From spirit777child@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 01 00:17:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: spirit777child@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32897 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 07:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2008 07:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.56.23) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 07:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n4.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 07:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.154] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 07:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2008 07:15:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 515625.25760.bm@omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 47059 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2008 07:15:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RF68JuIVM1litxo85txTXWIbKCz4Z3.TEAZgVlVSlvGQmcbUIdwP8p9v3y8DtaPAGtemutmsfHQX9sbfQPBPvu7nBNxuhKMGr2Kk_1qkNG_pp73Qp2LycOVyfgUeb7J4ulw04eX.5MBmoXxGoTsuKTA- X-Received: from [92.234.23.202] by web23411.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:15:54 BST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:15:54 +0100 (BST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <902142.85157.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <426047.25669.qm@web23411.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.56.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Antonio/Tony None Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Music, the language of the Soul X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252124750; y=535gTI1A6fAmJT9lE0ckZFPbRUVl5tgW2mZr42P5wwnFJ2Ss9U4cANk X-Yahoo-Profile: spirit777child Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43453 Yes, absoloutly. Martin wrote: Yes will link you to it when its readx. My friend is jewish btw and he respects the work of the others. So only if they agree I will give it free...:-) --- Antonio/Tony None wrote: > Any chance of a listen? I am working with a lot of > arabic sounds at the minute. Would be interesting to > hear what its all about! > > Cheers. > > Martin wrote: > I just got this email from a friend, > which proves to me, music has no > prejudice :-) > > Hello friends, > > As you know I live in Israel, the 2 weeks I'm > Mixing here (here > means at my studio) > a new disk for an Arab Palestinian, a great guy, > and a very good > musician !! > Most of the music was recorded in Amman (Jordan) > some of the > musician playing there > were brought specaially from Egyps (as they are > playing authentic > rare arab instruments) > some tracks recorded in Nazareth, no one of the > musicians (exept of > the guy I'm working with) > knows a thing about the other musicians - and of > caurse how the music > will come out - as each Musician was playing only > with 1 instrument > prerecorded as a guide line.. > I must say it's very special, all the > situation,from all > aspects..... and so is the music !!!! > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good helps you make a difference > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 17:33:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90182 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 00:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 00:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.104) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 00:33:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74552 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2008 00:33:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: miGcDSEVM1nl4ZKonzvl0jySUxEmfUmm4Kmc4KFeg8aBbd8ivLVxjVU3Mf_M8tkUOt.uBEVyw_UPNOtKkF7U3Xj1Hgtzo_kGzrbOap0WBt28rgj_XMjXq7eMAW65vbGFHa7jjphGnFDNAWQ20wr2DWq4hw-- X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:10 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:33:10 -0700 (PDT) To: Theosophy MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <674438.72930.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: 2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=NSj_TMTC2w2W1EoaW9BC64313_Ss1mBtRnxGVn12JRUcWxQ1bg X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43454 Call me na=EFve, but I think there is something in what this person has to = say. The video is long, 2 hours, and may bleed a little at the end, but ba= sically it covers. =20=20=20 The first 30 minutes:- Our chakras as a means to raising consciousness without meditation. Proc= ess involves collapsing the chakras into nested spheres, to what they call = Zero Point, the centre being the wormgate to other dimensions. The physical component we use is the pineal gland. =20=20=20 Connections between the Vatican =96 Egypt =96 multiduous symbols of Pine = Cones (which represent the pineal gland =96 as this is what the pineal glan= d looks like. Also Dionysus, Buddha, Shiva are all depicted with pine cone= . The staff of the Pope has a pine cone. King Tut shown with a pine cone s= uggesting that knowledge of the pineal (symbolically represented as a pinec= one) is the knowledge of higher forces. =20=20=20 Very interesting segment on the real history of the USA and how it is con= trolled by the British through the Illuminati. =20=20=20 Second 30 minutes (for memory) Sci Fi fans will love this =96 Montauk chair and how the Fibonnaci sequen= ce of 13 comes into effect 21/12/2012 =96 to do with the pulse of the earth= (and subsequently ours) vibrating from 7.5 in 1986 to the predicted 13 in = 2012, which can cause changes to our DNA. =20=20=20 Third 30 minutes Discusses Codex Alimentarius and how it is the strategic plan of the Illu= minati to dessimate the population from 6 billion to 500 million through bo= vine growth hormanes, fluoridation, and anti-biotics. Also discusses Agenda 21 Protocol =20=20=20 I would be interested in getting some feedback if anyone is interested in= doing so. Also I am not convinced about alien co-operation with earthling= s here, but the rest of what David Willcox said has much food for thought i= n it. =20=20=20 Cass =20=20=20 =20=20=20 =20=20=20 http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3D3267 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 18:38:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88744 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 01:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 01:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.108) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 01:38:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53566 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2008 01:38:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NOdhJpcVM1kDKoDdkQXFxOpeDfkxA.BVIvKX0XJ7TcwHIPXIppszSFDXTaMEgZWA3Rn.ICbXqMLJT0kNi6Q21GcKv29Y7o3O3ijS1qaJtNXyrOgDBD_cegKYFn49QHWxF_K.enIi08YIJXpUK6T.w7.faA-- X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:38:47 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:38:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Theosophy MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <868513.51546.qm@web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: A must watch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=gdpCpp45l0vW79evNA7kKxMHg_zXST6RdLfKloX3kFrEFtlAmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43455 Subject: [monasterion] scientist describes stroke - her own http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=UyyjU8fzEYU --------------------------------- You rock. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Thu Apr 03 19:47:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25021 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 02:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 02:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 02:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d1f.2052a3c1 (37129) for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:46:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from Webmail-mg09 (webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.157]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA023-910947f596a2fd; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:46:58 -0400 References: <674438.72930.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:46:58 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.217.171.151 In-Reply-To: <674438.72930.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-STANDARD X-Received: from 69.217.171.151 by Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.157) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:46:58 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA641549128F40-101C-11AA@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=XHeDMkeGbuKofNGDeJbwy0pHkKs5PF_1zeO1Lh6FP9v5HCPc1g X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43456 Well, I matched my equipment against the Montauk Device in 1992 and beat it= so... The other thing to remember is that we have records that go back beyond 4,0= 00 BC, and no sign the world ended then either.=C2=A0 Of course maybe somet= hing terrible might happen to Gautemala in 2012, but I fear the worst we wi= ll have to deal with is another US Presidential campaign that year, which m= ay make us all wish the world would come to an end! Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: Theosophy Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 7:33 pm Subject: Theos-World 2012 Enigma Call me na=C3=AFve, but I think there is something in what this person has = to say. The video is long, 2 hours, and may bleed a little at the end, but = basically it covers. The first 30 minutes:- Our chakras as a means to raising consciousness without meditation. Process= involves collapsing the chakras into nested spheres, to what they call Zer= o Point, the centre being the wormgate to other dimensions. The physical component we use is the pineal gland. Connections between the Vatican =E2=80=93 Egypt =E2=80=93 multiduous symbol= s of Pine Cones (which represent the pineal gland =E2=80=93 as this is what= the pineal gland looks like. Also Dionysus, Buddha, Shiva are all depicted= with pine cone. The staff of the Pope has a pine cone. King Tut shown with= a pine cone suggesting that knowledge of the pineal (symbolically represen= ted as a pinecone) is the knowledge of higher forces. Very interesting segment on the real history of the USA and how it is contr= olled by the British through the Illuminati. Second 30 minutes (for memory) Sci Fi fans will love this =E2=80=93 Montauk chair and how the Fibonnaci se= quence of 13 comes into effect 21/12/2012 =E2=80=93 to do with the pulse of= the earth (and subsequently ours) vibrating from 7.5 in 1986 to the predic= ted 13 in 2012, which can cause changes to our DNA. Third 30 minutes Discusses Codex Alimentarius and how it is the strategic plan of the Illumi= nati to dessimate the population from 6 billion to 500 million through bovi= ne growth hormanes, fluoridation, and anti-biotics. Also discusses Agenda 21 Protocol I would be interested in getting some feedback if anyone is interested in d= oing so. Also I am not convinced about alien co-operation with earthlings h= ere, but the rest of what David Willcox said has much food for thought in i= t. Cass http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3D3267 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 20:29:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39416 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 03:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 03:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.110) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 03:29:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72849 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2008 03:29:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zS0aa0IVM1nUbL7nW8ahHd3cNlNhWF8HVsUeENh.t8_2cCRA782BjdDzPNaTcbDMCVOKEAuHl5ZNjXRtW0wI_44lQRAJjRKw4OEDXjQfMHFDXM0HmmBE15jE0y1pCsTTKpTMfEPiuQIlra28HPUbd85tFR6aviM- X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:29:44 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:29:44 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA641549128F40-101C-11AA@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <739561.72373.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=W7mDc7IVrUJaZZkotEiQ1a44mhoR-JrXzqauj09zKlw_DKaGFw X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43457 He doesn't mention the world ending, so not sure where you are coming from? Cass Drpsionic@aol.com wrote: Well, I matched my equipment against the Montauk Device in 1992 a= nd beat it so... The other thing to remember is that we have records that go back beyond 4,0= 00 BC, and no sign the world ended then either.=C2 Of course maybe somethi= ng terrible might happen to Gautemala in 2012, but I fear the worst we will= have to deal with is another US Presidential campaign that year, which may= make us all wish the world would come to an end! Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: Theosophy Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 7:33 pm Subject: Theos-World 2012 Enigma Call me na=C3=AFve, but I think there is something in what this person has = to say. The video is long, 2 hours, and may bleed a little at the end, but = basically it covers. The first 30 minutes:- Our chakras as a means to raising consciousness without meditation. Process= involves collapsing the chakras into nested spheres, to what they call Zer= o Point, the centre being the wormgate to other dimensions. The physical component we use is the pineal gland. Connections between the Vatican =E2=80=93 Egypt =E2=80=93 multiduous symbol= s of Pine Cones (which represent the pineal gland =E2=80=93 as this is what= the pineal gland looks like. Also Dionysus, Buddha, Shiva are all depicted= with pine cone. The staff of the Pope has a pine cone. King Tut shown with= a pine cone suggesting that knowledge of the pineal (symbolically represen= ted as a pinecone) is the knowledge of higher forces. Very interesting segment on the real history of the USA and how it is contr= olled by the British through the Illuminati. Second 30 minutes (for memory) Sci Fi fans will love this =E2=80=93 Montauk chair and how the Fibonnaci se= quence of 13 comes into effect 21/12/2012 =E2=80=93 to do with the pulse of= the earth (and subsequently ours) vibrating from 7.5 in 1986 to the predic= ted 13 in 2012, which can cause changes to our DNA. Third 30 minutes Discusses Codex Alimentarius and how it is the strategic plan of the Illumi= nati to dessimate the population from 6 billion to 500 million through bovi= ne growth hormanes, fluoridation, and anti-biotics. Also discusses Agenda 21 Protocol I would be interested in getting some feedback if anyone is interested in d= oing so. Also I am not convinced about alien co-operation with earthlings h= ere, but the rest of what David Willcox said has much food for thought in i= t. Cass http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3D3267 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Fri Apr 04 08:21:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38162 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 15:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 15:18:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 15:18:45 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d34.22ae9ceb (34895) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:18:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from MBLK-M14 (mblk-m14.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.47]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA014-884f47f646cb1a7; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:18:36 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:18:35 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.217.171.151 In-Reply-To: <739561.72373.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-STANDARD X-Received: from 69.217.171.151 by MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.47) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:18:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA647E493692EE-12F4-464@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=1IXUpemEtPpcKq4sXUk_dchfNfli79TdxXIVRGgUfhQPkFtlaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43458 It was implied at the beginning of the movie.=C2=A0 Then he changed his int= erpretation. http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:29 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma He doesn't mention the world ending, so not sure where you are coming from? Cass Drpsionic@aol.com wrote: Well, I matched my equipment against the Montauk Device in 1992 and beat it= so... The other thing to remember is that we have records that go back beyond 4,0= 00 BC, and no sign the world ended then either.=C3=82 Of course maybe somet= hing terrible might happen to Gautemala in 2012, but I fear the worst we wi= ll have to deal with is another US Presidential campaign that year, which m= ay make us all wish the world would come to an end! Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: Theosophy Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 7:33 pm Subject: Theos-World 2012 Enigma Call me na=C3=83=C2=AFve, but I think there is something in what this perso= n has to say. The video is long, 2 hours, and may bleed a little at the end= , but basically it covers. The first 30 minutes:- Our chakras as a means to raising consciousness without meditation. Process= involves collapsing the chakras into nested spheres, to what they call Zer= o Point, the centre being the wormgate to other dimensions. The physical component we use is the pineal gland. Connections between the Vatican =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9C Egypt =C3=A2=E2=82= =AC=E2=80=9C multiduous symbols of Pine Cones (which represent the pineal g= land =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9C as this is what the pineal gland looks like. = Also Dionysus, Buddha, Shiva are all depicted with pine cone. The staff of = the Pope has a pine cone. King Tut shown with a pine cone suggesting that k= nowledge of the pineal (symbolically represented as a pinecone) is the know= ledge of higher forces. Very interesting segment on the real history of the USA and how it is contr= olled by the British through the Illuminati. Second 30 minutes (for memory) Sci Fi fans will love this =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9C Montauk chair and how t= he Fibonnaci sequence of 13 comes into effect 21/12/2012 =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2= =80=9C to do with the pulse of the earth (and subsequently ours) vibrating = from 7.5 in 1986 to the predicted 13 in 2012, which can cause changes to ou= r DNA. Third 30 minutes Discusses Codex Alimentarius and how it is the strategic plan of the Illumi= nati to dessimate the population from 6 billion to 500 million through bovi= ne growth hormanes, fluoridation, and anti-biotics. Also discusses Agenda 21 Protocol I would be interested in getting some feedback if anyone is interested in d= oing so. Also I am not convinced about alien co-operation with earthlings h= ere, but the rest of what David Willcox said has much food for thought in i= t. Cass http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3D3267 --------------------------------- You rock. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From byondthis@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 14:03:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: byondthis@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78808 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 21:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 21:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.18) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 21:03:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96914 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2008 21:03:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dUqCEaUVM1mel32OHRRFOjo866ID2RUXWU9w931rTKlmALsn6YHQIPFR9.y.O_q3MrdG_vstiCp0t46RgrE1kTCKW101TV4Hiwmv4k7ANPm3cPuTZrB_LdrD90EKQ3Ekmri1MKw- X-Received: from [69.47.128.166] by web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:03:46 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:03:46 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <107514.95756.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: brian scanlon Subject: Re:2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112704907; y=neQXu0pC1AiSAKh1ivxCWhbhzKz8nes2IA9o7Qjurw-iU2iN X-Yahoo-Profile: byondthis X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43459 Hi Cass, It sounds like an interesting show. I will have to check it out. Some points you mentioned are collaborated or explained, in various national/ontological versions of the secret doctrine including: The Turanian Ancestral Taoist system -(a version of the pre-Aryan/Atlantian system (Which the Aryan system is the "Pre-Vedic system")developed and evolved by the Turanians, teachs that the "Chakras" are actualy united into one large Chakra, when one opens the "Microcosmic orbit" (which is connecting the two most important of the "8 Mysterious Vessels/Channels" and increasing the flow of "Chi' within it) - The Microcosmic orbit is a core component of Turanian Alchemy, and a very very important aspect of the Esoteric System, which is missing from many of the surviving national branchs, and/or it was re-imported into modern systems, during the 1600-1800's. It is essentialy a path bisecting the body in half, along the center line of the body.It starts on the front of the body within the tongue, than travels down the chest to the groin, back to the tail bone, up the spine, to the top of the head, ending in the roof of the mouth, which when the tongue is placed there, completes the "Circuit" for the Etheric/Pranic energy to flow freely. It is Ovoid Shape, and is a microcosmic version of the Macroscosmic "Cosmic Egg". The most interesting point, is that when the Microcosmic path is opened fully, the chakras unite into one strong Chakra field. At this time true spiritual resurection can be practised and the Male and Female energies of the Body can be united. At this point, the body becomes a Neutral pole, or a Laya Center as we say in Theosophy, or Zero point. Connections between far ranging cultures, is something HPB proved back in the 1800's and explains in detail, where all cultures came from and why/how they are connected, as well as why we have so few records left. Like usual she was called a quack by the "Greatest" thinkers of her day, yet, most of the ideas from the "Greatest" thinkers are now proved false and have been thrown out in the trash, while HPBs/Mahatmas Ideas are continualy validated. There are many Symbols found, in as extreme far range of cultures as you can get, proving that in fact there was a time of BEFORE the period of "One Lip", where everyone, was of "One Symbol" (time of the 3rd Root Race) and that Land masses were differant, and have changed multiple times. My perception of the US is that, it is the "house of christianity", not the house of Illuminati, who were simply a group preserving the Esoteric Doctrine in Older times. While I dont believe in the Illuminati, in terms of modern use and with the fabulous modern stories, I do percieve that "nothing is what it seems" in the tricky world of Maya, and I Dont believe anything the media paints as truth. I do believe that wars are purposfuly man made and there are "people behind the scenes", but many take this kind of idea way way to far. 2012 - Im interested and entertained by all the odd ball ideas people come up with on what is going to happen 2012. People dont learn from their mistakes. Have we forgoten Y2K all ready? Like usual Theosophy has the explanation, IF we have the "ears to hear". First we know that the Kali Yuga, DOESNT end in 2012, SO, no rest for the wicked. Second, we know in 1875 a new Cycle in the Preccesional cycle began. We are now celestialy positioned to become influenced by the Aquarius Star cluster. This means a complete change in social and spiritual outlook, and in fact, along with the Kali Yuga, changes the kind of "Spiritual Technology" will be best, for Chelas and Adepts to fruther along the path. And whats so very unique about this Precessional cycle is that the position of our equitorial plane, is aligned with that of the ecliptic plane and the galactic plane forms a "Celestial Cross Pattern,which only occures ruffly every 12,000 Years. This is of utmost importance for one reason. A change will occur in the 5th Sub Group of the 5th Root Race, which will take us out of the point of "The most material", and we will officialy begin the ascending arc, preparing for the 6th Sub Race. THis means, we will become more spiritualy inclined, while those unwilling to change, will be simply thrown to the wayside, as evolutionary dead ends. Those that evolve will be the stock base for the 6th sub racers. We know this is an aspect of study in Esoteric Astrology/Astronomy. As we know the astrological Symbol for the Earth, is a mulitiple layered symbol, which among many other meanings, represents certain astrological Alighments. And represents this Cosmic alighment we are approaching. Additionaly our Solar System, is the closest, it has been to the galatic center, in an extremly long period of time. SO, we are getting bathed in many differant forms, of evolutionary force, that will be the catalyst for change in the Aryan root race NOT destruction or Armagedon. As to aliens, I dont believe in SciFi stuff, though believe that many UFOs are simply top secret US vehicles (I say this based on real time experiance with one, extremly close to me, and it didnt look like it was from outer space!) and that many "sightings" are actualy experiances with "Beings" and Forces, from other planes. BUT I do believe in the fact that since 1875, when the new Aquarian precessional cycle began, Coincidentaly?!?!?! when HPB founded the TS, a very unique thing started to occur, which has never before happened. The Physical plane and the Astral plane, have become the "Closest" that they have ever been. As in the Barrier has begun to break down. Originaly this was the part of the divine plane, in having these 2 lower planes/bodies/aspects combine. But since the Atlantians corrupted and "soiled" the Astral plane, which weve kept the ball rolling on, this posses new dangers. A physical manefestation of this, can be seen in 2 things. First the increase of Paranormal activity/channeling/mediums, ect. None of which have ever channeled anything other than a lower astral being or elemental. All phenomena is either a result of astral forces, or caused by individuals who are developed in their Psychic/astral gifts. And two, visitation by differant forces/beings/life forms,Visibly, instead of simply Phenomena that many call "UFOS", and mistake for something from Outer space, increased after 1875, to the largest most wide spread numbers ever. And finaly, Population control. While I dont believe in the Modern Illuminati, I fully percieve that we are purposfully given chemicals that will give us things like cancer and shorten our lives. "Side effects' are pursposfully built into synthetic pharmaceuticals. They purposfully hold back Cures, to keep stringing people along. They do create sickness. They do "Fleace" us of everything they possibly can. They pump us with images to create fear, so we will become better consumers seaking "Comfort". And dont even get me started on Oil and the War!! I will see if I can track this vid down and watch it tonight. B 2012 Enigma Posted by: "Cass Silva" silva_cass@yahoo.com silva_cass Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:33 pm (PDT) Call me naïve, but I think there is something in what this person has to say. The video is long, 2 hours, and may bleed a little at the end, but basically it covers. The first 30 minutes:- Our chakras as a means to raising consciousness without meditation. Process involves collapsing the chakras into nested spheres, to what they call Zero Point, the centre being the wormgate to other dimensions. The physical component we use is the pineal gland. Connections between the Vatican – Egypt – multiduous symbols of Pine Cones (which represent the pineal gland – as this is what the pineal gland looks like. Also Dionysus, Buddha, Shiva are all depicted with pine cone. The staff of the Pope has a pine cone. King Tut shown with a pine cone suggesting that knowledge of the pineal (symbolically represented as a pinecone) is the knowledge of higher forces. Very interesting segment on the real history of the USA and how it is controlled by the British through the Illuminati. Second 30 minutes (for memory) Sci Fi fans will love this – Montauk chair and how the Fibonnaci sequence of 13 comes into effect 21/12/2012 – to do with the pulse of the earth (and subsequently ours) vibrating from 7.5 in 1986 to the predicted 13 in 2012, which can cause changes to our DNA. Third 30 minutes Discusses Codex Alimentarius and how it is the strategic plan of the Illuminati to dessimate the population from 6 billion to 500 million through bovine growth hormanes, fluoridation, and anti-biotics. Also discusses Agenda 21 Protocol I would be interested in getting some feedback if anyone is interested in doing so. Also I am not convinced about alien co-operation with earthlings here, but the rest of what David Willcox said has much food for thought in it. Cass ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. 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Thanks Geraldine From silva_cass@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 21:17:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12358 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 04:17:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 04:17:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.115) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 04:17:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25448 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2008 04:17:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ado.wtsVM1kvicpst8KQJSV1DaynUfasQEaPYsSZeCU6b3yKykc8AAItq_jWktlmF8WprGWsgIqg63tbS_6M0dOZ24aeRbgYl.jNc8s9NBUqkqxkp8ZCbMC5IcDofq2sCXibPG_wkFQpPEhihAF_MW8L3kp0prMBUkfJLNLW2Up0FrpnT5799F8uw.8- X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:17:48 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 21:17:48 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA647E493692EE-12F4-464@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <174872.25409.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=0FAgKlI5x4Ty2h00tDO9D16Eq1-GEIr6JBfQI-7GJ6bbut1TBg X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43461 He spoke about making a movie at the same time as his talk, but I didn't co= nnect the two. I guess you have seen the movie. =20=20=20 Cass Drpsionic@aol.com wrote: It was implied at the beginning of the movie.=C2 Then he changed= his interpretation. http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:29 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma He doesn't mention the world ending, so not sure where you are coming from? Cass Drpsionic@aol.com wrote: Well, I matched my equipment against the Montauk Device in 1992 and beat it= so... The other thing to remember is that we have records that go back beyond 4,0= 00 BC, and no sign the world ended then either.=C3=82 Of course maybe somet= hing terrible might happen to Gautemala in 2012, but I fear the worst we wi= ll have to deal with is another US Presidential campaign that year, which m= ay make us all wish the world would come to an end! Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: Theosophy Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 7:33 pm Subject: Theos-World 2012 Enigma Call me na=C3=83=C2=AFve, but I think there is something in what this perso= n has to say. The video is long, 2 hours, and may bleed a little at the end= , but basically it covers. The first 30 minutes:- Our chakras as a means to raising consciousness without meditation. Process= involves collapsing the chakras into nested spheres, to what they call Zer= o Point, the centre being the wormgate to other dimensions. The physical component we use is the pineal gland. Connections between the Vatican =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9C Egypt =C3=A2=E2=82= =AC=E2=80=9C multiduous symbols of Pine Cones (which represent the pineal g= land =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9C as this is what the pineal gland looks like. = Also Dionysus, Buddha, Shiva are all depicted with pine cone. The staff of = the Pope has a pine cone. King Tut shown with a pine cone suggesting that k= nowledge of the pineal (symbolically represented as a pinecone) is the know= ledge of higher forces. Very interesting segment on the real history of the USA and how it is contr= olled by the British through the Illuminati. Second 30 minutes (for memory) Sci Fi fans will love this =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9C Montauk chair and how t= he Fibonnaci sequence of 13 comes into effect 21/12/2012 =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2= =80=9C to do with the pulse of the earth (and subsequently ours) vibrating = from 7.5 in 1986 to the predicted 13 in 2012, which can cause changes to ou= r DNA. Third 30 minutes Discusses Codex Alimentarius and how it is the strategic plan of the Illumi= nati to dessimate the population from 6 billion to 500 million through bovi= ne growth hormanes, fluoridation, and anti-biotics. Also discusses Agenda 21 Protocol I would be interested in getting some feedback if anyone is interested in d= oing so. Also I am not convinced about alien co-operation with earthlings h= ere, but the rest of what David Willcox said has much food for thought in i= t. Cass http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3D3267 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Sat Apr 05 00:04:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98598 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 07:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 07:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 07:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d28.22fa81a2 (34958) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 03:04:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [66.229.64.15] (c-66-229-64-15.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [66.229.64.15]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA067-888e47f7247a1a8; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:04:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <868513.51546.qm@web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <868513.51546.qm@web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1BE1D2B6-50EB-45F8-9CEA-4A04FFB98685@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 03:04:30 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-AOL-IP: 66.229.64.15 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Leon Maurer Subject: Re: Theos-World A must watch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=U-y8q6oZlVC7KbnZGl1GSHRvxIpSDiuP00FAcm6BBUtQ6dqRGzk X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43462 YouTube said "the URL contained a malformed video ID" but when I closed the spaces it worked okay. So here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU Very interesing and moving. On Apr 3, 2008, at 4/3/089:38 PM, Cass Silva wrote: > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=UyyjU8fzEYU [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mvandertak@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 00:32:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mvandertak@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87243 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 07:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 07:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.210) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 07:32:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18538 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2008 07:32:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5L6AGVIVM1n8xRyoyFA3OkDIyK01dEuU4Af8jSQQUQ2WFi_U_Ce41Y2vBMh0dBKnl4ziUy2mpP1JUzkXVxY5puvo5vaXY_POx_2dJaMJwNDoSDgzPBkLooV_92TiSlNhYXaj2EtDVxtjP81cblket6uaLLMszHbTsv0- X-Received: from [212.127.190.196] by web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:32:35 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 00:32:35 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <107514.95756.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <183623.18206.qm@web52607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Martin Subject: Re: Theos-World Re:2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38276385; y=68orO7jUlazM0PRwL893wm_UwacTGDf_sqsRNabBEqism4W8Gw X-Yahoo-Profile: mvandertak X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43463 Dear Brian: That was a good informative read :-) Have a look here about the Germ,an developements in the WW2: http://www.vho.org/D/Geheim1/29g.htm Here you can read about people who channeled Pleiadan technology back in the 30s of the 20th century and based on that they developed flying saucers. There's indeed a lot top secret (occult) going on in Maya. On purpose keeping people from the Truth is to me the worst karmic act, I speak from my own experience and I am still trying to get myself out of the mental shit(read condition)I was plunged into by society when born. Though I know in the end all is temporary and despite what we do to eachother, in the end we understand it was for our own growth. --- brian scanlon wrote: > > Hi Cass, > > It sounds like an interesting show. I will have to > check it out. > > Some points you mentioned are collaborated or > explained, in various national/ontological versions > of > the secret doctrine including: > > The Turanian Ancestral Taoist system -(a version of > the pre-Aryan/Atlantian system (Which the Aryan > system > is the "Pre-Vedic system")developed and evolved by > the > Turanians, teachs that the "Chakras" are actualy > united into one large Chakra, when one opens the > "Microcosmic orbit" (which is connecting the two > most > important of the "8 Mysterious Vessels/Channels" and > increasing the flow of "Chi' within it) - > > The Microcosmic orbit is a core component of > Turanian > Alchemy, and a very very important aspect of the > Esoteric System, which is missing from many of the > surviving national branchs, and/or it was > re-imported > into modern systems, during the 1600-1800's. It is > essentialy a path bisecting the body in half, along > the center line of the body.It starts on the front > of > the body within the tongue, than travels down the > chest to the groin, back to the tail bone, up the > spine, to the top of the head, ending in the roof of > the mouth, which when the tongue is placed there, > completes the "Circuit" for the Etheric/Pranic > energy > to flow freely. It is Ovoid Shape, and is a > microcosmic version of the Macroscosmic "Cosmic > Egg". > > The most interesting point, is that when the > Microcosmic path is opened fully, the chakras unite > into one strong Chakra field. At this time true > spiritual resurection can be practised and the Male > and Female energies of the Body can be united. At > this > point, the body becomes a Neutral pole, or a Laya > Center as we say in Theosophy, or Zero point. > > > Connections between far ranging cultures, is > something > HPB proved back in the 1800's and explains in > detail, > where all cultures came from and why/how they are > connected, as well as why we have so few records > left. > Like usual she was called a quack by the "Greatest" > thinkers of her day, yet, most of the ideas from the > "Greatest" thinkers are now proved false and have > been > thrown out in the trash, while HPBs/Mahatmas Ideas > are > continualy validated. There are many Symbols found, > in > as extreme far range of cultures as you can get, > proving that in fact there was a time of BEFORE the > period of "One Lip", where everyone, was of "One > Symbol" (time of the 3rd Root Race) and that Land > masses were differant, and have changed multiple > times. > > My perception of the US is that, it is the "house of > christianity", not the house of Illuminati, who were > simply a group preserving the Esoteric Doctrine in > Older times. While I dont believe in the > Illuminati, > in terms of modern use and with the fabulous modern > stories, I do percieve that "nothing is what it > seems" > in the tricky world of Maya, and I Dont believe > anything the media paints as truth. I do believe > that > wars are purposfuly man made and there are "people > behind the scenes", but many take this kind of idea > way way to far. > > 2012 - Im interested and entertained by all the odd > ball ideas people come up with on what is going to > happen 2012. People dont learn from their mistakes. > Have we forgoten Y2K all ready? Like usual Theosophy > has the explanation, IF we have the "ears to hear". > > First we know that the Kali Yuga, DOESNT end in > 2012, > SO, no rest for the wicked. Second, we know in 1875 > a > new Cycle in the Preccesional cycle began. We are > now > celestialy positioned to become influenced by the > Aquarius Star cluster. This means a complete change > in > social and spiritual outlook, and in fact, along > with > the Kali Yuga, changes the kind of "Spiritual > Technology" will be best, for Chelas and Adepts to > fruther along the path. And whats so very unique > about > this Precessional cycle is that the position of our > equitorial plane, is aligned with that of the > ecliptic > plane and the galactic plane forms a "Celestial > Cross > Pattern,which only occures ruffly every 12,000 > Years. > This is of utmost importance for one reason. A > change > will occur in the 5th Sub Group of the 5th Root > Race, > which will take us out of the point of "The most > material", and we will officialy begin the ascending > arc, preparing for the 6th Sub Race. THis means, we > will become more spiritualy inclined, while those > unwilling to change, will be simply thrown to the > wayside, as evolutionary dead ends. Those that > evolve > will be the stock base for the 6th sub racers. > > We know this is an aspect of study in Esoteric > Astrology/Astronomy. As we know the astrological > Symbol for the Earth, is a mulitiple layered symbol, > which among many other meanings, represents certain > astrological Alighments. And represents this Cosmic > alighment we are approaching. > > Additionaly our Solar System, is the closest, it > has > been to the galatic center, in an extremly long > period > of time. SO, we are getting bathed in many differant > forms, of evolutionary force, that will be the > catalyst for change in the Aryan root race NOT > destruction or Armagedon. > > > As to aliens, I dont believe in SciFi stuff, though > believe that many UFOs are simply top secret US > vehicles (I say this based on real time experiance > with one, extremly close to me, and it didnt look > like > it was from outer space!) and that many "sightings" > are actualy experiances with "Beings" and Forces, > from > other planes. > > BUT I do believe in the fact that since 1875, when > the > new Aquarian precessional cycle began, > Coincidentaly?!?!?! when HPB founded the TS, a very > unique thing started to occur, which has never > before > happened. The Physical plane and the Astral plane, > have become the "Closest" that they have ever been. > As > in the Barrier has begun to break down. Originaly > this > was the part of the divine plane, in having these 2 > lower planes/bodies/aspects combine. But since the > Atlantians corrupted and "soiled" the Astral plane, > which weve kept the ball rolling on, this posses new > dangers. A physical manefestation of this, can be > seen > in 2 things. > > First the increase of Paranormal > activity/channeling/mediums, ect. None of which have > ever channeled anything other than a lower astral > being or elemental. All phenomena is either a result > of astral forces, or caused by individuals who are > developed in their Psychic/astral gifts. > > And two, visitation by differant forces/beings/life > forms,Visibly, instead of simply Phenomena that many > call "UFOS", and mistake for something from Outer > space, increased after 1875, to the largest most > wide > spread numbers ever. > > And finaly, Population control. While I dont believe > in the Modern Illuminati, I fully percieve that we > are > purposfully given chemicals that will give us things > like cancer and shorten our lives. "Side effects' > are > pursposfully built into synthetic pharmaceuticals. > They purposfully hold back Cures, to keep stringing > people along. They do create sickness. They do > "Fleace" us of everything they possibly can. They > pump > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From dirk.laureyssens@gmail.com Sat Apr 05 04:45:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dirk.laureyssens@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77648 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 11:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 11:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 11:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 11:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 11:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 11:45:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:45:28 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 80.201.97.72 From: "pelastration" Subject: Geometry, Topological holons and Kabbalah X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242761364; y=3x40CwXrTXjpj7uo9RDCZfVLoyYY2EUYsWvjpB2DHlTkkbUqbRK5 X-Yahoo-Profile: pelastration X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43464 For your consideration. ;-) Riemann and Clifford looked how bending geometry could explain the dynamics= of the=20 cosmic system. To them matter and energy are simply different types of cur= vature of=20 space.=20 Influenced by the non-Euclidean geometries of Bernhard Riemann and Nikolay= =20 Lobachevsky, William Kingdon Clifford presented in 1876 such idea, thus for= eshadowing=20 Albert Einstein's GR, who called this "deformations" of spacetime or topolo= gical defects.=20 Riemann Riemann showed in 1854 - based on a crumpled paper ball - that as t= here are=20 different kinds of lines and surfaces, so there are different kinds of spac= e of three=20 dimensions, including hidden dimensions. =20 IMO the basic background (substance) is a dynamic membrane that is the sing= ularity (that=20 cannot destroy or intersect itself).=20 This starting hypothesis gives the possibility to show in an engineering de= sign the=20 mechanism of macro and micro entanglements. Check in this yuotube movie:=20 The hard problem. Based on the same first principle of topological entangle= ment it's easy=20 to understand how spirit and body are coupled. Mind is then the interface b= etween spirit=20 and body. See Youtube movie And based on the same first principle of topological entanglement it's easy= to understand=20 the basic concepts behind Kabbalah. See Video-Google:=20 . Soon I will publish a new video about the Tree of life using this principle= of entanglement,=20 showing the sefirot and the 22 paths in one design.=20 This approach is 100% mathematical correct. Every-thing we observe is part = (a subset) of=20 the larger background (One). The complexity of our dynamic reality is due t= o the=20 progressive multi-layering in more complex holons, where the most dense hol= ons finally=20 will be called "matter".=20=20=20 Best regards. =20=20 Dirk http://www.mu6.com/holon_creation.html http://holons.blogspot.com http://holonism.blogspot.com From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 06:31:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93687 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 13:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 13:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.109) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 13:31:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45376 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2008 13:31:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0exdQYkVM1kERmxI6np3DuWvaqMFIoaWR.Xq97qL8TvhKF5RSjR5.Urx.SJwbUZhJMPLSmIUcKXwhVDh1PCZcCVFnL8tvuy9fpGy9SMM9Mk2WrUYuBsOaIbEzXcMDDuhd_UFQHxKl9znTKO_VLgtzihEaQ-- X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:31:28 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:31:28 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1BE1D2B6-50EB-45F8-9CEA-4A04FFB98685@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <836619.43275.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World A must watch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=RKmdN-SVE7CTiPwDrwRl4l3YO6F5RAlUgsX9TUylaS-tmh5oPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43465 Yes, it made the idea of having a stroke or dying as having not to fear it. Harder for those who are left to care or grieve. Cass Leon Maurer wrote: YouTube said "the URL contained a malformed video ID" but when I closed the spaces it worked okay. So here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU Very interesing and moving. On Apr 3, 2008, at 4/3/089:38 PM, Cass Silva wrote: > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=UyyjU8fzEYU [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Sat Apr 05 10:02:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38207 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 17:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 17:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 17:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ccc.2e304ab6 (37145) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:02:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from FWM-D05 (fwm-d05.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.197]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA037-911947f7b0a346; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:02:27 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:02:27 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.217.171.151 In-Reply-To: <174872.25409.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-STANDARD X-Received: from 69.217.171.151 by FWM-D05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.197) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:02:27 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA6555F60C5A98-BE4-2D25@FWM-D05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=ojyLqwzjldz3fNLPIHGWwsmyJfCXM2lEFxZgThodl-8Bdad78g X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43466 I downloaded it. http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:17 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma He spoke about making a movie at the same time as his talk, but I didn't co= nnect the two. I guess you have seen the movie. Cass Drpsionic@aol.com wrote: It was implied at the beginning of the movie.=C3=82 Then he changed his int= erpretation. http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:29 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 Enigma He doesn't mention the world ending, so not sure where you are coming from? Cass Drpsionic@aol.com wrote: Well, I matched my equipment against the Montauk Device in 1992 and beat it= so... The other thing to remember is that we have records that go back beyond 4,0= 00 BC, and no sign the world ended then either.=C3=83=E2=80=9A Of course ma= ybe something terrible might happen to Gautemala in 2012, but I fear the wo= rst we will have to deal with is another US Presidential campaign that year= , which may make us all wish the world would come to an end! Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: Theosophy Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 7:33 pm Subject: Theos-World 2012 Enigma Call me na=C3=83=C6=92=C3=82=C2=AFve, but I think there is something in wha= t this person has to say. The video is long, 2 hours, and may bleed a littl= e at the end, but basically it covers. The first 30 minutes:- Our chakras as a means to raising consciousness without meditation. Process= involves collapsing the chakras into nested spheres, to what they call Zer= o Point, the centre being the wormgate to other dimensions. The physical component we use is the pineal gland. Connections between the Vatican =C3=83=C2=A2=C3=A2=E2=80=9A=C2=AC=C3=A2=E2= =82=AC=C5=93 Egypt =C3=83=C2=A2=C3=A2=E2=80=9A=C2=AC=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93 m= ultiduous symbols of Pine Cones (which represent the pineal gland =C3=83=C2= =A2=C3=A2=E2=80=9A=C2=AC=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93 as this is what the pineal gl= and looks like. Also Dionysus, Buddha, Shiva are all depicted with pine con= e. The staff of the Pope has a pine cone. King Tut shown with a pine cone s= uggesting that knowledge of the pineal (symbolically represented as a pinec= one) is the knowledge of higher forces. Very interesting segment on the real history of the USA and how it is contr= olled by the British through the Illuminati. Second 30 minutes (for memory) Sci Fi fans will love this =C3=83=C2=A2=C3=A2=E2=80=9A=C2=AC=C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =C5=93 Montauk chair and how the Fibonnaci sequence of 13 comes into effect= 21/12/2012 =C3=83=C2=A2=C3=A2=E2=80=9A=C2=AC=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93 to do wi= th the pulse of the earth (and subsequently ours) vibrating from 7.5 in 198= 6 to the predicted 13 in 2012, which can cause changes to our DNA. Third 30 minutes Discusses Codex Alimentarius and how it is the strategic plan of the Illumi= nati to dessimate the population from 6 billion to 500 million through bovi= ne growth hormanes, fluoridation, and anti-biotics. Also discusses Agenda 21 Protocol I would be interested in getting some feedback if anyone is interested in d= oing so. Also I am not convinced about alien co-operation with earthlings h= ere, but the rest of what David Willcox said has much food for thought in i= t. Cass http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3D3267 --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster To= tal Access, No Cost. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Sat Apr 05 17:26:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25787 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 00:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 00:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 00:26:25 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k27so554464hsc.2 for ; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.232.13 with SMTP id e13mr6746821anh.89.1207441585075; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.168.10 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:26:25 -0600 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MKR Subject: Re: Theos-World Mahabharata on-line resource X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=xATIQ7Vh7lFGMI44e9rgbqXIWqqPnUeNTtXM3hRTnJWpl7vqLyM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43467 This is the first time I see a request. Have you tried to google? You may find some sources. mkr On 4/3/08, geraldine pecorella wrote: > > Dear Brothers& Sisters,Where is the best place to download stories of > the Mahabharata? > Thanks Geraldine > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au Sat Apr 05 20:09:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48971 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 03:09:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 03:09:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 03:09:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 03:09:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 03:09:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 03:09:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:09:29 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 124.169.148.56 From: "nhcareyta" Subject: Re: Mahabharata on-line resource X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193856796; y=nJrOMaR2Q36kyoAWD1qnpNiOQvpBttKTbHQ-TnygMRSbgTp9 X-Yahoo-Profile: nhcareyta X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43468 Dear Geraldine Here is a link which might be of help: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/maha/index.htm Regards Nigel --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "geraldine pecorella"=20 wrote: > > Dear Brothers& Sisters,Where is the best place to download stories of=20 > the Mahabharata? > Thanks Geraldine > From leonmaurer@aol.com Sat Apr 05 20:31:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16316 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 03:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 03:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 03:31:46 -0000 X-Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb6.28813aed (37588) for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:31:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [66.229.64.15] (c-66-229-64-15.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [66.229.64.15]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB061-92d447f8441e1ff; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:31:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <107514.95756.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <107514.95756.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2DE4324E-FA69-4ED0-A454-5A3964055EE1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:31:40 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-AOL-IP: 66.229.64.15 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Leon Maurer Subject: Re: Theos-World Re:2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=cyMhlgkDKgZ70E_1OMZolEXTk0dEiXr-BGzQQABeQwDr8v0d8UQ X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43469 Hi all, Check out the diagram of the chakra fields as described in the ABC model of cosmogenesis**, that conforms perfectly with the cosmology of the Book of Dzyan, and is useful as a visualization when practicing the meditative system outlined in Patanjali's (Rajah) Yoga Aphorisms coupled with the Voice of the Silence -- which, taken together, are almost identical to the Esoteric meditative system described by Brian -- (which is more like a tantric version of kundalini yoga). **See, ABC theory of cosmogenesis and illustrations at: http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13 and http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/THOTH_IN_DIAMOND_SAMADHI.jpg http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.gif Note the analogous relationship between the 8 inner chakra field complex (and it's two higher fields of Atma-Buddhi centered in the eye chakra) related to the physical body's overall spiritual field (centered in the heart chakra) -- and the 8 fields (and its two higher fields of atma-buddhi centered above the brahma chakra) related to the astral body's spiritual field (centered in the naval chakra) and linked, analogously, to the physical body's heart chakra. (Essentially, all zero-point centers of consciousness throughout the body (cellular, etc,) are entangled with the center of global self consciousness located in the naval chakra point.) This analogous and corresponding relationship is the basis of "As above, so below" -- which holographically extends and applies up to and through the entire cosmos and every sentient being in it. Thus at the primal beginning, the sleeping (pralaya) cosmos had its circumference everywhere (spinergy) and its center (consciousness) nowhere. And, after manifestation (manvantara) it is just the reverse. It follows, as the Buddha said, that both consciousness and matter are "dependently arising" out of "sunyata" or emptiness (of form or being). Therefore "sunyata" is just as real as everything that stems from it Since visualization is centered in the pineal or eye chakra, meditating on and understanding these relationships will aid in visualizing the ultimate merger of all the higher monadic (atma- buddhi-manas) zero-point chakra centers of the physical, astral, mental, spiritual bodies, and the corresponding solar bodies, galactic bodies, etc. When all these higher chakra field's zero point centers are correlated (merged) between the three human bodies, along with the corresponding solar and cosmic (monad chakra field) bodies and the total unity of the self with all selves is realized -- samadhi (enlightenment) is experienced, and at-one-ment of the body, mind and soul with the conscious Laya point source of all, is achieved. Remember that the holographic *information* for the structure of all these bodies, is stored everywhere in every zero-point "spinergy" center of every chakra field. This state corresponds with the "union" of the body's male and female energies... But such a rajah yoga meditative method can -- by visualization alone solely through the higher mind -- directly lift our consciousness from the physical plane to the spiritual plane, along with the automatic control of the breath, and the flow of chi energy through the "Nadi" channels.. Although there's nothing wrong with assisting this flow by placing the tongue against the roof of the mouth... Although no physical or tantric "positions" or special "breathing" are necessary for the dedicated rajah yoga meditator. ;-) BTW, such a "meditation with a seed," as taught by Patanjali, can be carried out anywhere, at any time, so long as one can close off all distracting sensory and mental images, operate the body under auto pilot, and concentrate on the mental visualizations alone... Although I wouldn't do it while crossing streets or driving in heavy traffic. ;-) Hope this helps. Best wishes, Leon Maurer On Apr 4, 2008, at 4/4/085:03 PM, brian scanlon wrote: > The Turanian Ancestral Taoist system -(a version of > the pre-Aryan/Atlantian system (Which the Aryan system > is the "Pre-Vedic system") developed and evolved by the > Turanians, teaches that the "Chakras" are actualy > united into one large Chakra, when one opens the > "Microcosmic orbit" (which is connecting the two most > important of the "8 Mysterious Vessels/Channels" and > increasing the flow of "Chi' within it) - > > The Microcosmic orbit is a core component of Turanian > Alchemy, and a very very important aspect of the > Esoteric System, which is missing from many of the > surviving national branchs, and/or it was re-imported > into modern systems, during the 1600-1800's. It is > essentialy a path bisecting the body in half, along > the center line of the body.It starts on the front of > the body within the tongue, than travels down the > chest to the groin, back to the tail bone, up the > spine, to the top of the head, ending in the roof of > the mouth, which when the tongue is placed there, > completes the "Circuit" for the Etheric/Pranic energy > to flow freely. It is Ovoid Shape, and is a > microcosmic version of the Macroscosmic "Cosmic Egg". > > The most interesting point, is that when the > Microcosmic path is opened fully, the chakras unite > into one strong Chakra field. At this time true > spiritual resurection can be practised and the Male > and Female energies of the Body can be united. At this > point, the body becomes a Neutral pole, or a Laya > Center as we say in Theosophy, or Zero point. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kpauljohnson@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 11:40:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kpauljohnson@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26651 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 18:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 18:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 18:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 18:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 18:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 18:13:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:13:28 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.187.9.149 From: "kpauljohnson" Subject: Synchronicities and seven year cycles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85941729; y=mm3MwnBMNj6pRdabTMCswrEFGNeSSAkLz6sLPnRrzmhZJSbTOK8u X-Yahoo-Profile: kpauljohnson X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43470 Greetings theos-talkers, Friday was my last day of work, so as a retiree I'm now able to=20 devote some time to online fora. Last week also marked the=20 publication of the book I've been working on for quite a while.=20=20 Oddly, I've had the job I just retired from for seven years and also=20 started the book in early 2001. So both the job and the book project=20 suggest the reality of seven year cycles. The publisher has set up a=20 blog for me, which I've just started to work on. It does have a=20 newspaper story from last Friday already: http://www.backintyme/kpjohnson and the book is already available both at Barnes and Noble and Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/2j58wt http://tinyurl.com/2uyhev The only thing theosophically relevant about the new book is=20 that "universal brotherhood" really can be treated as a fact in=20 nature and not just an ideal-- through DNA testing. Our genetic=20 kinship with fellow humans and all other living beings can be=20 measured by increasingly precise instruments.=20=20 Paul From kpauljohnson@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 15:32:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kpauljohnson@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52950 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 22:26:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 22:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 22:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 22:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 22:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 22:26:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:26:02 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.187.9.149 From: "kpauljohnson" Subject: Blog address corrected X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85941729; y=etQ9VF3mLTbgu57biHR3hIb9XBn8L3uRvlWQ2Em1_3Tzod0sjbEx X-Yahoo-Profile: kpauljohnson X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43471 http://www.backintyme.com/kpjohnson From silva_cass@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 17:03:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56828 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.114) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:03:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6675 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 00:03:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IOhSGzQVM1lt3mbYZhVpgp9fPS1B2.FqTCPX.dbQdVI0dzuNFIavnUpmqYvFSrnjEuHQiL2luB0GYrocrRbgunME3Cn5ONB3EzvrYPfOuUWHf7UZcv1Y32II5UtUiqrh_OWVRj7R69aaMNBfB_E- X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:03:21 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:03:21 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2DE4324E-FA69-4ED0-A454-5A3964055EE1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <394278.415.qm@web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re:2012 Enigma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=6JSIlYRK24EZAGxPK3JiqohfaaCZqN8VgQm0vpZMnrL4cU1tPg X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43472 I believe this is what David Willcox is saying, that the Chakras represent different levels of consciousness and the process of collapsing the shakras into the unfied nested spheres we reach a channel to the centre, or wormgate through which other planes of existence (psychic and spiritual dimensions) are accessible. He says, that the organ in the body, if not ossified, is through the pineal gland, which explains to me how after an accident or NDE the pineal gland must function as the silver cord connecting us to universal consciousness. If anyone listened to the video I posted,"I survived a Stroke" also gives a fascinating overview of how we are still aware when our left hemisphere has closed down. Cass Leon Maurer wrote: Hi all, Check out the diagram of the chakra fields as described in the ABC model of cosmogenesis**, that conforms perfectly with the cosmology of the Book of Dzyan, and is useful as a visualization when practicing the meditative system outlined in Patanjali's (Rajah) Yoga Aphorisms coupled with the Voice of the Silence -- which, taken together, are almost identical to the Esoteric meditative system described by Brian -- (which is more like a tantric version of kundalini yoga). **See, ABC theory of cosmogenesis and illustrations at: http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13 and http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/THOTH_IN_DIAMOND_SAMADHI.jpg http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.gif Note the analogous relationship between the 8 inner chakra field complex (and it's two higher fields of Atma-Buddhi centered in the eye chakra) related to the physical body's overall spiritual field (centered in the heart chakra) -- and the 8 fields (and its two higher fields of atma-buddhi centered above the brahma chakra) related to the astral body's spiritual field (centered in the naval chakra) and linked, analogously, to the physical body's heart chakra. (Essentially, all zero-point centers of consciousness throughout the body (cellular, etc,) are entangled with the center of global self consciousness located in the naval chakra point.) This analogous and corresponding relationship is the basis of "As above, so below" -- which holographically extends and applies up to and through the entire cosmos and every sentient being in it. Thus at the primal beginning, the sleeping (pralaya) cosmos had its circumference everywhere (spinergy) and its center (consciousness) nowhere. And, after manifestation (manvantara) it is just the reverse. It follows, as the Buddha said, that both consciousness and matter are "dependently arising" out of "sunyata" or emptiness (of form or being). Therefore "sunyata" is just as real as everything that stems from it Since visualization is centered in the pineal or eye chakra, meditating on and understanding these relationships will aid in visualizing the ultimate merger of all the higher monadic (atma- buddhi-manas) zero-point chakra centers of the physical, astral, mental, spiritual bodies, and the corresponding solar bodies, galactic bodies, etc. When all these higher chakra field's zero point centers are correlated (merged) between the three human bodies, along with the corresponding solar and cosmic (monad chakra field) bodies and the total unity of the self with all selves is realized -- samadhi (enlightenment) is experienced, and at-one-ment of the body, mind and soul with the conscious Laya point source of all, is achieved. Remember that the holographic *information* for the structure of all these bodies, is stored everywhere in every zero-point "spinergy" center of every chakra field. This state corresponds with the "union" of the body's male and female energies... But such a rajah yoga meditative method can -- by visualization alone solely through the higher mind -- directly lift our consciousness from the physical plane to the spiritual plane, along with the automatic control of the breath, and the flow of chi energy through the "Nadi" channels.. Although there's nothing wrong with assisting this flow by placing the tongue against the roof of the mouth... Although no physical or tantric "positions" or special "breathing" are necessary for the dedicated rajah yoga meditator. ;-) BTW, such a "meditation with a seed," as taught by Patanjali, can be carried out anywhere, at any time, so long as one can close off all distracting sensory and mental images, operate the body under auto pilot, and concentrate on the mental visualizations alone... Although I wouldn't do it while crossing streets or driving in heavy traffic. ;-) Hope this helps. Best wishes, Leon Maurer On Apr 4, 2008, at 4/4/085:03 PM, brian scanlon wrote: > The Turanian Ancestral Taoist system -(a version of > the pre-Aryan/Atlantian system (Which the Aryan system > is the "Pre-Vedic system") developed and evolved by the > Turanians, teaches that the "Chakras" are actualy > united into one large Chakra, when one opens the > "Microcosmic orbit" (which is connecting the two most > important of the "8 Mysterious Vessels/Channels" and > increasing the flow of "Chi' within it) - > > The Microcosmic orbit is a core component of Turanian > Alchemy, and a very very important aspect of the > Esoteric System, which is missing from many of the > surviving national branchs, and/or it was re-imported > into modern systems, during the 1600-1800's. It is > essentialy a path bisecting the body in half, along > the center line of the body.It starts on the front of > the body within the tongue, than travels down the > chest to the groin, back to the tail bone, up the > spine, to the top of the head, ending in the roof of > the mouth, which when the tongue is placed there, > completes the "Circuit" for the Etheric/Pranic energy > to flow freely. It is Ovoid Shape, and is a > microcosmic version of the Macroscosmic "Cosmic Egg". > > The most interesting point, is that when the > Microcosmic path is opened fully, the chakras unite > into one strong Chakra field. At this time true > spiritual resurection can be practised and the Male > and Female energies of the Body can be united. At this > point, the body becomes a Neutral pole, or a Laya > Center as we say in Theosophy, or Zero point. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From professorjaya@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 17:08:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: professorjaya@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22350 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) (76.13.9.56) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:08:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23884 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 00:08:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x6flHQgVM1lkUQoJffQTnBueBO63qp1d6k.E4jpv X-Received: from [198.188.96.2] by web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:08:48 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:08:48 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <592253.23699.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 76.13.9.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jayananda Hiranandani Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Mahabharata on-line resource X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=136023466; y=tgM2d-ZZMPR2rBHSeiFA7oVEr5PXD0amo99pIwzGrssZxmn5lUwXTA X-Yahoo-Profile: professorjaya Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43473 Dear Geraldine: I suggest the following. www.wikipedia.org Dr. Besant has written it as a book. It is "Mahabharata Story of the Great War". >From your email address, you seem to be Australia. I do not know in which part of Australia you are. You may try to find it one of of the T.S. Libraries. Also, you may wish to explore www.abebooks.com to buy a used copy. Thanks. Yours cordially, Jayananda H. Hiranandani nhcareyta wrote: Dear Geraldine Here is a link which might be of help: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/maha/index.htm Regards Nigel --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "geraldine pecorella" wrote: > > Dear Brothers& Sisters,Where is the best place to download stories of > the Mahabharata? > Thanks Geraldine > --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 17:43:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28304 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.110) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:43:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62343 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 00:43:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zuykhaMVM1mKi9vSmtZCONMpvMV.F1jtedaufSLYgA3EoRO2nLJ4X5ZMIJQleSwoXGzgujqaGQwtGV..mIBJUs3pkQ.aMoYMbAVX X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:43:15 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:43:15 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <765465.62089.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Synchronicities and seven year cycles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=O2zrSKUkxZdU-c104sXIb8jFxZZUAd078ZdRxGtxYZsheGkoiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43474 Good to have you back on board Paul, Cass kpauljohnson wrote: Greetings theos-talkers, Friday was my last day of work, so as a retiree I'm now able to devote some time to online fora. Last week also marked the publication of the book I've been working on for quite a while. Oddly, I've had the job I just retired from for seven years and also started the book in early 2001. So both the job and the book project suggest the reality of seven year cycles. The publisher has set up a blog for me, which I've just started to work on. It does have a newspaper story from last Friday already: http://www.backintyme/kpjohnson and the book is already available both at Barnes and Noble and Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/2j58wt http://tinyurl.com/2uyhev The only thing theosophically relevant about the new book is that "universal brotherhood" really can be treated as a fact in nature and not just an ideal-- through DNA testing. Our genetic kinship with fellow humans and all other living beings can be measured by increasingly precise instruments. Paul --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Mon Apr 07 18:48:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14091 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 01:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 01:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 01:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d66.28faf208 (37528) for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:46:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-db06 (webmail-db06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.71]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB011-929847face798; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:46:33 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:46:33 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.217.171.151 In-Reply-To: <765465.62089.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35790-STANDARD X-Received: from 69.217.171.151 by webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:46:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA67318209E69A-147C-1F0D@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Synchronicities and seven year cycles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=NLfeSO7EfpUukVQPftcc20yqqQO-JcjlENZy9zhNVjrs20McVw X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43475 Yes, it is good to have you back and we can't wait to see what kind of trouble this book will get you into. And yes, I'm having fun. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 7:43 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World Synchronicities and seven year cycles Good to have you back on board Paul, Cass kpauljohnson wrote: Greetings theos-talkers, Friday was my last day of work, so as a retiree I'm now able to devote some time to online fora. Last week also marked the publication of the book I've been working on for quite a while. Oddly, I've had the job I just retired from for seven years and also started the book in early 2001. So both the job and the book project suggest the reality of seven year cycles. The publisher has set up a blog for me, which I've just started to work on. It does have a newspaper story from last Friday already: http://www.backintyme/kpjohnson and the book is already available both at Barnes and Noble and Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/2j58wt http://tinyurl.com/2uyhev The only thing theosophically relevant about the new book is that "universal brotherhood" really can be treated as a fact in nature and not just an ideal-- through DNA testing. Our genetic kinship with fellow humans and all other living beings can be measured by increasingly precise instruments. Paul --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kpauljohnson@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 19:30:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kpauljohnson@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11228 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 02:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 02:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 02:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 02:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 02:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 02:30:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:30:31 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <765465.62089.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.187.9.149 From: "kpauljohnson" Subject: Documentary on HPB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85941729; y=taviBlSOH4wDpcPsORxhXqCVCcnvxs6lB07i6G-1QwwNtLbSzdK8 X-Yahoo-Profile: kpauljohnson X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43476 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Good to have you back on board Paul, > Cass >=20 Thanks, Cass, I appreciate that. You might be interested in knowing=20 about the Canadian TV documentary on HPB that aired in January. I was=20 featured along with James Santucci, Marion Meade, and Will Thackara.=20=20 Here's an intro clip: http://www.visiontv.ca/Enigma/blavatsky_video.html I would hope any admirer of HPB finds the episode interesting and well=20 done. There is a post online (not from the producers but a third=20 party) saying that Reel Time Images will sell these episodes of the=20 Enigma series for $19.95 plus shipping, but I can't find any evidence=20 they are available yet. From mkr777@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 20:33:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65691 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 03:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 03:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 03:33:34 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id j58so1386050hsj.6 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.42.4 with SMTP id p4mr11856820anp.118.1207625614610; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.168.10 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:33:34 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MKR Subject: Re: Theos-World Synchronicities and seven year cycles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=3aaQJLLbMcFpR0Y33IwWrD1XaTnBDJvP0I0Ro8S18cy1vFMnFOw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43477 You should consider yourselves lucky. Many do not retire and work on until they are physically unable to do. Look forward to your further participation here. mkr On 4/7/08, kpauljohnson wrote: > > Greetings theos-talkers, > > Friday was my last day of work, so as a retiree I'm now able to > devote some time to online fora. Last week also marked the > publication of the book I've been working on for quite a while. > Oddly, I've had the job I just retired from for seven years and also > started the book in early 2001. So both the job and the book project > suggest the reality of seven year cycles. The publisher has set up a > blog for me, which I've just started to work on. It does have a > newspaper story from last Friday already: > > http://www.backintyme/kpjohnson > > and the book is already available both at Barnes and Noble and Amazon: > > http://tinyurl.com/2j58wt > > http://tinyurl.com/2uyhev > > The only thing theosophically relevant about the new book is > that "universal brotherhood" really can be treated as a fact in > nature and not just an ideal-- through DNA testing. Our genetic > kinship with fellow humans and all other living beings can be > measured by increasingly precise instruments. > > Paul > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 07:37:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67283 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 14:36:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 14:36:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 14:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:36:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:36:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:36:33 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Radha's reading on science in Helsinki X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=c_YclrfTgaht2YnSZnrHpSv_D_NoR6CyHcjneg88tx6rVXICDQvieqp5sUs6u_Y X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43478 To be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DK6-bPn3tiNA From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 07:47:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37503 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 14:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 14:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 14:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:45:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:45:44 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: intervieuw with Radha 9 min,video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=muyGpY7N1eN2R9wrRHEuqltVf9uk8XzGPyMJmtLCwJ7RPyHwxRxKbtEYqNJU6WU X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43479 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdJ1kQP2WAq8&feature=3Drelated From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Tue Apr 08 10:20:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26761 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 17:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 17:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx05.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.25) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 17:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from 56341115.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.17.21] helo=khidr) by mx05.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1JjHP1-0000h6-0R for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:14:35 +0200 Message-ID: <00b001c8999c$0f823ac0$15113456@khidr> To: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:14:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Earth in crisis, warns NASA's top climate scientist X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=NHKO-LsfcWGqxhTnh-8DnvitVFJ6CSXmRMyNylZAFatZ X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43480 To all readers My views are: Here is a part of a very recent article. A part of it is very interesting to digest. Earth in crisis, warns NASA's top climate scientist "Global warming has plunged the planet into a crisis and the fossil fuel industries are trying to hide the extent of the problem from the public, NASA's top climate scientist says." " "We've already reached the dangerous level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere," James Hansen, 67, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, told AFP here. "But there are ways to solve the problem" of heat-trapping greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, which Hansen said has reached the "tipping point" of 385 parts per million. In a paper he was submitting to Science magazine on Monday, Hansen calls for phasing out all coal-fired plants by 2030, taxing their emissions until then, and banning the building of new plants unless they are designed to trap and segregate the carbon dioxide they emit. The major obstacle to saving the planet from its inhabitants is not technology, insisted Hansen, named one of the world's 100 most influential people in 2006 by Time magazine. "The problem is that 90 percent of energy is fossil fuels. And that is such a huge business, it has permeated our government," he maintained. "What's become clear to me in the past several years is that both the executive branch and the legislative branch are strongly influenced by special fossil fuel interests," he said, referring to the providers of coal, oil and natural gas and the energy industry that burns them. " http://www.physorg.com/news126761406.html M. Sufilight [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Tue Apr 08 14:21:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69807 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 21:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 21:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.245) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 21:21:14 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id x43so1898121hsb.0 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:21:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.248.9 with SMTP id v9mr2417801anh.86.1207689674009; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:21:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.168.10 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:21:13 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MKR Subject: Re: Theos-World Radha's reading on science in Helsinki X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=aBodvdJ8C_KFI2pz0sOBaFt2yMhl45VBzJCNj_xK3UPPMWNSGuE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43481 thanks On 4/8/08, christinaleestemaker wrote: > > To be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6-bPn3tiNA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mvandertak@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 14:32:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mvandertak@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61420 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 21:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 21:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 21:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 21:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 21:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 21:32:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:32:35 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <426047.25669.qm@web23411.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 212.127.190.196 From: "Martin" Subject: Theos-World Re: Music, the language of the Soul X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38276385; y=XRJOwdlHVLfN9xLKbLPFRw0xx_ez3EmKXneLWAW11i66DWvqxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mvandertak X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43482 It's not ready as of yet but to get an idea for now, check out the=20 DVD Gypsy Caravan: trailer here: http://www.a-film.nl/trailer.php?id=3D1560 This movie showed me more brotherhood in 2 hours, than I have shared=20 the last 30 years with theosophists... --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Antonio/Tony None=20 wrote: > > Yes, absoloutly. >=20 > Martin wrote: Yes will=20 link you to it when its readx. My friend is > jewish btw and he respects the work of the others. So > only if they agree I will give it free...:-) >=20=20 > --- Antonio/Tony None > wrote: >=20=20 > > Any chance of a listen? I am working with a lot of > > arabic sounds at the minute. Would be interesting to > > hear what its all about! > >=20 > > Cheers. > >=20 > > Martin wrote: = =20 > > I just got this email from a friend, > > which proves to me, music has no=20 > > prejudice :-) > >=20=20 > > Hello friends, > >=20=20=20 > > As you know I live in Israel, the 2 weeks I'm > > Mixing here (here=20 > > means at my studio) > > a new disk for an Arab Palestinian, a great guy,=20 > > and a very good=20 > > musician !! > > Most of the music was recorded in Amman (Jordan)=20 > > some of the=20 > > musician playing there > > were brought specaially from Egyps (as they are > > playing authentic=20 > > rare arab instruments) > > some tracks recorded in Nazareth, no one of the > > musicians (exept of=20 > > the guy I'm working with) > > knows a thing about the other musicians - and of > > caurse how the music=20 > > will come out - as each Musician was playing only > > with 1 instrument=20 > > prerecorded as a guide line.. > > I must say it's very special, all the > > situation,from all=20 > > aspects..... and so is the music !!!! > >=20=20 > >=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > = =20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! for Good helps you make a difference > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >=20 > >=20 >=20=20 > __________________________________________________________ > No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal=20 for Yahoo! users and friends.=20 > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com >=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > = =20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > A Smarter Inbox. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From silva_cass@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 15:41:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53040 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 22:41:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 22:41:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.115) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 22:41:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12814 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 22:41:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NaykWk8VM1njkH5jMbi669amHa3TtLyfMdT0iNmTo2z1QuZdeJJKVJUwFJYOfukpjf8fERKCyX_mSPigETu94EpQdutyUOYYRM4k2Tk6X6DwCFXGzYQ1.6.a9pCoBZeqXC7m.BW2NWRrKJqciK1Qn0cpiw-- X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:41:44 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:41:44 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <434589.12653.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Documentary on HPB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=ozB0Mi9OVk0yOq2UWDrxoqhqx84fU4gU4S-IwlkgV_6qvz3pkw X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43483 Cheers Paul, will check it out. Cass kpauljohnson wrote: --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Good to have you back on board Paul, > Cass > Thanks, Cass, I appreciate that. You might be interested in knowing about the Canadian TV documentary on HPB that aired in January. I was featured along with James Santucci, Marion Meade, and Will Thackara. Here's an intro clip: http://www.visiontv.ca/Enigma/blavatsky_video.html I would hope any admirer of HPB finds the episode interesting and well done. There is a post online (not from the producers but a third party) saying that Reel Time Images will sell these episodes of the Enigma series for $19.95 plus shipping, but I can't find any evidence they are available yet. --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:25:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20623 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:25:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:25:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.104) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:25:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77737 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 00:25:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KV_Vj8EVM1n1DzVdmxOI5BIsne7RyJjVdh8c.fvSAH7ezY0sOMatIpArH9EBeWN_XJ8kjZboyKVp0i6fmzFhr54luf9ma.P5r8RQaqr9iUOo3D29tJqaBvPsQdqhqoGmQy8q.R4JRkSFIlI- X-Received: from [122.108.1.82] by web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:25:26 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:25:26 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <982501.77676.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Radha's reading on science in Helsinki X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=2J08VL-aiLhyZYetAEWGKgEUvQu34sG71yJw1aT-u3MjpZNb1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43484 Thanks Christina, I find her very hard to hear, but she doesn't seem to be saying anything new. Cass christinaleestemaker wrote: To be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6-bPn3tiNA --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Tue Apr 08 19:43:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95929 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 02:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 02:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 02:43:05 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so849429ana.82 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:43:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.172.16 with SMTP id u16mr13278192ane.29.1207708984992; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.168.10 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:43:04 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <982501.77676.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <982501.77676.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MKR Subject: Re: Theos-World Radha's reading on science in Helsinki X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=q_JWzXfE2kRGyoklB-Yt85lHOE_jzE9GOoVD8spVDkZkOxUrK2I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43485 Have not you heard that there is nothing new under the Sun! mkr On 4/8/08, Cass Silva wrote: > > Thanks Christina, > I find her very hard to hear, but she doesn't seem to be saying anything > new. > Cass > > christinaleestemaker > > wrote: > To be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6-bPn3tiNA > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From semockr@hotmail.com Tue Apr 08 20:13:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: semockr@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67045 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 03:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 03:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 03:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 03:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 03:13:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:13:47 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <277759.72064.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.18.24 From: "Richard Semock" Subject: Theos-World Re: The US Constitution - A Midsummer Nights Dream X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68064314; y=9e7o0Qypz-RxdopzxDhK903ma0PaXoondCakoWpf2TG8Sw X-Yahoo-Profile: semockr X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 43486 Speaking of casting stones, name one European or middle eastern=20 country that wasnt formed by grabbing the land from someone who was=20 there first. They continued this pattern in the Americas until now=20 everyone is a holier-than-thou bunch of reformed drunks chasing after=20 escaped Nazis, and an assortment of dictators who step across the=20 line today. Genghis Khan who hailed from central Asia was the greatest of the=20 ethnic cleansers tho who it is said left heaps of bones across=20 Europe. Where do you think the Europeans got the idea, right from=20 your Chinese friends who are still doing it today to their own people=20 in the form of organ harvesting of the Falun Gong or to others such=20 as the Tibetans and this is only the tip of the iceberg. --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Richard, people in glass houses, should not throw stones as the old=20 saying goes. I am not an American and I am totally unfamiliar with=20 your constitution, but I was referrring to Free Speech not the=20 freedom of religious beliefs. The freedom of religious beliefs were=20 made at a time when there was only two religions operating in the=20 west, christianity and protestanism. Salem showed that religious=20 beliefs were strictly christian beliefs. >=20=20=20=20 > For the record, I do not support China's actions in Tibet, as=20 much as I do not support the horrors perpetrated by the christian=20 settlers on the American Indians. But there is no hypocricy with the=20 Chinese, they do not hide behind a constitution that is constantly=20 set up as the ideal and at the same time flagrantly crushes those=20 ideals.=20 >=20=20=20=20 > Cass > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of=20 religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the=20 freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people=20 peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress=20 of grievances. >=20=20=20=20 > After World War I, several cases involving laws limiting speech=20 came before the Supreme Court. The Espionage Act of 1917 imposed a=20 maximum sentence of twenty years for anyone who caused or attempted=20 to cause "insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty in=20 the military or naval forces of the United States." Under the Act,=20 over two thousand prosecutions were commenced. For instance, one=20 filmmaker was sentenced to ten years imprisonment because his=20 portrayal of British soldiers in a movie about the American=20 Revolution impugned the good faith of an American ally, the United=20 Kingdom. The Sedition Act of 1918 went even further,=20 criminalizing "disloyal," "scurrilous" or "abusive" language against=20 the government. > in 1968, the Court upheld a law prohibiting the mutilation of=20 draft cards in United States v. O'Brien 391 U.S. 367 (1968). The=20 Court ruled that protesters could not burn draft cards because doing=20 so would interfere with the "smooth and efficient functioning" of the=20 draft system. Then again, in 1971, the court found that a person=20 could not be punished for wearing, in the corridors of the Los=20 Angeles county Courthouse, a jacket reading "Fuck the Draft," Cohen=20 v. California (403 U.S. 15). > In 1969, the Supreme Court ruled that free speech rights extended=20 to students in school while deciding Tinker v. Des Moines Independent=20 Community School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969). The case involved=20 several students who were punished for wearing black arm-bands to=20 protest the Vietnam War. The Supreme Court ruled that the school=20 could not restrict symbolic speech that did not cause undue=20 interruptions of school activities. Justice Abe Fortas=20 wrote, "schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. School=20 officials do not possess absolute authority over their students.=20 Students...are possessed of fundamental rights which the State must=20 respect, just as they themselves must respect their obligations to=20 the State." The decision was arguably overruled, or at least=20 undermined, by Bethel School District v. Fraser 478 U.S. 675 (1986),=20 in which the Court held a student could be punished for his speech=20 before a public assembly. > Also in 1969, the Court decided the landmark Brandenburg v. Ohio,=20 395 U.S. 444 (1969) , which overruled Whitney v. California 274 U.S.=20 357 (1927), a case in which a woman was imprisoned for aiding the=20 Communist Party. Brandenburg effectively swept away Dennis as well,=20 casting the right to speak freely of violent action and revolution in=20 broad terms: "[Our] decisions have fashioned the principle that the=20 constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit=20 a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law=20 violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or=20 producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce=20 such action." Some claim that Brandenburg essentially sets forth a=20 reworded "clear and present danger" test, but the accuracy of such=20 statements is hard to judge. The Court has never heard or decided a=20 case involving seditious speech since Brandenburg was handed down. > The federal government and the states have long been permitted to=20 restrict obscenity or pornography. While obscenity generally has no=20 protection under the First Amendment, pornography is subject to=20 little regulation. The exact definition of obscenity and pornography,=20 however, has changed over time. > When it decided Rosen v. United States in 1896, the Supreme Court=20 adopted the same obscenity standard as had been articulated in a=20 famous British case, Regina v. Hicklin. The Hicklin standard defined=20 material as obscene if it tended "to deprave or corrupt those whose=20 minds are open to such immoral influences, and into whose hands a=20 publication of this sort may fall." In 1957, the Court ruled in Roth=20 v. United States that the Hicklin test was inappropriate. Instead,=20 the Roth test for obscenity was "whether to the average person,=20 applying contemporary community standards, the dominant theme of the=20 material, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest." > In 1964 Justice Potter Stewart, in Jacobellis v. Ohio, famously=20 stated that, although he could not precisely define pornography, "I=20 know it when I see it." >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Richard Semock wrote: >=20 > If you are refering to the 1st amendment right in the US=20 > constitution, your proposal would be a poor test of it. It falls=20 into=20 > the class of endangering speech such as crying fire! in a crowded=20 > ballet performance and would not be deemed a freedom.=20 >=20 > Now if you want to say something like this to the CCP potentates in=20 > Tibet, then that would be another matter entirely and one worthy of=20 > support. >=20 > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > > We can test the 'ideal' or notion of freedom of speech, by=20 telling=20 > a Judge or a Policemen to get f*****. > > Cass > >=20 > > Drpsionic@ wrote: > > It's an ideal that has the force of law behind it in the=20 > US.? If an athlete is actually disciplined by the US Olympic=20 > committee, he can probably sue for consipiracy to violate his civil=20 > rights and given the way the courts rule in such matters, collect=20 > significant damages. > >=20 > > We upset the apple cart all the time around here. > >=20 > > Chuck the Heretic > >=20 > > http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cass Silva > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 7:08 pm > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Are China facing the Law of Karma? > >=20 > > So much for freedom of speech eh! My mother told me years ago=20 that=20 > freedom of speech is just an ideal, it doesn't exist in the real=20 > world. It's a nice idea but upset the apple cart and you will be=20 > regarded as a bad apple and dealt with appropriately. The ideal of=20 > national security has taken away all our personal freedoms. We have=20 a=20 > new nose on an old face, democracy mimicking communism. Democracy=20 > invents a reason, doesn't matter if it is true or false, communism=20 > promised a better way of life.=20 > >=20 > > Cass > >=20 > > Cass > >=20 > > Drpsionic@ wrote: > >=20 > > The IOC has placed restrictions on what the athletes can say at=20 > olympic events, however, at least as far as the US is concerned, I=20 > would not be surprised if Congress passes a bill forbidding the US=20 > olympic committee from enforcing any restrictions on what US=20 athletes=20 > might say in protest and that would also block any disciplinary=20 > action by the IOC as well as the US olympic committee would have to=20 > enforce those. > >=20 > > Chuck the Heretic > >=20 >