From Mvandertak@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 00:27:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mvandertak@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12854 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 08:27:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 08:27:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.212) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 08:27:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82983 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2008 08:27:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uMStlTsVM1lL0cujaodedxiZYd41GsZKToZt3juewrRiHE4FUNh3V2.1r9rV0.juiHCxe.u8Ju5W8FlkHNQvqNsUCmKQNBAffO8wbdRrU05LLJa0gvI- X-Received: from [212.127.190.196] by web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:27:48 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:27:48 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <020120080047.24673.47A26C290001A1C7000060612216527966CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <18845.77872.qm@web52609.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Martin Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38276385; y=h_PQwBqV4oCRPNEHd2OO7ipqIyWvwuBmAuaf7CJ2anPkV-_A4A X-Yahoo-Profile: mvandertak X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42745 Interesting you taped the projected planes, did you also tape the guy who was beaming them up into the sky? Theosophy is also about investigating natural phenomena, so the topic suits in this forum. But Theosphy is not about experimenting with natural phenomena if others are affected in their willing. --- Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote: > Cass, > I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and > have it all on video live. These people are nuts and > so are you for drinking their poison so willingly > and without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see > this allowed on this Forum!!! > John > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Cass Silva > From Andrew Johnson (UK): > > > PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON EFFECT > PARALLEL > > > http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- > see-wtc-hutchiso n-effect- parallel. html > Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel > 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - In > two appearances on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio > Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by Author and > Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy > Wood, a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, > and John Hutchison, experimental scientist, > discussed how photographic and video evidence > suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers > were destroyed using Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). > Many of the observed effects resemble those seen in > John Hutchison's experiments. > > In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on > her website (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ), > which relates effects seen in photographs taken > before, during and after the destruction of the WTC > complex, to effects seen in Hutchison's ongoing > experiments. Wood and Hutchison co-authored the > study. > > John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and > experimental scientist who has been working with > "field effects" for almost 30 years. The Hutchison > Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered > accidentally by John Hutchison in 1979 during > attempts to reproduce the work of Nikola Tesla. > Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic > sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume of > space where the beams intersect and interfere. The > results are levitation of heavy objects, fusion of > dissimilar materials such as metal and wood, > anomalous melting (without heating) of metals > without burning adjacent material, spontaneous > fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in a > sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent > changes in the crystalline structure and physical > properties of metal samples. > > Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many times > and the results are recorded on video and have been > included in a number of TV documentaries that focus > on unusual scientific experiments. Hutchison's metal > samples have been repeatedly tested by scientists, > including a group at the Max Planck Institute in > Germany, confirming Hutchison Effects. > > The article by Wood and Hutchison > (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ) documents > effects and events seen in the vicinity of the World > Trade Centre and compares these with observed > characteristics of the Hutchison Effect. > > The observed effects include: > > "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly > damaged cars do not seem to ignite nearby office > paper. Some photos show firefighters walking very > close to or even through the fires. A video by John > Hutchison shows similar looking "fires" on a model > metal boat. > > Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that > Hutchison produced show very unusual effects on > metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies," turning soft > and losing form, leading to severe bending or > fracturing of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt > from the centre and sometimes they turn to dust, > similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. > > Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show > an ongoing reaction, even after the energy field is > removed. This "non-self-quenching" reaction seems to > occur at the nuclear level. This also appears to be > happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study > suggests that the WTC site is still being > "decontaminated," with trucks moving dirt into and > out of the site, while "hosing down operations" > continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson > photographed and recorded on video in January 2008. > > Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the > Hutchison Effect seem to change at a molecular or > even atomic level. This could be the explanation for > the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel rusts > like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual > effects on the aluminium cladding used on the twin > towers that look similar to effects produced on > Hutchison's aluminum samples. > > Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two Ambrose > Lane shows, "We Ourselves," and discussed the > similarities between the WTC event and the > experimental evidence produced by the Hutchison > Effect. "I have been collecting data over the last > year and a half or so and I have found these > distinct and unusual characteristics, which I have > given names such as 'fuming' and 'toasted' cars ¡V I > have even noticed flipped cars in some pictures," > said Wood. "In some cases, the flipped cars are > sitting next to trees that are fully covered with > leaves." > > "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big > explosions or 'wind' from the towers coming down," > asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay on the > trees?" Material scientist George Hathaway observes > that the Hutchison Effect causes either lift or > disruption of the material itself. Lift explains the > flipped cars. (http://drjudywood. com/pdf/Hutchiso > nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) > > In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed > "spontaneous combustion" where "fires appeared out > of nowhere." He also confirmed that Col. John > Alexander and others from the U.S. military visited > him in 1983 and filmed his experiments with a team > from Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL). > (http://www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/ wpfw_011808_ > judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chuck Cook and Dr > Lorn A Kuehne of the Canadian Security Intelligence > Service (CSIS) contacted him in 1986 and told him > his work was "a matter of National Security." > (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html) > Hutchison says he's been told that defense > contractor, S.A.I.C., has his technology and has > been developing it. (http://drjudywood. com/media/ > 071212_JohnHutch ison-TruthH. mp3 ) > > Asked about ongoing dirt removal and hosing down at > the WTC complex, Hutchison commented, "I think there > is an ongoing reaction or 'infection.'" Wood noted > that the damage done to the Bankers Trust (Deutsche > Bank) building was repaired, but then they decided > to take the building down. This evidence indicates > there is a continuing reaction there. Rusting beams > in the Bankers Trust building and in the temporary > PATH train station also suggest ongoing reactions > too. > > At the end of the first show, a caller said, "This > is a revelation beyond revelations¡Kthis trumps > everything¡KIf this story ever gets out, it will > change the course of the United States' and the > whole world's history." > > Another caller said during the second show, "I am > thinking that these revelations we are hearing this > morning should have the people so excited and so > outraged that they should be flooding the lines to > their congressmen and news people to get this > message out as the number one story of the year." > > For more information please see: > http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/ > http://www.hutchiso neffect.ca/ > > WPFW Related: > http://www.weoursel ves.org/ > http://www.wpfw. org/ > > Audio of interviews: > We Ourselves Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson 14 Jan > 2007.mp3 > We Ourselves Dr J Wood J Hutchison and A Johnson 18 > Jan 2007.mp3 > > > > Phenomenon > "The Hutchison Effect" > Anomalies at the WTC > Weird Fires > > The fires seen near the toasted cars don't seem to > ignite the paper. Some photos show firemen walking > very or even through them. Are they "cold" fires? > > JJ1.html > JJ2.html > > Bent Beams > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 03:19:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5118 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 11:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 11:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 11:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2008 11:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2008 11:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2008 11:19:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:19:07 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA2A706E7F6061-ADC-F81@FWM-D06.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.149.244.165 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Theosophy in Persian language: correction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=SEkP_Z5k606rOCEkKfhuJfJP2A6zHFC2XEu68mgPpp2ulkww X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42746 The previously announced page on the site of the Greek Section in now=20 closed as the Section decided that it shouldn't keep on its site any=20 materials which they cannot understand. 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From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Fri Feb 01 10:43:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37117 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 18:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 18:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.16) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 18:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kBLm1Y0020FhH24A10ZL00; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:43:05 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.225.102]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kJj81Y0072DAzYU8U00000; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:43:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=UDKMrEUKCQyG/55tQ5TiBA==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=MtOWZNxP2eQvshIgYiAA:9 a=VLP0HcBKkRgjLfh2MT0A:7 a=AvZskySogjHBc6947KCyvqbyj_UA:4 a=CCR1Fr53SjMA:10 a=FrIxX7-FULcA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=nDWFAeyyStMA:10 a=X87ArKFndBgA:10 a=cQXq8SIbTJAA:10 a=vNGxQsTWjH8A:10 a=4VjhnMWFAAAA:8 a=Xr5hIyaWAAAA:8 a=1Ia5rBeJAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=CF1WJvDbAAAA:8 a=s3Jt3Lww6WLYRVjaUtAA:9 a=muErNpfo3Dk5PP-qWiIA:7 a=HKLEkDeWfxj9Pq2KCB3rq63X2OkA:4 a=JHGorsmrRLgA:10 a=rnjSDB93LHIA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [67.166.128.78] by amailcenter02.comcast.net; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:43:06 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:43:06 +0000 Message-Id: <020120081843.3044.47A3683A000B39B500000BE42216525806CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=ht5mCBARMt2bBWLObTxwxXzS_-dFLzpVAUcDg3iyVZp9Sl134jtuIGt4yOEzsH7w X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42747 Martin, Find a good psychiatric resource. They weren't projections, it wasn't beam= ed energy, it wasn't U. S. Navy bombers with missiles attached, it wasn't p= redeployed explosives in the buildings, it wasn't the CIA, it wasn't a UFO,= it wasn't natural phenomena, it wasn't a conspiracy by the American Govern= ment, it wasn't the Jews and the Builderbergers, it wasn't---------- Are you getting the message? Grow up and somehow become a Human being. How = easily you ignore the deaths of so many innocent wonderful productive peopl= e. Shame on you and all your kind forever. You care nothing for the five Ch= ildren's Nursery's that were in the Twin Towers and the children who were m= urdered. You care nothing for the hundreds of brave self-sacrificing Public= Servants, Firemen, Priests, Engineers,Professionals in all walks of life. = And you care nothing for the passengers on the airplanes that were hijacked= , The baby's, children, husbands, wives, fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts = and uncles and cousins who all had their lives, their futures, their hopes = and dreams, their loves and all they cherish torn away without consent or a= greement by the most immoral degenerate foul pestilence on this earth. Ove= r 500 Firemen died there and they will forever be remembered by any good Am= erican and the larger part of the rest of the world. Even in our enemies co= untries people wept w hile you jumped in joy and grinned your evil smile how proud you must feel.= Cantor Corp. in one of the two Towers lost 770 people who were all person= al friends and deeply loved by the Founder who hired all of them and cheris= hed each and every one of them. It took years and billions of dollars to search and find the scattered to= rn fragments of all the lost beloved people who perished in the Twin Towers= . Soulless and without merit is the cast you have found yourself in what ho= pe do you have? John=20=20 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: Martin =20 Interesting you taped the projected planes, did you also tape the guy who was beaming them up into the sky? Theosophy is also about investigating natural phenomena, so the topic suits in this forum. But Theosphy is not about experimenting with natural phenomena if others are affected in their willing. --- Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote: > Cass, > I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and > have it all on video live. These people are nuts and > so are you for drinking their poison so willingly > and without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see > this allowed on this Forum!!! > John >=20 > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > From: Cass Silva =20 > From Andrew Johnson (UK): >=20 >=20 > PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON EFFECT > PARALLEL >=20 >=20 > http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- > see-wtc-hutchiso n-effect- parallel. html > Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel=20 > 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - In > two appearances on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio > Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by Author and > Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy > Wood, a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, > and John Hutchison, experimental scientist, > discussed how photographic and video evidence > suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers > were destroyed using Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). > Many of the observed effects resemble those seen in > John Hutchison's experiments. >=20 > In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on > her website (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ), > which relates effects seen in photographs taken > before, during and after the destruction of the WTC > complex, to effects seen in Hutchison's ongoing > experiments. Wood and Hutchison co-authored the > study. >=20 > John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and > experimental scientist who has been working with > "field effects" for almost 30 years. The Hutchison > Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered > accidentally by John Hutchison in 1979 during > attempts to reproduce the work of Nikola Tesla. > Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic > sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume of > space where the beams intersect and interfere. The > results are levitation of heavy objects, fusion of > dissimilar materials such as metal and wood, > anomalous melting (without heating) of metals > without burning adjacent material, spontaneous > fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in a > sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent > changes in the crystalline structure and physical > properties of metal samples.=20 >=20 > Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many times > and the results are recorded on video and have been > included in a number of TV documentaries that focus > on unusual scientific experiments. Hutchison's metal > samples have been repeatedly tested by scientists, > including a group at the Max Planck Institute in > Germany, confirming Hutchison Effects. >=20 > The article by Wood and Hutchison > (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ) documents > effects and events seen in the vicinity of the World > Trade Centre and compares these with observed > characteristics of the Hutchison Effect.=20 >=20 > The observed effects include: >=20 > "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly > damaged cars do not seem to ignite nearby office > paper. Some photos show firefighters walking very > close to or even through the fires. A video by John > Hutchison shows similar looking "fires" on a model > metal boat. >=20 > Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that > Hutchison produced show very unusual effects on > metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies," turning soft > and losing form, leading to severe bending or > fracturing of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt > from the centre and sometimes they turn to dust, > similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. >=20 > Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show > an ongoing reaction, even after the energy field is > removed. This "non-self-quenching" reaction seems to > occur at the nuclear level. This also appears to be > happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study > suggests that the WTC site is still being > "decontaminated," with trucks moving dirt into and > out of the site, while "hosing down operations" > continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson > photographed and recorded on video in January 2008. >=20 > Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the > Hutchison Effect seem to change at a molecular or > even atomic level. This could be the explanation for > the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel rusts > like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual > effects on the aluminium cladding used on the twin > towers that look similar to effects produced on > Hutchison's aluminum samples. >=20 > Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two Ambrose > Lane shows, "We Ourselves," and discussed the > similarities between the WTC event and the > experimental evidence produced by the Hutchison > Effect. "I have been collecting data over the last > year and a half or so and I have found these > distinct and unusual characteristics, which I have > given names such as 'fuming' and 'toasted' cars =A1V I > have even noticed flipped cars in some pictures," > said Wood. "In some cases, the flipped cars are > sitting next to trees that are fully covered with > leaves." >=20 > "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big > explosions or 'wind' from the towers coming down," > asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay on the > trees?" Material scientist George Hathaway observes > that the Hutchison Effect causes either lift or > disruption of the material itself. Lift explains the > flipped cars. (http://drjudywood. com/pdf/Hutchiso > nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) >=20 > In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed > "spontaneous combustion" where "fires appeared out > of nowhere." He also confirmed that Col. John > Alexander and others from the U.S. military visited > him in 1983 and filmed his experiments with a team > from Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL). > (http://www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/ wpfw_011808_ > judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chuck Cook and Dr > Lorn A Kuehne of the Canadian Security Intelligence > Service (CSIS) contacted him in 1986 and told him > his work was "a matter of National Security." > (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html) > Hutchison says he's been told that defense > contractor, S.A.I.C., has his technology and has > been developing it. (http://drjudywood. com/media/ > 071212_JohnHutch ison-TruthH. mp3 ) >=20 > Asked about ongoing dirt removal and hosing down at > the WTC complex, Hutchison commented, "I think there > is an ongoing reaction or 'infection.'" Wood noted > that the damage done to the Bankers Trust (Deutsche > Bank) building was repaired, but then they decided > to take the building down. This evidence indicates > there is a continuing reaction there. Rusting beams > in the Bankers Trust building and in the temporary > PATH train station also suggest ongoing reactions > too. >=20 > At the end of the first show, a caller said, "This > is a revelation beyond revelations=A1Kthis trumps > everything=A1KIf this story ever gets out, it will > change the course of the United States' and the > whole world's history." >=20 > Another caller said during the second show, "I am > thinking that these revelations we are hearing this > morning should have the people so excited and so > outraged that they should be flooding the lines to > their congressmen and news people to get this > message out as the number one story of the year." >=20 > For more information please see: > http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/ > http://www.hutchiso neffect.ca/ >=20 > WPFW Related: > http://www.weoursel ves.org/ > http://www.wpfw. org/ >=20 > Audio of interviews: > We Ourselves Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson 14 Jan > 2007.mp3=20 > We Ourselves Dr J Wood J Hutchison and A Johnson 18 > Jan 2007.mp3=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Phenomenon > "The Hutchison Effect" > Anomalies at the WTC > Weird Fires=20 >=20 > The fires seen near the toasted cars don't seem to > ignite the paper. Some photos show firemen walking > very or even through them. Are they "cold" fires? >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ2.html >=20 > Bent Beams=20 >=20 =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt= =3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ=20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 13:46:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48929 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 21:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 21:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.114) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 21:46:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29121 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2008 21:46:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ITo3Vi4VM1koHJwAFs2Gv8ZOcBusVSFpWsqI1Gn60H2DGMoov_L.guc3_M6CqlmD_ud3MxDHNmRrN5viZb0OUh88Y8zCd2xwMlgHz_ByYO_vgdUKT3VoHjptQVFJvO9b.EvOzw1zgxE.FEs- X-Received: from [58.107.40.201] by web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:46:44 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:46:44 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <020120080047.24673.47A26C290001A1C7000060612216527966CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <584954.28858.qm@web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=Wkdvqbdo55dfU5Pi06aGIh_4o0X8HZvSjf3G9vMXa1pIL5J49A X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42748 Sorry about that John, I posted this because of my interest with the develo= pment of the Tesla technology, which if implemented, will cause massive des= truction in the world. I too wondered about the context as it gave no expl= anation for the existence of the planes and their collision with the towers= . =20=20=20 What happened at the Towers was a tragedy and has caused a domino effect = in terms of tragedy throughout the world. =20=20=20 Cass Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote: Cass, I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and have it all on video live. T= hese people are nuts and so are you for drinking their poison so willingly = and without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see this allowed on this Foru= m!!! John -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: Cass Silva=20 >From Andrew Johnson (UK): PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON EFFECT PARALLEL http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- see-wtc-hutchiso n-effect- para= llel. html Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel=20 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - In two appearances on a Wa= shington DC Pacifica Radio Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by Author and Po= litical Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy Wood, a former Professor= of Mechanical Engineering, and John Hutchison, experimental scientist, dis= cussed how photographic and video evidence suggest that the World Trade Cen= tre (WTC) towers were destroyed using Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). Many o= f the observed effects resemble those seen in John Hutchison's experiments. In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on her website (http://drjud= ywood. com/articles/ JJ), which relates effects seen in photographs taken b= efore, during and after the destruction of the WTC complex, to effects seen= in Hutchison's ongoing experiments. Wood and Hutchison co-authored the stu= dy. John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and experimental scientist who has be= en working with "field effects" for almost 30 years. The Hutchison Effect i= s a collection of phenomena discovered accidentally by John Hutchison in 19= 79 during attempts to reproduce the work of Nikola Tesla. Hutchison uses ra= dio frequency and electrostatic sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a v= olume of space where the beams intersect and interfere. The results are lev= itation of heavy objects, fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and = wood, anomalous melting (without heating) of metals without burning adjacen= t material, spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in = a sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent changes in the crysta= lline structure and physical properties of metal samples.=20 Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many times and the results are rec= orded on video and have been included in a number of TV documentaries that = focus on unusual scientific experiments. Hutchison's metal samples have bee= n repeatedly tested by scientists, including a group at the Max Planck Inst= itute in Germany, confirming Hutchison Effects. The article by Wood and Hutchison (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ) doc= uments effects and events seen in the vicinity of the World Trade Centre an= d compares these with observed characteristics of the Hutchison Effect.=20 The observed effects include: "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly damaged cars do not seem to i= gnite nearby office paper. Some photos show firefighters walking very close= to or even through the fires. A video by John Hutchison shows similar look= ing "fires" on a model metal boat. Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that Hutchison produced show very = unusual effects on metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies," turning soft and= losing form, leading to severe bending or fracturing of the sample. Someti= mes samples erupt from the centre and sometimes they turn to dust, similar = to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show an ongoing reaction, eve= n after the energy field is removed. This "non-self-quenching" reaction see= ms to occur at the nuclear level. This also appears to be happening at Grou= nd Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study suggests that the WTC site is still being "d= econtaminated," with trucks moving dirt into and out of the site, while "ho= sing down operations" continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson photograp= hed and recorded on video in January 2008. Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the Hutchison Effect seem = to change at a molecular or even atomic level. This could be the explanatio= n for the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel rusts like iron. Also, = some photographs show unusual effects on the aluminium cladding used on the= twin towers that look similar to effects produced on Hutchison's aluminum = samples. Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two Ambrose Lane shows, "We Oursel= ves," and discussed the similarities between the WTC event and the experime= ntal evidence produced by the Hutchison Effect. "I have been collecting dat= a over the last year and a half or so and I have found these distinct and u= nusual characteristics, which I have given names such as 'fuming' and 'toas= ted' cars =A1V I have even noticed flipped cars in some pictures," said Woo= d. "In some cases, the flipped cars are sitting next to trees that are full= y covered with leaves." "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big explosions or 'wind' from th= e towers coming down," asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay on the trees= ?" Material scientist George Hathaway observes that the Hutchison Effect ca= uses either lift or disruption of the material itself. Lift explains the fl= ipped cars. (http://drjudywood. com/pdf/Hutchiso nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed "spontaneous combustion" whe= re "fires appeared out of nowhere." He also confirmed that Col. John Alexan= der and others from the U.S. military visited him in 1983 and filmed his ex= periments with a team from Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL). (http:/= /www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/ wpfw_011808_ judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chu= ck Cook and Dr Lorn A Kuehne of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service = (CSIS) contacted him in 1986 and told him his work was "a matter of Nationa= l Security." (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html) Hutchison s= ays he's been told that defense contractor, S.A.I.C., has his technology an= d has been developing it. (http://drjudywood. com/media/ 071212_JohnHutch i= son-TruthH. mp3 ) Asked about ongoing dirt removal and hosing down at the WTC complex, Hutchi= son commented, "I think there is an ongoing reaction or 'infection.'" Wood = noted that the damage done to the Bankers Trust (Deutsche Bank) building wa= s repaired, but then they decided to take the building down. This evidence = indicates there is a continuing reaction there. Rusting beams in the Banker= s Trust building and in the temporary PATH train station also suggest ongoi= ng reactions too. At the end of the first show, a caller said, "This is a revelation beyond r= evelations=A1Kthis trumps everything=A1KIf this story ever gets out, it wil= l change the course of the United States' and the whole world's history." Another caller said during the second show, "I am thinking that these revel= ations we are hearing this morning should have the people so excited and so= outraged that they should be flooding the lines to their congressmen and n= ews people to get this message out as the number one story of the year." For more information please see: http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/ http://www.hutchiso neffect.ca/ WPFW Related: http://www.weoursel ves.org/ http://www.wpfw. org/ Audio of interviews: We Ourselves Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson 14 Jan 2007.mp3=20 We Ourselves Dr J Wood J Hutchison and A Johnson 18 Jan 2007.mp3=20 Phenomenon "The Hutchison Effect" Anomalies at the WTC Weird Fires=20 The fires seen near the toasted cars don't seem to ignite the paper. Some p= hotos show firemen walking very or even through them. Are they "cold" fires= ? JJ1.html JJ2.html Bent Beams=20 Samples that John Hutchison has produced show very unusual effects on the m= etal =A1V sometimes severe bending occurs JJ4.html Jellification=20 Sometimes the metal "jellifies" - other effects are also seen. JJ4.html Thinning, Transmutation,=20 and Rapid Aging=20 > JJ1.html JJ5.html Cars/Lift and Disintegration=20 Some WTC pictures show cars that are upside down. (How?) One of the key eff= ects John Hutchison has reproduced many times is a "levitation" or "anti-gr= avity" effect. Objects are sometimes seen to levitate or if they don't, the= y disintegrate. These effects are seen in this video clip JJ1.html Toasted Metal & Effects A number metal effects have been observed in samples from the WTC and these= show similar features to some of the samples made by John Hutchison JJ1.html Transmutation=20 Sometimes, materials subjected to the Hutchison Effect seem to change at an= elemental level =A1V could this be the explanation for the rapid rusting = =A1V steel is turned into Iron? JJ1.html JJ5.html Holes=20 > JJ4.html Fuming=20 > JJ3.html .=20 Round holes in Glass=20 > --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it n= ow. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mvandertak@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 18:22:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mvandertak@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46827 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 02:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 02:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 02:22:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43324 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 02:22:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MrCFURoVM1nVrZmfd3jdK3gRH72CtdniKwCg6dkRiKIbqAcYUMvixoe37nE.9LxW0JFOj6WVb3LWbIV4LXQb8LGUY7u2fI6cZcfQdSNuor2AjVcn1d_xopbQYJCrV_C7_XcbBxfTwYeEkVQ- X-Received: from [212.127.190.196] by web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:22:28 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:22:28 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <584954.28858.qm@web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <919984.42243.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Martin Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38276385; y=e4saN0V4w93DANWALPhXOdMmaFwM7I4jPgw0tbHawRL_RzELcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mvandertak X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42749 Feeding the troll Cass? --- Cass Silva wrote: > Sorry about that John, I posted this because of my > interest with the development of the Tesla > technology, which if implemented, will cause massive > destruction in the world. I too wondered about the > context as it gave no explanation for the existence > of the planes and their collision with the towers. > > What happened at the Towers was a tragedy and has > caused a domino effect in terms of tragedy > throughout the world. > > Cass > > Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote: > Cass, > I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and have > it all on video live. These people are nuts and so > are you for drinking their poison so willingly and > without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see this > allowed on this Forum!!! > John > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Cass Silva > From Andrew Johnson (UK): > > > PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON EFFECT > PARALLEL > > > http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- > see-wtc-hutchiso n-effect- parallel. html > Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel > 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - In > two appearances on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio > Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by Author and > Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy > Wood, a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, > and John Hutchison, experimental scientist, > discussed how photographic and video evidence > suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers > were destroyed using Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). > Many of the observed effects resemble those seen in > John Hutchison's experiments. > > In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on > her website (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ), > which relates effects seen in photographs taken > before, during and after the destruction of the WTC > complex, to effects seen in Hutchison's ongoing > experiments. Wood and Hutchison co-authored the > study. > > John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and > experimental scientist who has been working with > "field effects" for almost 30 years. The Hutchison > Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered > accidentally by John Hutchison in 1979 during > attempts to reproduce the work of Nikola Tesla. > Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic > sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume of > space where the beams intersect and interfere. The > results are levitation of heavy objects, fusion of > dissimilar materials such as metal and wood, > anomalous melting (without heating) of metals > without burning adjacent material, spontaneous > fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in a > sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent > changes in the crystalline structure and physical > properties of metal samples. > > Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many times > and the results are recorded on video and have been > included in a number of TV documentaries that focus > on unusual scientific experiments. Hutchison's metal > samples have been repeatedly tested by scientists, > including a group at the Max Planck Institute in > Germany, confirming Hutchison Effects. > > The article by Wood and Hutchison > (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ) documents > effects and events seen in the vicinity of the World > Trade Centre and compares these with observed > characteristics of the Hutchison Effect. > > The observed effects include: > > "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly > damaged cars do not seem to ignite nearby office > paper. Some photos show firefighters walking very > close to or even through the fires. A video by John > Hutchison shows similar looking "fires" on a model > metal boat. > > Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that > Hutchison produced show very unusual effects on > metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies," turning soft > and losing form, leading to severe bending or > fracturing of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt > from the centre and sometimes they turn to dust, > similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. > > Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show > an ongoing reaction, even after the energy field is > removed. This "non-self-quenching" reaction seems to > occur at the nuclear level. This also appears to be > happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study > suggests that the WTC site is still being > "decontaminated," with trucks moving dirt into and > out of the site, while "hosing down operations" > continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson > photographed and recorded on video in January 2008. > > Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the > Hutchison Effect seem to change at a molecular or > even atomic level. This could be the explanation for > the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel rusts > like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual > effects on the aluminium cladding used on the twin > towers that look similar to effects produced on > Hutchison's aluminum samples. > > Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two Ambrose > Lane shows, "We Ourselves," and discussed the > similarities between the WTC event and the > experimental evidence produced by the Hutchison > Effect. "I have been collecting data over the last > year and a half or so and I have found these > distinct and unusual characteristics, which I have > given names such as 'fuming' and 'toasted' cars ¡V I > have even noticed flipped cars in some pictures," > said Wood. "In some cases, the flipped cars are > sitting next to trees that are fully covered with > leaves." > > "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big > explosions or 'wind' from the towers coming down," > asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay on the > trees?" Material scientist George Hathaway observes > that the Hutchison Effect causes either lift or > disruption of the material itself. Lift explains the > flipped cars. (http://drjudywood. com/pdf/Hutchiso > nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) > > In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed > "spontaneous combustion" where "fires appeared out > of nowhere." He also confirmed that Col. John > Alexander and others from the U.S. military visited > him in 1983 and filmed his experiments with a team > from Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL). > (http://www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/ wpfw_011808_ > judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chuck Cook and Dr > Lorn A Kuehne of the Canadian Security Intelligence > Service (CSIS) contacted him in 1986 and told him > his work was "a matter of National Security." > (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html) > Hutchison says he's been told that defense > contractor, S.A.I.C., has his technology and has > been developing it. (http://drjudywood. com/media/ > 071212_JohnHutch ison-TruthH. mp3 ) > > Asked about ongoing dirt removal and hosing down at > the WTC complex, Hutchison commented, "I think there > is an ongoing reaction or 'infection.'" Wood noted > that the damage done to the Bankers Trust (Deutsche > Bank) building was repaired, but then they decided > to take the building down. This evidence indicates > there is a continuing reaction there. Rusting beams > in the Bankers Trust building and in the temporary > PATH train station also suggest ongoing reactions > too. > > At the end of the first show, a caller said, "This > is a revelation beyond revelations¡Kthis trumps > everything¡KIf this story ever gets out, it will > change the course of the United States' and the > whole world's history." > > Another caller said during the second show, "I am > thinking that these revelations we are hearing this > morning should have the people so excited and so > outraged that they should be flooding the lines to > their congressmen and news people to get this > message out as the number one story of the year." > > For more information please see: > http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/ > http://www.hutchiso neffect.ca/ > > WPFW Related: > http://www.weoursel ves.org/ > http://www.wpfw. org/ > > Audio of interviews: > We Ourselves Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson 14 Jan > 2007.mp3 > We Ourselves Dr J Wood J Hutchison and A Johnson 18 > Jan 2007.mp3 > > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From semockr@hotmail.com Fri Feb 01 21:18:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: semockr@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25005 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 05:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 05:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 05:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 05:18:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 05:18:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:18:36 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <584954.28858.qm@web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.18.24 From: "Richard Semock" Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68064314; y=aYJpdznk_JMiFTG8yBNjr6XvcWHJ47Aph9SjRFVeWgHr7g X-Yahoo-Profile: semockr X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42750 >From a Theosophical perspective, do you suppose that the 9-11 event=20 was brought about by ripe karma or did it set off a new round of=20 retribution that will be visited upon its al qaida perpetrators. Tesla also gave us alternating current without which we wouldnt live=20 in todays world of convenience if Edison's direct current technology=20 was adopted and AC was primitive compared to his wireless power=20 technology. You may look upon it more favorably when those archaic=20 coal and oil fired power plants or nuclear:) run out of gas and the=20 turbines stop spinning.=20 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Sorry about that John, I posted this because of my interest with=20 the development of the Tesla technology, which if implemented, will=20 cause massive destruction in the world. I too wondered about the=20 context as it gave no explanation for the existence of the planes and=20 their collision with the towers. >=20=20=20=20 > What happened at the Towers was a tragedy and has caused a domino=20 effect in terms of tragedy throughout the world. >=20=20=20=20 > Cass >=20 > Augoeides-222@... wrote: > Cass, > I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and have it all on video=20 live. These people are nuts and so are you for drinking their poison=20 so willingly and without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see this=20 allowed on this Forum!!! > John >=20 > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > From: Cass Silva=20 > From Andrew Johnson (UK): >=20 >=20 > PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON EFFECT PARALLEL >=20 >=20 > http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- see-wtc-hutchiso n- effect- parallel. html > Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel=20 > 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - In two appearances=20 on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by=20 Author and Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy Wood,=20 a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, and John Hutchison,=20 experimental scientist, discussed how photographic and video evidence=20 suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers were destroyed using=20 Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). Many of the observed effects resemble=20 those seen in John Hutchison's experiments. >=20 > In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on her website=20 (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ), which relates effects seen in=20 photographs taken before, during and after the destruction of the WTC=20 complex, to effects seen in Hutchison's ongoing experiments. Wood and=20 Hutchison co-authored the study. >=20 > John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and experimental scientist=20 who has been working with "field effects" for almost 30 years. The=20 Hutchison Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered accidentally=20 by John Hutchison in 1979 during attempts to reproduce the work of=20 Nikola Tesla. Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic=20 sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume of space where the=20 beams intersect and interfere. The results are levitation of heavy=20 objects, fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood,=20 anomalous melting (without heating) of metals without burning=20 adjacent material, spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate=20 by sliding in a sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent=20 changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metal=20 samples.=20 >=20 > Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many times and the results=20 are recorded on video and have been included in a number of TV=20 documentaries that focus on unusual scientific experiments.=20 Hutchison's metal samples have been repeatedly tested by scientists,=20 including a group at the Max Planck Institute in Germany, confirming=20 Hutchison Effects. >=20 > The article by Wood and Hutchison (http://drjudywood. com/articles/=20 JJ) documents effects and events seen in the vicinity of the World=20 Trade Centre and compares these with observed characteristics of the=20 Hutchison Effect.=20 >=20 > The observed effects include: >=20 > "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly damaged cars do not=20 seem to ignite nearby office paper. Some photos show firefighters=20 walking very close to or even through the fires. A video by John=20 Hutchison shows similar looking "fires" on a model metal boat. >=20 > Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that Hutchison produced=20 show very unusual effects on metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies,"=20 turning soft and losing form, leading to severe bending or fracturing=20 of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt from the centre and sometimes=20 they turn to dust, similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. >=20 > Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show an ongoing=20 reaction, even after the energy field is removed. This "non-self- quenching" reaction seems to occur at the nuclear level. This also=20 appears to be happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study=20 suggests that the WTC site is still being "decontaminated," with=20 trucks moving dirt into and out of the site, while "hosing down=20 operations" continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson photographed=20 and recorded on video in January 2008. >=20 > Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the Hutchison=20 Effect seem to change at a molecular or even atomic level. This could=20 be the explanation for the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel=20 rusts like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual effects on the=20 aluminium cladding used on the twin towers that look similar to=20 effects produced on Hutchison's aluminum samples. >=20 > Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two Ambrose Lane=20 shows, "We Ourselves," and discussed the similarities between the WTC=20 event and the experimental evidence produced by the Hutchison=20 Effect. "I have been collecting data over the last year and a half or=20 so and I have found these distinct and unusual characteristics, which=20 I have given names such as 'fuming' and 'toasted' cars =A1V I have even=20 noticed flipped cars in some pictures," said Wood. "In some cases,=20 the flipped cars are sitting next to trees that are fully covered=20 with leaves." >=20 > "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big explosions or 'wind'=20 from the towers coming down," asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay=20 on the trees?" Material scientist George Hathaway observes that the=20 Hutchison Effect causes either lift or disruption of the material=20 itself. Lift explains the flipped cars. (http://drjudywood.=20 com/pdf/Hutchiso nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) >=20 > In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed "spontaneous=20 combustion" where "fires appeared out of nowhere." He also confirmed=20 that Col. John Alexander and others from the U.S. military visited=20 him in 1983 and filmed his experiments with a team from Los Alamos=20 National Laboratories (LANL). (http://www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/=20 wpfw_011808_ judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chuck Cook and Dr Lorn A=20 Kuehne of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) contacted=20 him in 1986 and told him his work was "a matter of National=20 Security." (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html)=20 Hutchison says he's been told that defense contractor, S.A.I.C., has=20 his technology and has been developing it. (http://drjudywood.=20 com/media/ 071212_JohnHutch ison-TruthH. mp3 ) >=20 > Asked about ongoing dirt removal and hosing down at the WTC=20 complex, Hutchison commented, "I think there is an ongoing reaction=20 or 'infection.'" Wood noted that the damage done to the Bankers Trust=20 (Deutsche Bank) building was repaired, but then they decided to take=20 the building down. This evidence indicates there is a continuing=20 reaction there. Rusting beams in the Bankers Trust building and in=20 the temporary PATH train station also suggest ongoing reactions too. >=20 > At the end of the first show, a caller said, "This is a revelation=20 beyond revelations=A1Kthis trumps everything=A1KIf this story ever gets=20 out, it will change the course of the United States' and the whole=20 world's history." >=20 > Another caller said during the second show, "I am thinking that=20 these revelations we are hearing this morning should have the people=20 so excited and so outraged that they should be flooding the lines to=20 their congressmen and news people to get this message out as the=20 number one story of the year." >=20 > For more information please see: > http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/ > http://www.hutchiso neffect.ca/ >=20 > WPFW Related: > http://www.weoursel ves.org/ > http://www.wpfw. org/ >=20 > Audio of interviews: > We Ourselves Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson 14 Jan 2007.mp3=20 > We Ourselves Dr J Wood J Hutchison and A Johnson 18 Jan 2007.mp3=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Phenomenon > "The Hutchison Effect" > Anomalies at the WTC > Weird Fires=20 >=20 > The fires seen near the toasted cars don't seem to ignite the=20 paper. Some photos show firemen walking very or even through them.=20 Are they "cold" fires? >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ2.html >=20 > Bent Beams=20 >=20 > Samples that John Hutchison has produced show very unusual effects=20 on the metal =A1V sometimes severe bending occurs >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Jellification=20 >=20 > Sometimes the metal "jellifies" - other effects are also seen. >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Thinning, Transmutation,=20 > and Rapid Aging=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ5.html >=20 > Cars/Lift and Disintegration=20 >=20 > Some WTC pictures show cars that are upside down. (How?) One of the=20 key effects John Hutchison has reproduced many times is=20 a "levitation" or "anti-gravity" effect. Objects are sometimes seen=20 to levitate or if they don't, they disintegrate. These effects are=20 seen in this video clip >=20 > JJ1.html >=20 > Toasted Metal & Effects >=20 > A number metal effects have been observed in samples from the WTC=20 and these show similar features to some of the samples made by John=20 Hutchison >=20 > JJ1.html >=20 > Transmutation=20 >=20 > Sometimes, materials subjected to the Hutchison Effect seem to=20 change at an elemental level =A1V could this be the explanation for the=20 rapid rusting =A1V steel is turned into Iron? >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ5.html >=20 > Holes=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Fuming=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ3.html >=20 > .=20 >=20 > Round holes in Glass=20 >=20 > > >=20 > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.=20 Try it now. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! 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Find them fast with Yahoo!=20 Search. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From leonmaurer@aol.com Sat Feb 02 00:36:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74377 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 08:36:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 08:36:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 08:36:12 -0000 X-Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bdb.23fb9107 (37251); Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:36:07 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [66.229.64.15] (c-66-229-64-15.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [66.229.64.15]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA071-918347a42b76104; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:36:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <200802010438.m114cbFs014700@cooler.canonizer.com> References: <200802010438.m114cbFs014700@cooler.canonizer.com> Message-Id: <8F3FFF88-6DBF-48D0-AD3F-0B09B8641410@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:36:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-AOL-IP: 66.229.64.15 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Leon Maurer Subject: Re: Is perception representational in the ABC theory? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=xoAlNwdOCcfFMVNowzDbvZ4jwIkP4AF6RInR-OQsHbo72cviZuk X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42751 On Jan 31, 2008, at 1/31/0811:38 PM, Brent_Allsop@canonizer.com wrote: referring to the camp statement outlining the ABC theory of consciousness under the topic heading "Panpsychism is reality" at: http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13 > > Lenny, > > You end one paragraph with: > > "with the entire universe and all the structures within it, > essentially > a hologram..." > > then start the next with: > > "Each of which can be detected and perceived" > > what does this each of which refer to? LM: Each structural image form within the overall universal hologram. Thus, the image of the outer world we see, reaches every point on the surface of the eye lens as a complete hologram -- since each coherent light ray reflected from each point source on the object converges at each point on the lens' surface. It's the total light impinging on each of those lens' surface points that is focused collectively on the retina as a pixel matrix corresponding to the objective image matrix... To be sent through the optical nerve crossover network from each eye, to both the right and left hemispheres of the brain... There. to be processed electrochemically at different neural sections of the visual cortex, and transformed through the local neural EM fields to the overall brain wave (EM) field (detected by EEG) -- where the image is assembled holographically as wave interference patterns... That are then transmitted to the higher order ZPE mind- memory fields by a phase conjugate adaptive resonance process. The image, now modulated in and carried by the ZPE mind field, is then detected, by reflection of its projected coherent zero-point radiation (that also reconstructs the hologram) by the consciously aware zero-point origin of the brain field (and all its ZPE harmonics) located in the pineal region in the center of the head between the eyes and the ears. To be globally perceived, considered, understood, reacted to, etc. by the *entangled* self reflective consciousness located in the center of the body. This center guides and controls, by intentionally or instinctively directed will transmitted through the neural processing system, the saccades, eye and head movements and other aspects of attentive or inattentive visual consciousness. All this is quite intricate in practice... But, from a communication engineering point of view, the overall process is as simple and direct as a live TV network camera- transmitter-receiver system. Apparently, nature's redundant totally analog processes are much more parsimonious than we are when we try to technologically emulate them through far more complex hybrid analog/digital systems in which a single blown transistor, resistor, capacitor, transformer, fuse, etc. could crash the entire transmission. ;-) > > BA: Also, are you saying that when you perceive pain in your toe, > that the > pain is inded in your toe? In other words, your theory is not > representational, if it were, you would instead say the pain was in > your representation of your toe, all in your brain. > And you mention the "center of our head" and the "center of our body" > are these the same? > LM: No, the center our body refers to the chakra point of global self reflected (I am) consciousness located at the naval -- the true center of origin of the entire physical body form and its surrounding higher order hyperspace fields of consciousness, that are analogous to the initial fields of cosmogenesis. Since I postulate that consciousness (i.e., awareness, perception, will, etc) are the qualities of each zero-point linked to each ZPE field carrying the sensory information at the point of trauma -- the experience of pain, and its reactive response is certainly in the zero-point linked to the cellular source of the pain information, and not experienced in the brain. Thus, by phase conjugate resonance of the 3-D physical body hologram mapped in the brain field of the kinesthetic cortex (and transmitted to the Astral field) with the actual physical body fields whose zero- point centers are coadunate or entangled with the neuromuscular field centers, we can graphically locate and scratch an itch on the skin. We can also similarly place any part of our body exactly in any 3D location in the outer world field that corresponds to the visual image field, instantaneously, without any computational analysis or thought. In this model, the brain is solely the transponder/transformer between the sensory information and the overall field of memory and mind that is directly accessible to the primary self-referenced global consciousness center located at the naval chakra point in the center of our overall body field (the spiritual "aura" in Eastern philosophies). See the last illustration of the human figure and its chakra fields, in the camp statement) In essence, the only representational aspect in this model is the representation of the sensory and memory image information in the higher order ZPE fields that are directly accessible to their conscious zero-points of origin. The brain, itself, is simply the intermediate processor-transformer-channeler mechanism between these mind-memory fields and the sensory sources of the information or contents of consciousness. Thank you for your perceptive questions that enable me to further clarify the ABC cosmogenetic field model. For a background discussion of the underlying premises of this hypothesis, see: http:// www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/ Any scientists or philosophers participating in online consciousness study forums who wishes to support this theoretical approach, please go to the canonizer address above, register, and scroll down under the camp statement to where it says: "Join or Directly Support This Camp". Thank you. Best wishes, Leon Maurer (aka Lenny) > > Brent Allsop > > > ---------------------------------- > > Please report any abuse to support@canonizer.com. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Sat Feb 02 01:37:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6884 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 09:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 09:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.40) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 09:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kZaA1Y0020vp7WLA400J00; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:37:33 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter20.comcast.net ([204.127.225.120]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kZdc1Y00A2cV5dG8R00000; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:37:36 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=UDKMrEUKCQyG/55tQ5TiBA==:17 a=Z7WF7fKDlpVL68LvkSsA:9 a=la6DUUdglMNp-4SB_ikA:7 a=R7HB2hHZA9wx5gPYI30dyrIkHZ4A:4 a=CCR1Fr53SjMA:10 a=FrIxX7-FULcA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=nDWFAeyyStMA:10 a=X87ArKFndBgA:10 a=cQXq8SIbTJAA:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 a=4VjhnMWFAAAA:8 a=Xr5hIyaWAAAA:8 a=1Ia5rBeJAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=CF1WJvDbAAAA:8 a=Y2Q6tWBkjdnw3JCgIpQA:7 a=83fxqBmRMJaQPRtU0uVSAXbfgTcA:4 a=jeN6Q-uZn2oA:10 a=syfC3iHSy1IA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [67.166.128.78] by amailcenter20.comcast.net; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:37:35 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:37:35 +0000 Message-Id: <020220080937.19740.47A439DF0008956800004D1C2215551724CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=x182H1PkBLEtLbKtVOOsee4TK9eEJbXgLuIqXRTCD55VBAnRVQ9V2Bll6NyeMWWJ X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42752 Richard, I am a great admirer of Nicola Tesla and am fully aware of his genius an= d magnificent contributions to Humanity. Edison was a scornful thief who ch= eated Tesla in a most unconscionable practice. Edison was stuck in the mud = of D.C Current and had existential personal investment in power by D.C. and= resisted any form of A.C. for line transmission. In Chicago where I was bo= rn and raised even many years later one could see the old Edison D.C. Power= relay facilities every mile in a half or so in the city. At night one look= ing down a straight street could see the lights notably dimmer due to the D= .C. power being unable to carry the load for distances.=20 It was Nicola Tesla who provided our current civilization in the present= form not just here but everywhere else also. Although much unsung and with= out the real recognition he deserved he revol utionized this planet. But a= nother important element was that even thocurrents type of current became p= opular and won the prize for electrification, so much capital into fixed as= sests for electric line transmission nationally had been spent with many Co= rporation and stockholders having the lions share of the debate they demand= ed a return on their investments. This situation countered any possibility = ofbecausess power transmission becuase if both were present Tesla's was per= vasive everywhere and interference would present electronically everywhere = transmission ladditionsupplying poremember additionI just criticalemeber th= e name but a critcal Manual on Electric Line Transmission was authored and = published andthatme the principal Manual thsat guided all construction of E= lectric Line Transmis sion.=20 In theorem, I don't support any theorem that the evil karma of America was = due. America is the creator of much good everywhere on Earth and has no equ= al in that. Imagine a world where America had never existed, under that vis= ion see what happens. The good things America has done and is doing every d= ay both by our government and by private Americans like Bill Gates as one e= xample are worthy of a lot more press and recognition. The Camp David Peace= Talks that took place under President Carter ended with America now requir= ed to dispense $8 Billion hard earned American Tax Dollars each and every y= ear since then in the 1970's to only two Nations, Egypt ($ 4 Billion) and = Isreal ($4 Billion) simple math over $130 Billion Dollars for a Peace they = refused to carry out. One should always consider the source of scandelous w= ildly screaming charges made by ignorant people against America mostly b= y ignoranr people who have been seduced by clever rhetoric and distortions.= If one asks about ne gative karma one also must be required to inspect the positive karma as wel= l before arrival to a a judgment. The terrorists had already once before tried to bring down the Twin Tower= s but failed. And there were many other attacks against free People and fre= e Nations. Pacificists cannot change the evil mind, but they can enjoy what= others die for in order that their cowardice remins undisturbed. Krishna t= old Arjun --- Arise and do thy Duty. "New Rounds" are a not a proper syntax= in these events. Recall the centuries long conflicts already experienced b= y all of Europe to the point that large part of Europe was assimulated wit= h forced assimulation of European culture and peoples. Proselytizing Religi= ons are a problem no matter which, in each is an alledged Directive of Diet= y to bring all souls in this world under a Religous enforcement broaching n= one other and accepting nothing less. My personal beleif is people should know History and Current Events and Facts much better so = they will not be victims of those who would misuse them callously and witho= ut care and who simply want an army of guided misguided participants to eff= ect a goal that changes society for the worse. Be very careful in these mat= ters. I might point the members of this Forum to a Reference Work in regard to= Nicola Tesla, I have long had it in my possession and library: "Nicola Tesla ---Lectures, Patents, Articles" Authors - Preparers: Vojin Popovic - Prof. 0f electrical Engineering - Beograd University - Beog= rad Yugoslavia=20 Radislav Horvat - Assoc Prof. of Electrical Engineering - Beograd Universit= y - Beograd Yugoslavia Nikola Nikovic - Asst. Prof of Electrical Engineering - Beograd University = -Beograd Yugoslavia Published by Nicola Tesla Museum, Beograd Yugoslavia 1956 weight 6.5 lbs Regards John . -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "Richard Semock" =20 >From a Theosophical perspective, do you suppose that the 9-11 event=20 was brought about by ripe karma or did it set off a new round of=20 retribution that will be visited upon its al qaida perpetrators. Tesla also gave us alternating current without which we wouldnt live=20 in todays world of convenience if Edison's direct current technology=20 was adopted and AC was primitive compared to his wireless power=20 technology. You may look upon it more favorably when those archaic=20 coal and oil fired power plants or nuclear:) run out of gas and the=20 turbines stop spinning.=20 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Sorry about that John, I posted this because of my interest with=20 the development of the Tesla technology, which if implemented, will=20 cause massive destruction in the world. I too wondered about the=20 context as it gave no explanation for the existence of the planes and=20 their collision with the towers. >=20 > What happened at the Towers was a tragedy and has caused a domino=20 effect in terms of tragedy throughout the world. >=20 > Cass >=20 > Augoeides-222@... wrote: > Cass, > I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and have it all on video=20 live. These people are nuts and so are you for drinking their poison=20 so willingly and without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see this=20 allowed on this Forum!!! > John >=20 > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > From: Cass Silva=20 > From Andrew Johnson (UK): >=20 >=20 > PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON EFFECT PARALLEL >=20 >=20 > http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- see-wtc-hutchiso n- effect- parallel. html > Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel=20 > 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - In two appearances=20 on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by=20 Author and Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy Wood,=20 a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, and John Hutchison,=20 experimental scientist, discussed how photographic and video evidence=20 suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers were destroyed using=20 Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). Many of the observed effects resemble=20 those seen in John Hutchison's experiments. >=20 > In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on her website=20 (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ), which relates effects seen in=20 photographs taken before, during and after the destruction of the WTC=20 complex, to effects seen in Hutchison's ongoing experiments. Wood and=20 Hutchison co-authored the study. >=20 > John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and experimental scientist=20 who has been working with "field effects" for almost 30 years. The=20 Hutchison Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered accidentally=20 by John Hutchison in 1979 during attempts to reproduce the work of=20 Nikola Tesla. Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic=20 sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume of space where the=20 beams intersect and interfere. The results are levitation of heavy=20 objects, fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood,=20 anomalous melting (without heating) of metals without burning=20 adjacent material, spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate=20 by sliding in a sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent=20 changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metal=20 samples.=20 >=20 > Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many times and the results=20 are recorded on video and have been included in a number of TV=20 documentaries that focus on unusual scientific experiments.=20 Hutchison's metal samples have been repeatedly tested by scientists,=20 including a group at the Max Planck Institute in Germany, confirming=20 Hutchison Effects. >=20 > The article by Wood and Hutchison (http://drjudywood. com/articles/=20 JJ) documents effects and events seen in the vicinity of the World=20 Trade Centre and compares these with observed characteristics of the=20 Hutchison Effect.=20 >=20 > The observed effects include: >=20 > "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly damaged cars do not=20 seem to ignite nearby office paper. Some photos show firefighters=20 walking very close to or even through the fires. A video by John=20 Hutchison shows similar looking "fires" on a model metal boat. >=20 > Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that Hutchison produced=20 show very unusual effects on metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies,"=20 turning soft and losing form, leading to severe bending or fracturing=20 of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt from the centre and sometimes=20 they turn to dust, similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. >=20 > Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show an ongoing=20 reaction, even after the energy field is removed. This "non-self- quenching" reaction seems to occur at the nuclear level. This also=20 appears to be happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study=20 suggests that the WTC site is still being "decontaminated," with=20 trucks moving dirt into and out of the site, while "hosing down=20 operations" continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson photographed=20 and recorded on video in January 2008. >=20 > Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the Hutchison=20 Effect seem to change at a molecular or even atomic level. This could=20 be the explanation for the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel=20 rusts like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual effects on the=20 aluminium cladding used on the twin towers that look similar to=20 effects produced on Hutchison's aluminum samples. >=20 > Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two Ambrose Lane=20 shows, "We Ourselves," and discussed the similarities between the WTC=20 event and the experimental evidence produced by the Hutchison=20 Effect. "I have been collecting data over the last year and a half or=20 so and I have found these distinct and unusual characteristics, which=20 I have given names such as 'fuming' and 'toasted' cars =A1V I have even=20 noticed flipped cars in some pictures," said Wood. "In some cases,=20 the flipped cars are sitting next to trees that are fully covered=20 with leaves." >=20 > "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big explosions or 'wind'=20 from the towers coming down," asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay=20 on the trees?" Material scientist George Hathaway observes that the=20 Hutchison Effect causes either lift or disruption of the material=20 itself. Lift explains the flipped cars. (http://drjudywood.=20 com/pdf/Hutchiso nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) >=20 > In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed "spontaneous=20 combustion" where "fires appeared out of nowhere." He also confirmed=20 that Col. John Alexander and others from the U.S. military visited=20 him in 1983 and filmed his experiments with a team from Los Alamos=20 National Laboratories (LANL). (http://www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/=20 wpfw_011808_ judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chuck Cook and Dr Lorn A=20 Kuehne of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) contacted=20 him in 1986 and told him his work was "a matter of National=20 Security." (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html)=20 Hutchison says he's been told that defense contractor, S.A.I.C., has=20 his technology and has been developing it. (http://drjudywood.=20 com/media/ 071212_JohnHutch ison-TruthH. mp3 ) >=20 > Asked about ongoing dirt removal and hosing down at the WTC=20 complex, Hutchison commented, "I think there is an ongoing reaction=20 or 'infection.'" Wood noted that the damage done to the Bankers Trust=20 (Deutsche Bank) building was repaired, but then they decided to take=20 the building down. This evidence indicates there is a continuing=20 reaction there. Rusting beams in the Bankers Trust building and in=20 the temporary PATH train station also suggest ongoing reactions too. >=20 > At the end of the first show, a caller said, "This is a revelation=20 beyond revelations=A1Kthis trumps everything=A1KIf this story ever gets=20 out, it will change the course of the United States' and the whole=20 world's history." >=20 > Another caller said during the second show, "I am thinking that=20 these revelations we are hearing this morning should have the people=20 so excited and so outraged that they should be flooding the lines to=20 their congressmen and news people to get this message out as the=20 number one story of the year." >=20 > For more information please see: > http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/ > http://www.hutchiso neffect.ca/ >=20 > WPFW Related: > http://www.weoursel ves.org/ > http://www.wpfw. org/ >=20 > Audio of interviews: > We Ourselves Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson 14 Jan 2007.mp3=20 > We Ourselves Dr J Wood J Hutchison and A Johnson 18 Jan 2007.mp3=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Phenomenon > "The Hutchison Effect" > Anomalies at the WTC > Weird Fires=20 >=20 > The fires seen near the toasted cars don't seem to ignite the=20 paper. Some photos show firemen walking very or even through them.=20 Are they "cold" fires? >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ2.html >=20 > Bent Beams=20 >=20 > Samples that John Hutchison has produced show very unusual effects=20 on the metal =A1V sometimes severe bending occurs >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Jellification=20 >=20 > Sometimes the metal "jellifies" - other effects are also seen. >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Thinning, Transmutation,=20 > and Rapid Aging=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ5.html >=20 > Cars/Lift and Disintegration=20 >=20 > Some WTC pictures show cars that are upside down. (How?) One of the=20 key effects John Hutchison has reproduced many times is=20 a "levitation" or "anti-gravity" effect. Objects are sometimes seen=20 to levitate or if they don't, they disintegrate. These effects are=20 seen in this video clip >=20 > JJ1.html >=20 > Toasted Metal & Effects >=20 > A number metal effects have been observed in samples from the WTC=20 and these show similar features to some of the samples made by John=20 Hutchison >=20 > JJ1.html >=20 > Transmutation=20 >=20 > Sometimes, materials subjected to the Hutchison Effect seem to=20 change at an elemental level =A1V could this be the explanation for the=20 rapid rusting =A1V steel is turned into Iron? >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ5.html >=20 > Holes=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Fuming=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ3.html >=20 > .=20 >=20 > Round holes in Glass=20 >=20 > > >=20 > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.=20 Try it now. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! 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Find them fast with Yahoo!=20 Search. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 04:44:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12661 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 12:44:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 12:44:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.108) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 12:44:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22202 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 12:44:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oBfsOEcVM1kYXy6y5soNbrRqVpqj2wRPEJed6c3.u3iaLc8gL.c5fGUv0YEj_xqK2i51tlsOYbEqVWp54z_WODxlKwWl3vCxK5nJilMHePa1s4VcQ0dObwjX24.9rwiTGPYpmBqqtDu5GBw- X-Received: from [58.107.40.201] by web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:44:42 PST Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:44:42 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <919984.42243.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <673120.12591.qm@web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=mOemvwDlTIO4uTO0XxC6-k4ADDaOaWppdFap5R5zTPlwv3pyng X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42753 I don't get what you mean Martin. Cass Martin wrote: Feeding the troll Cass? --- Cass Silva wrote: > Sorry about that John, I posted this because of my > interest with the development of the Tesla > technology, which if implemented, will cause massive > destruction in the world. I too wondered about the > context as it gave no explanation for the existence > of the planes and their collision with the towers. >=20 > What happened at the Towers was a tragedy and has > caused a domino effect in terms of tragedy > throughout the world. >=20 > Cass >=20 > Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote: > Cass, > I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and have > it all on video live. These people are nuts and so > are you for drinking their poison so willingly and > without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see this > allowed on this Forum!!! > John >=20 > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > From: Cass Silva=20 > From Andrew Johnson (UK): >=20 >=20 > PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON EFFECT > PARALLEL >=20 >=20 > http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- > see-wtc-hutchiso n-effect- parallel. html > Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel=20 > 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - In > two appearances on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio > Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by Author and > Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy > Wood, a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, > and John Hutchison, experimental scientist, > discussed how photographic and video evidence > suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers > were destroyed using Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). > Many of the observed effects resemble those seen in > John Hutchison's experiments. >=20 > In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on > her website (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ), > which relates effects seen in photographs taken > before, during and after the destruction of the WTC > complex, to effects seen in Hutchison's ongoing > experiments. Wood and Hutchison co-authored the > study. >=20 > John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and > experimental scientist who has been working with > "field effects" for almost 30 years. The Hutchison > Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered > accidentally by John Hutchison in 1979 during > attempts to reproduce the work of Nikola Tesla. > Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic > sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume of > space where the beams intersect and interfere. The > results are levitation of heavy objects, fusion of > dissimilar materials such as metal and wood, > anomalous melting (without heating) of metals > without burning adjacent material, spontaneous > fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in a > sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent > changes in the crystalline structure and physical > properties of metal samples.=20 >=20 > Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many times > and the results are recorded on video and have been > included in a number of TV documentaries that focus > on unusual scientific experiments. Hutchison's metal > samples have been repeatedly tested by scientists, > including a group at the Max Planck Institute in > Germany, confirming Hutchison Effects. >=20 > The article by Wood and Hutchison > (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ) documents > effects and events seen in the vicinity of the World > Trade Centre and compares these with observed > characteristics of the Hutchison Effect.=20 >=20 > The observed effects include: >=20 > "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly > damaged cars do not seem to ignite nearby office > paper. Some photos show firefighters walking very > close to or even through the fires. A video by John > Hutchison shows similar looking "fires" on a model > metal boat. >=20 > Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that > Hutchison produced show very unusual effects on > metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies," turning soft > and losing form, leading to severe bending or > fracturing of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt > from the centre and sometimes they turn to dust, > similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. >=20 > Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show > an ongoing reaction, even after the energy field is > removed. This "non-self-quenching" reaction seems to > occur at the nuclear level. This also appears to be > happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study > suggests that the WTC site is still being > "decontaminated," with trucks moving dirt into and > out of the site, while "hosing down operations" > continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson > photographed and recorded on video in January 2008. >=20 > Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the > Hutchison Effect seem to change at a molecular or > even atomic level. This could be the explanation for > the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel rusts > like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual > effects on the aluminium cladding used on the twin > towers that look similar to effects produced on > Hutchison's aluminum samples. >=20 > Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two Ambrose > Lane shows, "We Ourselves," and discussed the > similarities between the WTC event and the > experimental evidence produced by the Hutchison > Effect. "I have been collecting data over the last > year and a half or so and I have found these > distinct and unusual characteristics, which I have > given names such as 'fuming' and 'toasted' cars =A1V I > have even noticed flipped cars in some pictures," > said Wood. "In some cases, the flipped cars are > sitting next to trees that are fully covered with > leaves." >=20 > "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big > explosions or 'wind' from the towers coming down," > asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay on the > trees?" Material scientist George Hathaway observes > that the Hutchison Effect causes either lift or > disruption of the material itself. Lift explains the > flipped cars. (http://drjudywood. com/pdf/Hutchiso > nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) >=20 > In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed > "spontaneous combustion" where "fires appeared out > of nowhere." He also confirmed that Col. John > Alexander and others from the U.S. military visited > him in 1983 and filmed his experiments with a team > from Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL). > (http://www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/ wpfw_011808_ > judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chuck Cook and Dr > Lorn A Kuehne of the Canadian Security Intelligence > Service (CSIS) contacted him in 1986 and told him > his work was "a matter of National Security." > (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html) > Hutchison says he's been told that defense > contractor, S.A.I.C., has his technology and has > been developing it. (http://drjudywood. com/media/ > 071212_JohnHutch ison-TruthH. mp3 ) >=20 > Asked about ongoing dirt removal and hosing down at > the WTC complex, Hutchison commented, "I think there > is an ongoing reaction or 'infection.'" Wood noted > that the damage done to the Bankers Trust (Deutsche > Bank) building was repaired, but then they decided > to take the building down. This evidence indicates > there is a continuing reaction there. Rusting beams > in the Bankers Trust building and in the temporary > PATH train station also suggest ongoing reactions > too. >=20 > At the end of the first show, a caller said, "This > is a revelation beyond revelations=A1Kthis trumps > everything=A1KIf this story ever gets out, it will > change the course of the United States' and the > whole world's history." >=20 > Another caller said during the second show, "I am > thinking that these revelations we are hearing this > morning should have the people so excited and so > outraged that they should be flooding the lines to > their congressmen and news people to get this > message out as the number one story of the year." >=20 > For more information please see: > http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/ > http://www.hutchiso neffect.ca/ >=20 > WPFW Related: > http://www.weoursel ves.org/ > http://www.wpfw. org/ >=20 > Audio of interviews: > We Ourselves Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson 14 Jan > 2007.mp3=20 > We Ourselves Dr J Wood J Hutchison and A Johnson 18 > Jan 2007.mp3=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 04:56:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93452 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 12:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 12:56:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.112) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 12:56:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87939 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 12:56:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M6uwMb4VM1kB37HRwnbkqQF7XL2kVNYVh9NmIXtE6_TYzc0nOw.5xMPra8cQcnppu2iXeBOamczIUiWog8n7idvz1UYnWTzAweukZgWECIe_tRfwp.s- X-Received: from [58.107.40.201] by web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:56:11 PST Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:56:11 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <737459.87147.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=9RI_uxpeeXsfPb9iA0YJ3jhKKOpaisMdcDaVw8fh2XnYOPQAHg X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42754 Hello Richard, I am not boohooing Tesla. On the contrary. I don't recall if it was Tes= la or Keely that discovered that sound could be used to destroy and that we= ather patterns could be changed. There is evidence that HAARP's hidden age= nda is on these technologies. =20=20=20 I cannot say whether Karma was operating or not at a personal level. Bu= t certainly it has impacted global karma with the tragedy being used to spo= nsor a war on terror in Irak, in retaliation. My understanding is that the= perpetrators were Saudi Arabian and not Iraki's, and certainly they were n= ot sponsored by Sadam Hussein. =20=20=20 From reading between the lines in Irak the tension is between the Suni an= d the Shi-ites and has very little to do with AlQuada. Benezair Bhuto told= David Frost in an interview 12 months ago, that Osama Ben Ladin had been k= illed, and I cannot think of anyone who would not be as informed as she was= . =20=20=20 If the world really wanted to we could switch to hydrogen (water fuelled = cars). I believe that BMW has already manufactured a demo. We have gas and= electric hybrid powered cars in Australia. So there are alternatives. =20=20=20 Cheers Cass Richard Semock wrote: From a Theosophical perspective, do you suppose that the 9-11 eve= nt=20 was brought about by ripe karma or did it set off a new round of=20 retribution that will be visited upon its al qaida perpetrators. Tesla also gave us alternating current without which we wouldnt live=20 in todays world of convenience if Edison's direct current technology=20 was adopted and AC was primitive compared to his wireless power=20 technology. You may look upon it more favorably when those archaic=20 coal and oil fired power plants or nuclear:) run out of gas and the=20 turbines stop spinning.=20 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Sorry about that John, I posted this because of my interest with=20 the development of the Tesla technology, which if implemented, will=20 cause massive destruction in the world. I too wondered about the=20 context as it gave no explanation for the existence of the planes and=20 their collision with the towers. >=20 > What happened at the Towers was a tragedy and has caused a domino=20 effect in terms of tragedy throughout the world. >=20 > Cass >=20 > Augoeides-222@... wrote: > Cass, > I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and have it all on video=20 live. These people are nuts and so are you for drinking their poison=20 so willingly and without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see this=20 allowed on this Forum!!! > John >=20 > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > From: Cass Silva=20 > From Andrew Johnson (UK): >=20 >=20 > PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON EFFECT PARALLEL >=20 >=20 > http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- see-wtc-hutchiso n- effect- parallel. html > Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel=20 > 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - In two appearances=20 on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by=20 Author and Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. Judy Wood,=20 a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, and John Hutchison,=20 experimental scientist, discussed how photographic and video evidence=20 suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers were destroyed using=20 Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). Many of the observed effects resemble=20 those seen in John Hutchison's experiments. >=20 > In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on her website=20 (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ), which relates effects seen in=20 photographs taken before, during and after the destruction of the WTC=20 complex, to effects seen in Hutchison's ongoing experiments. Wood and=20 Hutchison co-authored the study. >=20 > John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and experimental scientist=20 who has been working with "field effects" for almost 30 years. The=20 Hutchison Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered accidentally=20 by John Hutchison in 1979 during attempts to reproduce the work of=20 Nikola Tesla. Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic=20 sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume of space where the=20 beams intersect and interfere. The results are levitation of heavy=20 objects, fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood,=20 anomalous melting (without heating) of metals without burning=20 adjacent material, spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate=20 by sliding in a sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent=20 changes in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metal=20 samples.=20 >=20 > Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many times and the results=20 are recorded on video and have been included in a number of TV=20 documentaries that focus on unusual scientific experiments.=20 Hutchison's metal samples have been repeatedly tested by scientists,=20 including a group at the Max Planck Institute in Germany, confirming=20 Hutchison Effects. >=20 > The article by Wood and Hutchison (http://drjudywood. com/articles/=20 JJ) documents effects and events seen in the vicinity of the World=20 Trade Centre and compares these with observed characteristics of the=20 Hutchison Effect.=20 >=20 > The observed effects include: >=20 > "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly damaged cars do not=20 seem to ignite nearby office paper. Some photos show firefighters=20 walking very close to or even through the fires. A video by John=20 Hutchison shows similar looking "fires" on a model metal boat. >=20 > Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that Hutchison produced=20 show very unusual effects on metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies,"=20 turning soft and losing form, leading to severe bending or fracturing=20 of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt from the centre and sometimes=20 they turn to dust, similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. >=20 > Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show an ongoing=20 reaction, even after the energy field is removed. This "non-self- quenching" reaction seems to occur at the nuclear level. This also=20 appears to be happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study=20 suggests that the WTC site is still being "decontaminated," with=20 trucks moving dirt into and out of the site, while "hosing down=20 operations" continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson photographed=20 and recorded on video in January 2008. >=20 > Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to the Hutchison=20 Effect seem to change at a molecular or even atomic level. This could=20 be the explanation for the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel=20 rusts like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual effects on the=20 aluminium cladding used on the twin towers that look similar to=20 effects produced on Hutchison's aluminum samples. >=20 > Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two Ambrose Lane=20 shows, "We Ourselves," and discussed the similarities between the WTC=20 event and the experimental evidence produced by the Hutchison=20 Effect. "I have been collecting data over the last year and a half or=20 so and I have found these distinct and unusual characteristics, which=20 I have given names such as 'fuming' and 'toasted' cars =A1V I have even=20 noticed flipped cars in some pictures," said Wood. "In some cases,=20 the flipped cars are sitting next to trees that are fully covered=20 with leaves." >=20 > "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big explosions or 'wind'=20 from the towers coming down," asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay=20 on the trees?" Material scientist George Hathaway observes that the=20 Hutchison Effect causes either lift or disruption of the material=20 itself. Lift explains the flipped cars. (http://drjudywood.=20 com/pdf/Hutchiso nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) >=20 > In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed "spontaneous=20 combustion" where "fires appeared out of nowhere." He also confirmed=20 that Col. John Alexander and others from the U.S. military visited=20 him in 1983 and filmed his experiments with a team from Los Alamos=20 National Laboratories (LANL). (http://www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/=20 wpfw_011808_ judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chuck Cook and Dr Lorn A=20 Kuehne of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) contacted=20 him in 1986 and told him his work was "a matter of National=20 Security." (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html)=20 Hutchison says he's been told that defense contractor, S.A.I.C., has=20 his technology and has been developing it. (http://drjudywood.=20 com/media/ 071212_JohnHutch ison-TruthH. mp3 ) >=20 > Asked about ongoing dirt removal and hosing down at the WTC=20 complex, Hutchison commented, "I think there is an ongoing reaction=20 or 'infection.'" Wood noted that the damage done to the Bankers Trust=20 (Deutsche Bank) building was repaired, but then they decided to take=20 the building down. This evidence indicates there is a continuing=20 reaction there. Rusting beams in the Bankers Trust building and in=20 the temporary PATH train station also suggest ongoing reactions too. >=20 > At the end of the first show, a caller said, "This is a revelation=20 beyond revelations=A1Kthis trumps everything=A1KIf this story ever gets=20 out, it will change the course of the United States' and the whole=20 world's history." >=20 > Another caller said during the second show, "I am thinking that=20 these revelations we are hearing this morning should have the people=20 so excited and so outraged that they should be flooding the lines to=20 their congressmen and news people to get this message out as the=20 number one story of the year." >=20 > For more information please see: > http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/ > http://www.hutchiso neffect.ca/ >=20 > WPFW Related: > http://www.weoursel ves.org/ > http://www.wpfw. org/ >=20 > Audio of interviews: > We Ourselves Dr Judy Wood and Andrew Johnson 14 Jan 2007.mp3=20 > We Ourselves Dr J Wood J Hutchison and A Johnson 18 Jan 2007.mp3=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Phenomenon > "The Hutchison Effect" > Anomalies at the WTC > Weird Fires=20 >=20 > The fires seen near the toasted cars don't seem to ignite the=20 paper. Some photos show firemen walking very or even through them.=20 Are they "cold" fires? >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ2.html >=20 > Bent Beams=20 >=20 > Samples that John Hutchison has produced show very unusual effects=20 on the metal =A1V sometimes severe bending occurs >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Jellification=20 >=20 > Sometimes the metal "jellifies" - other effects are also seen. >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Thinning, Transmutation,=20 > and Rapid Aging=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ5.html >=20 > Cars/Lift and Disintegration=20 >=20 > Some WTC pictures show cars that are upside down. (How?) One of the=20 key effects John Hutchison has reproduced many times is=20 a "levitation" or "anti-gravity" effect. Objects are sometimes seen=20 to levitate or if they don't, they disintegrate. These effects are=20 seen in this video clip >=20 > JJ1.html >=20 > Toasted Metal & Effects >=20 > A number metal effects have been observed in samples from the WTC=20 and these show similar features to some of the samples made by John=20 Hutchison >=20 > JJ1.html >=20 > Transmutation=20 >=20 > Sometimes, materials subjected to the Hutchison Effect seem to=20 change at an elemental level =A1V could this be the explanation for the=20 rapid rusting =A1V steel is turned into Iron? >=20 > JJ1.html > JJ5.html >=20 > Holes=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ4.html >=20 > Fuming=20 >=20 > > >=20 > JJ3.html >=20 > .=20 >=20 > Round holes in Glass=20 >=20 > > >=20 > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.=20 Try it now. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adelasie@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 02 06:31:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adelasie@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20009 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 14:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 14:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.95) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 14:31:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55402 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 14:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.103?) (adelasie@sbcglobal.net@69.111.245.156 with login) by smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 14:31:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fq0OC0sVM1k4BuCDGDQpAtghYi5a8iYxnWLtefXcvaEQd6tYI2ogwMC3JhYq15.FwWwws_FtpQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:36:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <47A40F53.32621.1D764C4C@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <584954.28858.qm@web52111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "adelasie" Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161282999 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42755 Hello Fellow Students, It Theosophical terms, it is safe to say that everything in the manifested universe is bound to the cause and effect cycle we call Karma. This would include the events of 9-11, regrardless of the identity of the perpetrators or the method of destruction used. Karma is the principle by which balance is maintained in manifestation. The student learns to realize that he is the author of his own fate, and to accept responsibility for that which occurs in his life, whether he can remember the exact causative events or not. A nation could do the same, given a sufficient amount of national understanding. Certainly the U'SA, and even Western Civilization, could accept some culpability for misuse of the finer forces of nature during the past Kali Yuga. What retribution will be demanded to balance the account remains to be seen, but it's likely 9-11 fits in there somewhere. Karma includes both cause and effect. Each effect has a cause and in turn is a cause of future effects. This is where the power of choice is so important. Do we choose to act according to the law of our nature, according to, say for instance, the Golden Rule? Or do we seek retribution? On such decisions hang all related future events. As far as who did what when or why, the occultist is cautioned to keep an open mind. Western politics is full of lies and deception. It's pretty easy to see how manipulative a system it has become. Witness some of the effects of the greed and corruption that powers politics in this cycle. So it is not unreasonable to imagine that there might be more behind any event than meets the eye. Each individual learns eventually to examine whatever evidence is available and apply his own power of discernment to arrive at his own understanding. In the last analysis, all points of view are true, simply reflecting different facets of the one Truth, which is all the truth there is. Similarly, in the last analysis, it is not a matter of our side is good and the other side is bad. It's more a matter of we are all on the same side, all human beings, charged with the responsibility to realize the fact that all Life is One, that what happens to the least of us happens to all of us. Separatism is disintegration and destruction. Unity is constructive and leads to further evolution of consciousness and that is our goal. Adelasie On 2 Feb 2008 at 5:18, Richard Semock wrote: > From a Theosophical perspective, do you suppose that the 9-11 event > was brought about by ripe karma or did it set off a new round of > retribution that will be visited upon its al qaida perpetrators. > > From Mvandertak@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 07:08:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mvandertak@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78734 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 15:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 15:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.209) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 15:08:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19902 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 15:08:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8EonpaYVM1ncJ3Uo7ZR8235R4.0nfCMWO6ztGm3TfFvT8uewV7OboD88AccvRmML0CBgXISvw0kP7BHQtkhQXPhFltAb4JNk1hK.3nYmj8RNsFE2C0k- X-Received: from [212.127.190.196] by web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:08:50 PST Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 07:08:50 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <673120.12591.qm@web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <413194.16883.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Martin Subject: Re: Theos-World Tesla/Keely X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38276385; y=wPluctqQO7sHU7zM1HQobxEloMjbNyH37LHXN7-eoHrE4JBOmw X-Yahoo-Profile: mvandertak X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42756 Good for you :-) Trolling is a way of debunking people or topics. Augoeides doesnt even know me, telling me what to do and even has an idea of my soul??? If thats not trolling I must indeed go for a psychiatrist... Every sane person knows that killing just an ant is already causing bad karma, especially when done consciously on purpose, so I am not judging on what has happened in the Twin asbestos Towers, just asking if he too taped the people who were doing other strange things in the surrounding areas. It's an awfull thing to kill your fellow humans: I don't have to be a Red Indian to confirm that nor do I have to be a Japanese little girl surviving Hiroshima. Nor do I have to be a Vietnamese dog which instead of being skinned alive and eaten, being blasted away by napalm. Nor do I have to be an Iraqi woman, tortured and wasted by some allied force, while her children and family are just killed for oil-greed. A war is going on AGAINST terrorists yes, but its the terrorists having caused it 'friendly firing' at eachother. What a way to establish demoncrazy with the above tactics...I bet none of the military read Winning without Battle by Woe Wei. Choose death and you get death, choose life and you get all other..., choose life and give it before others without losing your essence, you get enlightment. --- Cass Silva wrote: > I don't get what you mean Martin. > Cass > > Martin wrote: > Feeding the troll Cass? > > --- Cass Silva wrote: > > > Sorry about that John, I posted this because of my > > interest with the development of the Tesla > > technology, which if implemented, will cause > massive > > destruction in the world. I too wondered about the > > context as it gave no explanation for the > existence > > of the planes and their collision with the towers. > > > > What happened at the Towers was a tragedy and has > > caused a domino effect in terms of tragedy > > throughout the world. > > > > Cass > > > > Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote: > > Cass, > > I taped the planes hitting the Twin Towers and > have > > it all on video live. These people are nuts and so > > are you for drinking their poison so willingly and > > without any compassion 9it disgusts me to see this > > allowed on this Forum!!! > > John > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Cass Silva > > From Andrew Johnson (UK): > > > > > > PRESS RELEASE ON WORLD TRADE CENTER-HUTCHISON > EFFECT > > PARALLEL > > > > > > http://www.prlog. org/10048184- scientists- > > see-wtc-hutchiso n-effect- parallel. html > > Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel > > 14th and 18th January 2008, Washington DC, USA - > In > > two appearances on a Washington DC Pacifica Radio > > Station, WPFW, on a show hosted by Author and > > Political Commentator Ambrose I. Lane, Sr., Dr. > Judy > > Wood, a former Professor of Mechanical > Engineering, > > and John Hutchison, experimental scientist, > > discussed how photographic and video evidence > > suggest that the World Trade Centre (WTC) towers > > were destroyed using Directed Energy Weapons > (DEW). > > Many of the observed effects resemble those seen > in > > John Hutchison's experiments. > > > > In early January 2008, Wood posted a new study on > > her website (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ), > > which relates effects seen in photographs taken > > before, during and after the destruction of the > WTC > > complex, to effects seen in Hutchison's ongoing > > experiments. Wood and Hutchison co-authored the > > study. > > > > John Hutchison is a Canadian inventor and > > experimental scientist who has been working with > > "field effects" for almost 30 years. The Hutchison > > Effect is a collection of phenomena discovered > > accidentally by John Hutchison in 1979 during > > attempts to reproduce the work of Nikola Tesla. > > Hutchison uses radio frequency and electrostatic > > sources. The Hutchison Effect occurs in a volume > of > > space where the beams intersect and interfere. The > > results are levitation of heavy objects, fusion of > > dissimilar materials such as metal and wood, > > anomalous melting (without heating) of metals > > without burning adjacent material, spontaneous > > fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in > a > > sideways fashion), and both temporary and > permanent > > changes in the crystalline structure and physical > > properties of metal samples. > > > > Hutchison has reproduced his experiments many > times > > and the results are recorded on video and have > been > > included in a number of TV documentaries that > focus > > on unusual scientific experiments. Hutchison's > metal > > samples have been repeatedly tested by scientists, > > including a group at the Max Planck Institute in > > Germany, confirming Hutchison Effects. > > > > The article by Wood and Hutchison > > (http://drjudywood. com/articles/ JJ) documents > > effects and events seen in the vicinity of the > World > > Trade Centre and compares these with observed > > characteristics of the Hutchison Effect. > > > > The observed effects include: > > > > "Weird Fires" - The fires seen near the badly > > damaged cars do not seem to ignite nearby office > > paper. Some photos show firefighters walking very > > close to or even through the fires. A video by > John > > Hutchison shows similar looking "fires" on a model > > metal boat. > > > > Bent Beams and "Jellification" - Samples that > > Hutchison produced show very unusual effects on > > metal. Sometimes the metal "jellifies," turning > soft > > and losing form, leading to severe bending or > > fracturing of the sample. Sometimes samples erupt > > from the centre and sometimes they turn to dust, > > similar to what happened to the WTC on 9/11. > > > > Ongoing reactions - Hutchison's samples often show > > an ongoing reaction, even after the energy field > is > > removed. This "non-self-quenching" reaction seems > to > > occur at the nuclear level. This also appears to > be > > happening at Ground Zero (GZ). Dr. Wood's study > > suggests that the WTC site is still being > > "decontaminated," with trucks moving dirt into and > > out of the site, while "hosing down operations" > > continue, which Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson > > photographed and recorded on video in January > 2008. > > > > Transmutation - Sometimes materials subjected to > the > > Hutchison Effect seem to change at a molecular or > > even atomic level. This could be the explanation > for > > the apparent rapid rusting at GZ, where steel > rusts > > like iron. Also, some photographs show unusual > > effects on the aluminium cladding used on the twin > > towers that look similar to effects produced on > > Hutchison's aluminum samples. > > > > Wood, Hutchison, and Johnson appeared on two > Ambrose > > Lane shows, "We Ourselves," and discussed the > > similarities between the WTC event and the > > experimental evidence produced by the Hutchison > > Effect. "I have been collecting data over the last > > year and a half or so and I have found these > > distinct and unusual characteristics, which I have > > given names such as 'fuming' and 'toasted' cars ¡V > I > > have even noticed flipped cars in some pictures," > > said Wood. "In some cases, the flipped cars are > > sitting next to trees that are fully covered with > > leaves." > > > > "If the flipping of the cars was caused by big > > explosions or 'wind' from the towers coming down," > > asked Johnson, "how did the leaves stay on the > > trees?" Material scientist George Hathaway > observes > > that the Hutchison Effect causes either lift or > > disruption of the material itself. Lift explains > the > > flipped cars. (http://drjudywood. com/pdf/Hutchiso > > nEffectReport_ txt.pdf ) > > > > In some of his experiments, Hutchison observed > > "spontaneous combustion" where "fires appeared out > > of nowhere." He also confirmed that Col. John > > Alexander and others from the U.S. military > visited > > him in 1983 and filmed his experiments with a team > > from Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL). > > (http://www.weoursel ves.org/mp3/ wpfw_011808_ > > judy-andrew2. mp3 ) Canadian MP Chuck Cook and Dr > > Lorn A Kuehne of the Canadian Security > Intelligence > > Service (CSIS) contacted him in 1986 and told him > > his work was "a matter of National Security." > > (http://www.drjudywo od.com/articles/ JJ/JJ8.html) > > Hutchison says he's been told that defense > > contractor, S.A.I.C., has his technology and has > > been developing it. (http://drjudywood. com/media/ > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Find them online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sat Feb 02 14:24:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27137 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 22:24:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 22:24:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.113) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 22:24:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89564 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 22:24:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HdHodFoVM1kmeU5sZcAtl3hBx2oVT_8vDUhsLNziNsKJ6icLnPeLFDxzOVjSDXKc7Aut0M2N3BinjiRhpUhqk.XTMEqt7pIEjtPctFBADzfJ5SE5Y86SpKJXD3a6M56NZ9WC_3Rdx6yv.ey3Dt0EvvKJXg-- X-Received: from [58.107.40.201] by web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:24:17 PST Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:24:17 -0800 (PST) To: Theosophy MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <884902.88852.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Holograms - Leon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=I-gf5p4Ra02qMIJxES9L8hIa4Pwxno5zzxX8ZR8pK8gszRJ-aw X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42758 Hi Leon, I was wondering if you would know if WE now have the technology to project Holograms? I am asking this question as I recently saw Prince Phillip projected as a Hologram. If this is the case, then would it be possible to project a hologram into the skies in the image of a christ or whatever, and not that I want to start a riot here over 911 but would you know if there is any possibility that the planes we saw were holograms and if so, would they have had the capacity to knock out the towers? Cass --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Sat Feb 02 22:14:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78405 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2008 06:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2008 06:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2008 06:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d66.232d3982 (37691) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 01:13:55 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [66.229.64.15] (c-66-229-64-15.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [66.229.64.15]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB087-933b47a55ba3105; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:13:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <884902.88852.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <884902.88852.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <30A957DB-5BCF-44A5-82B2-F389D6C8E756@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 01:13:55 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-AOL-IP: 66.229.64.15 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Leon Maurer Subject: Re: Theos-World Holograms - Leon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=7nFruMiQBCB2DVZHtNw_FH5RtNgDzlSPcW1TwMrrhvNS86VOqB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42759 Hi Cass, I'm afraid that -- while I know about how holograms are projected in small closed theater spaces that can be viewed by a few people at a time (it's been done at Disneyland and Disneyworld at several sites in the US), and also know that the Russians have developed a holographic theatrical movie projection system that seems to work -- such projected holograms are nothing more than pure light images that have no physical or material substantiality. Therefore, even if planes could be projected as holographs, they would have no effect on a physical building. So, since I actually saw the twin towers hit and coming down while it was happening, I'm sure the planes you saw in the replay were certainly not holographs. (BTW, "holograms" are actually the interference patterns on film that encode the projected holographs.) As for Christ in the sky, I'm certain it could be done someday using high powdered laser projectors, perhaps, but I have no idea how far that technology has progressed, or whether it's economically feasible to even invest in research and development. Leon On Feb 2, 2008, at 2/2/085:24 PM, Cass Silva wrote: > Hi Leon, > I was wondering if you would know if WE now have the technology > to project Holograms? I am asking this question as I recently saw > Prince Phillip projected as a Hologram. If this is the case, then > would it be possible to project a hologram into the skies in the > image of a christ or whatever, and not that I want to start a riot > here over 911 but would you know if there is any possibility that > the planes we saw were holograms and if so, would they have had the > capacity to knock out the towers? > > Cass > > > From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sun Feb 03 14:15:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58113 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2008 22:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2008 22:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52