From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Tue Jan 01 02:08:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53172 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 10:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2008 10:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 10:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2008 10:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2008 10:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2008 10:08:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:08:15 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47797877.9655.71F3790@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.237.59.54 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=yjjrTS5slvQOMO-KX_WMHctMrCfR6U5v9W5UbkjfWYT1sjs5 X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42453 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" wrote: > Might it not be possible that different individuals occupy bodies=20 > that have different requirements? From one point of view we might=20 > assume that meat, for instance, would only be available to eat if=20 > there were those who needed it. Others do not and need not eat it=20 There are regional differences. The inhabitants of far north, if have=20 any choice, only have to choose between different kinds of meat. So we=20 can conclude that their karma has placed them into such conditions. In some regions of India, on contrary, meat meal is hard to find. But we in Europe can choose, so responsibility is ours. From adelasie@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 01 07:48:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: adelasie@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17623 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 15:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2008 15:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.90) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 15:48:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13628 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 15:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.103?) (adelasie@sbcglobal.net@64.166.167.212 with login) by smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 15:48:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ywEVIrMVM1khzo7jfKmG24t.4srm.TsKgOyFsNvH8p86zokO3zIml_RjTX0UqdK1RknRgEVf3Q-- To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 07:52:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4779F13E.445.8F701E1@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <47797877.9655.71F3790@adelasie.sbcglobal.net>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "adelasie" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161282999 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42454 If we assume that what we humans eat is somehow related to our evolution on the path of consciousness, and we assume, as is done here apparently, that humans who eat meat are less highly evolved than those who do not, we are making things a bit too simple, in my opinion. Evolution and Karma are highly complex and perhaps even beyond our ability at this time to fully comprehend. Might it not be possible that in the complexity of the evolution of an individual there could be someone, or maybe even many someones, whose body actually needs the kind of protein found in animal flesh? After all, it has served as food for humans for eons out of mind. Might it not also be possible that that individual could be very highly evolved in many other ways, interiorly? We assume that we understand instructions when we interpret them literally, but might it not be possible that we could understand better if we read a bit more deeply? What of the implicit judgement we make of another, when we say that they should not eat meat, that they are making the wrong choice, somehow doing something wrong? What if the person eating meat has an attitude of complete gratitude and acceptance, while the person eating only vegetables is cruel and selfish, grasping and judgemental? Would we not maybe deduce that what a person eats is not as important as how a person manifests the inner realities in his daily life? It is perfectly reasonable for an individual student of occultism to take to heart instructions that seem valuable and current to him and decide, for instance, to change his diet out of a deeper understanding of the reality of the unity of all life. It becomes a bit more problematic when the student decides that since he has made that decision, others who have not made it are wrong and less developed and should do as he does. It might be at that point, in fact, that the benefit derived from a more pure diet is offset by the damage incurred by intolerance. Adelasie On 1 Jan 2008 at 10:08, Konstantin Zaitzev wrote: > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" wrote: > > > Might it not be possible that different individuals occupy bodies > > that have different requirements? From one point of view we might > > assume that meat, for instance, would only be available to eat if > > there were those who needed it. Others do not and need not eat it > > There are regional differences. The inhabitants of far north, if have > any choice, only have to choose between different kinds of meat. So we > can conclude that their karma has placed them into such conditions. > In some regions of India, on contrary, meat meal is hard to find. > But we in Europe can choose, so responsibility is ours. > > From mkr777@gmail.com Tue Jan 01 08:36:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79458 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 16:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2008 16:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 16:36:43 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so11872597wah.1 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:36:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.168.1 with SMTP id q1mr12564346wae.73.1199205402923; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:36:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.90.7 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:36:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:36:42 -0600 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4779F13E.445.8F701E1@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47797877.9655.71F3790@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> <4779F13E.445.8F701E1@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MKR Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=ed4BGLAMLW4cZRyxgN4R2wN3SiQzlCRfe4O_DaZUnhKYZRrcbio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42455 We cannot judge others as to what they do and why. All we can do is to share information. I have told many times, I would prefer a honest meat eater to a crook who is a vegetarian. mkr On 1/1/08, adelasie wrote: > > If we assume that what we humans eat is somehow related to our > evolution on the path of consciousness, and we assume, as is done > here apparently, that humans who eat meat are less highly evolved > than those who do not, we are making things a bit too simple, in my > opinion. Evolution and Karma are highly complex and perhaps even > beyond our ability at this time to fully comprehend. Might it not be > possible that in the complexity of the evolution of an individual > there could be someone, or maybe even many someones, whose body > actually needs the kind of protein found in animal flesh? After all, > it has served as food for humans for eons out of mind. Might it not > also be possible that that individual could be very highly evolved in > many other ways, interiorly? We assume that we understand > instructions when we interpret them literally, but might it not be > possible that we could understand better if we read a bit more > deeply? > > What of the implicit judgement we make of another, when we say that > they should not eat meat, that they are making the wrong choice, > somehow doing something wrong? What if the person eating meat has an > attitude of complete gratitude and acceptance, while the person > eating only vegetables is cruel and selfish, grasping and > judgemental? Would we not maybe deduce that what a person eats is not > as important as how a person manifests the inner realities in his > daily life? > > It is perfectly reasonable for an individual student of occultism to > take to heart instructions that seem valuable and current to him and > decide, for instance, to change his diet out of a deeper > understanding of the reality of the unity of all life. It becomes a > bit more problematic when the student decides that since he has made > that decision, others who have not made it are wrong and less > developed and should do as he does. It might be at that point, in > fact, that the benefit derived from a more pure diet is offset by the > damage incurred by intolerance. > > Adelasie > > On 1 Jan 2008 at 10:08, Konstantin Zaitzev wrote: > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , > "adelasie" wrote: > > > > > Might it not be possible that different individuals occupy bodies > > > that have different requirements? From one point of view we might > > > assume that meat, for instance, would only be available to eat if > > > there were those who needed it. Others do not and need not eat it > > > > There are regional differences. The inhabitants of far north, if have > > any choice, only have to choose between different kinds of meat. So we > > can conclude that their karma has placed them into such conditions. > > In some regions of India, on contrary, meat meal is hard to find. > > But we in Europe can choose, so responsibility is ours. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Tue Jan 01 10:05:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40798 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 18:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2008 18:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 18:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2008 18:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2008 18:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2008 18:05:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:05:29 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=m7SQ2_hi-HZLzHM-oow_GhVwLK_qnbZyDUa0C4Re7Wj_jwY_AxXv12QarUtzPMc X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42456 Also of any importance is what is going out the mouth, than what is=20 going in. Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR wrote: > > We cannot judge others as to what they do and why. All we can do=20 is to share > information. I have told many times, I would prefer a honest meat=20 eater to > a crook who is a vegetarian. >=20 > mkr >=20 >=20 > On 1/1/08, adelasie wrote: > > > > If we assume that what we humans eat is somehow related to our > > evolution on the path of consciousness, and we assume, as is done > > here apparently, that humans who eat meat are less highly evolved > > than those who do not, we are making things a bit too simple, in=20 my > > opinion. Evolution and Karma are highly complex and perhaps even > > beyond our ability at this time to fully comprehend. Might it=20 not be > > possible that in the complexity of the evolution of an individual > > there could be someone, or maybe even many someones, whose body > > actually needs the kind of protein found in animal flesh? After=20 all, > > it has served as food for humans for eons out of mind. Might it=20 not > > also be possible that that individual could be very highly=20 evolved in > > many other ways, interiorly? We assume that we understand > > instructions when we interpret them literally, but might it not=20 be > > possible that we could understand better if we read a bit more > > deeply? > > > > What of the implicit judgement we make of another, when we say=20 that > > they should not eat meat, that they are making the wrong choice, > > somehow doing something wrong? What if the person eating meat=20 has an > > attitude of complete gratitude and acceptance, while the person > > eating only vegetables is cruel and selfish, grasping and > > judgemental? Would we not maybe deduce that what a person eats=20 is not > > as important as how a person manifests the inner realities in his > > daily life? > > > > It is perfectly reasonable for an individual student of=20 occultism to > > take to heart instructions that seem valuable and current to him=20 and > > decide, for instance, to change his diet out of a deeper > > understanding of the reality of the unity of all life. It=20 becomes a > > bit more problematic when the student decides that since he has=20 made > > that decision, others who have not made it are wrong and less > > developed and should do as he does. It might be at that point, in > > fact, that the benefit derived from a more pure diet is offset=20 by the > > damage incurred by intolerance. > > > > Adelasie > > > > On 1 Jan 2008 at 10:08, Konstantin Zaitzev wrote: > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , > > "adelasie" wrote: > > > > > > > Might it not be possible that different individuals occupy=20 bodies > > > > that have different requirements? From one point of view we=20 might > > > > assume that meat, for instance, would only be available to=20 eat if > > > > there were those who needed it. Others do not and need not=20 eat it > > > > > > There are regional differences. The inhabitants of far north,=20 if have > > > any choice, only have to choose between different kinds of=20 meat. So we > > > can conclude that their karma has placed them into such=20 conditions. > > > In some regions of India, on contrary, meat meal is hard to=20 find. > > > But we in Europe can choose, so responsibility is ours. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mkr777@gmail.com Tue Jan 01 10:36:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98258 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 18:36:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2008 18:36:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 18:36:23 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so8540391wah.23 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:36:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.168.1 with SMTP id q1mr12662456wae.73.1199212583226; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:36:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.90.7 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:36:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:36:23 -0600 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MKR Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=lJdQdNiRbsYz0FTYL7XnPD5VtPCHzEUVCIN0HxQOWtyg70-xUNY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42457 I also recall a statement in ML that the physical impediments such as meat, alcohol etc are more easy to deal with than beliefs and superstitions. There is also statement that AP Sinnett had no beliefs so it was easy to communicate with him theosophicals ideas. I think, it is wrong to just zero in on one aspect ignoring all others. I am yet to see an individual who got enlightened by giving up, meat, alcohol, sex, money, etc. etc. while giving them up may simplify lives. mkr On 1/1/08, christinaleestemaker wrote: > > Also of any importance is what is going out the mouth, than what is > going in. > Christina > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , MKR > wrote: > > > > We cannot judge others as to what they do and why. All we can do > is to share > > information. I have told many times, I would prefer a honest meat > eater to > > a crook who is a vegetarian. > > > > mkr > > > > > > On 1/1/08, adelasie wrote: > > > > > > If we assume that what we humans eat is somehow related to our > > > evolution on the path of consciousness, and we assume, as is done > > > here apparently, that humans who eat meat are less highly evolved > > > than those who do not, we are making things a bit too simple, in > my > > > opinion. Evolution and Karma are highly complex and perhaps even > > > beyond our ability at this time to fully comprehend. Might it > not be > > > possible that in the complexity of the evolution of an individual > > > there could be someone, or maybe even many someones, whose body > > > actually needs the kind of protein found in animal flesh? After > all, > > > it has served as food for humans for eons out of mind. Might it > not > > > also be possible that that individual could be very highly > evolved in > > > many other ways, interiorly? We assume that we understand > > > instructions when we interpret them literally, but might it not > be > > > possible that we could understand better if we read a bit more > > > deeply? > > > > > > What of the implicit judgement we make of another, when we say > that > > > they should not eat meat, that they are making the wrong choice, > > > somehow doing something wrong? What if the person eating meat > has an > > > attitude of complete gratitude and acceptance, while the person > > > eating only vegetables is cruel and selfish, grasping and > > > judgemental? Would we not maybe deduce that what a person eats > is not > > > as important as how a person manifests the inner realities in his > > > daily life? > > > > > > It is perfectly reasonable for an individual student of > occultism to > > > take to heart instructions that seem valuable and current to him > and > > > decide, for instance, to change his diet out of a deeper > > > understanding of the reality of the unity of all life. It > becomes a > > > bit more problematic when the student decides that since he has > made > > > that decision, others who have not made it are wrong and less > > > developed and should do as he does. It might be at that point, in > > > fact, that the benefit derived from a more pure diet is offset > by the > > > damage incurred by intolerance. > > > > > > Adelasie > > > > > > On 1 Jan 2008 at 10:08, Konstantin Zaitzev wrote: > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com talk%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "adelasie" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Might it not be possible that different individuals occupy > bodies > > > > > that have different requirements? From one point of view we > might > > > > > assume that meat, for instance, would only be available to > eat if > > > > > there were those who needed it. Others do not and need not > eat it > > > > > > > > There are regional differences. The inhabitants of far north, > if have > > > > any choice, only have to choose between different kinds of > meat. So we > > > > can conclude that their karma has placed them into such > conditions. > > > > In some regions of India, on contrary, meat meal is hard to > find. > > > > But we in Europe can choose, so responsibility is ours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzyan@online.de Tue Jan 01 14:18:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64694 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 22:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2008 22:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 22:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db969c3.pool.einsundeins.de [77.185.105.195]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1J9pRm3l0Q-0005hx; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: <010a01c84cc4$a7a57a80$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:18:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1//Daj+5rXJ25Mo6iYoVnH5uTJJY/LvOcCOHrp zCzjm84YNfXdzuo3a8DDry/+NGC7RSKJsXCG/Ca25RQs5TbCyv ZAOVcEIqorNKTH4MumKpHK4aHYons8g X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=CqMPRzNcg0TtacyrxOh2cMJM2JyRUfQA5JTkSHvJnvERhMo7QH6_9M_KTw X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42458 Why should a Master not speak with people like Sinnett if they wish? They never planned to make a chela out of him, did they? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: MKR To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship I also recall a statement in ML that the physical impediments such as meat, alcohol etc are more easy to deal with than beliefs and superstitions. There is also statement that AP Sinnett had no beliefs so it was easy to communicate with him theosophicals ideas. I think, it is wrong to just zero in on one aspect ignoring all others. I am yet to see an individual who got enlightened by giving up, meat, alcohol, sex, money, etc. etc. while giving them up may simplify lives. mkr On 1/1/08, christinaleestemaker wrote: > > Also of any importance is what is going out the mouth, than what is > going in. > Christina > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , MKR > wrote: > > > > We cannot judge others as to what they do and why. All we can do > is to share > > information. I have told many times, I would prefer a honest meat > eater to > > a crook who is a vegetarian. > > > > mkr > > > > > > On 1/1/08, adelasie wrote: > > > > > > If we assume that what we humans eat is somehow related to our > > > evolution on the path of consciousness, and we assume, as is done > > > here apparently, that humans who eat meat are less highly evolved > > > than those who do not, we are making things a bit too simple, in > my > > > opinion. Evolution and Karma are highly complex and perhaps even > > > beyond our ability at this time to fully comprehend. Might it > not be > > > possible that in the complexity of the evolution of an individual > > > there could be someone, or maybe even many someones, whose body > > > actually needs the kind of protein found in animal flesh? After > all, > > > it has served as food for humans for eons out of mind. Might it > not > > > also be possible that that individual could be very highly > evolved in > > > many other ways, interiorly? We assume that we understand > > > instructions when we interpret them literally, but might it not > be > > > possible that we could understand better if we read a bit more > > > deeply? > > > > > > What of the implicit judgement we make of another, when we say > that > > > they should not eat meat, that they are making the wrong choice, > > > somehow doing something wrong? What if the person eating meat > has an > > > attitude of complete gratitude and acceptance, while the person > > > eating only vegetables is cruel and selfish, grasping and > > > judgemental? Would we not maybe deduce that what a person eats > is not > > > as important as how a person manifests the inner realities in his > > > daily life? > > > > > > It is perfectly reasonable for an individual student of > occultism to > > > take to heart instructions that seem valuable and current to him > and > > > decide, for instance, to change his diet out of a deeper > > > understanding of the reality of the unity of all life. It > becomes a > > > bit more problematic when the student decides that since he has > made > > > that decision, others who have not made it are wrong and less > > > developed and should do as he does. It might be at that point, in > > > fact, that the benefit derived from a more pure diet is offset > by the > > > damage incurred by intolerance. > > > > > > Adelasie > > > > > > On 1 Jan 2008 at 10:08, Konstantin Zaitzev wrote: > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > > > > talk%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "adelasie" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Might it not be possible that different individuals occupy > bodies > > > > > that have different requirements? From one point of view we > might > > > > > assume that meat, for instance, would only be available to > eat if > > > > > there were those who needed it. Others do not and need not > eat it > > > > > > > > There are regional differences. The inhabitants of far north, > if have > > > > any choice, only have to choose between different kinds of > meat. So we > > > > can conclude that their karma has placed them into such > conditions. > > > > In some regions of India, on contrary, meat meal is hard to > find. > > > > But we in Europe can choose, so responsibility is ours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzyan@online.de Tue Jan 01 14:18:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64694 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 22:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2008 22:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 22:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db969c3.pool.einsundeins.de [77.185.105.195]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1J9pRm3l0Q-0005hx; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: <010a01c84cc4$a7a57a80$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:18:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1//Daj+5rXJ25Mo6iYoVnH5uTJJY/LvOcCOHrp zCzjm84YNfXdzuo3a8DDry/+NGC7RSKJsXCG/Ca25RQs5TbCyv ZAOVcEIqorNKTH4MumKpHK4aHYons8g X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=CqMPRzNcg0TtacyrxOh2cMJM2JyRUfQA5JTkSHvJnvERhMo7QH6_9M_KTw X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42459 Why should a Master not speak with people like Sinnett if they wish? They never planned to make a chela out of him, did they? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: MKR To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship I also recall a statement in ML that the physical impediments such as meat, alcohol etc are more easy to deal with than beliefs and superstitions. There is also statement that AP Sinnett had no beliefs so it was easy to communicate with him theosophicals ideas. I think, it is wrong to just zero in on one aspect ignoring all others. I am yet to see an individual who got enlightened by giving up, meat, alcohol, sex, money, etc. etc. while giving them up may simplify lives. mkr On 1/1/08, christinaleestemaker wrote: > > Also of any importance is what is going out the mouth, than what is > going in. > Christina > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , MKR > wrote: > > > > We cannot judge others as to what they do and why. All we can do > is to share > > information. I have told many times, I would prefer a honest meat > eater to > > a crook who is a vegetarian. > > > > mkr > > > > > > On 1/1/08, adelasie wrote: > > > > > > If we assume that what we humans eat is somehow related to our > > > evolution on the path of consciousness, and we assume, as is done > > > here apparently, that humans who eat meat are less highly evolved > > > than those who do not, we are making things a bit too simple, in > my > > > opinion. Evolution and Karma are highly complex and perhaps even > > > beyond our ability at this time to fully comprehend. Might it > not be > > > possible that in the complexity of the evolution of an individual > > > there could be someone, or maybe even many someones, whose body > > > actually needs the kind of protein found in animal flesh? After > all, > > > it has served as food for humans for eons out of mind. Might it > not > > > also be possible that that individual could be very highly > evolved in > > > many other ways, interiorly? We assume that we understand > > > instructions when we interpret them literally, but might it not > be > > > possible that we could understand better if we read a bit more > > > deeply? > > > > > > What of the implicit judgement we make of another, when we say > that > > > they should not eat meat, that they are making the wrong choice, > > > somehow doing something wrong? What if the person eating meat > has an > > > attitude of complete gratitude and acceptance, while the person > > > eating only vegetables is cruel and selfish, grasping and > > > judgemental? Would we not maybe deduce that what a person eats > is not > > > as important as how a person manifests the inner realities in his > > > daily life? > > > > > > It is perfectly reasonable for an individual student of > occultism to > > > take to heart instructions that seem valuable and current to him > and > > > decide, for instance, to change his diet out of a deeper > > > understanding of the reality of the unity of all life. It > becomes a > > > bit more problematic when the student decides that since he has > made > > > that decision, others who have not made it are wrong and less > > > developed and should do as he does. It might be at that point, in > > > fact, that the benefit derived from a more pure diet is offset > by the > > > damage incurred by intolerance. > > > > > > Adelasie > > > > > > On 1 Jan 2008 at 10:08, Konstantin Zaitzev wrote: > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > > > > talk%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "adelasie" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Might it not be possible that different individuals occupy > bodies > > > > > that have different requirements? From one point of view we > might > > > > > assume that meat, for instance, would only be available to > eat if > > > > > there were those who needed it. Others do not and need not > eat it > > > > > > > > There are regional differences. The inhabitants of far north, > if have > > > > any choice, only have to choose between different kinds of > meat. So we > > > > can conclude that their karma has placed them into such > conditions. > > > > In some regions of India, on contrary, meat meal is hard to > find. > > > > But we in Europe can choose, so responsibility is ours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzyan@online.de Tue Jan 01 14:18:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64694 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 22:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2008 22:18:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2008 22:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db969c3.pool.einsundeins.de [77.185.105.195]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1J9pRm3l0Q-0005hx; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: <010a01c84cc4$a7a57a80$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:18:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1//Daj+5rXJ25Mo6iYoVnH5uTJJY/LvOcCOHrp zCzjm84YNfXdzuo3a8DDry/+NGC7RSKJsXCG/Ca25RQs5TbCyv ZAOVcEIqorNKTH4MumKpHK4aHYons8g X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=CqMPRzNcg0TtacyrxOh2cMJM2JyRUfQA5JTkSHvJnvERhMo7QH6_9M_KTw X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42460 Why should a Master not speak with people like Sinnett if they wish? They never planned to make a chela out of him, did they? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: MKR To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship I also recall a statement in ML that the physical impediments such as meat, alcohol etc are more easy to deal with than beliefs and superstitions. There is also statement that AP Sinnett had no beliefs so it was easy to communicate with him theosophicals ideas. I think, it is wrong to just zero in on one aspect ignoring all others. I am yet to see an individual who got enlightened by giving up, meat, alcohol, sex, money, etc. etc. while giving them up may simplify lives. mkr On 1/1/08, christinaleestemaker wrote: > > Also of any importance is what is going out the mouth, than what is > going in. > Christina > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , MKR > wrote: > > > > We cannot judge others as to what they do and why. All we can do > is to share > > information. I have told many times, I would prefer a honest meat > eater to > > a crook who is a vegetarian. > > > > mkr > > > > > > On 1/1/08, adelasie wrote: > > > > > > If we assume that what we humans eat is somehow related to our > > > evolution on the path of consciousness, and we assume, as is done > > > here apparently, that humans who eat meat are less highly evolved > > > than those who do not, we are making things a bit too simple, in > my > > > opinion. Evolution and Karma are highly complex and perhaps even > > > beyond our ability at this time to fully comprehend. Might it > not be > > > possible that in the complexity of the evolution of an individual > > > there could be someone, or maybe even many someones, whose body > > > actually needs the kind of protein found in animal flesh? After > all, > > > it has served as food for humans for eons out of mind. Might it > not > > > also be possible that that individual could be very highly > evolved in > > > many other ways, interiorly? We assume that we understand > > > instructions when we interpret them literally, but might it not > be > > > possible that we could understand better if we read a bit more > > > deeply? > > > > > > What of the implicit judgement we make of another, when we say > that > > > they should not eat meat, that they are making the wrong choice, > > > somehow doing something wrong? What if the person eating meat > has an > > > attitude of complete gratitude and acceptance, while the person > > > eating only vegetables is cruel and selfish, grasping and > > > judgemental? Would we not maybe deduce that what a person eats > is not > > > as important as how a person manifests the inner realities in his > > > daily life? > > > > > > It is perfectly reasonable for an individual student of > occultism to > > > take to heart instructions that seem valuable and current to him > and > > > decide, for instance, to change his diet out of a deeper > > > understanding of the reality of the unity of all life. It > becomes a > > > bit more problematic when the student decides that since he has > made > > > that decision, others who have not made it are wrong and less > > > developed and should do as he does. It might be at that point, in > > > fact, that the benefit derived from a more pure diet is offset > by the > > > damage incurred by intolerance. > > > > > > Adelasie > > > > > > On 1 Jan 2008 at 10:08, Konstantin Zaitzev wrote: > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > > > > talk%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "adelasie" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Might it not be possible that different individuals occupy > bodies > > > > > that have different requirements? From one point of view we > might > > > > > assume that meat, for instance, would only be available to > eat if > > > > > there were those who needed it. Others do not and need not > eat it > > > > > > > > There are regional differences. The inhabitants of far north, > if have > > > > any choice, only have to choose between different kinds of > meat. So we > > > > can conclude that their karma has placed them into such > conditions. > > > > In some regions of India, on contrary, meat meal is hard to > find. > > > > But we in Europe can choose, so responsibility is ours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzyan@online.de Tue Jan 01 21:13:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46299 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 05:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 05:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.186) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 05:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db82069.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.32.105]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1J9vuZ2shF-0003Rx; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:13:03 +0100 Message-ID: <01e401c84cfe$82fd9480$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:55:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Wo+pzD6KYkj1G5J2O4ItFnbYqSGnjunpVRwM s1/vLdNM93LVCTXa+/oRlsabTjuGlJ8DFdSOrJFm96rG3Vs7qf BwcP4uF09WpssOfB7TJy9A6h4UwrT3h X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=jfDgdKdFrXBORIr29ohPLlat-YQGW4pvqzyQ1kJqeiWEoZ7sRxVdlJfL_A X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42461 > Its well known that HPB was a chain smoker and addicted to > nicotine and possibly hash. Richard, WHO says that she used hash? As far as I know, this rumour comes only from a New York reporter and HPB has contradicted. Frank From phtep@hotmail.com Tue Jan 01 22:59:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: phtep@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38279 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 06:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 06:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 06:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 06:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 06:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 06:59:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:58:59 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010a01c84cc4$a7a57a80$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.77.252.130 From: "Marko Manninen" Subject: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94373295; y=9y3QiJi6U5MnEFhOENbbGgbZ_hzPpVzrGTGy-i4_6FU X-Yahoo-Profile: phtep X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42462 On ML#62 K.H. talks to Sinnett: """True you have offered several times to give up meat and drink,=20 and I have refused. Since you cannot become a regular chela why should=20 you? I thought you had understood all this long ago; that you had resigned= =20 yourself, satisfied to wait patiently for future developments and for my=20 personal freedom.""" And earlier: """My poor, blind friend -- you are entirely unfit for practical occultism!= =20 Its laws are immutable; and no one can go back on an order once given... If= =20 my voice, the voice of one who was ever friendly to you in the human=20 principle of his being -- fails to reach you as it has often before, then=20 our separation in the present and for all times to come -- becomes=20 unavoidable. It pains me for you, whose heart I read so well -- every=20 protest and doubt of your purely intellectual nature, of your cold Western= =20 reason -- notwithstanding""" So it seems, Sinnett was never meant to be a chela, so he didnt stand for=20 chelaship either. And discontinuation of comminucation by the letters was=20 not about "eating habits" but Sinnets beliefs??? What did he so wrong? Then on ML#48: """she is delivering herself of actual, incontrovertible facts. And why?=20 Because both Maitland and herself as well as their circle -- are strict=20 vegetarians, while S.M. is a flesh-eater and a wine and liquor drinker.=20 Never will the Spiritualists find reliable, trustworthy mediums and Seers=20 (not even to a degree) so long as the latter and their "circle" will=20 saturate themselves with animal blood, and the millions of infusoria of=20 the fermented fluids. Since my return I found it impossible for me to=20 breathe -- even in the atmosphere of the Headquarters! M. had to=20 interfere, and to force the whole household to give up meat; and they=20 had, all of them, to be purified and thoroughly cleansed with various=20 disinfecting drugs before I could even help myself to my letters. And=20 I am not, as you may imagine, half as sensitive to the loathsome=20 emanations as a tolerably respectable disembodied shell would be,=20 -- leaving out of question a real PRESENCE, though but a "projecting"=20 one. In a year or so, perchance earlier, I may find myself hardened=20 again. At present I find it impossible -- do what I may.""" I've found Them being quite clear on that subject, IF you are called=20 for chelaship and even further for a chela. But then, i still can=20 understand eating meat on rare occasions, as Blavatsky an Olcott may=20 have on their later life.=20 Our body is changing all the time, most of the cells are changed in=20 some months and years. Damodar says it takes seven years to make a new=20 body and chelaship is meant for that purpose only. But physical constitutio= n=20 is not changed by eating and outer habits only, but more importantly what=20 we think and feel. It is interesting to find, that even if our cells are=20 changed, we still think we are same personality.=20 When i searched for scientific explanation and confirmation, i came to this= : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/17/the_odd_body_cell_age/ As someone repeated words of Jesus, its not about what we eat, but what we "talk", think and feel so to speak. And thats why im interested of=20 qualifications of chelaship. I think that questions comes inevitably, if we dont want to be only speculative scientists on occult field. Not to say, it= =20 is unworth to speculate things like these. Thought precedes action, or shou= ld=20 at least. So the transmutation of the body is needed. But why should one aim to that? Do we need Masters and their school to help us, aren't we a part of the Uni= ty=20 including all the knowledge to reach them by ourselves? --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > >=20 > Why should a Master not speak with people like Sinnett if they wish? > They never planned to make a chela out of him, did they? > Frank >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: MKR > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship >=20 >=20 > I also recall a statement in ML that the physical impediments such as mea= t, > alcohol etc are more easy to deal with than beliefs and superstitions. Th= ere > is also statement that AP Sinnett had no beliefs so it was easy to > communicate with him theosophicals ideas. I think, it is wrong to just ze= ro > in on one aspect ignoring all others. I am yet to see an individual who g= ot > enlightened by giving up, meat, alcohol, sex, money, etc. etc. while givi= ng > them up may simplify lives. >=20 > mkr From phtep@hotmail.com Tue Jan 01 23:47:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: phtep@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96370 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 07:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 07:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2c.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 07:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n2.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 07:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 07:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 07:47:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:47:14 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01e501c84cfe$833b87e0$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.77.252.130 From: "Marko Manninen" Subject: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94373295; y=B9--YPQ6iPUICl0Ih4dmaIA9tplewDpVBes7Jfhyffw X-Yahoo-Profile: phtep X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42463 I also recall Blavatsky saying, "dont do what i do, but what i say"... not = to imitate her actions=20 and habits, but consider what shes saying. I think there are people, that i= nspire us by their=20 deeds and other, that inspire us by their words. And its same by following = deed and words.=20 Jesus said on Luke 6:46-47:=20 """Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? I will show = you what he is like=20 who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice.""" But finally, doing as other says or does blindly is not a good practice, un= til you have such a=20 good karma, you'll be cared by Salvator from start to end. :-) --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > >I've read somewhere that she always said: do what I say but nit what I > do! >=20 > Konstantin, that would be a strange point of view, if she really said thi= s. > I guess, it was quite the other way round! > Frank From dzyan@online.de Wed Jan 02 07:53:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69090 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 15:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 15:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.187) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 15:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db82069.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.32.105]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1JA5uT3wbS-0005aM; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:53:38 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c84d58$009848a0$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:56:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19BU5fCwn0h8vz5O7dduMEDcKFVjdu0IVIt2Jn UtXQYsKMXsKRSrKSscioukiQCI99Xl23s3zfNI8U4/Wee0EZc4 TzsIo+LRwsv/SV34G7Qa72DcSaEdKHP X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=B2lb3_g6zcCRj-77fJ6XsqboS2PeLg8dXG_Mhk03bZ2GrjO61wWGzXYVaA X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42464 What abaout this news: http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Wed Jan 02 08:30:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85663 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 16:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 16:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-7.brturbo.com.br) (200.226.190.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 16:29:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4140 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 15:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from 200-180-67-43.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (HELO SUPERCORDE) ([200.180.67.43]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.64.250.65 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2008 15:20:44 -0000 Message-ID: <004601c84d65$13f6b4b0$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: References: <004e01c84407$08a155f0$b8a2ec7b@13c18q9decf9> <8CA1231A2B96F98-8AC-4356@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:29:39 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "krishtar" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.226.190.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: Re: Theos-World C.W. Leadbeater, A Great Saint & Occultist (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=zrrIWVQakhewQ_yxnOmLxns7su9a9VI4dj1_jXvdZy4siTVR5w X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42465 Which " organ " do you mean? Are you metaphorically speaking? Krishtar ----- Original Message ----- From: Drpsionic@aol.com To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World C.W. Leadbeater, A Great Saint & Occultist (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) And we musn't forget the all-important ability to play the organ and the piano at the same time. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: ANAND GHOLAP To: Anand Gholap Sent: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 1:23 pm Subject: Theos-World C.W. Leadbeater, A Great Saint & Occultist (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) http://www.AnandGholap.net/Theosophy_Pamphlet-Anand_Gholap.pdf - Important pamphlet for studying and spreading Theosophy] " The powers of the Adept are indeed many and wonderful, but they all follow in natural sequence from faculties which we ourselves possess. It is only that They have these faculties in a very much greater degree. I think that the outstanding characteristic of the Adept, as compared with ourselves, is that He looks upon everything from an absolutely different point of view; for there is in Him nothing whatever of the thought of self which is so prominent in the majority of men. The Adept has eliminated the lower self, and is living not for self but for all, and yet, in a way that only He can really understand, that all is truly Himself also. He has reached that stage in which there is no flaw in His character, nothing of a thought or feeling for a personal, separated self, and His only motive is that of helping forward evolution, of working in harmony with the Logos who directs it. Perhaps the next most prominent characteristic is His all-round development. We are all of us imperfect; none has attained the highest level in any line, and even the great scientist or the great saint has usually reached high excellence in one thing only, and there remain other sides of his nature not yet unfolded. All of us possess some germ of all the different characteristics, but always they are but partially awakened, and one much more than another. An Adept, however, is an all-round Man, a Man whose devotion and love and sympathy and compassion are perfect, while at the same time His intellect is something far grander than we can as yet realize, and His spirituality is wonderful and divine. He stands out above and beyond all men whom we know, because of the fact that He is fully developed. " Complete book can be read at http://AnandGholap.net/Masters_And_Path-CWL.htm In Christ. Anand Gholap [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/aaaa 14:02 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 08:32:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97492 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 16:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 16:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 16:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 16:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 16:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 16:32:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:32:41 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007401c84d58$009848a0$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=W6XFjJXI2SM5P91UIAlNwjVHT9j8DUPBlu2JAStBzMTadDH0wnhAgkpmM3UCO5U X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42466 Possibly this is one had losing its way and can be a giant from Easterisland. Here we have not seen on the news yet. Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" =20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > What abaout this news: > http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/ 40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html >=20 > Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! >=20 > Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? >=20 > Frank >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From phtep@hotmail.com Wed Jan 02 09:33:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: phtep@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36023 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 17:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 17:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 17:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 17:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 17:33:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:33:52 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007401c84d58$009848a0$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 88.114.151.117 From: "Marko Manninen" Subject: Re: Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94373295; y=Z-rhQ1I1MhTRRml_-TcHuw4jAd1Eq0I3LBdWdR3RkhA X-Yahoo-Profile: phtep X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42467 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > What abaout this news: > http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html >=20 > Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! >=20 > Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? >=20 > Frank >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > http://padmasrinivas.blogspot.com/2007/05/bhimas-son-gadotkach-like-skeleto= n.html From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Wed Jan 02 10:46:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6298 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 18:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 18:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-7.brturbo.com.br) (200.226.190.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 18:46:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22597 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 17:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from 200-180-67-43.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (HELO SUPERCORDE) ([200.180.67.43]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.64.250.65 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2008 17:37:15 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c84d78$26a7bb00$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:45:39 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "krishtar" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.226.190.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: fake : Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=YnSpF_q3Gl71NGZuEvge-g9-SjP7AEa3TJWZWqzFKuP4xj-oZg X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42468 Hello As a graphic designer I can truly say that it is a nice photoshop montage. The original source is a true paleontological excavation and the original skeleton of some fossile was substituted by this human bones. Nice work of Photoshop! Krishtar ----- Original Message ----- From: Marko Manninen To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: Big skeletons found in India!? --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > > What abaout this news: > http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html > > Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! > > Is this a fake? 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Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/aaaa 12:09 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Wed Jan 02 10:47:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3439 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 18:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 18:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-7.brturbo.com.br) (200.226.190.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 18:47:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23122 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 17:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from 200-180-67-43.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (HELO SUPERCORDE) ([200.180.67.43]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.64.250.65 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2008 17:38:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c84d78$5a68a1c0$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:47:47 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "krishtar" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.226.190.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: fake: Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=JhBlPW_vsAa3lon_dQ27NHIxTTfkzWotVEe_1F_kb19aSQrYYg X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42469 Hello As a graphic designer I can truly say that it is a nice photoshop montage. The original source is a true paleontological excavation and the original=20 skeleton of some fossile was substituted by this human bones. Nice work of Photoshop! That=B4s why photographs can hardly be used as proof in any court. Krishtar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marko Manninen To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: Big skeletons found in India!? --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > > What abaout this news: > http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.htm= l > > Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! > > Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? > > Frank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > http://padmasrinivas.blogspot.com/2007/05/bhimas-son-gadotkach-like-skele= ton.html =20=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/aaa= a=20 12:09 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzyan@online.de Wed Jan 02 11:09:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97814 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 19:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 19:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 19:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db82069.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.32.105]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1JA8xU3hro-0003Bf; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:08:58 +0100 Message-ID: <013301c84d73$4a746920$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:11:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19o1tDhSxBqha8V5Tzab9yxbbKdqzaQaWKamhF dXxztv3O07BxPb2bzBSn1YvQ2HcOcCES5IfAFYKG9Dq3UMkgO9 TayQegvXBo69WB1W3vB6qD9IDa3vvMc X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Does theosophy impugn NASA's moon landing in 1969? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=d0q3SZzCOmmfVlGi2n1_jeHK-7ckan0Jqg9OS-xedVJ7oMHdUM5XrUzm4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42470 1. "Walking [on the moon] was quite easy!" - Buzz Aldrin, interview by Aron Ranen: "Did We Go?" http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=R9pQ1gWzs40&feature=related 2. "What we see when we look up into the starry spaces is the astral body, the kama-rupa of the physical moon that was, aeons and aeons ago, which physical body is now disintegrated into impalpable cosmic dust. We perceive this kama-rupic phantom, because our physical earth is one subplane higher than that on which the physical body of the moon was. Were our scientists by some magic to be transported to the moon, even though they would be able to see it almost as clearly as they see our earth, I do not believe they would find it easy to walk about on its surface, for it is not quite hard enough for easy walking." - Gottfried de Purucker in an E.S. lecture in the Temple of Peace at Point Loma around 1927. According to his chela W. Emmett Small printed first after the stenographic report in question- and answer-form, then in July 1936 as 12-part "Esoteric Instructions", republished as 12-part "Esoteric Teachings", see: http://www.wisdomtraditions.com/esoterict.html and again in 1976 new edited as "Fountain-Source of Occultism", see: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/fso/fso7b.htm#moon. Compare also two diagrams of Helena Blavatsky in her "The Secret Doctrine" about the "Planetary Division" and "The Earth Chain": Diagram 1 in [[Vol. 1, Page]] 153: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-1-08.htm Diagram II in [[Vol. 1, Page]] 172: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-1-09.htm Frank From dzyan@online.de Wed Jan 02 11:27:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31929 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 19:27:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 19:27:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 19:27:49 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db82069.pool.einsundeins.de [77.184.32.105]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1JA9Fk1qzI-0007d2; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:27:48 +0100 Message-ID: <017601c84d75$ec3f6870$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: <004801c84d78$5a68a1c0$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:27:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18aoyk6OsvT0sFRfRfJ4DfUM/F5yrpRQ2RmTyX 6F8z+Pz5rcOKkLqTyf+eSHuheER85SzxGDY46zbDWqgbmWxdjx Z8mYa9yO01mfNruIsaB51jZMy5Mf4/M X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World fake: Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=d-fH8GVj-bIhPlNZuQ0GroF-M3J9izyn0oLsm6B5qIT1la2LY2_QNqOsUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42471 I think you are right, nowadays there is more lie that truth on the way. ----- Original Message ----- From: krishtar To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Theos-World fake: Big skeletons found in India!? Hello As a graphic designer I can truly say that it is a nice photoshop montage. The original source is a true paleontological excavation and the original skeleton of some fossile was substituted by this human bones. Nice work of Photoshop! Thatīs why photographs can hardly be used as proof in any court. Krishtar ----- Original Message ----- From: Marko Manninen To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: Big skeletons found in India!? --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > > What abaout this news: > http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html > > Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! > > Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? > > Frank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > http://padmasrinivas.blogspot.com/2007/05/bhimas-son-gadotkach-like-skeleton.html ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/aaaa 12:09 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Wed Jan 02 13:02:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5598 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 21:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 21:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-7.brturbo.com.br) (200.226.190.1) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 21:02:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15600 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 19:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from 200-180-67-43.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (HELO SUPERCORDE) ([200.180.67.43]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.64.250.65 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2008 19:53:37 -0000 Message-ID: <00b101c84d8b$348f2b50$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: References: <004801c84d78$5a68a1c0$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> <017601c84d75$ec3f6870$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:55:10 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "krishtar" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.226.190.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: reincarnation among different species X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=jPoi3hKAZnQd4hD3bWxZi4huPsh12S0BWe3Y-SjsTTX5Q_mMiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42472 Hello Friends, some authors such as Papus, the esothericist, claim that=20 reincarnation in human species is always in human beings. Some hinduist ones claim that it can also be inbetween more inferior/less=20 evolved beings depending on the acts tjat generated the karma. What else can the theosophical authors set light on this subject about? It=B4s said that man can only have an animal or vegetable body, for exampl= e,=20 in the astral plane - but on earth, man is always human. Krishtar=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 13:23:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18107 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 21:23:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 21:23:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 21:23:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 21:23:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 21:23:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2008 21:23:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:23:12 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b101c84d8b$348f2b50$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: reincarnation among different species X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=uWZWoraBmkwF3V_3RM-Tyk34vB_Ez54CcBaj9x7spBhpUKNCAytY7bum70SFsXo X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42473 You mean that our monade on the moon would be a rock, plant or animal? Then it would be right, they cannot have landed on the moon as humans Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" wrote: > > Hello > Friends, some authors such as Papus, the esothericist, claim that=20 > reincarnation in human species is always in human beings. > Some hinduist ones claim that it can also be inbetween more=20 inferior/less=20 > evolved beings depending on the acts tjat generated the karma. > What else can the theosophical authors set light on this subject=20 about? > It=B4s said that man can only have an animal or vegetable body, for=20 example,=20 > in the astral plane - but on earth, man is always human. >=20 > Krishtar=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Wed Jan 02 16:12:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3034 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 00:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 00:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.48) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 00:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YLA41Y00A0xGWP8050P900; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:12:07 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter19.comcast.net ([204.127.225.119]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YQC01Y00P2bBRH03Y00000; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:12:01 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bJZkYUJU8wwA:10 a=UDKMrEUKCQyG/55tQ5TiBA==:17 a=S_a4TM6tAAAA:8 a=SJaPlK-1-ByG_IFt6vgA:9 a=1soGXc8pT26bf-IPI_IA:7 a=PS5PdYqky6s9HidTZkeKyhAtdo8A:4 a=iYlkOlhu7C0A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=KyHTTHiCzXjKU8AsfakA:9 a=-fSAZNcOwvyN5lZw0d4A:7 a=Z7QVwFVy_R7nsGQKuBJ-Zs_ckOcA:4 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [67.166.128.78] by amailcenter19.comcast.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:12:06 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:12:06 +0000 Message-Id: <010320080012.16143.477C28560008C0CD00003F0F2212059214CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=ctIZFkBMh3lr76o90g_ksJJC1Fi-MkUx36tYS0b_XzgRe5kVIFk9zJg4toSMXzCF X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42474 Frank, This is quite interesting perhaps Konstantine can tell us what the Russian Text says. The Hindu part may be a biased reporter. Holy Cow! The skull alone on one of the skeletons is 6 feet high! Looks real, I will try Googling Nat. Geographic later. Thanks, John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Frank Reitemeyer" What abaout this news: http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzyan@online.de Wed Jan 02 22:21:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26661 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 06:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 06:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.174) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 06:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db96428.pool.einsundeins.de [77.185.100.40]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1JAJS418Ay-00021R; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:21:12 +0100 Message-ID: <02a401c84dd1$3414c860$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: <004801c84d78$5a68a1c0$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> <017601c84d75$ec3f6870$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> <00b101c84d8b$348f2b50$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:23:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Nz8E2nfS0vEQxcwxmtFLwAzLWJHQNtJxNO2t MQyaw+B/2LmBomiKARYVQ2Zw1xiku4IyD2/D/2aIq9IBkD5Ydq mrBuT5VvvXpdoDMzkQ4o2DsawbUmw8E X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World reincarnation among different species X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=pUCpnU_V5NI8KTt9SFqgYuSpwZnptXcvc1EnO_qdaQdAB4oznfJZQ2dFVA X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42475 How many humans have you ever met? How many humans are in the TS? True, HPB confirms that a human soul can only reincarnate as a human soul. But how many gojim have developed their human soul? Are not the most people still beasts? And what in the case of black magic, when consciousness descends? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: krishtar To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:55 PM Subject: Theos-World reincarnation among different species Hello Friends, some authors such as Papus, the esothericist, claim that reincarnation in human species is always in human beings. Some hinduist ones claim that it can also be inbetween more inferior/less evolved beings depending on the acts tjat generated the karma. What else can the theosophical authors set light on this subject about? Itīs said that man can only have an animal or vegetable body, for example, in the astral plane - but on earth, man is always human. Krishtar From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Thu Jan 03 05:08:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89840 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 13:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 13:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-7.brturbo.com.br) (200.226.190.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 13:08:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30306 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 11:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from 189-11-133-25.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (HELO SUPERCORDE) ([189.11.133.25]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.64.250.67 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Jan 2008 11:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <007501c84e12$1c568830$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: References: <010320080012.16143.477C28560008C0CD00003F0F2212059214CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:08:23 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "krishtar" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.226.190.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: Re: Theos-World Big skeletons found in India!?sources X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=3jbYYCcoQrOh0AxyugIDeoDtUXXrbAikcuJNnZayaalYPGEBJg X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42476 Hello I=B4ve discovered that it was a computer graphics contest and the work is o= ne=20 good one. Take a look at the link below and see the original pics from which - and=20 over which- the computerized retouch was applied. One cannot see the deffects or faults in an internet retouched photo becaus= e=20 they=B4re all in low resolution. That=B4s why they=B4re so realistic.If one could have seen the original art= and=20 take a close up look in Photoshop or other program that can make big=20 zoomings, it=B4d be easier to notice the digital retouch and montage. Hope to get your feed. Krishtar Original pictures http://ueba.com.br/forum/index.php?showtopic=3D85737 The hoax http://kedarsoman.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/hoax-giant-skeleton-found-in-ind= ia/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Big skeletons found in India!? Frank, This is quite interesting perhaps Konstantine can tell us what the Russia= n=20 Text says. The Hindu part may be a biased reporter. Holy Cow! The skull=20 alone on one of the skeletons is 6 feet high! Looks real, I will try=20 Googling Nat. Geographic later. Thanks, John -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" What abaout this news: http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/aaa= a=20 12:09 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 05:54:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73642 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 13:54:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:54:17 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007501c84e12$1c568830$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Theos-World Big skeletons found in India!?sources X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=O8qjw_pVBEYCpqCQR2wPxdfgSkzwBVymqhf9gXJe6BE9ei0X5zPfybxA63g8QEg X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42477 It is quit easy to make photo's from things they put together. But let one take a real photo from a landed UFO on earth, that will=20 be of any interest.And if the captain(e) is a handsome,nice guy and=20 not one looking like ET, it would be nice to drink a glass of=20 Champagne with him or her=20 Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" wrote: > > Hello > I=B4ve discovered that it was a computer graphics contest and the=20 work is one=20 > good one. > Take a look at the link below and see the original pics from which=20 - and=20 > over which- the computerized retouch was applied. > One cannot see the deffects or faults in an internet retouched=20 photo because=20 > they=B4re all in low resolution. > That=B4s why they=B4re so realistic.If one could have seen the original=20 art and=20 > take a close up look in Photoshop or other program that can make=20 big=20 > zoomings, it=B4d be easier to notice the digital retouch and montage. > Hope to get your feed. > Krishtar >=20 > Original pictures >=20 > http://ueba.com.br/forum/index.php?showtopic=3D85737 >=20 > The hoax > http://kedarsoman.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/hoax-giant-skeleton- found-in-india/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Augoeides-222@... > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: Theos-World Big skeletons found in India!? >=20 >=20 > Frank, > This is quite interesting perhaps Konstantine can tell us what=20 the Russian=20 > Text says. The Hindu part may be a biased reporter. Holy Cow! The=20 skull=20 > alone on one of the skeletons is 6 feet high! Looks real, I will=20 try=20 > Googling Nat. Geographic later. >=20 > Thanks, > John >=20 > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > From: "Frank Reitemeyer" >=20 > What abaout this news: > http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/ 40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html >=20 > Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! >=20 > Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? >=20 > Frank >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- >=20 >=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date:=20 1/1/aaaa=20 > 12:09 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From semockr@hotmail.com Thu Jan 03 22:28:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63483 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 X-Sender: semockr@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29331 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 04:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 04:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 04:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:28:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:28:40 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01e401c84cfe$82fd9480$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.18.24 From: "Richard Semock" Subject: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68064314; y=a6xaiS2Q5nbqCSYCnaeelOT805T0VVH4IgzlFer6Ul6tyA X-Yahoo-Profile: semockr X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42478 I'm not referring to LIESL SCHILLINGER's book review in the NY Times.=20 She didn't say that HPB ate hash laced brownies but it sounds like she=20 made that association: 'The Prophet.' Over the years, Gibran's book has been ecstatically=20 embraced by scarf-swathed disciples of Isadora Duncan and Madame=20 Blavatsky, hash-brownie-munching beatniks.. http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/12/13/reviews/981213.13schillt.html --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > Its well known that HPB was a chain smoker and addicted to > > nicotine and possibly hash. >=20 > Richard, WHO says that she used hash? > As far as I know, this rumour comes only from a New York reporter and=20 HPB=20 > has contradicted. > Frank > From nenqueteba2000@yahoo.com.ar Thu Jan 03 22:28:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97822 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 X-Sender: nenqueteba2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83622 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 22:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 22:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.69.115) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 22:33:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9748 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2008 22:33:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2GrRaBcVM1kgZb3E0KhxkLqXfXe49rImUUTrAVivjdpcg1SgdDmehAk7LBP1DZYtlpXuNZP1a78t8v9IV6X.smujlnIY3Sw5IfcxD3subfqfP2ydMuo- X-Received: from [190.28.83.142] by web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:33:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:33:29 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <408751.9549.qm@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.69.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Noel vasco Subject: Re: Theos-World fake: Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=208108019; y=OW0w5wB_GhBELSLdEuiq1J_P-IOSIjSZNjuTsaLzrMfdMs6GfzIxKYk X-Yahoo-Profile: nenqueteba2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42479 Hi all I recieved those pictures like four months ago. And it is a fake.=20 !it would be interesting to prove the existence of giants in our remote pas= t.=C2=A1 A favor to german speakers: I want to get a biographical sketch of Sebastia= n Siebenfreund. Can somebody help me? Thanks ----- Mensaje original ---- De: Frank Reitemeyer Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Enviado: mi=C3=A9rcoles 2 de enero de 2008, 20:27:03 Asunto: Re: Theos-World fake: Big skeletons found in India!? I think you are right, nowadays there is more lie that truth on the way. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: krishtar To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Theos-World fake: Big skeletons found in India!? Hello As a graphic designer I can truly say that it is a nice photoshop montage. The original source is a true paleontological excavation and the original skeleton of some fossile was substituted by this human bones. Nice work of Photoshop! That=C2=B4s why photographs can hardly be used as proof in any court. Krishtar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marko Manninen To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: Big skeletons found in India!? --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > > What abaout this news: > http://ziza. ru/2007/12/ 25/40futovyjj_ skelet_cheloveka _5_foto__ tekst.= html > > Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! > > Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? > > Frank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > http://padmasriniva s.blogspot. com/2007/ 05/bhimas- son-gadotkach- like-sk= eleton. html ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1206 - Release Date: 1/1/aaaa 12:09 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Encuentros. 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Encuentros http://yahoo.cupidovirtual.com/servlet/NewRegistration [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From semockr@hotmail.com Thu Jan 03 22:28:43 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63490 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n47c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 X-Sender: semockr@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12743 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 05:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 05:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 05:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 05:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 05:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 05:17:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:17:43 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01e401c84cfe$82fd9480$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.18.24 From: "Richard Semock" Subject: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68064314; y=_vf-_MgzVseUachKRamEoIbvIPsHcGX1aRdrtiNNLelv9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: semockr X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42480 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > Its well known that HPB was a chain smoker and addicted to > > nicotine and possibly hash. >=20 > Richard, WHO says that she used hash? > As far as I know, this rumour comes only from a New York reporter and=20 HPB=20 > has contradicted. > Frank All we know about the personal lives of the founders is hearsay or=20 snatches in the letters they wrote to each other. I read somewhere that=20 HPB had to stop her carriage periodically on long trips to have a=20 cigarette and she rolled her own.=20 You have to wonder if these numerous smoke breaks were engendered from=20 a simple nicotine habit or if it wasnt a stronger addiction that drove=20 her to these constant interruptions.=20 Whatever it was, it was an addiction of some sort that was in control=20 of her when self control is the basic tenet of progress on the Path.=20 Now if the Masters were merely using her to convey their message than=20 that is a different matter and in that case HPB was only a messenger=20 and not a saint or even a chela.=20 I like the comment someone made about her dying in Italy at one point=20 whereupon a Master resusitated her and kept her going after that with=20 cigarettes. Never let it be said that Theosophists are not resourceful=20 in trying to protect their leader! The letters to Sinnett were also suspected in certain Theosophical=20 circles of being written by HPB posing as a Master.=20 I would be happy to research any of this if needed but its a known fact=20 that HPB was a heavy smoker with a dependence on tobacco and this was=20 probably the reason that schisms formed in the movement.=20 From semockr@ceZoUFInqu2a6Lf5d-xEp4EFNz_5lBdnfl5BTKNqx-4Q_fVsJJeOo0hT8jdNlO3Khoa0lP8L6Jtn.yahoo.invalid Thu Jan 03 22:28:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29455 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 X-Sender: semockr@ceZoUFInqu2a6Lf5d-xEp4EFNz_5lBdnfl5BTKNqx-4Q_fVsJJeOo0hT8jdNlO3Khoa0lP8L6Jtn.yahoo.invalid X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47356 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 04:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 04:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 04:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:08:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:08:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:08:33 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007401c84d58$009848a0$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.18.24 From: "Richard Semock" Subject: Re: Big skeletons found in India!? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68064314; y=7SZVWaOQUGof7h_6WmSaNpNLONlbptahQ42uUxkDFLh-fg X-Yahoo-Profile: semockr X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42481 Its obviously a fake when you compare the hue & font of the 'Hindu=20 Voice' overlay with the text of the article. - In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > What abaout this news: >=20 http://ziza.ru/2007/12/25/40futovyjj_skelet_cheloveka_5_foto__tekst.html >=20 > Compare the size of the skeleton with the size of the work men! >=20 > Is this a fake? Can someone confirm this news? >=20 > Frank >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From semockr@hotmail.com Thu Jan 03 22:28:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29462 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 X-Sender: semockr@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85200 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 04:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 04:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 04:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:14:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:14:06 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013301c84d73$4a746920$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.18.24 From: "Richard Semock" Subject: Re: Does theosophy impugn NASA's moon landing in 1969? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68064314; y=JMlpMjJFGVGc3MzGXq_a8KaQS9ifq1QgVnHVmERalYGZBw X-Yahoo-Profile: semockr X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42482 I almost believe that the moon is a kama-rupic phantom as Gottfried=20 says at least thats easier to swallow than green cheese. Also, G de=20 P's statement couched as it is in TS lore is easier to believe than=20 those dozen or so Apollo missions that landed on that phantom tide- producing body. --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" =20 wrote: > > 1. "Walking [on the moon] was quite easy!" > - Buzz Aldrin, interview by Aron Ranen: "Did We Go?" > http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR9pQ1gWzs40&feature=3Drelated >=20 >=20 > 2. "What we see when we look up into the starry spaces is the=20 astral body,=20 > the kama-rupa of the physical moon that was, aeons and aeons ago,=20 which=20 > physical body is now disintegrated into impalpable cosmic dust. We=20 perceive=20 > this kama-rupic phantom, because our physical earth is one subplane=20 higher=20 > than that on which the physical body of the moon was. Were our=20 scientists by=20 > some magic to be transported to the moon, even though they would be=20 able to=20 > see it almost as clearly as they see our earth, I do not believe=20 they would=20 > find it easy to walk about on its surface, for it is not quite hard=20 enough=20 > for easy walking." >=20 > - Gottfried de Purucker in an E.S. lecture in the Temple of Peace=20 at Point=20 > Loma around 1927. According to his chela W. Emmett Small printed=20 first after=20 > the stenographic report in question- and answer-form, then in July=20 1936 as=20 > 12-part "Esoteric Instructions", republished as 12-part "Esoteric=20 > Teachings", see: http://www.wisdomtraditions.com/esoterict.html and=20 again in=20 > 1976 new edited as "Fountain-Source of Occultism", see:=20 > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/fso/fso7b.htm#moon. >=20 > Compare also two diagrams of Helena Blavatsky in her "The Secret=20 Doctrine"=20 > about the "Planetary Division" and "The Earth Chain": >=20 > Diagram 1 in [[Vol. 1, Page]] 153: > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-1-08.htm >=20 > Diagram II in [[Vol. 1, Page]] 172: > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-1-09.htm >=20 > Frank > From semockr@hotmail.com Thu Jan 03 22:28:44 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52427 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.205) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 06:28:44 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:41 -0000 X-Sender: semockr@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43884 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 04:54:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 04:54:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 04:54:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:54:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 04:54:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:54:52 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01e401c84cfe$82fd9480$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.62.18.24 From: "Richard Semock" Subject: Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68064314; y=UrskkY58jOTEZc6kF0ua6La079GWlKEJWHoqlOAdsAV-Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: semockr X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 04 Jan 2008 06:28:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42483 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > Its well known that HPB was a chain smoker and addicted to > > nicotine and possibly hash. >=20 > Richard, WHO says that she used hash? > As far as I know, this rumour comes only from a New York reporter and=20 HPB=20 > has contradicted. > Frank Here is one somewhat unofficial source but I don't recommend that you=20 read it: http://www.friendsofcannabis.com/friends/madame_blavatsky.htm Biographers report that she swore fluently in at least three languages,=20 exhibited a violent temper, and was a hashish user.. From dzyan@online.de Thu Jan 03 23:12:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97485 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 07:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 07:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 07:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db95f0a.pool.einsundeins.de [77.185.95.10]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1JAgjd1r6S-0001os; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:12:53 +0100 Message-ID: <063b01c84ea1$9806c1e0$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:59:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19etTWa9dbWnXMUH8bkgtDdhZ16JTxOb1EN38O rOn23+N8PAIB+nf660sTv9gGSuUUlAGed3EOPQKwI9HEzZTrBD htjijWiZfPxP2w2uwEPozJ5rwahhP9L X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Does theosophy impugn NASA's moon landing in 1969? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=pF07jdG5dCuADU5aZ54MteMTQNMlaxkIPEUXkgF3cmYKpNZg7V-u5hlOUg X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42484 >I almost believe that the moon is a kama-rupic phantom as Gottfried says at least thats easier to swallow than green cheese. Also, G de P's statement couched as it is in TS lore is easier to believe than those dozen or so Apollo missions that landed on that phantom tide- producing body. ------ Well, Richard, Purucker says not, that it is impossible to walk on the moon, he only says, that is not quite easy. But on the footages we know of the moon landing it looks quite easy who the astronauts walk and jump. There even more food for thought, if you consider, what BdeZ has to say on the moon landing: http://www.teozofija.info/Theosophia/Theosophia_Vol25_No3.htm#WorldsTrade I wonder whether theosophy is able to give a serious answer to the ongoing quarrel about the reality of the Apollo mission? Frank From dzyan@online.de Thu Jan 03 23:12:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18341 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 07:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 07:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.179) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 07:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db95f0a.pool.einsundeins.de [77.185.95.10]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1JAgje21KM-0001os; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:12:54 +0100 Message-ID: <063c01c84ea1$98a1c960$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:04:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX180ixjA/KaRV311somnxtoT68M5FvTqgIrWgMe ddWbJwDw/7E7vw3XGSHR9AJ2Z7f1idREcMNLRkU4mc0uhRCTEx 6f8rJk/quw+01SBp0fCQ/J2qUERxGTV X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=pF07jdG5dCuADU5aZ54MteMTQNMlaxkIPEUXkgF3cmYKpNZg7V-u5hlOUg X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42485 Richard, that is but a collection of rumour, gossip and slander. Which biographers say what? If memory serves me right the source for the hash story was a Miss Wolff. But why is the statement of this woman more trustworthy than the words of HPB? Where are the facts? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Semock To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:54 AM Subject: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > Its well known that HPB was a chain smoker and addicted to > > nicotine and possibly hash. > > Richard, WHO says that she used hash? > As far as I know, this rumour comes only from a New York reporter and HPB > has contradicted. > Frank Here is one somewhat unofficial source but I don't recommend that you read it: http://www.friendsofcannabis.com/friends/madame_blavatsky.htm Biographers report that she swore fluently in at least three languages, exhibited a violent temper, and was a hashish user.. From dzyan@online.de Thu Jan 03 23:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62350 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 07:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 07:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.188) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 07:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db95f0a.pool.einsundeins.de [77.185.95.10]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1JAh9a0SqT-0007oq; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:39:42 +0100 Message-ID: <064601c84ea5$56e35ad0$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:17:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/WIWZ3j/Q2ziMAI8r5BlaCW45e/dfRyjXS9V +qf3AYQeAVZHHl2VE+wb/kw+tSke5ct7MRcGCp5FGHubsLom7k uE4zQKbeSRqi/WwymnnSMYmlVigWqCf X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=TLpCzVRO2oyUQg9E-f6XOros679JbCAakZ4yJhR02aX1n7IqR23hDZcbJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42486 To me it sounds not so. There is reference to disciples of HPB and it is not likely that they are beatniks, with or without hash... For usual theosophists need no hash to loose reality...:-)) Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Semock To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:28 AM Subject: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship I'm not referring to LIESL SCHILLINGER's book review in the NY Times. She didn't say that HPB ate hash laced brownies but it sounds like she made that association: 'The Prophet.' Over the years, Gibran's book has been ecstatically embraced by scarf-swathed disciples of Isadora Duncan and Madame Blavatsky, hash-brownie-munching beatniks.. http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/12/13/reviews/981213.13schillt.html --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > Its well known that HPB was a chain smoker and addicted to > > nicotine and possibly hash. > > Richard, WHO says that she used hash? > As far as I know, this rumour comes only from a New York reporter and HPB > has contradicted. > Frank > From dzyan@online.de Thu Jan 03 23:39:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24556 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 07:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 07:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.171) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 07:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from captainp6d3981 (brln-4db95f0a.pool.einsundeins.de [77.185.95.10]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1JAh9a2PVv-0007oq; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:39:42 +0100 Message-ID: <064701c84ea5$5723bf30$152ca8c0@captainp6d3981> To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:42:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19UHPeDGPqPZF02JtB/xa8K9rZbPKx8jgr29JJ Pc32xGqo4rKcyk7RPws+NIMekq5fghslPLC/N0xWYYkbvnSxyJ uXOdVtorPnok0ED4PiYWQ3IskCV6MCi X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=302625737; y=uaAvrHvi3F6zwkOPG-lt3En0riH6Quu31bdtv_a__AM-VLVAReq96ZW2Qg X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42487 Richard wrote: -------------------- All we know about the personal lives of the founders is hearsay or snatches in the letters they wrote to each other. I read somewhere that HPB had to stop her carriage periodically on long trips to have a cigarette and she rolled her own. You have to wonder if these numerous smoke breaks were engendered from a simple nicotine habit or if it wasnt a stronger addiction that drove her to these constant interruptions. -------------------- So, what? Why not stop for a cigarette? -------------------- Whatever it was, it was an addiction of some sort that was in control of her when self control is the basic tenet of progress on the Path. -------------------- Why do you know that? If smoking a cigarette is a sign for lost of self control and not being on the path, then Judge, Tingley, Purucker, Mahatma K.H., Mahatma M., the Maha Chohan and perhaps a lot of other people must also earn your compliments. Perhaps smoking was a sign of self control? -------------------- Now if the Masters were merely using her to convey their message than that is a different matter and in that case HPB was only a messenger and not a saint or even a chela. -------------------- She never claimed that HPB was a saint, but from the usual description she might have easily been one if you only think in comparison of the saints of the church, often only because they have performed once or more lower siddhis. To be a messenger of the Masters and not to be a chela seems contradictory. They have declared that she is a member of Their Brotherhood. Do you think they take everone? -------------------- I like the comment someone made about her dying in Italy at one point whereupon a Master resusitated her and kept her going after that with cigarettes. Never let it be said that Theosophists are not resourceful in trying to protect their leader! -------------------- It was in Elberfeld, Germany. Your point here is not clear to me. Why should she have not smoked? Because of the rescue of her life? -------------------- The letters to Sinnett were also suspected in certain Theosophical circles of being written by HPB posing as a Master. I would be happy to research any of this if needed but its a known fact that HPB was a heavy smoker with a dependence on tobacco and this was probably the reason that schisms formed in the movement. -------------------- If HPB wrote the Mahatma letters for herself, then ok, then she was very humble as the letters would make her 3 times bigger, she must have the consciousness of a Master to write such masterly letters. That makes theosophy even more mystical, don't? Smoking cigarettes as reason for splits in the movement? Smoker versus non-smokers? -- As HPB, Judge and Tingley were smokers, then Besant and Leadbeater, Johnson, Crosbie then were non-smokers? Who can confirm that? Why not the splits because she had blue eyes? Or because she liked patience? Frank From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Fri Jan 04 06:16:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94256 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 14:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 14:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.80) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 14:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YzkT1Y0050cQ2SL0A09300; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:16:31 +0000 X-Received: from amailcenter06.comcast.net ([204.127.225.106]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z2GH1Y0032JMgtY8W00000; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:16:17 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cjtlAJohb5EA:10 a=UDKMrEUKCQyG/55tQ5TiBA==:17 a=ASQ6tpZulHFpdd4DEjoA:9 a=FWA4nGOYfrLtIeYGo_QA:7 a=mlA6N6oubqB_3EwC9W8VUshRIToA:4 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=pnFDO5TSDZqqfCSyV1sA:9 a=x6Lmo-zbFah0OPsYeQMA:7 a=aE5Nm8XWiIrUOyC_P5YItE7pXoYA:4 a=jeN6Q-uZn2oA:10 a=syfC3iHSy1IA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Received: from [67.166.128.78] by amailcenter06.comcast.net; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:16:30 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:16:30 +0000 Message-Id: <010420081416.2833.477E3FBE000D50C400000B112216557996CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: 7-years test for discipleship X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=TFP43LiPHCeEyJuGLOogyAuwznMXhoeZTeZZeY3lZhteNy4gkYGkPv_EKp_SltiE X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42488 Richard, Hi, thanks for your comments. It seems to me that you might not have read "Tibet and Tulku" by Geoffrey A. Barborka, read page 143-144. The issue of her erratic personality, smoking, temperament and other characteristics are deeply intimate to her unique Initiations given her by the Brothers in Tibet. It is a real shame so many have not read and deeply studied the contents of Tibet and Tulku by her blood relative Barborka as this is the only solitary work that deals extensively with the matters that made Blavatsky so very unique. Understanding is found in those pages! Regards, John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Richard Semock" --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" wrote: > > > Its well known that HPB was a chain smoker and addicted to > > nicotine and possibly hash. > > Richard, WHO says that she used hash? > As far as I know, this rumour comes only from a New York reporter and HPB > has contradicted. > Frank All we know about the personal lives of the founders is hearsay or snatches in the letters they wrote to each other. I read somewhere that HPB had to stop her carriage periodically on long trips to have a cigarette and she rolled her own. You have to wonder if these numerous smoke breaks were engendered from a simple nicotine habit or if it wasnt a stronger addiction that drove her to these constant interruptions. Whatever it was, it was an addiction of some sort that was in control of her when self control is the basic tenet of progress on the Path. Now if the Masters were merely using her to convey their message than that is a different matter and in that case HPB was only a messenger and not a saint or even a chela. I like the comment someone made about her dying in Italy at one point whereupon a Master resusitated her and kept her going after that with cigarettes. Never let it be said that Theosophists are not resourceful in trying to protect their leader! The letters to Sinnett were also suspected in certain Theosophical circles of being written by HPB posing as a Master. I would be happy to research any of this if needed but its a known fact that HPB was a heavy smoker with a dependence on tobacco and this was probably the reason that schisms formed in the movement. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzyan@online.de Fri Jan 04 06:34:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dzyan@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail