so that the Jews can easily rule them: http://balder. org/judea/ Richard-Coudenho ve-Kalergi- Practical- Idealism-= Vienna-1925. php Gosh, Coudenhove Kalergi, who spreat his racist and inhuman ideology in a 1923 Vienna Masonic magazine and in several books, which are black listed i= n all European states (except in the national library of Finland or Sweden, I guess), has an agenda similar to the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - which are said to be a forgery (as Jews say). But Coudenhove Kalergi really lived and his books where really printed, although behind the scene there is much done to silence this Jewish pioneer= =20 publications. Why? Could the sheep awake before kosher butchering? His contemporary big H at the same time proclaimed that mankind must not be divided in superior and inferior races and that each race has a worth of it= s own (they called it Erbeigenart, which is the same as swabhava in Tibetan Buddhism) and that the peoples should deal brotherly with each other... And was Besant not rather a Fabian socialist - a kind of social democratism - than a communist? >It is sport today to foment hatred of America so what's new? Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the world since a longer time. Or rather a little gangster clique which is raised in= =20 own-run agngster elite universities, to be trained from their teens on to=20 lie and steel so that they become the next foreign rule leaders. Yet there is no room for anti-americanism in theosophy as the TS was founde= d to end foreign rules over the nations and a theosophist, who has studied hi= s ABC, knows well that the normal American is no more guilty for the crimes o= f his pseudo-government as any other human being, except for the occult connection. Even HPB, when she was forced to US citizenship to get a heritage, was furious about the gross inmorality in USA in her letters to her sister. But the USA of today or HPB's day is not the USA of the founding fathers. Frank =20 =BFNo te gusta tu direcci=F3n de correo? Consigue una que te guste de verdad - millones de direcciones de correo dis= ponibles en Yahoo! http://es.docs.yahoo.com/mail/nueva_direccion.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Sat Aug 02 10:08:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16117 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 17:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 17:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.48) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xSxy1Z00B0EPchoA5V8lkh; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:08:45 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter13.comcast.net ([204.127.225.113]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xV8l1Z0032TRPFQ8MV8l1p; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:08:45 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Jm6l7ExcusA:10 a=T5w-rZuF-LIA:10 a=qPl3n5gmAAAA:8 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=QmtFefaCkWxnb3ib6BkA:9 a=f21e3fXj7H8YS18VMN0A:7 a=LMJwe_Fu-_KtEP9wYmms52xWpPYA:4 a=9J5VuaLb3qoA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=QJAqVYndk0IA:10 a=Q8fZf9hHAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=MYYYOrFKcKtMgiRhjo8A:9 a=dr6807yCT-kCU5qNmcQA:7 a=J9YkxluIctExieDXtw3sLd4SIbIA:4 a=l1KeHmMDpNIA:10 a=gSKzzPPS7FUA:10 a=GBWxRlrRKs8A:10 a=syfC3iHSy1IA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [76.114.15.44] by amailcenter13.comcast.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:08:44 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:08:44 +0000 Message-Id: <080220081708.11154.4894949C0008269D00002B922214756402CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word made FLESH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=QNBOAzGfeqzL_fUwnyNSYuMV1LD7ZyFaD2NGad_Kg7m9Zt9nQsS6QWtpQP-S_r8t X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45493 Raquel, Thanks, I have never heard of this Movie, I watched the Trailer and read= the Directors Statement. It looks to be a revealing production. I am going= send the Link around to friends. You know someone mentioned "Brainwashing"= recently here, this Movie I think treats of that subject on many Dynamics = from the individual, families, groups, regions, Nations, and the World. Int= imate to this are the dialectical structure of the Socratic system that exi= stentially describes the human interaction: Oneself to Oneself Oneself to Others Others to Others Others to Oneself=20 =20=20=20=20 Watching the Fabric of the Nazi Brainwashing along the Dynamics you see it = infect and warp them all in some form or another. Assessing the process by = the use of the above is helpful in my opinion.=20 Thanks=20 Regards, John -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: Raquel Rodr=EDguez =20 Frank you migth find this movie very interesting. The director himself had to admit on a radio interview, on national radio 3= at 94.5 having sometimes a strong desire to run away from this guy and vom= it. Paul Hafner, an ex-officer in the Waffen SS, who now lives in Spain since 1= 945 and found political protection, first by Franco regime and later by a s= tate that does not penalty the negation of the Holocaust. http://www.hafnersparadise.com/index_eng.htm I recommend to click on the Director statements Partaking as a soldier in the bombing of Guernica (which inspires the famou= s painting of Picasso, El Guernica) during the Spanish civil war=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_%28painting%29 he talks about the affair, laughing like evoking a fond remembrance. One really wanders what has happened to human mind to get to this twisted p= oint --- El jue, 31/7/08, Frank Reitemeyer escribi=F3: De: Frank Reitemeyer Asunto: Re: Theos-World Alice A. Bailey and The United Nations - The Word m= ade FLESH! Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Fecha: jueves, 31 julio, 2008 1:28 >I didn't care to read Alice Bailey or Annie Besant as they were both away >from H.P.B. in my personal view. Annie Besant was a committed Communist >before she arrived to Theosophy or met Blavatsky. I consider that she knew >an opportunity to use Theosophy to advance those causes. I never admit tha= t >Communists can throw away the tenets they hold dear at the drop of the hat= . Interesting, John. You use against Besant the very same argument as the Nazis. They also claimed that Theosophists teach communism, a Masonic One World ideology to destroy the natural hierachies of peoples and nations and races and teach a race intermix as the Marxist Internationale propagates (especially directed against the British Theosophists in Germany, which are said to have been sworn to the City of London and the King of England). Leading Jews and Freemasons like Coudenhove Kalergi had (and still have whe= n you look at the EU policy) an agenda that the Jews are the master race whic= h should rule the Europeans, that race intermix with millions of Africans and Asians, which will they force to immigrate to Europe, will break the will o= f the Europeans so that the Jews can easily rule them: http://balder. org/judea/ Richard-Coudenho ve-Kalergi- Practical- Idealism-= Vienna-1925. php Gosh, Coudenhove Kalergi, who spreat his racist and inhuman ideology in a 1923 Vienna Masonic magazine and in several books, which are black listed i= n all European states (except in the national library of Finland or Sweden, I guess), has an agenda similar to the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion - which are said to be a forgery (as Jews say). But Coudenhove Kalergi really lived and his books where really printed, although behind the scene there is much done to silence this Jewish pioneer= =20 publications. Why? Could the sheep awake before kosher butchering? His contemporary big H at the same time proclaimed that mankind must not be divided in superior and inferior races and that each race has a worth of it= s own (they called it Erbeigenart, which is the same as swabhava in Tibetan Buddhism) and that the peoples should deal brotherly with each other... And was Besant not rather a Fabian socialist - a kind of social democratism - than a communist? >It is sport today to foment hatred of America so what's new? Many would say it it rather "America" [USA] which bring hatred to the world since a longer time. Or rather a little gangster clique which is raised in= =20 own-run agngster elite universities, to be trained from their teens on to=20 lie and steel so that they become the next foreign rule leaders. Yet there is no room for anti-americanism in theosophy as the TS was founde= d to end foreign rules over the nations and a theosophist, who has studied hi= s ABC, knows well that the normal American is no more guilty for the crimes o= f his pseudo-government as any other human being, except for the occult connection. Even HPB, when she was forced to US citizenship to get a heritage, was furious about the gross inmorality in USA in her letters to her sister. But the USA of today or HPB's day is not the USA of the founding fathers. Frank =BFNo te gusta tu direcci=F3n de correo? Consigue una que te guste de verdad - millones de direcciones de correo dis= ponibles en Yahoo! http://es.docs.yahoo.com/mail/nueva_direccion.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From AnandGholap@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 11:40:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81983 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 18:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 18:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 18:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 18:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 18:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 18:40:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:40:39 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 121.246.207.215 From: "Anand" Subject: Re: Blavatsky's mistake about God X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=AfjpnZnEkDL_f9y16CShUGkXbuV8CCMOPygSja4uk7pOKuJBMh48ohY X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45494 Hello Daniel, --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" wrote: -------------------------- >=20 > I tried to explain that if we want to use the word "God" > to mean the Absolute of THE SECRET DOCTRINE, then HPB would probably=20 > approve of that equation.=20=20 Is according to HPB God and Absolute same ?=20 > But I really hesitate to use the word "God" because it conjures up so=20 > many different images and definitions and emotions. Does that mean Blavatsky and Masters did not use God in one sense and used it to give different meanings in different places ? It appears that three definitions of God which you gave, don't convey the same meaning. Does that mean Blavatsky and Masters had different understanding of the word God ? Best Anand Gholap > In one sense, "God" could refer to the "inner God" --- the Atma- > Buddhi-Manas or the Atma-Buddhi Monad or just the Atman which might=20 > be defined in turn as the Universal Spirit or Universal Self or=20 > Trancendental Self or one could say that the word "God" could also=20 > refer to one of the Planetary Spirits. See THE SECRET DOCTRINE index=20 > under "Planetary Spirit", Dhyan Chohan, etc. >=20 > But I think one could use the word "God" when referring to the=20 > following 3 definitions: >=20 > DEFINITION ONE BY H.P. BLAVATSKY > -------------------------------------------------- > ... [an] Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE on > which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the power of > human conception and could only be dwarfed by any human expression or > similitude. It is beyond the range and reach of thought -- in the > words of Mandukya, "unthinkable and unspeakable." >=20 > To render these ideas clearer to the general reader, let him set out > with the postulate that there is one absolute Reality which antecedes > all manifested, conditioned, being. This Infinite and Eternal Cause -- > dimly formulated in the "Unconscious" and "Unknowable" of current > European philosophy -- is the rootless root of "all that was, is, or > ever shall be." It is of course devoid of all attributes and is > essentially without any relation to manifested, finite Being. It > is "Be-ness" rather than Being (in Sanskrit, Sat), and is beyond all > thought or speculation. > ------------------------------------------------- >=20 > DEFINITION TWO BY MASTER KH > ------------------------------------------------- > "=85.Pan