From dzyan@online.de Tue Jul 01 03:54:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96294 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 10:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 10:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 10:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db83ecd.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.62.205]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1KDdVT3rXN-0006NZ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:54:45 +0200 Message-ID: <007601c8db68$e108c830$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: <286753.89004.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:40:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+lBJUtrS9EIo7MkYKpTQjTj2IbSFITPeY+npe sM+BSLmWzDXTeiEuVsAYoMSDEDQuglGOjxDRmLEjd2mLAUExxA s7Zloi7gDaE+xKcg92aye/heYMlYKtC X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Jesuits exhibit Madame Blavatsky X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=JARf24ppek2lty2LYiQLuE8eKCpREqGq0uQLXvVmbyPD_yEO2WVD57Tiqg X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45034 Cass, therefore I made an English summary. Me thought the news would be neverthereless interesting for Blavatsky stude= nts in other countries. Frank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cass Silva=20 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Jesuits exhibit Madame Blavatsky Frank, it's in German. I can't read it Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Frank Reitemeyer To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 4:20:23 AM Subject: Theos-World Jesuits exhibit Madame Blavatsky This is a summery of a newspaper article of today: The chief of the Frankfurt, Germany, art societey, Chus Martinez, has launc= hed a chapel, which was sanctified officially by Jesuits, to have a room fo= r own thoughts. She has now opened an art exhibition in Frankfurt, named "The Great Transfo= rmation - Art and Tactical Magic", which will be held from June, 7th up to = Sept. 7th. In this exhibition artist Goshka Macuga presents "tactical magician" Madame= Blavatsky as a fiberglass figure, which hovers between two chairs. Question: Does anyone know if and to what story or report this artist is re= fering?? "Tactical Magic" is described on the homepage of the Society as a process t= o go "beyond the spiritual"! newspaper article: http://www.rhein- main.net: 80/sixcms/ list.php? page=3Dfnp2_ news_article&= sv%5Bid%5D=3D 4930675 Frankfurt art society: http://www.fkv. de/frontend/ startseite. php exhibition: http://www.fkv. de/frontend/ ausstellungen. php >From September, 19th 2008 up to January, 11th 2009 the exhibition which be = held at MARCO (Museo de Arte Contempor=C3=A1nea de Vigo, Spain): http://www.fkv. de/frontend/ ausstellungen_ detail.php? id=3D271 The exhibition was sponsoered by: American Center Foundation Hessische Kultur Stiftung bureau des artes plastiques Cultures France Ambassade de France Danish Arts Council http://www.fkv. de/frontend/ ausstellungen_ detail.php? id=3D271 There is no information about a catalogue, nevertheless I'll phone them for= archives purposes. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzyan@online.de Tue Jul 01 03:54:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15924 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 10:54:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 10:54:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 10:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db83ecd.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.62.205]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1KDdVV1JRa-0006NZ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:54:46 +0200 Message-ID: <007701c8db68$e1f264e0$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: <517212.65223.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:43:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/8tsFXe2hiJ2yTU+iryKTkllpmF/OL05O/JJz uLpavXl/UreSAYEUrHpAXEL3i/r4xi1hWj6UzlYg8vygtnP0r1 LoA6FvjuvQ9b/vORaGWvikNFhXumG8b X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Alkaline in Martian soil X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=kepLuiJ7xpSgkOLYsryMCTkm-kKqCvwp8brAywTPSV95zR8nUepXS5wGrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45035 Hi Cass, yes, I have it, too, that real tantra has nothing to do with ordinary sexual realtionsships as OTO people and the like think. But that is beyond of us (you, me, Mabel Collins, Leadbeater). Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:22 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Alkaline in Martian soil Hi Frank, I recall years ago being told that the sexual energy can be transubstantiated into mental energy and can be directed to our mental and/or emotional bodies. I believe this is true Tantrism, and no body fluids must leave the body. It is practiced alone, not in pairs (as the new agers think). I haven't been successful, perhaps one has to be at a certain level??? Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Frank Reitemeyer To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 30 June, 2008 10:04:19 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Alkaline in Martian soil I have found some paragraphs in the theosophical literature, which deals with the sex problem: 1. "If the man be celibate, the reproductive germ or stimulated life-atom is unable to pursue its course of growth and is used to build up and strengthen merely the body of the man in the manner briefly described. In such case the Ray having its purpose thwarted is almost immediately withdrawn and seeks elsewhere to follow its course through another germinal growth." http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /et/et-30. htm 2. http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /et/et-21. htm 3. http://ourworld. compuserve. com/homepages/ dp5/sex3. htm 4. http://ourworld. compuserve. com/homepages/ dp5/sexquo. htm Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Morten Nymann Olesen To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Alkaline in Martian soil May I ask you Zaitzev: So how do you learn how to learn? Is it through ignorance about sexual matters within The Theposophical Soceity? M. sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: Konstantin Zaitzev To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Theos-World Alkaline in Martian soil --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" wrote: > I thought I once heard something about Alkaline batteries or > something like that. Alkaline is any substance opposite to acid. The reaction can be either acidic, neutral or alkaline, and ph is a parameter to measure it. Do they not study chemistry in the schools of your country? It seems that the sexual issues have more important place in the curriculum. What interests me more, why they search for life on the poles of Mars? Would they find much life on the poles of Earth? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Tue Jul 01 05:34:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93512 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 12:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 12:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 12:33:58 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so355594ana.95 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:33:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.215.14 with SMTP id n14mr5632594ang.148.1214915637941; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:33:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.42.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:33:57 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, theos-l MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mkr777@gmail.com Subject: TS - Elections - Results??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=ZGpM35V1XcXWVU1MYKwD4qo7zBpbWr0LUGJduzLrh5vjcN1a6Ow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45036 The election rule says: ===== "Within three days of the closing date of voting, the candidate who has received the largest number of votes shall be declared elected President and shall assume office not later than thirty days thereafter." ===== The closing date was June 28. So three days means by May 1, (today) the result should be announced. The rule also does not say that the election committee should take three full days before declaring the result. Since all it takes is adding about 100 numbers - 2 candidates multiplied by the number of sections/agencies -- should not take that much time, unless other issues are being examined by the committee, due to the unusual nature of this years' electioneering. Any rumors? mkr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Tue Jul 01 05:36:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62777 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 12:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 12:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.242) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 12:36:47 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d40so482528and.126 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.205.13 with SMTP id c13mr5714469ang.47.1214915806605; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.42.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:36:46 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, theos-l MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mkr777@gmail.com Subject: TS - Elections - Results??? (corrected) (Due today?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=WoiwCVf7ieLa3_HXQPqoe4abQSDUXs3gj8JJtk8sB2ptM5ac6aE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45037 The election rule says: ===== "Within three days of the closing date of voting, the candidate who has received the largest number of votes shall be declared elected President and shall assume office not later than thirty days thereafter." ===== The closing date was June 28. So three days means by JULY 1, (today) the result should be announced. The rule also does not say that the election committee should take three full days before declaring the result. Since all it takes is adding about 100 numbers - 2 candidates multiplied by the number of sections/agencies -- should not take that much time, unless other issues are being examined by the committee, due to the unusual nature of this years' electioneering. Any rumors? mkr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Tue Jul 01 08:41:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82025 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 15:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 15:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx05.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.25) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 15:41:14 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx05.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1KDhyj-0007El-1u for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:41:13 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c8db90$ec6d9fc0$15113456@khidr> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:41:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World TS - Elections - Results??? (corrected) (Due today?) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=5tjqE6PPCv6YKExyL1lEF9Acfz1sjfCVC1Eo0_di-hCB X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45038 I feel I have the right to ask politely: Is it possible for prepubertal boys and girls to have their say in all this? I wonder what the result would be if all the young kids went before the election instead? M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: mkr777@gmail.com To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ; theos-l Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Theos-World TS - Elections - Results??? (corrected) (Due today?) The election rule says: ===== "Within three days of the closing date of voting, the candidate who has received the largest number of votes shall be declared elected President and shall assume office not later than thirty days thereafter." ===== The closing date was June 28. So three days means by JULY 1, (today) the result should be announced. The rule also does not say that the election committee should take three full days before declaring the result. Since all it takes is adding about 100 numbers - 2 candidates multiplied by the number of sections/agencies -- should not take that much time, unless other issues are being examined by the committee, due to the unusual nature of this years' electioneering. Any rumors? mkr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 12:24:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75288 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 19:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 19:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 19:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 19:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 19:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 19:24:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:24:25 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005d01c8db37$5703f320$15113456@khidr> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.139.148.11 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Re: the Martian's sexual problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=iBjU_TnCqVyCeetSb4XB7Rk1QLOx4oV1oTr5Lz11rS436-PT X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45039 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" wrote: > Where on Earth did you get that idea from? It's easy to understand. It will take many years for NASA to start farms and villages on Mars. > ----- Original Message -----=20 > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" > wrote: >=20 >> As long as NASA haven't seen any farms and villages on Mars I feel >> I have every right to ask my questions. > Then you're doomed to think about sex all the rest of your life. From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Tue Jul 01 15:12:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15056 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 22:11:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 22:11:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.40) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 22:11:58 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kgJL1Z00716AWCUA40Z800; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:11:58 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter24.comcast.net ([204.127.225.124]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kmBx1Z00P2hfmyL8SmBx5Z; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:11:58 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sOlHCwjxPqEA:10 a=Ebls7PATTyoA:10 a=G/L4PReStsXmwMahln8APw==:17 a=1Mty2qJYZj8MhmcByJUA:9 a=Um-EPd97OwjmsyEliagA:7 a=DPLurEwRqRzLZrxjHtNz2wS3nHwA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=znC20rr7JRgA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=hQupSUizJ-qDfK-buBIA:7 a=2JNS1YDjpRF7fWUEbpMx1r72X2wA:4 a=l1KeHmMDpNIA:10 a=jeN6Q-uZn2oA:10 a=syfC3iHSy1IA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [67.166.129.157] by amailcenter24.comcast.net; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:11:55 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:11:55 +0000 Message-Id: <070120082211.22428.486AABAB000C1A680000579C2215568884CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=fejbS6Fk71KvqVWr5oQI8HNzLh2BCmiCeQnWTJe3b-b2mdAoByniAorRwzTlCjti X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45040 Konstantin Just as a measure of "rate of change" when I was a young boy at the end of WWII there were large presentations in well known Magazines such as Colliers, Life. And some others that featured very interesting Pictorials showing a Colony on Mars and all the process of the Craft that would transport the modules and other important engineering artifacts that were envisioned to be necessary for both Lunar and Martian Missions from Earth. At the age I was thrilled by the Artists depictions and it seemed as if it was going to be soon, maybe a few decades and we would be there. But here were are today, it is still a dreamed only partly fulfilled on the side of robotics mostly but men did stand on the Moon. We, the world will journey to other worlds and expand the mind of all mankind in doing so. In the meantime the years pass and new generations will carry forward our starry legacy. Now the gathering momentum spreads like spring growth and Nations race and announce new Missions to explore and extend consciousness and knowledge to ever higher realms.I is becoming a "synergetic" endeavor that crosses all boundaries of the Nations. Regards, John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" wrote: > Where on Earth did you get that idea from? It's easy to understand. It will take many years for NASA to start farms and villages on Mars. > ----- Original Message ----- > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" > wrote: > >> As long as NASA haven't seen any farms and villages on Mars I feel >> I have every right to ask my questions. > Then you're doomed to think about sex all the rest of your life. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 17:24:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36100 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 00:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 00:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.110) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 00:24:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26065 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2008 00:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:24:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:24:41 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <200859.25530.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=-2i_ftunr1R81Y9iSmhHedNduMGczwVTh9-WqS2H8cW45RMpng X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45041 Really Morten, Leadbeater=C2=A0is a continuing thread with you and we have been over it a = thousand times.=C2=A0 Continually mentioning his name and actions brings hi= m back from the dead and into our consciousness, and quite frankly my consc= iousness is better spent elsewhere.=C2=A0 Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Morten Nymann Olesen To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 5:50:11 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems I find you to be ignoring the more serious issue here. It was you who inserted thoughts about sexuality in a thread I started abou= t Mars. So who is the one having a problem. The one deflecting a serious question, = which aught not to be taken too lightly? - - - - - As long as NASA haven't seen any farms and villages on Mars I feel I have e= very right to ask my questions. M. Sufilight ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Konstantin Zaitzev=20 To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" wrote: > So are we to understand it like this, that C. W. Leadbeater's > practices and views upon childrens sexual problems still are being If you are thinking about sex even when we discuss alkaline and Mars, then it is not Leadbeater who has greatest sexual problems in TS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From prmoliveira@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 21:11:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: prmoliveira@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78627 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 04:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 04:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 04:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 04:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 04:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 04:11:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:11:05 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 220.233.74.106 From: "prmoliveira" Subject: Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39079617; y=y2BCeXdzmxH5Fiy_Ytq8ESqyiPbbowB9GluPHqD2XhBpsx478Cs X-Yahoo-Profile: prmoliveira X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45042 (Below is the text of the email message sent by Mary Anderson,=20 International Secretary of the TS (Adyar) conveying the results of=20 the 2008 Presidential Election. PO) PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2008 Under the authority of the Executive Committee of the Theosophical=20 Society, I hereby certify that, in accordance with Rule 10 of the=20 Rules and Regulations of the said Society, the Election Committee=20 appointed by the Executive Committee counted the results of the=20 voting communicated to the International Secretary by the General=20 Secretaries of National Societies and Sections, Regional and=20 Organizing Secretaries, Presidential Representatives and the votes of=20 Lodges and Fellows-at-Large attached to Headquarters. The Executive=20 Committee checked them and declared the result as follows: Dr John Algeo 4,323 votes Mrs Radha Burnier 8,560 votes=20 = =20 = =20 Mary Anderson = =20 International Secretary *** In accordance with the requirements of Rule 10 of the Rules and=20 Regulations of The Theosophical Society and the results of the voting=20 shown above, which have been checked by the Election Committee and=20 the Executive Committee, Mrs Radha Burnier is hereby declared re- elected President of the Theosophical Society for a further term of=20 office from 17 July 2008. Mary Anderson = =20 International Secretary 1 July 2008 From MarieMAJ41@aol.com Tue Jul 01 21:12:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MarieMAJ41@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33973 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 04:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 04:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 04:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from MarieMAJ41@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bf3.3505984b (37163); Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:12:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-da21 (webmail-da21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.238]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA042-912b486b003f8a; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:12:47 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, theosophy_@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:12:47 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.7.215.159 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37563-STANDARD X-Received: from 24.7.215.159 by webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:12:47 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAAA110507022B-978-3CA@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MarieMAJ41@aol.com Subject: new blog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90655958; y=NH0gZJgNjCFEZUsF_1B6E9iNOsoCG9HX3YMBOMKvsguqxEKk_Cs X-Yahoo-Profile: olgamarie41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45043 I just discovered a new blog hosted by Chris Richardson, from TSA in America. Check it out. http://theosophist.wordpress.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MarieMAJ41@aol.com Tue Jul 01 21:15:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MarieMAJ41@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83809 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 04:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 04:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 04:15:05 -0000 X-Received: from MarieMAJ41@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cd4.30a2ee08 (37037) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:14:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-da21 (webmail-da21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.238]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB027-90ad486b00bf96; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:14:55 -0400 References: To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:14:55 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 24.7.215.159 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37563-STANDARD X-Received: from 24.7.215.159 by webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 00:14:55 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAAA115151A22B-978-3D8@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MarieMAJ41@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90655958; y=-2Zad7upmEsKhbfj_qSiBppY625xfWn3-1UCD-0Ov-HseYorxEY X-Yahoo-Profile: olgamarie41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45044 Amen and Halleluiah. May she preside in peace. -----Original Message----- From: prmoliveira To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:11 pm Subject: Theos-World Election results (Below is the text of the email message sent by Mary Anderson, International Secretary of the TS (Adyar) conveying the results of the 2008 Presidential Election. PO) PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2008 Under the authority of the Executive Committee of the Theosophical Society, I hereby certify that, in accordance with Rule 10 of the Rules and Regulations of the said Society, the Election Committee appointed by the Executive Committee counted the results of the voting communicated to the International Secretary by the General Secretaries of National Societies and Sections, Regional and Organizing Secretaries, Presidential Representatives and the votes of Lodges and Fellows-at-Large attached to Headquarters. The Executive Committee checked them and declared the result as follows: Dr John Algeo 4,323 votes Mrs Radha Burnier 8,560 votes Mary Anderson International Secretary *** In accordance with the requirements of Rule 10 of the Rules and Regulations of The Theosophical Society and the results of the voting shown above, which have been checked by the Election Committee and the Executive Committee, Mrs Radha Burnier is hereby declared re- elected President of the Theosophical Society for a further term of office from 17 July 2008. Mary Anderson International Secretary 1 July 2008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Tue Jul 01 21:43:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41555 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 04:43:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 04:43:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 04:43:49 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c16so48487ana.60 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:43:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.41.1 with SMTP id o1mr6942838ano.10.1214973819833; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.42.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:43:39 -0500 To: "M K Ramadoss" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mkr777@gmail.com Subject: TS - Elections - Thank You Message X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=By26ugIwgwBFaWjwk4V3AcmS0-SMTnAmzYko1VVxlzf4j6rODk8 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45045 Dear Brother/Sister: This is the first International Presidential election in which Internet played a very key role. It provided an inexpensive and efficient tool to communicate information world-wide, instantaneously. We should expect it to play more intense and important role in the future. One of our Founders said "Ingratitude is not one of our vices" and it is ou= r duty to recognize the key contributions of some theosophists which played a vital role in our discussions on the Internet. Internet Mail-lists: Unmoderated (uncensored) lists setup by dedicated theosophists, not connected with or controlled by any theosophical organization: 1. =96 Set up by Eldon Tucker 2. =96 First incarnation set up by John E Mead (Mother Theosophical maillist) and second and current incarnation by Bill Meredith. 3. "t_s_theosophist" =96 Set up by William (Bill ) Delahunt. Website: Anton Rozman's "Theosophy in Slovenia" website had a webpage on TS Election with links to election related messages and other material was the brillian= t brain-child of Anton and was quickly and timely executed and was of great help to anyone following the electioneering. http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm Last but not the least, thanks to all brothers and sisters world-over for their support and encouragement which kept the election discussions going o= n the Internet. M K Ramadoss, Member, San Antonio, Texas, USA THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH For quick access to all the important messages on TS International Election= , go to: http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm [TS0701] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Tue Jul 01 22:01:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35175 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 05:01:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 05:01:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.226) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 05:01:43 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so235560rvb.7 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:01:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.27.14 with SMTP id a14mr6579652waa.209.1214974903357; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:01:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.88.17 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:01:43 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mkr777@gmail.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=UeKY-Ic1mS7SJWgKy53GLNv8YAcTc5vmekCDhFqIyW4IE-3hBcM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45046 Thanks Pedro for taking the initiative to distribute the election results on theos-talk. Also this is a land mark in that it is the first time ever that the election results (International or National) was broadcast over Internet as against the normal method of publishing it in the national TS magazines several weeks after the results are announced, by which time it has already become old news. I think that it would be a good idea for the International Secretary to put out a news release to news media and all Internet media so that information can be disseminated directly and very quickly without going thru the proper channel. Even important court decisions are released in this manner in the United States for the past several years. Thanks again. mkr On 7/1/08, prmoliveira wrote: > > (Below is the text of the email message sent by Mary Anderson, > International Secretary of the TS (Adyar) conveying the results of > the 2008 Presidential Election. PO) > > PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2008 > > Under the authority of the Executive Committee of the Theosophical > Society, I hereby certify that, in accordance with Rule 10 of the > Rules and Regulations of the said Society, the Election Committee > appointed by the Executive Committee counted the results of the > voting communicated to the International Secretary by the General > Secretaries of National Societies and Sections, Regional and > Organizing Secretaries, Presidential Representatives and the votes of > Lodges and Fellows-at-Large attached to Headquarters. The Executive > Committee checked them and declared the result as follows: > > Dr John Algeo 4,323 votes > > Mrs Radha Burnier 8,560 votes > > > Mary Anderson > International Secretary > > *** > > In accordance with the requirements of Rule 10 of the Rules and > Regulations of The Theosophical Society and the results of the voting > shown above, which have been checked by the Election Committee and > the Executive Committee, Mrs Radha Burnier is hereby declared re- > elected President of the Theosophical Society for a further term of > office from 17 July 2008. > > Mary Anderson > International Secretary > > 1 July 2008 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Tue Jul 01 22:16:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31028 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 05:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 05:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 05:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cf0.3935457d (34910) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:16:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from FWM-D04 (fwm-d04.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.196]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA027-885e486b0f28349; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:16:24 -0400 References: <200859.25530.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:16:24 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 76.229.170.51 In-Reply-To: <200859.25530.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37563-STANDARD X-Received: from 76.229.170.51 by FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.196) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:16:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAAA19E808D38F-82C-572@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=SKy340RugKg4vmviFML1XL6A1zQQ9rCvobad4TGXzxZd12SjDw X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45047 And Leadbeater, sitting merrily on the astral plane surrounded by astral choirboys, is feeding on all of it. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 7:24 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems Really Morten, Leadbeater?is a continuing thread with you and we have been over it a thousand times.? Continually mentioning his name and actions brings him back from the dead and into our consciousness, and quite frankly my consciousness is better spent elsewhere.? Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Morten Nymann Olesen To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 5:50:11 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems I find you to be ignoring the more serious issue here. It was you who inserted thoughts about sexuality in a thread I started about Mars. So who is the one having a problem. The one deflecting a serious question, which aught not to be taken too lightly? - - - - - As long as NASA haven't seen any farms and villages on Mars I feel I have every right to ask my questions. M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: Konstantin Zaitzev To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" wrote: > So are we to understand it like this, that C. W. Leadbeater's > practices and views upon childrens sexual problems still are being If you are thinking about sex even when we discuss alkaline and Mars, then it is not Leadbeater who has greatest sexual problems in TS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Tue Jul 01 22:18:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50148 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 05:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 05:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 05:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d33.33b845f9 (37570) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:18:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from FWM-D04 (fwm-d04.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.196]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB047-92c2486b0fa41ca; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:18:28 -0400 References: To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:18:28 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 76.229.170.51 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37563-STANDARD X-Received: from 76.229.170.51 by FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.196) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:18:28 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAAA1A3231F9F2-82C-574@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=C-NrD2b9IKeUX8F6sLS6Zvc-6GoyH8mCLL2li-rTqYW0f-CEbA X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45048 Well, that takes care of that! Now we can get back to fighting about Leadbeater and Krishnamurti like good Theosophists. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: prmoliveira To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:11 pm Subject: Theos-World Election results (Below is the text of the email message sent by Mary Anderson, International Secretary of the TS (Adyar) conveying the results of the 2008 Presidential Election. PO) PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2008 Under the authority of the Executive Committee of the Theosophical Society, I hereby certify that, in accordance with Rule 10 of the Rules and Regulations of the said Society, the Election Committee appointed by the Executive Committee counted the results of the voting communicated to the International Secretary by the General Secretaries of National Societies and Sections, Regional and Organizing Secretaries, Presidential Representatives and the votes of Lodges and Fellows-at-Large attached to Headquarters. The Executive Committee checked them and declared the result as follows: Dr John Algeo 4,323 votes Mrs Radha Burnier 8,560 votes Mary Anderson International Secretary *** In accordance with the requirements of Rule 10 of the Rules and Regulations of The Theosophical Society and the results of the voting shown above, which have been checked by the Election Committee and the Executive Committee, Mrs Radha Burnier is hereby declared re- elected President of the Theosophical Society for a further term of office from 17 July 2008. Mary Anderson International Secretary 1 July 2008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From prmoliveira@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 22:27:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: prmoliveira@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72367 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 05:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 05:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 05:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 05:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 05:27:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:27:51 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CAAA1A3231F9F2-82C-574@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 220.233.74.106 From: "prmoliveira" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39079617; y=8T2cY9glcF3yj5aFJeKZUTZ3DI4UkAaCFz8PFOpED139pPOdEUA X-Yahoo-Profile: prmoliveira X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45049 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote: > Well, that takes care of that! >=20 > Now we can get back to fighting about Leadbeater and Krishnamurti=20 like good Theosophists. >=20 > Chuck the Heretic Talking about fighting, take a look at what HPB describes=20 as "weapons" of a good Theosophist: "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden=20 highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of independent=20 thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a seeker=20 after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve the=20 universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) Pedro From AnandGholap@gmail.com Tue Jul 01 22:45:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86074 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 05:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 05:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 05:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 05:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 05:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 05:45:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:45:40 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.17.74.229 From: "Anand" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=rYztZzTUJOTRqdUXHMCF1DhxMjkos6_bMM6f2y8-JEZvnwdx5ZFy0TU X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45050 > "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden=20 > highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of independent=20 > thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a seeker=20 > after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve the=20 > universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) >=20 > Pedro > HPB uses word "independent thought -Godward" It implies belief of HPB in the existence of God.=20 Anand Gholap From prmoliveira@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 23:23:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: prmoliveira@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33401 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 06:23:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 06:23:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.134) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 06:23:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 06:23:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 06:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 06:23:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:23:39 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 220.233.74.106 From: "prmoliveira" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39079617; y=dcfR1ZKc9g4X11D9gVmWxlVsEyyTKx3V8cnV0pGd3NrTbAU1zGk X-Yahoo-Profile: prmoliveira X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45051 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" wrote: =20 > > "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden=20 > > highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of=20 independent=20 > > thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a=20 seeker=20 > > after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve=20 the=20 > > universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) =20 > HPB uses word "independent thought -Godward" It implies belief of=20 HPB > in the existence of God.=20 >=20 > Anand Gholap Anand, She is describing her view of what a Theosophist is: "an original=20 thinker, a seeker after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his=20 own" to solve the universal problems."=20=20 The question could be asked: what is the view about the "God=20 question" of someone who "enters upon the solitary path of=20 independent thought"? As I see it, HPB is describing the qualities of a mind and=20 consciousness that can indeed inquire into life's deeper aspects. Her=20 approach, as usual, is not belief-based but inquiry-based.=20 Pedro From AnandGholap@gmail.com Wed Jul 02 00:42:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3399 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 07:42:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 07:42:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 07:42:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:42:56 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.17.74.98 From: "Anand" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=547nPRaKoju_S0-vJmSfJL2e6AxbO6Vg_fhLLEyvddO7-j1SB_No3r4 X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45052 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "prmoliveira" wrote: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" wrote: >=20 >=20=20 > > > "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden=20 > > > highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of=20 > independent=20 > > > thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a=20 > seeker=20 > > > after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve=20 > the=20 > > > universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) >=20 >=20=20 > > HPB uses word "independent thought -Godward" It implies belief of=20 > HPB > > in the existence of God.=20 > >=20 > > Anand Gholap >=20 > Anand, >=20 > She is describing her view of what a Theosophist is: "an original=20 > thinker, a seeker after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his=20 > own" to solve the universal problems."=20=20 >=20 > The question could be asked: what is the view about the "God=20 > question" of someone who "enters upon the solitary path of=20 > independent thought"? >=20 > As I see it, HPB is describing the qualities of a mind and=20 > consciousness that can indeed inquire into life's deeper aspects. Her=20 > approach, as usual, is not belief-based but inquiry-based.=20 >=20 Pedro, When HPB said " independent thought--Godward ", it means she accepted that God exists. This acceptance can be a belief or it can be because of direct experience of God. She does not say here whether her acceptance is because on belief or experience or inquiry. But the important thing here is HPB accepts existence of God.=20 Anand Gholap From dzyan@online.de Wed Jul 02 02:38:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63372 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 09:38:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 09:38:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.179) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 09:38:04 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db800f5.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.0.245]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KDyma3uo2-0002P1; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:37:49 +0200 Message-ID: <006e01c8dc27$4dae1a30$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:33:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18dGxDfpSoMFKZS/pFz8n413yWKzs3+pCw2MeG zcoOMV+JlCypfMO+5LEL10fs9qshIldJyR0gMnAp4P3HxIGGPo eqafuKf4xzaVw0llISRdVXjocojUs76 X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=xY2U3wWP_qR2K0PHLQ7Bkr7fWB3bgXJ3fFOApjm9mbkg_xZBgRYe43pQnw X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45053 ----------------------------- Pedro, When HPB said " independent thought--Godward ", it means she accepted that God exists. This acceptance can be a belief or it can be because of direct experience of God. She does not say here whether her acceptance is because on belief or experience or inquiry. But the important thing here is HPB accepts existence of God. Anand Gholap ----------------------------- Anand, again you use the dead-letter-interpretation. Don't you know that HPB rejected that kind of interpretation? You should study the ABC of the mystery language before you lay HPB things into her mouth. In no way she said that an entity like God exists, at least a personal god of Christian odeum theologicum. Or, to make it more clear: If HPB writes about Jesus, do you read that she believes in his historical existence? If HPB translates Darwin into Russian, do you interpret it that HPB is a Darwinist? Is everyone, who has a Dianetics book on the shelf, an admirer of a foolish sect? Is everyone, who not believes in the airplanes version of 9/11 a terrorist or, even more bad, an Anti-American? BTW, I still await your answer regarding your contradictions between HPB and K on the presented list. I would like to hear an example from you. Frank From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 02:40:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50935 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 09:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 09:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.142) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 09:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 09:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 09:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 09:40:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:40:16 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Re: Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=ZkSosFH4-BOlydXkhpzydlLMCdvBG6NQUeRxoDdLb5gT_dRYRkcU X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45054 Thanks for the results! In addition, it would be interesting if there would be possible to=20 complete the Election Results with the following information: total=20 number of members entitled to vote, number of members who actually=20 voted and number of invalid ballots. It seems that more than 50% of members abstained to vote for either=20 of two candidates what seems to be a special message to the=20 leadership of the TS. Best regards, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "prmoliveira" =20 wrote: > > (Below is the text of the email message sent by Mary Anderson,=20 > International Secretary of the TS (Adyar) conveying the results of=20 > the 2008 Presidential Election. PO) >=20 >=20 > PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2008 >=20 > Under the authority of the Executive Committee of the Theosophical=20 > Society, I hereby certify that, in accordance with Rule 10 of the=20 > Rules and Regulations of the said Society, the Election Committee=20 > appointed by the Executive Committee counted the results of the=20 > voting communicated to the International Secretary by the General=20 > Secretaries of National Societies and Sections, Regional and=20 > Organizing Secretaries, Presidential Representatives and the votes=20 of=20 > Lodges and Fellows-at-Large attached to Headquarters. The Executive=20 > Committee checked them and declared the result as follows: >=20 > Dr John Algeo 4,323 votes >=20 > Mrs Radha Burnier 8,560 votes=20 > = =20 > = =20 =20 > Mary Anderson = =20 > International Secretary >=20 > *** >=20 > In accordance with the requirements of Rule 10 of the Rules and=20 > Regulations of The Theosophical Society and the results of the=20 voting=20 > shown above, which have been checked by the Election Committee and=20 > the Executive Committee, Mrs Radha Burnier is hereby declared re- > elected President of the Theosophical Society for a further term of=20 > office from 17 July 2008. >=20 > Mary=20 Anderson = =20 > International Secretary >=20 > 1 July 2008 > From mkr777@gmail.com Wed Jul 02 05:06:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15943 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 12:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 12:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 12:06:13 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so156176pyi.0 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.108.1 with SMTP id k1mr4088547wam.78.1215000372679; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:06:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.88.17 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:06:12 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAAA110507022B-978-3CA@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CAAA110507022B-978-3CA@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mkr777@gmail.com Subject: Re: Theos-World new blog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=-HJOToF1kJ-kiKSFfZxKPjnq3b_5BnujaSQUL-ydYZYCV4aPRVI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45055 Is not Chris the guy who was on the Board of Directors of TSA? I would keep this in mind when reading the blog. mkr On 7/1/08, MarieMAJ41@aol.com wrote: > > I just discovered a new blog hosted by Chris Richardson, from TSA in > America. Check it out. > > http://theosophist.wordpress.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Wed Jul 02 05:28:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46808 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 12:28:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 12:28:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.181) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 12:28:33 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n4so220721wag.5 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:28:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.144.1 with SMTP id r1mr6893260wad.140.1215001713645; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:28:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.88.17 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:28:33 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mkr777@gmail.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=hJVULv3RZHfWFMW2TtImfyitxzo7oN77kU9mfZi5mrtpGLGI1Fw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45056 Here is a good discussion in the Key to Theosophy on God: http://chestofbooks.com/religion/theosophy/H-P-Blavatsky/The-Key-to-Theosophy/The-Fundamental-Teachings-of-Theosophy-On-God-and-Prayer.html mkr On 7/2/08, Anand wrote: > > > > "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden > > highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of independent > > thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a seeker > > after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve the > > universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) > > > > Pedro > > > > HPB uses word "independent thought -Godward" It implies belief of HPB > in the existence of God. > > Anand Gholap > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From iganet2002@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 07:06:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66669 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 X-Sender: iganet2002@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30001 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 08:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 08:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.133) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 08:10:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86661 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2008 08:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from [165.141.179.55] by web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:10:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:10:17 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <319066.85139.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: revigani Reply-To: iganet2002@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141256380; y=nJ94OvgUipV_Oi44uNUtBA1MBbrEOGf-x1ASPnAszHGVmjrnrA X-Yahoo-Profile: iganet2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45057 What is the view of Theosophy on the existence of God? =A0 Rev. Igani --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Anand wrote: From: Anand Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 4:42 AM --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "prmoliveira" wrote: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anand" wrote: >=20 >=20 > > > "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden=20 > > > highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of=20 > independent=20 > > > thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a=20 > seeker=20 > > > after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve=20 > the=20 > > > universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) >=20 >=20 > > HPB uses word "independent thought -Godward" It implies belief of=20 > HPB > > in the existence of God.=20 > >=20 > > Anand Gholap >=20 > Anand, >=20 > She is describing her view of what a Theosophist is: "an original=20 > thinker, a seeker after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his=20 > own" to solve the universal problems."=20 >=20 > The question could be asked: what is the view about the "God=20 > question" of someone who "enters upon the solitary path of=20 > independent thought"? >=20 > As I see it, HPB is describing the qualities of a mind and=20 > consciousness that can indeed inquire into life's deeper aspects. Her=20 > approach, as usual, is not belief-based but inquiry-based.=20 >=20 Pedro, When HPB said " independent thought--Godward ", it means she accepted that God exists. This acceptance can be a belief or it can be because of direct experience of God. She does not say here whether her acceptance is because on belief or experience or inquiry. But the important thing here is HPB accepts existence of God.=20 Anand Gholap =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anandaam@googlemail.com Wed Jul 02 07:06:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9459 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n50b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.164) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 X-Sender: anandaam@googlemail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28804 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:13:09 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 86.134.88.72 From: "anandaam_11" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=253993476; y=2HCjAY2vnebIbm6SH3wGDW9CpWhykwuUHrRDiYsrMNmDLP3Tt-Y X-Yahoo-Profile: anandaam_11 X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45058 Dear Anand, The following passage from HPB may throw some light on which she=20 meant by 'godward'. "Eastern philosophy rejects the idea of a personal and extra-cosmic=20 deity. And to those who call this atheism, I would say the following.=20 It is illogical to worship one such god, for, as said in the=20 Bible, "There be Lords many and Gods many." Therefore, if worship is=20 desirable, we have to choose either the worship of many gods, each=20 being no better or less limited than the other, viz., polytheism and=20 idolatry, or choose, as the Israelites have done, one tribal or=20 racial god from among them, and while believing in the existence of=20 many gods, ignore and show contempt for the others, regarding our own=20 as the highest and the "God of Gods." But this is logically=20 unwarrantable, for such a god can be neither infinite nor absolute,=20 but must be finite, that is to say, limited and conditioned by space=20 and time. With the Pralaya the tribal god disappears, and Brahm=E2 and=20 all the other Devas, and the gods are merged into the Absolute.=20 Therefore, occultists do not worship or offer prayers to them,=20 because if we did, we should have either to worship many gods, or=20 pray to the Absolute, which, having no attributes, can have no ears=20 to hear us. The worshipper even of many gods must of necessity be=20 unjust to all the other gods; however far he extends his worship it=20 is simply impossible for him to worship each severally; and in his=20 ignorance, if he choose out any one in particular, he may by no means=20 select the most perfect. Therefore, he would do better far to=20 remember that every man has a god within, a direct ray from the=20 Absolute, the celestial ray from the One; that he has his " god "=20 within, not outside of, himself." (Collected Writings volume 10, page 345) A.M. > Pedro, >=20 > When HPB said " independent thought--Godward ", it means she=20 accepted > that God exists. This acceptance can be a belief or it can be=20 because > of direct experience of God. She does not say here whether her > acceptance is because on belief or experience or inquiry. But the > important thing here is HPB accepts existence of God.=20 >=20 > Anand Gholap > From anandaam@googlemail.com Wed Jul 02 07:06:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81349 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:31 -0000 X-Sender: anandaam@googlemail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84070 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 08:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 08:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.78) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 08:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 08:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 08:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 08:45:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:45:43 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 86.134.88.72 From: "anandaam_11" Subject: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=253993476; y=0TzajZUwazZRZEXKTJbgABRXvvvmqMkI7Bfwv9gm7VZdO1egBkY X-Yahoo-Profile: anandaam_11 X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 02 Jul 2008 14:06:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45059 Hello, I am interested in Theosophy and Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta=20 for many years and would like to join in discussion from time to time.=20 So far I have not had success sending a post, perhaps now I will be=20 able to. Ananda Murthy From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 08:47:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3891 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 15:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 15:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 15:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 15:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 15:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 15:47:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:47:33 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.139.148.172 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Re: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=V8l_j_PuFIrxoTqqMI_tgZDn6GND3fC7svhQF6c4I0Mzi0-6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45060 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "anandaam_11" wrote: > I am interested in Theosophy and Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta Welcome. I hope that with your participance the discussions here will take a more philosophical character. From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Wed Jul 02 08:53:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57648 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 15:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 15:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 15:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx01.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1KE4eO-0007yK-1m for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:53:44 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c8dc5b$d80e0030$15113456@khidr> To: References: <200859.25530.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:54:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=KIarXgvUVoAqXT7AO75n_4IwBaHqjQEbe_DNPf0f3ab1 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45061 Allright. Would you tell the same tale to TS Adyar and The Liberal Catholic Church? M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems Really Morten, Leadbeater is a continuing thread with you and we have been over it a thousand times. Continually mentioning his name and actions brings him back from the dead and into our consciousness, and quite frankly my consciousness is better spent elsewhere. Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Morten Nymann Olesen To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 July, 2008 5:50:11 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems I find you to be ignoring the more serious issue here. It was you who inserted thoughts about sexuality in a thread I started about Mars. So who is the one having a problem. The one deflecting a serious question, which aught not to be taken too lightly? - - - - - As long as NASA haven't seen any farms and villages on Mars I feel I have every right to ask my questions. M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: Konstantin Zaitzev To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: the Martian's sexual problems --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" wrote: > So are we to understand it like this, that C. W. Leadbeater's > practices and views upon childrens sexual problems still are being If you are thinking about sex even when we discuss alkaline and Mars, then it is not Leadbeater who has greatest sexual problems in TS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Wed Jul 02 08:54:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55082 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 15:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 15:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 15:54:47 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c20.3d8843ec (37034) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DG07 (webmail-dg07.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.71]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB024-90aa486ba4c2373; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:54:42 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:54:42 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 76.229.170.51 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37563-STANDARD X-Received: from 76.229.170.51 by WEBMAIL-DG07.sim.aol.com (205.188.171.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:54:42 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAAA73139698E1-A60-943@WEBMAIL-DG07.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=IW4efXRowq8Slaf-zjFUqHIGeUTsVYMfVIBod3MXreXZzwdupw X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45062 Now, you don't really expect that to happen, do you? Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Konstantin Zaitzev To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:47 am Subject: Theos-World Re: Introduction --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "anandaam_11" wrote: > I am interested in Theosophy and Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta Welcome. I hope that with your participance the discussions here will take a more philosophical character. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Wed Jul 02 10:02:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17837 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 17:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 17:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 17:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx01.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1KE5iY-0005UJ-1r for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:02:07 +0200 Message-ID: <132f01c8dc65$656e1560$15113456@khidr> To: References: <319066.85139.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:02:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results - GOD part 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=tryfZkaO16KxqYb1mOIe0khM-aFKPBii00mbEdYas5i9 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45063 To all readers My views are: This is an e-mailed response: It depends on how you define the word "God". There are the God of the ordinary Jews, the God of the ordinary Christians = etc. Those we call inferior. MASTER KH said: "Therefore, we DENY God both as philosophers and AS BUDDHISTS. We know there are planetary and other spiritual lives, and we know there is in our system NO SUCH THING AS GOD, EITHER PERSONAL OR IMPERSONAL. Parabrahm is not a God, but absolute immutable law, and Iswar is the effect of Avidya and Maya, ignorance based upon the great delusion. The word "God" was invented to designate the unknown cause of those effects which man has either admired or dreaded without understanding them, and SINCE WE CLAIM AND THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PROVE WHAT WE CLAIM-i.e. the knowledge of that cause and causes we are in a position to maintain THERE IS NO God OR Gods BEHIND THEM." ...(Master KH)http://www.theosociety.= org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-10.htm - - - - - - -=20 >From The Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky: "An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE on which all s= peculation is impossible, since it transcends the power of human conception= and could only be dwarfed by any human expression or similitude. It is bey= ond the range and reach of thought -- in the words of Mandukya, "unthinkabl= e and unspeakable." To render these ideas clearer to the general reader, let him set out with t= he postulate that there is one absolute Reality which antecedes all manifes= ted, conditioned, being. This Infinite and Eternal Cause -- dimly formulate= d in the "Unconscious" and "Unknowable" of current European philosophy -- i= s the rootless root of "all that was, is, or ever shall be." It is of cours= e devoid of all attributes and is essentially without any relation to manif= ested, finite Being. It is "Be-ness" rather than Being (in Sanskrit, Sat), = and is beyond all thought or speculation." (The Secret Doctrine, vol. 1, p. 14) - - - - - - - There is no RELIGION higher than TRUTH. Truth is shown everywhere in cosmos - as illusorical reality. What is truth= ? Truth is God as ParaBrahman - Neti Neti (ie. Not this, Not that)...=A8ParaB= rahman is defined as being beyond thoughts.Parabrahman is not this nor that= . Parabrahman is not the same as Jesus or Mary as in=20 the ordinary Christian world view. People often see what the want to see.So= me persons are going around every day looking over their own shoulders, ass= uming=20 each and every bypasser to be an alien from Mars in disguise. It is also a= fact, that People sometimes dream=20 about what their mind is occupied with.We can in fact provoke the dreams we= =20 ourselves want. Which not seldom is dreams we do not spiritually=20 need. - - - - - - -=20 H. P. Blavatsky said: "Too many already wear their faith, truly, as Shakespeare puts it, "but as = the fashion of his hat," ever changing "with the next block." Moreover, the= very raison d'=EAtre of the Theosophical Society was, from its beginning, = to utter a loud protest and lead an open warfare against dogma or any belie= f based upon blind faith." http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/IsTheosophyAReligion.htm M. Sufilight ----- Original Message -----=20 From: revigani=20 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results What is the view of Theosophy on the existence of God? =20=20=20 Rev. Igani --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Anand wrote: From: Anand Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 4:42 AM --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "prmoliveira" wrot= e: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anand" wrote: >=20 >=20 > > > "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden=20 > > > highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of=20 > independent=20 > > > thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a=20 > seeker=20 > > > after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve=20 > the=20 > > > universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) >=20 >=20 > > HPB uses word "independent thought -Godward" It implies belief of=20 > HPB > > in the existence of God.=20 > >=20 > > Anand Gholap >=20 > Anand, >=20 > She is describing her view of what a Theosophist is: "an original=20 > thinker, a seeker after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his=20 > own" to solve the universal problems."=20 >=20 > The question could be asked: what is the view about the "God=20 > question" of someone who "enters upon the solitary path of=20 > independent thought"? >=20 > As I see it, HPB is describing the qualities of a mind and=20 > consciousness that can indeed inquire into life's deeper aspects. Her=20 > approach, as usual, is not belief-based but inquiry-based.=20 >=20 Pedro, When HPB said " independent thought--Godward ", it means she accepted that God exists. This acceptance can be a belief or it can be because of direct experience of God. She does not say here whether her acceptance is because on belief or experience or inquiry. But the important thing here is HPB accepts existence of God.=20 Anand Gholap [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Wed Jul 02 10:02:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31653 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 17:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 17:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.11) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 17:02:24 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx01.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1KE5ip-0005gR-0N for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:02:23 +0200 Message-ID: <133301c8dc65$6f4a7f60$15113456@khidr> To: References: <319066.85139.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:02:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results - God part 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=9AlbNFkIuZbBcS0NgZcMG7U1hL0bsG868R4Fx4YoGtS- X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45064 To all readers My views are: God part 2 Try the following on the theosophical view of God... >>>The Fundamental Teachings of Theosophy. On God and Prayer<<< Q. Do you believe in God? A. That depends what you mean by the term. Q. I mean the God of the Christians, the Father of Jesus, and the Creator: = the Biblical God of Moses, in short. A. In such a God we do not believe. We reject the idea of a personal, or an= extra-cosmic and anthropomorphic God, who is but the gigantic shadow of ma= n, and not of man at his best, either. The God of theology, we say-and prov= e it-is a bundle of contradictions and a logical impossibility. Therefore, = we will have nothing to do with him. Q. State your reasons, if you please. A. They are many, and cannot all receive attention. But here are a few. Thi= s God is called by his devotees infinite and absolute, is he not? Q. I believe he is. A. Then, if infinite-i.e., limitless-and especially if absolute, how can he= have a form, and be a creator of anything? Form implies limitation, and a = beginning as well as an end; and, in order to create, a Being must think an= d plan. How can the absolute be supposed to think-i.e., to have any relatio= n whatever to that which is limited, finite, and conditioned? This is a phi= losophical, and a logical absurdity. Even the Hebrew Cabala rejects such an= idea, and therefore, makes of the one and the Absolute Deific Principle an infinite Unity called Ain-Soph *) *)Ain-Soph (Greek: toh pan, epeiros), the boundless or limitless, in and of= nature, the non-existing that IS, but that is not a Being. In order to create, the Creator has to become active; and as this is imposs= ible for absoluteness, the infinite principle had to be shown becoming the = cause of evolution (not creation) in an indirect way-i.e., through the eman= ation from itself (another absurdity, due this time to the translators of t= he Cabala) of the Sephiroth. How can the non-active eternal principle emanate or emit? The Parabrahman o= f the Vedantins does nothing of the kind; nor does the Ain-Soph of the Chal= dean Cabala. It is an eternal and periodical law which causes an active and= creative force (the logos) to emanate from the ever-concealed and incompre= hensible one principle at the beginning of every Mah -Manvantara, or new cy= cle of life. Q. How about those Cabalists, who, while being such, still believe in Jehov= ah, or the Tetragrammaton? A. They are at liberty to believe in what they please, as their belief or d= isbelief can hardly affect a self-evident fact. The Jesuits tell us that tw= o and two are not always four to a certainty, since it depends on the will = of God to make 2 =D7 2 =3D 5. Shall we accept their sophistry for all that? Q. Then you are Atheists? A. Not that we know of, and not unless the epithet of "Atheist" is to be ap= plied to those who disbelieve in an anthropomorphic God. We believe in a Un= iversal Divine Principle, the root of all, from which all proceeds, and wit= hin which all shall be absorbed at the end of the great cycle of Being. Q. This is the old, old claim of Pantheism. If you are Pantheists, you cann= ot be Deists; and if you are not Deists, then you have to answer to the nam= e of Atheists. A. Not necessarily so. The term Pantheism is again one of the many abused t= erms, whose real and primitive meaning has been distorted by blind prejudic= e and a one-sided view of it. If you accept the Christian etymology of this= compound word, and form it of pan , "all," and theos , "god," and then ima= gine and teach that this means that every stone and every tree in Nature is= a God or the one God, then, of course, you will be right, and make of Pant= heists fetish-worshippers, in addition to their legitimate name. But you wi= ll hardly be as successful if you etymologize the word Pantheism esoterical= ly, and as we do. Q. What is, then, your definition of it? A. Let me ask you a question in my turn. What do you understand by Pan, or = Nature? Q. Nature is, I suppose, the sumtotal of things existing around us; the agg= regate of causes and effects in the world of matter, the creation or univer= se. A. Hence the personified sum and order of known causes and effects; the tot= al of all finite agencies and forces, as utterly disconnected from an intel= ligent Creator or Creators, and perhaps "conceived of as a single and separ= ate force"-as in your encyclopedias? Q. Yes, I believe so. A. Well, we neither take into consideration this objective and material nat= ure, which we call an evanescent illusion, nor do we mean by Nature, in the= sense of its accepted derivation from the Latin Natura (becoming, from nas= ci, to be born). When we speak of the Deity and make it identical, hence co= eval, with Nature, the eternal and uncreate nature is meant, and not your a= ggregate of flitting shadows and finite unrealities. We leave it to the hym= n-makers to call the visible sky or heaven, God's Throne, and our earth of = mud His footstool. Our deity is neither in a paradise, nor in a particular = tree, building, or mountain: it is everywhere, in every atom of the visible= as of the invisible Cosmos, in, over, and around every invisible atom and = divisible molecule; for it is the mysterious power of evolution and involut= ion, the omnipresent, omnipotent, and even omniscient creative potentiality= . Q. Stop! Omniscience is the prerogative of something that thinks, and you d= eny to your Absoluteness the power of thought. A. We deny it to the absolute, since thought is something limited and condi= tioned. But you evidently forget that in philosophy absolute unconsciousnes= s is also absolute consciousness, as otherwise it would not be absolute. Q. Then your Absolute thinks? A. No, it does not; for the simple reason that it is Absolute Thought itsel= f. Nor does it exist, for the same reason, as it is absolute existence, and= Be-ness, not a Being. Read the superb Cabalistic poem by Solomon Ben Jehud= ah Gabirol, in the Kether-Malchut, and you will understand: Thou art one, the root of all numbers, but not as an element of numeration;= for unity admits not of multiplication, change, or form. Thou art one, and in the secret of Thy unity the wisest of men are lost, be= cause they know it not. Thou art one, and Thy unity is never diminished, never extended, and cannot= be changed. Thou art one, and no thought of mine can fix for Thee a limit, or define Th= ee. Thou art, but not as one existent, for the understanding and vision of mort= als cannot attain to Thy existence, nor determine for Thee the where, the h= ow and the why. In short, our Deity is the eternal, incessantly evolving, not creating, bui= lder of the universe; that universe itself unfolding out of its own essence= , not being made. It is a sphere, without circumference, in its symbolism, = which has but one ever-acting attribute embracing all other existing or thi= nkable attributes-itself. It is the one law, giving the impulse to manifest= ed, eternal, and immutable laws, within that never-manifesting, because abs= olute law, which in its manifesting periods is The ever-Becoming. Q. I once heard one of your members remarking that Universal Deity, being e= verywhere, was in vessels of dishonor, as in those of honor, and, therefore= , was present in every atom of my cigar ash! Is this not rank blasphemy? A. I do not think so, as simple logic can hardly be regarded as blasphemy. = Were we to exclude the Omnipresent Principle from one single mathematical p= oint of the universe, or from a particle of matter occupying any conceivabl= e space, could we still regard it as infinite? - - - - - - - M. Sufilight ----- Original Message -----=20 From: revigani=20 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results What is the view of Theosophy on the existence of God? =20=20=20 Rev. Igani --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Anand wrote: From: Anand Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 4:42 AM --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "prmoliveira" wrot= e: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anand" wrote: >=20 >=20 > > > "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden=20 > > > highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of=20 > independent=20 > > > thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a=20 > seeker=20 > > > after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve=20 > the=20 > > > universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) >=20 >=20 > > HPB uses word "independent thought -Godward" It implies belief of=20 > HPB > > in the existence of God.=20 > >=20 > > Anand Gholap >=20 > Anand, >=20 > She is describing her view of what a Theosophist is: "an original=20 > thinker, a seeker after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his=20 > own" to solve the universal problems."=20 >=20 > The question could be asked: what is the view about the "God=20 > question" of someone who "enters upon the solitary path of=20 > independent thought"? >=20 > As I see it, HPB is describing the qualities of a mind and=20 > consciousness that can indeed inquire into life's deeper aspects. Her=20 > approach, as usual, is not belief-based but inquiry-based.=20 >=20 Pedro, When HPB said " independent thought--Godward ", it means she accepted that God exists. This acceptance can be a belief or it can be because of direct experience of God. She does not say here whether her acceptance is because on belief or experience or inquiry. But the important thing here is HPB accepts existence of God.=20 Anand Gholap [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Wed Jul 02 10:03:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30208 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 17:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 17:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.11) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 17:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx01.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1KE5jh-0006Cm-39 for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:03:18 +0200 Message-ID: <133701c8dc65$8ffed7b0$15113456@khidr> To: References: <319066.85139.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:03:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results - GOD part 3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=8qRTOgnc7zwKwSxM1ZExLaeX4DHIoxNbmSAJW-O__f22 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45065 To all readers My views are: >From The Bhagavad Gita (The Song Celestial) "The worlds, Arjuna! -- even Brahma's world -- Roll back again from Death to Life's unrest; But they, O Kunti's Son! that reach to Me, Taste birth no more. If ye know Brahma's Day Which is a thousand Yugas; if ye know The thousand Yugas making Brahma's Night, Then know ye Day and Night as He doth know! When that vast Dawn doth break, th' Invisible Is brought anew into the Visible; When that deep Night doth darken, all which is Fades back again to Him Who sent it forth; Yea! this vast company of living things -- Again and yet again produced -- expires At Brahma's Nightfall; and, at Brahma's Dawn, Riseth, without its will, to life new-born. But -- higher, deeper, innermost -- abides Another Life, not like the life of sense, Escaping sight, unchanging. This endures When all created things have passed away; This is that Life named the Unmanifest, The Infinite! the All! the Uttermost. Thither arriving none return. That Life Is Mine, and I am there! And, Prince! by faith Which wanders not, there is a way to come Thither. I, the PURUSHA, I Who spread The Universe around me -- in Whom dwell All living Things -- may so be reached and seen!" (The Song Celestial, by Edwin Arnold - Chapter VIII; v16-22) - - - - - - - M. Sufilight is a witness on the truth about: "Thither arriving none return." Happy heartflows to all. M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: revigani To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results What is the view of Theosophy on the existence of God? Rev. Igani --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Anand wrote: From: Anand Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 4:42 AM --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "prmoliveira" wrote: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anand" wrote: > > > > > "Be what he may, once that a student abandons the old and trodden > > > highway of routine, and enters upon the solitary path of > independent > > > thought--Godward --he is a Theosophist; an original thinker, a > seeker > > > after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his own" to solve > the > > > universal problems." (The Theosophist, October 1879) > > > > HPB uses word "independent thought -Godward" It implies belief of > HPB > > in the existence of God. > > > > Anand Gholap > > Anand, > > She is describing her view of what a Theosophist is: "an original > thinker, a seeker after the eternal truth with "an inspiration of his > own" to solve the universal problems." > > The question could be asked: what is the view about the "God > question" of someone who "enters upon the solitary path of > independent thought"? > > As I see it, HPB is describing the qualities of a mind and > consciousness that can indeed inquire into life's deeper aspects. Her > approach, as usual, is not belief-based but inquiry-based. > Pedro, When HPB said " independent thought--Godward ", it means she accepted that God exists. This acceptance can be a belief or it can be because of direct experience of God. She does not say here whether her acceptance is because on belief or experience or inquiry. But the important thing here is HPB accepts existence of God. Anand Gholap [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Wed Jul 02 10:05:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53716 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 17:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 17:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 17:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx01.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1KE5lT-0006zs-1h for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:05:07 +0200 Message-ID: <134601c8dc65$d14bea00$15113456@khidr> To: References: <8CAAA73139698E1-A60-943@WEBMAIL-DG07.sim.aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:05:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=NI4L46vWdFCoobnVFTgXBbmwjNdmMDuxEm_5r7stIlDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45066 I wonder: Can we be philosophical when we e-mail so much? M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: Drpsionic@aol.com To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Introduction Now, you don't really expect that to happen, do you? Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Konstantin Zaitzev To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:47 am Subject: Theos-World Re: Introduction --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "anandaam_11" wrote: > I am interested in Theosophy and Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta Welcome. I hope that with your participance the discussions here will take a more philosophical character. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Wed Jul 02 10:10:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8414 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 17:10:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 17:10:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.64) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 17:10:36 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l1fZ1Z00Q0QkzPwA70B100; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:10:35 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.225.115]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l5AU1Z0022W0jvw8N5AUQ7; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:10:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=G/L4PReStsXmwMahln8APw==:17 a=QBMp6lsoAAAA:8 a=JW7hxuElAAAA:8 a=ayVIL_szukbGHUDL8dEA:9 a=D5YsKjirOgdrVsElWC0A:7 a=VQPFmqin3xu0Rc7qgJkVzz1osuUA:4 a=9J5VuaLb3qoA:10 a=iYlkOlhu7C0A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=CF1WJvDbAAAA:8 a=MaHbt5JM_qV2gxL_bHsA:9 a=rSnoMple1YohBd0COsIA:7 a=9_5_7samlwfgm5UJ3Y20ikc6PccA:4 a=l1KeHmMDpNIA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [67.166.129.157] by amailcenter15.comcast.net; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:10:25 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:10:25 +0000 Message-Id: <070220081710.23843.486BB68100040BBC00005D232215555884CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=Av24xL29tGvtCE3bs5lSasiUV0lyIQiiwcPYGZCbIpzCT2PZ5IbW26tb4Qwjn2S3 X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45067 Frank, I have a couple of Links you would be happy to know about: The now public International Trace Service with over 15 million Nazi Records >>>http://www.its-arolsen.org/en/homepage/index.html<<< The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum >>>http://www.ushmm.org/<<< Enjoy, John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Frank Reitemeyer" ----------------------------- Pedro, When HPB said " independent thought--Godward ", it means she accepted that God exists. This acceptance can be a belief or it can be because of direct experience of God. She does not say here whether her acceptance is because on belief or experience or inquiry. But the important thing here is HPB accepts existence of God. Anand Gholap ----------------------------- Anand, again you use the dead-letter-interpretation. Don't you know that HPB rejected that kind of interpretation? You should study the ABC of the mystery language before you lay HPB things into her mouth. In no way she said that an entity like God exists, at least a personal god of Christian odeum theologicum. Or, to make it more clear: If HPB writes about Jesus, do you read that she believes in his historical existence? If HPB translates Darwin into Russian, do you interpret it that HPB is a Darwinist? Is everyone, who has a Dianetics book on the shelf, an admirer of a foolish sect? Is everyone, who not believes in the airplanes version of 9/11 a terrorist or, even more bad, an Anti-American? BTW, I still await your answer regarding your contradictions between HPB and K on the presented list. I would like to hear an example from you. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 10:30:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92340 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 17:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 17:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 17:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 17:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 17:30:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:30:49 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <070220081710.23843.486BB68100040BBC00005D232215555884CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.139.148.242 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Jesus, Re: Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=D-lLLkxm0r3gQzt4eRfsGREr2kN9Coum3rOu2wHXTJNdiXTx X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45068 =20 > From: "Frank Reitemeyer" =20 > If HPB writes about Jesus, do you read that she believes in his > historical existence? Surely she acknowledged existence of historical Jesus, who was nevertheless a somewhat different person from that which was pictured by the church myth. See an article by David Pratt with a good collection of quotations from HPB & other sources: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/jesus.htm From dzyan@online.de Wed Jul 02 10:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24098 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 17:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 17:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.179) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 17:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db800f5.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.0.245]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1KE6GH2jOH-000690; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:36:57 +0200 Message-ID: <002c01c8dc6a$3da24d30$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:36:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Nn2yNNkco9F62eui1e6M/u/cCHQ+VeuvpU9v GtwYDHyuWOQHIsbrHZGSIiIDmsUkfE3vT3jiPtABqm31hbFf6r yOr0TUsqGtMRg+wv7pYtP8/Mydhwy9k X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Jesus, Re: Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=mPKwYI7iwzvbvlRXlXFtzLRuWdU1DRAE6y7UN9isnKFLuYNj3QZasja96w X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45069 To be correct, she did not acknowledge the historical existence of Jesus, but rather that Jesus was created as a type figure based on a historical adept named Jehoshua. That is the proper understanding of the mystery language HPB uses, which deals with symbols or several levels. In contrast to the dead-letter interpretation of the Romlings and Anand's reading of HPB. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Konstantin Zaitzev To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Theos-World Jesus, Re: Election results > From: "Frank Reitemeyer" > If HPB writes about Jesus, do you read that she believes in his > historical existence? Surely she acknowledged existence of historical Jesus, who was nevertheless a somewhat different person from that which was pictured by the church myth. See an article by David Pratt with a good collection of quotations from HPB & other sources: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/jesus.htm From AnandGholap@gmail.com Wed Jul 02 10:41:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54128 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 17:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 17:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 17:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 17:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 17:41:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:41:38 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <319066.85139.qm@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 59.162.216.166 From: "Anand" Subject: Re: Theos-World Election results X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=PuC5ErBi_HkLVqbPjszfr4VR4GbYa-TzTt5bcewmlfrNazj2VrzuHRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45070 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, revigani wrote: > > What is the view of Theosophy on the existence of God? > =A0 > Rev. Igani About existence of God, there are many different writings in the TS. Mahatma Letters, Blavatsky's writing, Annie Besant, C.W. Leadbeater. When students read their writings, they feel that these different authors had different views about God. It is also possible that apparent differences are merely due to differences in expressions and words used.=20 I think Besant and Leadbeater had same views on the subject of God, and I agree with them.=20 When I read messages from the students of Mahatma Letters & Blavatsky, I found that there is not agreement among students about what these authors have to say. Some say they believed in the existence of God, some say they don't.=20 Personally, I would recommend writings of Besant and Leadbeater, if anybody wants to understand about God and other important topics in Theosophy. And my judgment of these things does not depend only on Theosophical reading. I have read some other spiritual classics and religious books. And while arriving at any conclusion, I take into consideration what is written by spiritualists outside the TS also.=20 Anand Gholap From dzyan@online.de Wed Jul 02 11:38:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71598 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 18:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 18:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 18:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db800f5.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.0.245]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwpI-1KE7EA33PK-0004J3; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:38:52 +0200 Message-ID: <03e701c8dc72$e2ddac60$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: <070220081710.23843.486BB68100040BBC00005D232215555884CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:38:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/sGSDtLdCPt7jJIza+qK1nK77fjAjUGjI4ad1 gd1b5gSG9O5slT+sKPi5cdTqBXWoRRfVXb7WmORcp10bFu5ib5 dypJ9xvfjPff/Kq8akMmGFE6quXlF8k X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: John's new black magic religion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=X9KEaNRDmA7IUeDO3Nz7VdPHXoOO81weBNfMKWoSJuGWZK6Y7YYGuwOzlA X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 45071 John, late you come, but you come! Why do you think that this is news to me as I am studying that black magic topic - of which you seem to be obsessed - since a lot of years. And by studying I mean study facts, and them from all sides - and not merely parrot opinions of others, who quote others, who have an opinion. Studying includes to discriminate also between propaganda and truth. I was several times attacked even in this list for my demand of inquiry and research, regardless of what taboos pressure groups and propaganda machines create. So your reaction is a sad proof that you do not understand. But it is of course nothing new that a Jew cannot understand an Aryan because of his special psychological apparatus. You will not like the Arolsen archives, when you learn that the reasons of imprisonment of each Jew, who was jailed, are listed there. Most reason is high treason for being active in communistic conspiracy. There is nothing special with it and the USA have no other laws, even today. Germany cannot be blamed for defend herself from the death struggle which was forced upon her by the Jews since 1870. Stricly speaking, Germany would have even had the legal right (both national and international), to jail Jews in concentration camps since the Jewish revolution in Germany in 1918. Again, since the world Jewry from 1932 up to 1939 declared publicly at least seven times the extermination of the Germans, Germany would have been the legal right (both national and international) from 1932 onwards, to jail all Jews as prisoners of war. Instead, from 1933 until 1939, Jews were only jailed when active in conspiracy. Compare the outstanding 3 vol. research of Munich historian Wolfgang Eggert: "Israels Geheimvatikan" (Isreael's Secret Vaticane) [of Safed]: Vol. 1: http://nwo-fighter.info/downloads/pdf/Eggert_Wolfgang_Israels_Geheimvatikan_I_2002.pdf Vol. 2: http://nwo-fighter.info/downloads/pdf/Eggert_Wolfgang_Israels_Geheimvatikan_II_2002.pdf Vol. 3: http://nwo-fighter.info/downloads/pdf/Eggert_Wolfgang_Israels_Geheimvatikan_III_2002.pdf Here you find the original Jewish war declarations against Germany and the Aryan race from their own newspaper such as the Berlin Judische Rundschau etc. and their plan to erect in Germany (and in sequel in the rest of Wetern Europe) a communist terror dictature (which now comes from the back door through the Lisbon treaty). You will be aware of the fact, that in every host nation the Jews have assassinated and terrorized themselves on the top they have always erected walls, secret servives to suppress the natives and commit genozide and play chess with the nations and peoples. Funny, that Jews today claims to be the victims. It seems, that when Jews control only 80 oder 90 % of a nation, they feel persecuted. They have overlooked the fact of the chancellor in 1933, who declared in his first government statement, that brotherhood does not mean that criminals must not be persecuted by the administration because of their belonging to a certain race. That is, BTW, in my humble opinion, the same interpretation of the ancient Aryan doctrines as was HPB's. Gosh! Nevertheless, the Holodeck is a threat not only for the Jews themselves, but also for the survival of the West, as Danish Blavatsky student Prof. Christian Lindtner pointed out on the Tehran conference. If you are interested of the theosophical point of view to the Jewish question you should study HPB, Purucker and Tingley (esp. her comments about the Balfour declaration in 1917, Versailles treaty in 1919 and the Jewish based 14 years civil war in Germany from 1918-1933). Or is your position merely to infiltrate the theosophical movement for the Illuminati agenda? BTW, that Jews misuse Americans for their most satanic pseudo religion and erect a "Holo Museum", were the most silly lies and stories are presented, which would a school boy make laugh. For example they present soap and claim the German made soap from Jews, when even Jehuda Bauer of Yad Vashem in 1996 declared, that the soap story is a propaganda fairy tale, besides the lawas of nature and laws of physics, which play no role in most aggressive religion which jails and kills every doubter. The USA (which in fact means the Mosaic foreign rule over the USA) would do better, instead to spread lies about Germany (60% of the Americans have German ancestors according to recently news reports), better erect Museums where the million innocent victims of 200 years US imperialism and world aggression would be displayed: from the genozide on the red indians, to WWI, WW II, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan up to Gauntanamo Bay. Even better, the USA should launch a Dresden museum, to honor the 1.2 million innocent German women and children, which were burnt by Jewish napalm bombs on Febr. 14th, 1945, for the only, racistic reason, that they were Germans. They were burnt alive and suffered literally a holocaust, which means to burn alive. It was the greatest, singular genozide in history. "The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservaties, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history." - Ari Shavit in: Ha'aretz News Service (Israel), April 5th, 2003 "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in The Final Days, 1976 Why do fear Jews free speech and free research? After 60 years Auschwitz and other German concentration camps should be examined by an international commitee of scientists. No NWO and Shalom Free Speach and free research for free people No Illuminati terror inside and outside the Theosophical Movement Frank First Holo in 1919: http://vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/#download 6 million Jews killed in Europe in 1919: http://www.iamthewitness.com/Crucifixion-of-Jews.html Scientific examination instead of propaganda: http://vho.org/dl/ENG/loth.pdf Fox interview of a Rabbi against Israel http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=p8aaFyDZfq0 Israel's message to the World http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=8D37eORcF3Y&feature=related founding fathers http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=rErukvYVPOI&feature=related JFK on "a ruthless conspiracy": "For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political op