From JohnDeSantis@care2.com Sun Dec 02 09:36:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8059 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 17:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 17:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 17:36:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 17:36:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 17:36:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 17:36:43 -0000 X-Sender: johndesantis@care2.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74410 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 09:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 09:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO c0mailgw05.prontomail.com) (207.183.238.114) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 09:01:33 -0000 X-Received: from c0web102 (c0mailgwalt4.prontomail.com [207.183.238.114]) by c0mailgw05.prontomail.com (8.13.8(MC-AXH/MJD-001)/8.13.3) with SMTP id lB290xVl025614; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 01:00:59 -0800 X-Version: caremail 7.5.3401.0 X-SenderIP: 69.140.245.117 X-SenderID: 27081734 X-MC-Editor: SimpleEditor X-MC-Debug: 0 : Message-Id: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 04:01:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.183.238.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John Desantis" Subject: "DEATH AND IMMORTALITY" (an article from THEOSOPHY magazine) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330175084; y=z_v7xAJ1WBF79TFLg5d9L9UyNwKqNGjS-dqfDnUWtx4P42DsCyLt X-Yahoo-Profile: hopefully_helpful_material X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 02 Dec 2007 17:36:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42348 Greetings, Before presenting the article that I'm pointing to, please know that this is my first posting here since Reed Carson, the owner of the bn-study forum, and the blavatsky.net web site, decided to take over my WisdomWorld.org web site (a few days ago). I am so grateful that he is doing it. Of course it will take him a while to do all of the technical stuff to make the changeover once the official transfer of the URL from me to him is completed. This is also why I am now using this new johndesantis@care2.com e-mail address, since my compiler@wisdomworld.org e-mail address will soon be done away with by me. I have wanted a very dedicated fellow theosophist to take over the site for a couple of years now. Why? Because I want to spend the remainder of my life trying to get my economic vision for humanity going. I haven't added a new article to it for over three years now. Hopefully Reed will find someone to continue the process. OK, now on to the"DEATH AND IMMORTALITY" article from! THEOSOPHY magazine: ========================= DEATH AND IMMORTALITY This article may prove to be very informative to both newcomers to Theosophy, as well as to long time students, and may help in some of the discussions. This is the link directly to it: http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting/deathimmortality.html ...which is the 60th article of the 166 that are in the free "Setting the Stage" introductory book in this link to its index page -- just scroll down the page to get to it: http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting.html =============================== These are the 3 Index pages on the WisdomWorld.org web site -- which at this point in time contains 1,488 articles from THEOSOPHY magazine: http://www.wisdomworld.org http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting.html http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/index.html And this is the link to what I very personally consider my "UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD" project for all of humanity -- one that I have envisioned myself for almost 28 years and am trying hard to get going: http://www.PublicAndPrivateEnterprise.org John DeSantis ------- Care2 make the world greener! http://toolbar.Care2.com Make your computer carbon-neutral (free). http://www.Care2.com Green Living, Human Rights and more - 7 million members! From mkr777@gmail.com Sun Dec 02 19:47:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17276 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 03:47:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 03:47:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 03:47:04 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id l24so5327994waf for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:47:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.95.1 with SMTP id x1mr3011700wal.1196653622775; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:47:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.90.7 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:47:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:47:02 -0600 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <97903.26478.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <97903.26478.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "M K Ramadoss" Subject: Re: Theos-World Races & subrace X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=0sijDDXzcjMQNp5Uj3uSYPCTfiq7cAlRFecGg6vk2lvNKmu5GtU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42349 If one looks at evolution as a continuum over very very long periods of time, the view how ones physical body looks should not be much concern at all. Also since the past cannot be changed, we need to look to the future. Who knows, with the modern travel, how people move and relocate and thus cause social changes cannot be predicted. mkr On 11/27/07, Cass Silva wrote: > > Me either, I think it has something to do with pole or starting > position! Sometimes the outsider wins as was the case in our last Melbourne > Cup. It paid 26 for 1! > > Cass > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Drpsionic@aol.com " > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:40:13 PM > Subject: Re: Theos-World Races & subraces > > All kidding aside, I 've never been able to understand why any of that > would actually matter to anyone. > > Chuck the Heretic > > http://www.geocitie s.com/c_cosimano > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cass Silva > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 9:18 pm > Subject: Re: Theos-World Races & subraces > > Me too. I'm not really bothered about what subrace I'm from. > Cass > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Konstantin Zaitzev > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:41:52 AM > Subject: Theos-World Races & subraces > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > from Purucker > >> From the fourth subrace of any root-race the next root-race begins > >> as seeds, then the two races begin to overlap... > > The other theory which seems me more logical says that from 4th > subrace of 3rd race comes 4th race, from 5th subrace of 4th race comes > 5th race, etc. > But his views about negroes make sense, as it seems to me. > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt= > At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G 1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail. aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stillpointed@yahoo.com Sun Dec 02 21:52:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69517 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 05:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 05:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 05:52:30 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 05:52:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 05:52:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 05:52:30 -0000 X-Sender: stillpointed@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74330 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 02:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 02:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 02:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 02:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 02:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 02:25:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:25:21 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.214.142.196 From: "stillpointed" Subject: FWD: NVC BE STILL and KNOW PEACE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92075909; y=EWRMPySWNKYlE4pyX-8bAU3s5NPEOb5t3Ms-ndTJxSba2VRIULbn X-Yahoo-Profile: stillpointed X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 03 Dec 2007 05:52:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42350 Paul,=20=20 I also wonder if Gandhi would have been better off being still and=20 knowing peace. By himself I doubt whether it would have made much=20 difference. In any case, India today is not an example of a healthy=20 nation, what with its nuclear weapons, ethnic strife, and massive=20 poverty. But if all his followers and admirers around the world had=20 joined together in a massive and simultaneous consciousness of=20 knowing peace, who knows what the outcome would have been. One could=20 hardly call this inaction. The stress reduction for personal health=20 alone might have been worth it.=20=20 Ed From stillpointed@yahoo.com Mon Dec 03 09:21:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36646 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 17:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 17:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 17:21:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 17:21:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 17:21:45 -0000 X-Sender: stillpointed@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33498 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 11:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 11:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 11:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 11:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 11:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 11:59:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:59:11 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.78.92.109 From: "stillpointed" Subject: Re: BE STILL and KNOW PEACE corrections X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92075909; y=3Q6pOqO7fv_raIBGHMGRBmPOS1668uGUCn49qBjfSpQRBgTneZdj X-Yahoo-Profile: stillpointed X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 03 Dec 2007 17:21:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42351 Corrections. Also, I forgot to include Paul's message.=20 I wonder how Gandhi's legacy would have been different emphasizing=20 being still and knowing peace. By himself I doubt whether it would=20 have made much difference. In any case, India today is not an=20 example of a healthy nation, what with its nuclear weapons, ethnic=20 strife, and massive poverty. But if all his followers and=20 admirers around the world had joined in a massive and simultaneous=20 consciousness of knowing peace, who knows what the outcome would=20 have been. One could hardly call this inaction. The stress=20 reduction for personal health alone might have been worth it.=20=20 Ed Paul wrote: Interesting Ed, I think I understand what you are saying, though the=20 question that comes to the forefront of my mind is this~ with your=20 thinking about the balance in mind, would you then say that Ghandi=20 would have been better off being still and knowing? I guess I am=20 asking where is that line? when is the moment when non action=20 becomes action? or are you saying that all action is a futile effort=20 and that through out all time to align the world our time is better=20 served in meditation than in action? Just not sure what you are=20 meaning, thanks for the thread...and the clarity.=20 From silva_cass@yahoo.com Mon Dec 03 15:34:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49205 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 23:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 23:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.108) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 23:34:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26301 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2007 23:34:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Uw6PYE0VM1n2Sgj5M7i4FZCY5j0HIDu2jQS3lczDPe2nxWcZBI_65NGm.GoxgLUuxNN6291v7hwklqPGvTwHaFyYmnXccTPi2IYBlJ1aM.qyyA2SlgVb6wp3GOd3wnDTLh4.MS2ttfG5NzKYi7JamFRatA-- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:34:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.157 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:34:38 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <480978.24752.qm@web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: BE STILL and KNOW PEACE corrections X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=3XVgEVfKUuylI_0S-yI0uTbKUgXO1ksfDXNXgSdtmxRFSFW8hg X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42352 My thinking is that Ghandi was the way of the advanced soul. His mission therefore served as an example of what is possible through non-violence. Once Ghandi passed the violence between India and Pakistan continued, suggesting that those souls were not at the level required to reach a compassionate understanding for each other. Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: stillpointed To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 10:59:11 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: BE STILL and KNOW PEACE corrections Corrections. Also, I forgot to include Paul's message. I wonder how Gandhi's legacy would have been different emphasizing being still and knowing peace. By himself I doubt whether it would have made much difference. In any case, India today is not an example of a healthy nation, what with its nuclear weapons, ethnic strife, and massive poverty. But if all his followers and admirers around the world had joined in a massive and simultaneous consciousness of knowing peace, who knows what the outcome would have been. One could hardly call this inaction. The stress reduction for personal health alone might have been worth it. Ed Paul wrote: Interesting Ed, I think I understand what you are saying, though the question that comes to the forefront of my mind is this~ with your thinking about the balance in mind, would you then say that Ghandi would have been better off being still and knowing? I guess I am asking where is that line? when is the moment when non action becomes action? or are you saying that all action is a futile effort and that through out all time to align the world our time is better served in meditation than in action? Just not sure what you are meaning, thanks for the thread...and the clarity. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Tue Dec 04 04:29:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9974 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 12:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2007 12:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 12:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 12:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 12:29:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 12:29:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:29:54 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: What are the four noble truths and the 12 nidana's ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=gYvdToUPT-51_0msckdDICAZZ4Mtl2lxOpPGjtp9gAin4BZqj4JFSoJFQJDjlWE X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42353 If it is objected that we too have temples, we too have priests and=20 that our lamas also live on charity . . . let them know that the=20 objects above named have in common with their Western equivalents,=20 but the name. Thus in our temples there is neither a god nor gods=20 worshipped, only the thrice sacred memory of the greatest as the=20 holiest man that ever lived. If our lamas to honour the fraternity of=20 the Bhikkhus established by our blessed master himself, go out to be=20 fed by the laity, the latter often to the number of 5 to 25,000 is=20 fed and taken care of by the Samgha (the fraternity of lamaic monks)=20 the lamassery providing for the wants of the poor, the sick, the=20 afflicted. Our lamas accept food, never money, and it is in those=20 temples that the origin of evil is preached and impressed upon the=20 people. There they are taught the four noble truths - ariya sakka,=20 and the chain of causation, (the 12 nid[ci]anas) gives them a=20 solution of the problem of the origin and destruction of suffering. >From Mahatma letters, letter nr 10. FrGrChristina From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Tue Dec 04 05:31:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1190 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 13:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2007 13:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 13:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 13:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 13:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 13:31:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:31:45 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Meaning of Ariya sacca and 12 nidana's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=ALjquaISZPJP7VFy8tbcHpMzdOU2MsIaM1u5Zhl51eh8RgYSgf6OVkVzgTOSHCI X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42354 I have found a German site on which they give as well english=20 translation and Dutch, so perfect.Only I need to look for the 12=20 nidanan's.HPB did not wrote much about it.Only SDI page 38,39,40=20 44,45 and 93 StanzaIV nr 4, she give an idea. FrGr Christina From mkr777@gmail.com Sat Dec 08 14:37:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85116 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2007 22:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2007 22:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.181) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2007 22:37:30 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m38so2494313waf for ; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:37:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.59.4 with SMTP id m4mr2927678wak.1197153449565; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:37:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.47.13 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:37:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:37:29 -0600 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, theos-L@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "M K Ramadoss" Subject: Historians X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=W4Uhry3yo2YOylMACIWN2ZNJZH955-Bc9okFkMorfcE6GmWQ_3Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42355 There is a nice article about the issues surrounding historians who have tried to research Mormons. Membership in CLDS is growing rapidly and many are very successful in the business world. The article makes interesting reading. This is typically a case where historians are really challenged. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2007/12/09/making_mormon_history/ mkr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Sat Dec 08 20:44:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96947 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 04:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2007 04:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2007 04:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 1.cec.22cc44ea (52434); Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:43:51 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [66.229.65.102] (c-66-229-65-102.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [66.229.65.102]) by ciaaol-m07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM078-ccd2475b728620c; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:43:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <89AEFA96-FEC9-47FE-BFCB-BD4309B4F3CD@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:43:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 66.229.65.102 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Leon Maurer Subject: Re: [esotericcosmology] Re: the true Alpha Chord -- Divine Electromagnetic Aether Harmony! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=D709wI1lr30FFtUAZnnOm2eDZbAqcQseqMj6Bwiil3B0E06n0Xs X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42356 Since all of music is based on the fundamental cycles of the original SPIN momentum or "abstract motion" of absolute SPACE, the primal or TRUE Alpha Chord (the first triad) is the combination of the vibrations of the initial fractally involved triune fields of the first Logos (the primal Monad) of cosmogenesis... That ultimately resolves, holographically, on the lowest order (fourth world) physical plane, into the seven fold (octaval) fields of consciousness -- whose frequencies are analogous to the sounds of the diatonic (seven note) musical scale. Pythagorus called the *sound* of this (*bubbles within bubbles* or "wheels within wheels") structure of fundamental space that produced the first Chords, "The music of the spheres". By combining different groups of analogous primal field frequencies, their harmonics, and their ratios, we can see many other musical scales developing in different cultures throughout history. http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_scale The basis of all this can be easily confirmed by studying the following diagrams... Keeping in mind the three fundamental principles and the analogy and correspondence between all coadunate but not consubstantial fields of consciousness -- due to the fundamental holographic nature of the primal Cosmos whose "center is everywhere and its circumference nowhere." http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html http://members.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafield-spherical-col_3.jpg http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Fract-Exp-Lt-Dk-matter-text.png http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg Leon Maurer http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/ On Dec 6, 2007, at 12/6/078:09 PM, Millennium Twain wrote: > apparently I have discovered the TRUE Alpha Chord, > the triad of song, celebration of creation, which > is first and fundamental, universal and unifying. > > of the two forms of matter, the proton, Mother > Proton, is the stable, long-lived, one. and She > is a living topology of THREE wavelengths, THREE > frequencies -- for which one can see the numbers > in my proton publication from 1994. > > what are the NOTES of the Alpha Chord? do they > correspond to the C-Major scale of modern western > music? are do they resonate with a five or six > note octave system? pentatonic or hexatonic? > > note that, unlike the String Instrument harmonics > described below, from the website Carlos sent us, > the Frequency and Wavelength and Wave Velocity > relationships -- and radius, circumference and > period -- are different. that is because the > velocity of a lightwave, electromagnetic wave, > is not constant -- yet changes with frequency. > > in the case of the proton, you will observe the > standing lightwave velocities are approximately > 2.5 Vc, and 13 Vc -- 2 1/2 and 13 times the average > lightwave velocity. > > what are the notes of this Chord? how might it > sound, transcribed into our audio range -- how > would it be felt, transcribed into our orbital > range -- and how does it transcribe into the > BlueStar Chord, sounded by the Toroidal Superstar > Sagittarius A* -- the Central Sun of the Milky > Way Galaxy? ?? ??? > > anyone care to calculate the numbers, the notes, > the pitches and their harmonics -- ahead of me? > > I have waited a decade for this dialog ... and it > seems that 2008 -- harmonizing with 2011/2012 -- > has brought forth our collective mindedness, the > mind-FULL-ness, to recognize and paint, then > sing and dance, these true harmonies of Mother > Proton, Mother BlueStar ... > > Mothers Earth, Sun and all our sacred relations, > > > Millennium Twain > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Re:Re: [antigrav] Electromagnetic Aether, Electrodynamic Plasma > > adapted from the Strings Instruments webpage: > > Let's work out the harmonics among these frequencies .... For a > wave, the frequency is the ratio of the speed of the wave to the > length of the wavet: f = v/wavelength. Compared to the wavelength L, > you can see that these waves have lengths L, L/2, L/3, L/4. We could > write this as L/n, where n is the number of the harmonic. > > The fundamental/first mode has frequency f1 = v/wavelength = v/L, > The second harmonic has frequency f2 = v/2L = 2f1 > The third harmonic has frequency f3 = v/3L = 3f1, > The fourth harmonic has frequency f4 = v/4L = 4f1, and, > generally, the nth harmonic frequency is fn = v/nL = nf1. > > http://thelemicmusick.net/davidcherubim/scale.htm > > "the word scale comes to us from the Latin word scala, which > means "ladder". A scale is a ladder or succession of tones (or > notes), starting from the keynote or tonic (the first tone on which > it starts), and ending with the octave (the last tone, or tone on > which it ends)." > > http://www.geocities.com/kozulich/theory.html > > "The most common chords are made up of three notes and are called > triads. Every triad consists of a root, third, and fifth. The root > is the fundamental note of the chord. It is the note which the chord > is named after. So, for example, in a C chord, the root note is C. > From our work in the last section, you can now figure out what the > 3rd and 5th notes of the C Major scale are. E is the 3rd and G is > the 5th. Therefore a C Major chord consists of C,E,G." > > http://www.principlesofnature.net/musical_scale_structures/triads_in_ > music_and_math.htm > > "Triads in music simply consist of three notes sounding together at > the same time. Some may better know these as 'chords' (of which they > are really a subset)." > > http://stmarksdurango.com/MusicHeals.html > > "According to Len Horowitz's book Healing Codes, the Bible gives us > the optimum frequencies for Healing in Music. They are the original > hexatonic tones, or six-tone scale, used in the late middle ages, as > in the Hymn to St. John the Baptist,and later used by Haydn in his > 96th Symphony called the Miracle. It is alleged that they are the > original (lost) tones used in early biblical times. The frequencies > are derived from calculations of verse placement and repetitions in > Numbers 7:12-83. The frequencies are: 396,417,528,639,741,852 > (G3,G#3,C4,E4,F#4, and Ab4 ???) The optimum scale is hexatonic, not > the 5-not pentatonic scale or our current 7-tone scale and that is > why late-middle-age musical instruments were hexachords. According > to this, the 5-scale and 7-scale octaves resonate disharmonically to > our organisms." > > "Other researchers have created music around "The Lost Chord," which > they've apparently re-discovered. Professor Arnold Keyserling, > Academy of Art, University of Vienna, Austria, discovered a new > scale in 1971. Over the next 25 years his American student, Ralph > Losey, J.D. perfected the use of these chakra resonating tones to > create PrimaSounds music." > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22three+notes% > 22+triad+major+chord+nature+fundamental > > > Millennium Twain > 6 December 2007 > > --- Messiah Twain wrote: > > kia ora, Carlos, > > was just about to do a web search re: musical > harmonic analysis ... > > the book I am working on now, following Nuclear > Structure (Nucleon Song) and Undiscovered Physics, > is "Mother Mind, Mother Song" -- a portrait of > the detail and totality of our divine wilderness > of creation from the fundamental experience of > musical harmonies and electric circuit analysis. > > the chorus of the dreaming, the songline. > > in the earlier works I did not focus on the > harmonic analysis -- either from electrodynamic > or musical perspective. > > as you will note, the Proton is a coil of 137- > plus a fractional loops, connected in a donut > or torus -- whose harmonic analysis will be > trivial to any student of music or electromagnetism. > > ditto, the single-coil, one or more undulations, > electron, one picture here: > > http://www.groupkos.com/mtwain/BipolarElectron144.jpg > > all our sacred relations, > > > Millennium > > --- Carlos Bautista wrote: > > In music the transverse wave first harmonic (standing > wave mode) is ONE-HALF wavelength, the second > harmonic is ONE wavelength and so on... > > String Instrument Standing Waves & Harmonics: > > http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/strings.html > > --- Messiah Twain wrote: > > that sounds right, Warm, > > in the two-transverse- wave Electron, > when it expands, one or both of the > frequencies are cut in half, the wave- > length(es) double. [or triple or > quadruple, etc, for frequencies cut > in a third, 4th, etc.] > > when the Electron shrinks, the wave- > lengths are reduced by integer multiples, > aka the frequencies go up by integer > multiples. > > you can see the integer relationships > in the electron and proton standing waves: > > http://groupkos.com/mtwain/TheElectron.pdf > http://groupkos.com/mtwain/TheProton.pdf > > for all our sacred relations, > > Millennium Twain > > --- 'Warm' wrote: > > There is no way to get a standing wave of > less than one wavelength. > > -- Millennium Twain wrote: > > here is the graphic, depicting the range of > states of the neutron = hydrogen atom, from > A New Study In Scarlet, showing the relative > size change of the electron lissajoid EM wave > as it (she!) shrinks down around the proton. > (Mother Proton!) > > from Page 37 of New Study In Scarlet. > > Millennium Twain > > http://groupkos.com/mtwain/NuScarlet-pt1.pdf > http://groupkos.com/mtwain/NuScarlet-pt2.pdf > > ~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~ > > re: neutron is hydrogen in sub-ground state: > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/NuclearStructure/message/292 > > in GreenGlow, 'Warm' wrote: > > Conventionally, chemical reactions involve just > the electrons and generally just the valence electrons > of an atom. Of coarse in the case of hydrogen there > is only one. > > The states of an excitory states of an electron > are not nuclear in nature, however, a neutron, when > it decays into a proton and electron also gives off > an electron-antineutrino, because that decay involves > the weak nuclear force, and thus is quite different > than a change in an electrons orbital energy. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From AnandGholap@gmail.com Sun Dec 09 02:37:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: anandgholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80356 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 10:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2007 10:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2007 10:37:29 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1154867rvf for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:37:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.179.18 with SMTP id b18mr3589495rvf.1197196646281; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:37:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from 13c18q9decf9 ( [59.162.216.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g21sm3323106rvb.2007.12.09.02.37.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:37:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002d01c83a4f$7dc159f0$7301a8c0@13c18q9decf9> To: "Anand Gholap" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:07:03 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ANAND GHOLAP" Subject: The Masters (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=rvgYee0ekQw_StCBBwfiujCy8ZCRtkeldtuugMzdVAMK_suSpR162II X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42357 http://www.AnandGholap.net/Theosophy_Pamphlet-Anand_Gholap.pdf - Important pamphlet for studying and spreading Theosophy] "The Mahachohan is the type of the Statesman, the great Organizer, though He too has many military qualities. He wears an Indian body, and is tall and thin, with a sharp profile, very fine and clear-cut, and no hair on the face. His face is rather stern, with a strong, square chin; His eyes are deep and penetrating, and He speaks somewhat abruptly, as a soldier speaks. He generally wears Indian robes and a white turban. The Master the Comte de St. Germain resembles Him in many ways. Though He is not especially tall, He is very upright and military in His bearing, and He has the exquisite courtesy and dignity of a grand seigneur of the eighteenth century; we feel at once that He belongs to a very old and noble family. His eyes are large and brown, and are filled with tenderness and humour, though there is in them a glint of power; and the splendour of His Presence impels men to make obeisance. His face is olive-tanned; His close-cut brown hair is parted in the centre and brushed back from the forehead, and He has a short and pointed beard. Often He wears a dark uniform with facings of gold lace-- often also a magnificent red military cloak-- and these accentuate His soldier-like appearance. He usually resides in an ancient castle in Eastern Europe that has belonged to his family for many centuries. The Master Serapis is tall, and fair in complexion. He is a Greek by birth, though all His work has been done in Egypt and in connection with the Egyptian Lodge. He is very distinguished and ascetic in face, somewhat resembling the late Cardinal Newman. Perhaps the Venetian Chohan is the handsomest of all the Members of the Brotherhood. He is very tall-- about six feet five inches, and has a flowing beard and golden hair somewhat like those of the Manu; and His eyes are blue. Although He was born in Venice, His family undoubtedly has Gothic blood in its veins, for He is a man distinctly of that type. The Master Hilarion is a Greek and, except that He has a slightly aquiline nose, is of the ancient Greek type. His forehead is low and broad, and resembles that of the Hermes of Praxiteles. He too is wonderfully handsome, and looks rather younger than most of' the Adepts. " Complete book can be read at http://AnandGholap.net/Masters_And_Path-CWL.htm In Christ. Anand Gholap [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From AnandGholap@gmail.com Sun Dec 09 02:46:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: anandgholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50163 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 10:46:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2007 10:46:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.185) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2007 10:46:18 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so1299782rvf for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:46:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.113.6 with SMTP id q6mr3574788rvm.1197197175139; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:46:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from 13c18q9decf9 ( [59.162.216.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g6sm3361592rvb.2007.12.09.02.45.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:46:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003c01c83a50$b8e0bcf0$7301a8c0@13c18q9decf9> To: "Anand Gholap" Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:15:57 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ANAND GHOLAP" Subject: Nature of Adepts (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=7B-hINdyxIz6dY2aESd1kLtmbhCR2NlL1FhUYs9CVQONI3RlhPjbfbo X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42358 http://www.AnandGholap.net/Theosophy_Pamphlet-Anand_Gholap.pdf - Important pamphlet for studying and spreading Theosophy] "It is indeed well that we should try to understand these Great Ones, not as a mere matter of curiosity and interest, but in order that we may realise Them as They are, and comprehend that They are men just as we are, varying among Themselves just as we vary, although at so much higher a level. Wisdom, power and love are present in all of Them equally, yet They are by no means all alike. They are individuals just as we are. They are at the top of the ladder of humanity, but let us not forget that we are somewhere on its lower rungs, and that one day we also shall reach Their level and stand where They stand. One important fact about Them is Their all-round development. If we examine ourselves we shall be sure to find that we are to some extent disproportionate in our development-- one-sided in certain respects. Some of us are full of scientific faculty and intellectual development, but sadly lacking in devotion and compassion; others are full of whole-souled devotion, but defective on the intellectual side. A Master is perfect along both these lines, as may easily be seen when we think of the splendid intellect of Pythagoras along with the love and compassion of the Master K. H. We must not misunderstand Their wonderful knowledge. In order to attain the level of adeptship They must have cast off among others the fetter of avidya or ignorance, and it is often said that to cast off ignorance one must attain all-knowledge. Yet we know from personal acquaintance with Them that this is not so in the mere literal sense; for example, there are Masters who do not know all languages, others who are not artists and musicians, and so on. I think that what is really meant by casting off the fetter of ignorance is the acquisition of a power by which They can at any moment command any knowledge upon any subject which They happen to require. They certainly have not all facts stored within Their physical brains but equally certainly They can very quickly obtain any knowledge of which They have need. As to the question of languages, for example, if a Master wishes to write a letter in a language which He does not know, He very frequently employs the brain of a pupil who is acquainted with that language, throwing the ideas into that pupil' s brain, and then employing the words in which He sees them clothe themselves. If a man speaks to Them in a language which They do not understand, They can instantly grasp on the mental plane the thought that lies behind the incomprehensible words. " Complete book can be read at http://AnandGholap.net/Inner_Life_Vol_I-CWL.htm In Christ. Anand Gholap [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 14:47:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41741 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 22:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 22:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.110) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 22:47:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56544 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2007 22:47:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w.Sl2FsVM1leCFWm6WTLyp13.RoghXVPsEL0zuJlepTIc36bYB324Xnq9GFtVTj0EDURKo1krBDL3c_jLNHbgIo6M0NUZtVXddbWkGYlVL_oE9lASgO_t9maTHVdDlFkOwRVFZSZeH3Zxxs- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:47:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:47:44 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <801506.55319.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=o2K9vK6S7qjgpEfNEabSZo68-TelXV2nn-32MJD6_7qYTEnlVw X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42359 I wanted to share with you my speech from the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony in= Oslo. Check AlGore.com for video of the event later today. Thank you, Al Gore SPEECH BY AL GORE ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE DECEMBER 10, 2007 OSLO, NORWAY Your Majesties, Your Royal Highnesses, Honorable members of the Norwegian N= obel Committee, Excellencies, Ladies and gentlemen. I have a purpose here today. It is a purpose I have tried to serve for many= years. I have prayed that God would show me a way to accomplish it.=20 Sometimes, without warning, the future knocks on our door with a precious a= nd painful vision of what might be. One hundred and nineteen years ago, a w= ealthy inventor read his own obituary, mistakenly published years before hi= s death. Wrongly believing the inventor had just died, a newspaper printed = a harsh judgment of his life=92s work, unfairly labeling him =93The Merchan= t of Death=94 because of his invention =96 dynamite. Shaken by this condemn= ation, the inventor made a fateful choice to serve the cause of peace.=20 Seven years later, Alfred Nobel created this prize and the others that bear= his name. Seven years ago tomorrow, I read my own political obituary in a judgment th= at seemed to me harsh and mistaken =96 if not premature. But that unwelcome= verdict also brought a precious if painful gift: an opportunity to search = for fresh new ways to serve my purpose.=20 Unexpectedly, that quest has brought me here. Even though I fear my words c= annot match this moment, I pray what I am feeling in my heart will be commu= nicated clearly enough that those who hear me will say, =93We must act.=94= =20 The distinguished scientists with whom it is the greatest honor of my life = to share this award have laid before us a choice between two different futu= res =96 a choice that to my ears echoes the words of an ancient prophet: = =93Life or death, blessings or curses. Therefore, choose life, that both th= ou and thy seed may live.=94 We, the human species, are confronting a planetary emergency =96 a threat t= o the survival of our civilization that is gathering ominous and destructiv= e potential even as we gather here. But there is hopeful news as well: we h= ave the ability to solve this crisis and avoid the worst =96 though not all= =96 of its consequences, if we act boldly, decisively and quickly. However, despite a growing number of honorable exceptions, too many of the = world=92s leaders are still best described in the words Winston Churchill a= pplied to those who ignored Adolf Hitler=92s threat: =93They go on in stran= ge paradox, decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adaman= t for drift, solid for fluidity, all powerful to be impotent.=94 So today, we dumped another 70 million tons of global-warming pollution int= o the thin shell of atmosphere surrounding our planet, as if it were an ope= n sewer. And tomorrow, we will dump a slightly larger amount, with the cumu= lative concentrations now trapping more and more heat from the sun. As a result, the earth has a fever. And the fever is rising. The experts ha= ve told us it is not a passing affliction that will heal by itself. We aske= d for a second opinion. And a third. And a fourth. And the consistent concl= usion, restated with increasing alarm, is that something basic is wrong.=20 We are what is wrong, and we must make it right. Last September 21, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, sci= entists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap i= s =93falling off a cliff.=94 One study estimated that it could be completel= y gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presen= ted by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as l= ittle as 7 years. Seven years from now. In the last few months, it has been harder and harder to misinterpret the s= igns that our world is spinning out of kilter. Major cities in North and So= uth America, Asia and Australia are nearly out of water due to massive drou= ghts and melting glaciers. Desperate farmers are losing their livelihoods. = Peoples in the frozen Arctic and on low-lying Pacific islands are planning = evacuations of places they have long called home. Unprecedented wildfires h= ave forced a half million people from their homes in one country and caused= a national emergency that almost brought down the government in another. C= limate refugees have migrated into areas already inhabited by people with d= ifferent cultures, religions, and traditions, increasing the potential for = conflict. Stronger storms in the Pacific and Atlantic have threatened whole= cities. Millions have been displaced by massive flooding in South Asia, Me= xico, and 18 countries in Africa. As temperature extremes have increased, tens of thousands have lost their lives. We are recklessly burn= ing and clearing our forests and driving more and more species into extinct= ion. The very web of life on which we depend is being ripped and frayed. We never intended to cause all this destruction, just as Alfred Nobel never= intended that dynamite be used for waging war. He had hoped his invention = would promote human progress. We shared that same worthy goal when we began= burning massive quantities of coal, then oil and methane.=20 Even in Nobel=92s time, there were a few warnings of the likely consequence= s. One of the very first winners of the Prize in chemistry worried that, = =93We are evaporating our coal mines into the air.=94 After performing 10,0= 00 equations by hand, Svante Arrhenius calculated that the earth=92s averag= e temperature would increase by many degrees if we doubled the amount of CO= 2 in the atmosphere.=20 Seventy years later, my teacher, Roger Revelle, and his colleague, Dave Kee= ling, began to precisely document the increasing CO2 levels day by day. But unlike most other forms of pollution, CO2 is invisible, tasteless, and = odorless -- which has helped keep the truth about what it is doing to our c= limate out of sight and out of mind. Moreover, the catastrophe now threaten= ing us is unprecedented =96 and we often confuse the unprecedented with the= improbable. We also find it hard to imagine making the massive changes that are now nec= essary to solve the crisis. And when large truths are genuinely inconvenien= t, whole societies can, at least for a time, ignore them. Yet as George Orw= ell reminds us: =93Sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid re= ality, usually on a battlefield.=94=20 In the years since this prize was first awarded, the entire relationship be= tween humankind and the earth has been radically transformed. And still, we= have remained largely oblivious to the impact of our cumulative actions.=20 Indeed, without realizing it, we have begun to wage war on the earth itself= . Now, we and the earth's climate are locked in a relationship familiar to = war planners: "Mutually assured destruction."=20 More than two decades ago, scientists calculated that nuclear war could thr= ow so much debris and smoke into the air that it would block life-giving su= nlight from our atmosphere, causing a "nuclear winter." Their eloquent warn= ings here in Oslo helped galvanize the world=92s resolve to halt the nuclea= r arms race.=20 Now science is warning us that if we do not quickly reduce the global warmi= ng pollution that is trapping so much of the heat our planet normally radia= tes back out of the atmosphere, we are in danger of creating a permanent = =93carbon summer.=94=20 As the American poet Robert Frost wrote, =93Some say the world will end in = fire; some say in ice.=94 Either, he notes, =93would suffice.=94 But neither need be our fate. It is time to make peace with the planet.=20 We must quickly mobilize our civilization with the urgency and resolve that= has previously been seen only when nations mobilized for war. These prior = struggles for survival were won when leaders found words at the 11th hour t= hat released a mighty surge of courage, hope and readiness to sacrifice for= a protracted and mortal challenge.=20 These were not comforting and misleading assurances that the threat was not= real or imminent; that it would affect others but not ourselves; that ordi= nary life might be lived even in the presence of extraordinary threat; that= Providence could be trusted to do for us what we would not do for ourselve= s. No, these were calls to come to the defense of the common future. They were= calls upon the courage, generosity and strength of entire peoples, citizen= s of every class and condition who were ready to stand against the threat o= nce asked to do so. Our enemies in those times calculated that free people = would not rise to the challenge; they were, of course, catastrophically wro= ng.=20 Now comes the threat of climate crisis =96 a threat that is real, rising, i= mminent, and universal. Once again, it is the 11th hour. The penalties for = ignoring this challenge are immense and growing, and at some near point wou= ld be unsustainable and unrecoverable. For now we still have the power to c= hoose our fate, and the remaining question is only this: Have we the will t= o act vigorously and in time, or will we remain imprisoned by a dangerous i= llusion? Mahatma Gandhi awakened the largest democracy on earth and forged a shared = resolve with what he called =93Satyagraha=94 =96 or =93truth force.=94=20 In every land, the truth =96 once known =96 has the power to set us free.=20 Truth also has the power to unite us and bridge the distance between =93me= =94 and =93we,=94 creating the basis for common effort and shared responsib= ility. There is an African proverb that says, =93If you want to go quickly, go alo= ne. If you want to go far, go together.=94 We need to go far, quickly. We must abandon the conceit that individual, isolated, private actions are = the answer. They can and do help. But they will not take us far enough with= out collective action. At the same time, we must ensure that in mobilizing = globally, we do not invite the establishment of ideological conformity and = a new lock-step =93ism.=94 That means adopting principles, values, laws, and treaties that release cre= ativity and initiative at every level of society in multifold responses ori= ginating concurrently and spontaneously.=20 This new consciousness requires expanding the possibilities inherent in all= humanity. The innovators who will devise a new way to harness the sun=92s = energy for pennies or invent an engine that=92s carbon negative may live in= Lagos or Mumbai or Montevideo. We must ensure that entrepreneurs and inven= tors everywhere on the globe have the chance to change the world.=20 When we unite for a moral purpose that is manifestly good and true, the spi= ritual energy unleashed can transform us. The generation that defeated fasc= ism throughout the world in the 1940s found, in rising to meet their awesom= e challenge, that they had gained the moral authority and long-term vision = to launch the Marshall Plan, the United Nations, and a new level of global = cooperation and foresight that unified Europe and facilitated the emergence= of democracy and prosperity in Germany, Japan, Italy and much of the world= . One of their visionary leaders said, =93It is time we steered by the star= s and not by the lights of every passing ship.=94=20 In the last year of that war, you gave the Peace Prize to a man from my hom= etown of 2000 people, Carthage, Tennessee. Cordell Hull was described by Fr= anklin Roosevelt as the =93Father of the United Nations.=94 He was an inspi= ration and hero to my own father, who followed Hull in the Congress and the= U.S. Senate and in his commitment to world peace and global cooperation.=20 My parents spoke often of Hull, always in tones of reverence and admiration= . Eight weeks ago, when you announced this prize, the deepest emotion I fel= t was when I saw the headline in my hometown paper that simply noted I had = won the same prize that Cordell Hull had won. In that moment, I knew what m= y father and mother would have felt were they alive. Just as Hull=92s generation found moral authority in rising to solve the wo= rld crisis caused by fascism, so too can we find our greatest opportunity i= n rising to solve the climate crisis. In the Kanji characters used in both = Chinese and Japanese, =93crisis=94 is written with two symbols, the first m= eaning =93danger,=94 the second =93opportunity.=94 By facing and removing t= he danger of the climate crisis, we have the opportunity to gain the moral = authority and vision to vastly increase our own capacity to solve other cri= ses that have been too long ignored. We must understand the connections between the climate crisis and the affli= ctions of poverty, hunger, HIV-Aids and other pandemics. As these problems = are linked, so too must be their solutions. We must begin by making the com= mon rescue of the global environment the central organizing principle of th= e world community.=20 Fifteen years ago, I made that case at the =93Earth Summit=94 in Rio de Jan= eiro. Ten years ago, I presented it in Kyoto. This week, I will urge the de= legates in Bali to adopt a bold mandate for a treaty that establishes a uni= versal global cap on emissions and uses the market in emissions trading to = efficiently allocate resources to the most effective opportunities for spee= dy reductions. This treaty should be ratified and brought into effect everywhere in the wo= rld by the beginning of 2010 =96 two years sooner than presently contemplat= ed. The pace of our response must be accelerated to match the accelerating = pace of the crisis itself.=20 Heads of state should meet early next year to review what was accomplished = in Bali and take personal responsibility for addressing this crisis. It is = not unreasonable to ask, given the gravity of our circumstances, that these= heads of state meet every three months until the treaty is completed.=20 We also need a moratorium on the construction of any new generating facilit= y that burns coal without the capacity to safely trap and store carbon diox= ide.=20 And most important of all, we need to put a price on carbon -- with a CO2 t= ax that is then rebated back to the people, progressively, according to the= laws of each nation, in ways that shift the burden of taxation from employ= ment to pollution. This is by far the most effective and simplest way to ac= celerate solutions to this crisis.=20 The world needs an alliance =96 especially of those nations that weigh heav= iest in the scales where earth is in the balance. I salute Europe and Japan= for the steps they=92ve taken in recent years to meet the challenge, and t= he new government in Australia, which has made solving the climate crisis i= ts first priority.=20 But the outcome will be decisively influenced by two nations that are now f= ailing to do enough: the United States and China. While India is also growi= ng fast in importance, it should be absolutely clear that it is the two lar= gest CO2 emitters =97 most of all, my own country =96=96 that will need to = make the boldest moves, or stand accountable before history for their failu= re to act. Both countries should stop using the other=92s behavior as an excuse for st= alemate and instead develop an agenda for mutual survival in a shared globa= l environment. These are the last few years of decision, but they can be the first years o= f a bright and hopeful future if we do what we must. No one should believe = a solution will be found without effort, without cost, without change. Let = us acknowledge that if we wish to redeem squandered time and speak again wi= th moral authority, then these are the hard truths:=20 The way ahead is difficult. The outer boundary of what we currently believe= is feasible is still far short of what we actually must do. Moreover, betw= een here and there, across the unknown, falls the shadow.=20 That is just another way of saying that we have to expand the boundaries of= what is possible. In the words of the Spanish poet, Antonio Machado, =93Pa= thwalker, there is no path. You must make the path as you walk.=94 We are standing at the most fateful fork in that path. So I want to end as = I began, with a vision of two futures =96 each a palpable possibility =96 a= nd with a prayer that we will see with vivid clarity the necessity of choos= ing between those two futures, and the urgency of making the right choice n= ow. The great Norwegian playwright, Henrik Ibsen, wrote, =93One of these days, = the younger generation will come knocking at my door.=94=20 The future is knocking at our door right now. Make no mistake, the next gen= eration will ask us one of two questions. Either they will ask: =93What wer= e you thinking; why didn=92t you act?=94=20 Or they will ask instead: =93How did you find the moral courage to rise and= successfully resolve a crisis that so many said was impossible to solve?= =94=20 We have everything we need to get started, save perhaps political will, but= political will is a renewable resource.=20 So let us renew it, and say together: =93We have a purpose. We are many. Fo= r this purpose we will rise, and we will act.=94 You can unsubscribe from this list at any time. View our Privacy Policy _____________________________________________________________________= _______________ Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt= =3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Mon Dec 10 14:56:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74236 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 22:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 22:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 22:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id 1.c61.1f875240 (52483); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:55:41 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from [66.229.65.102] (c-66-229-65-102.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [66.229.65.102]) by ciaaol-d10.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD105-cd03475dc3e5171; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:55:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:55:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 66.229.65.102 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Leon Maurer Subject: Lenny asks; What's new in scientific philosophy that could straighten out everyone's mind? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=fQlkVORFy-ESLiq7jd9c5XLhQQlmORoPw0wFJImm23-XwUI1sV4 X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42360 Want to know what is going on at the cutting edges of the New Scientific Paradigm now coming around the bend -- which will soon verify Theosophical metaphysics along with my ABC field model that explains it all geometrically and electrodynamically? Check out the following reference index of relevant articles and authors. Be selective. See the *real* world from different Points of view. Find out who and what we really are, and how we are all interconnected. Have fun. http://twm.co.nz/ind3.html For starters, read: http://twm.co.nz/hologram.html And follow all the links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Mon Dec 10 16:32:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8389 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 00:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 00:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 00:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d1d.1a951331 (37553) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:31:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from Webmail-mg19 (webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.167]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-92b1475dda6d353; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:31:41 -0500 References: <801506.55319.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:31:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <801506.55319.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33060-STANDARD X-Received: from 69.217.160.2 by Webmail-mg19.sysops.aol.com (64.12.142.167) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:31:41 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA09A45582A2F0-F4C-644@Webmail-mg19.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.142.167 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=DLc13Vmg6cxpUMqvhJvFyFZFm1gvYEfvFBQU5nykh0iXNtmuzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42361 Eight years of studying under Bill Clinton and he's STILL as boring as virt= ue itself. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano=20 -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 4:47 pm Subject: Theos-World Al Gore's speech I wanted to share with you my speech from the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony in= =20 slo. Check AlGore.com for video of the event later today. hank you, l Gore PEECH BY AL GORE ON THE ACCEPTANCE F THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE ECEMBER 10, 2007 SLO, NORWAY our Majesties, Your Royal Highnesses, Honorable members of the Norwegian No= bel=20 ommittee, Excellencies, Ladies and gentlemen. have a purpose here today. It is a purpose I have tried to serve for many= =20 ears. I have prayed that God would show me a way to accomplish it.=20 ometimes, without warning, the future knocks on our door with a precious an= d=20 ainful vision of what might be. One hundred and nineteen years ago, a wealt= hy=20 nventor read his own obituary, mistakenly published years before his death.= =20 rongly believing the inventor had just died, a newspaper printed a harsh=20 udgment of his life=E2=80=99s work, unfairly labeling him =E2=80=9CThe Merc= hant of Death=E2=80=9D=20 ecause of his invention =E2=80=93 dynamite. Shaken by this condemnation, th= e inventor=20 ade a fateful choice to serve the cause of peace.=20 even years later, Alfred Nobel created this prize and the others that bear = his=20 ame. even years ago tomorrow, I read my own political obituary in a judgment tha= t=20 eemed to me harsh and mistaken =E2=80=93 if not premature. But that unwelco= me verdict=20 lso brought a precious if painful gift: an opportunity to search for fresh = new=20 ays to serve my purpose.=20 nexpectedly, that quest has brought me here. Even though I fear my words ca= nnot=20 atch this moment, I pray what I am feeling in my heart will be communicated= =20 learly enough that those who hear me will say, =E2=80=9CWe must act.=E2=80= =9D=20 he distinguished scientists with whom it is the greatest honor of my life t= o=20 hare this award have laid before us a choice between two different futures = =E2=80=93 a=20 hoice that to my ears echoes the words of an ancient prophet: =E2=80=9CLife= or death,=20 lessings or curses. Therefore, choose life, that both thou and thy seed may= =20 ive.=E2=80=9D e, the human species, are confronting a planetary emergency =E2=80=93 a thr= eat to the=20 urvival of our civilization that is gathering ominous and destructive poten= tial=20 ven as we gather here. But there is hopeful news as well: we have the abili= ty=20 o solve this crisis and avoid the worst =E2=80=93 though not all =E2=80=93 = of its consequences,=20 f we act boldly, decisively and quickly. owever, despite a growing number of honorable exceptions, too many of the=20 orld=E2=80=99s leaders are still best described in the words Winston Church= ill applied=20 o those who ignored Adolf Hitler=E2=80=99s threat: =E2=80=9CThey go on in s= trange paradox,=20 ecided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift,= =20 olid for fluidity, all powerful to be impotent.=E2=80=9D o today, we dumped another 70 million tons of global-warming pollution into= the=20 hin shell of atmosphere surrounding our planet, as if it were an open sewer= .=20 nd tomorrow, we will dump a slightly larger amount, with the cumulative=20 oncentrations now trapping more and more heat from the sun. s a result, the earth has a fever. And the fever is rising. The experts hav= e=20 old us it is not a passing affliction that will heal by itself. We asked fo= r a=20 econd opinion. And a third. And a fourth. And the consistent conclusion,=20 estated with increasing alarm, is that something basic is wrong.=20 e are what is wrong, and we must make it right. ast September 21, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun,=20 cientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap= is=20 falling off a cliff.=E2=80=9D One study estimated that it could be complete= ly gone=20 uring summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U= .S.=20 avy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 ye= ars. even years from now. n the last few months, it has been harder and harder to misinterpret the si= gns=20 hat our world is spinning out of kilter. Major cities in North and South=20 merica, Asia and Australia are nearly out of water due to massive droughts = and=20 elting glaciers. Desperate farmers are losing their livelihoods. Peoples in= the=20 rozen Arctic and on low-lying Pacific islands are planning evacuations of=20 laces they have long called home. Unprecedented wildfires have forced a hal= f=20 illion people from their homes in one country and caused a national emergen= cy=20 hat almost brought down the government in another. Climate refugees have=20 igrated into areas already inhabited by people with different cultures,=20 eligions, and traditions, increasing the potential for conflict. Stronger=20 torms in the Pacific and Atlantic have threatened whole cities. Millions ha= ve=20 een displaced by massive flooding in South Asia, Mexico, and 18 countries i= n=20 frica. As temperature extremes have increased, tens of thousands have lost their lives. We are recklessly burni= ng=20 nd clearing our forests and driving more and more species into extinction. = The=20 ery web of life on which we depend is being ripped and frayed. e never intended to cause all this destruction, just as Alfred Nobel never= =20 ntended that dynamite be used for waging war. He had hoped his invention wo= uld=20 romote human progress. We shared that same worthy goal when we began burnin= g=20 assive quantities of coal, then oil and methane.=20 ven in Nobel=E2=80=99s time, there were a few warnings of the likely conseq= uences. One=20 f the very first winners of the Prize in chemistry worried that, =E2=80=9CW= e are=20 vaporating our coal mines into the air.=E2=80=9D After performing 10,000 eq= uations by=20 and, Svante Arrhenius calculated that the earth=E2=80=99s average temperatu= re would=20 ncrease by many degrees if we doubled the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.= =20 eventy years later, my teacher, Roger Revelle, and his colleague, Dave Keel= ing,=20 egan to precisely document the increasing CO2 levels day by day. ut unlike most other forms of pollution, CO2 is invisible, tasteless, and=20 dorless -- which has helped keep the truth about what it is doing to our=20 limate out of sight and out of mind. Moreover, the catastrophe now threaten= ing=20 s is unprecedented =E2=80=93 and we often confuse the unprecedented with th= e=20 mprobable. e also find it hard to imagine making the massive changes that are now=20 ecessary to solve the crisis. And when large truths are genuinely inconveni= ent,=20 hole societies can, at least for a time, ignore them. Yet as George Orwell= =20 eminds us: =E2=80=9CSooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid r= eality,=20 sually on a battlefield.=E2=80=9D=20 n the years since this prize was first awarded, the entire relationship bet= ween=20 umankind and the earth has been radically transformed. And still, we have=20 emained largely oblivious to the impact of our cumulative actions.=20 ndeed, without realizing it, we have begun to wage war on the earth itself.= =20 ow, we and the earth's climate are locked in a relationship familiar to war= =20 lanners: "Mutually assured destruction."=20 ore than two decades ago, scientists calculated that nuclear war could thro= w so=20 uch debris and smoke into the air that it would block life-giving sunlight = from=20 ur atmosphere, causing a "nuclear winter." Their eloquent warnings here in = Oslo=20 elped galvanize the world=E2=80=99s resolve to halt the nuclear arms race.= =20 ow science is warning us that if we do not quickly reduce the global warmin= g=20 ollution that is trapping so much of the heat our planet normally radiates = back=20 ut of the atmosphere, we are in danger of creating a permanent =E2=80=9Ccar= bon summer.=E2=80=9D=20 As the American poet Robert Frost wrote, =E2=80=9CSome say the world will e= nd in fire;=20 ome say in ice.=E2=80=9D Either, he notes, =E2=80=9Cwould suffice.=E2=80=9D ut neither need be our fate. It is time to make peace with the planet.=20 e must quickly mobilize our civilization with the urgency and resolve that = has=20 reviously been seen only when nations mobilized for war. These prior strugg= les=20 or survival were won when leaders found words at the 11th hour that release= d a=20 ighty surge of courage, hope and readiness to sacrifice for a protracted an= d=20 ortal challenge.=20 hese were not comforting and misleading assurances that the threat was not = real=20 r imminent; that it would affect others but not ourselves; that ordinary li= fe=20 ight be lived even in the presence of extraordinary threat; that Providence= =20 ould be trusted to do for us what we would not do for ourselves. o, these were calls to come to the defense of the common future. They were= =20 alls upon the courage, generosity and strength of entire peoples, citizens = of=20 very class and condition who were ready to stand against the threat once as= ked=20 o do so. Our enemies in those times calculated that free people would not r= ise=20 o the challenge; they were, of course, catastrophically wrong.=20 Now comes the threat of climate crisis =E2=80=93 a threat that is real, ris= ing,=20 mminent, and universal. Once again, it is the 11th hour. The penalties for= =20 gnoring this challenge are immense and growing, and at some near point woul= d be=20 nsustainable and unrecoverable. For now we still have the power to choose o= ur=20 ate, and the remaining question is only this: Have we the will to act=20 igorously and in time, or will we remain imprisoned by a dangerous illusion= ? ahatma Gandhi awakened the largest democracy on earth and forged a shared=20 esolve with what he called =E2=80=9CSatyagraha=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 or =E2=80= =9Ctruth force.=E2=80=9D=20 n every land, the truth =E2=80=93 once known =E2=80=93 has the power to set= us free.=20 ruth also has the power to unite us and bridge the distance between =E2=80= =9Cme=E2=80=9D and=20 we,=E2=80=9D creating the basis for common effort and shared responsibility= . here is an African proverb that says, =E2=80=9CIf you want to go quickly, g= o alone. If=20 ou want to go far, go together.=E2=80=9D We need to go far, quickly. e must abandon the conceit that individual, isolated, private actions are t= he=20 nswer. They can and do help. But they will not take us far enough without=20 ollective action. At the same time, we must ensure that in mobilizing globa= lly,=20 e do not invite the establishment of ideological conformity and a new lock-= step=20 ism.=E2=80=9D hat means adopting principles, values, laws, and treaties that release=20 reativity and initiative at every level of society in multifold responses=20 riginating concurrently and spontaneously.=20 his new consciousness requires expanding the possibilities inherent in all= =20 umanity. The innovators who will devise a new way to harness the sun=E2=80= =99s energy=20 or pennies or invent an engine that=E2=80=99s carbon negative may live in L= agos or=20 umbai or Montevideo. We must ensure that entrepreneurs and inventors everyw= here=20 n the globe have the chance to change the world.=20 hen we unite for a moral purpose that is manifestly good and true, the=20 piritual energy unleashed can transform us. The generation that defeated=20 ascism throughout the world in the 1940s found, in rising to meet their awe= some=20 hallenge, that they had gained the moral authority and long-term vision to= =20 aunch the Marshall Plan, the United Nations, and a new level of global=20 ooperation and foresight that unified Europe and facilitated the emergence = of=20 emocracy and prosperity in Germany, Japan, Italy and much of the world. One= of=20 heir visionary leaders said, =E2=80=9CIt is time we steered by the stars an= d not by the=20 ights of every passing ship.=E2=80=9D=20 n the last year of that war, you gave the Peace Prize to a man from my home= town=20 f 2000 people, Carthage, Tennessee. Cordell Hull was described by Franklin= =20 oosevelt as the =E2=80=9CFather of the United Nations.=E2=80=9D He was an i= nspiration and hero=20 o my own father, who followed Hull in the Congress and the U.S. Senate and = in=20 is commitment to world peace and global cooperation.=20 y parents spoke often of Hull, always in tones of reverence and admiration.= =20 ight weeks ago, when you announced this prize, the deepest emotion I felt w= as=20 hen I saw the headline in my hometown paper that simply noted I had won the= =20 ame prize that Cordell Hull had won. In that moment, I knew what my father = and=20 other would have felt were they alive. ust as Hull=E2=80=99s generation found moral authority in rising to solve t= he world=20 risis caused by fascism, so too can we find our greatest opportunity in ris= ing=20 o solve the climate crisis. In the Kanji characters used in both Chinese an= d=20 apanese, =E2=80=9Ccrisis=E2=80=9D is written with two symbols, the first me= aning =E2=80=9Cdanger,=E2=80=9D the=20 econd =E2=80=9Copportunity.=E2=80=9D By facing and removing the danger of t= he climate crisis,=20 e have the opportunity to gain the moral authority and vision to vastly=20 ncrease our own capacity to solve other crises that have been too long igno= red. e must understand the connections between the climate crisis and the=20 fflictions of poverty, hunger, HIV-Aids and other pandemics. As these probl= ems=20 re linked, so too must be their solutions. We must begin by making the comm= on=20 escue of the global environment the central organizing principle of the wor= ld=20 ommunity.=20 ifteen years ago, I made that case at the =E2=80=9CEarth Summit=E2=80=9D in= Rio de Janeiro. Ten=20 ears ago, I presented it in Kyoto. This week, I will urge the delegates in = Bali=20 o adopt a bold mandate for a treaty that establishes a universal global cap= on=20 missions and uses the market in emissions trading to efficiently allocate=20 esources to the most effective opportunities for speedy reductions. his treaty should be ratified and brought into effect everywhere in the wor= ld=20 y the beginning of 2010 =E2=80=93 two years sooner than presently contempla= ted. The=20 ace of our response must be accelerated to match the accelerating pace of t= he=20 risis itself.=20 eads of state should meet early next year to review what was accomplished i= n=20 ali and take personal responsibility for addressing this crisis. It is not= =20 nreasonable to ask, given the gravity of our circumstances, that these head= s of=20 tate meet every three months until the treaty is completed.=20 e also need a moratorium on the construction of any new generating facility= =20 hat burns coal without the capacity to safely trap and store carbon dioxide= .=20 nd most important of all, we need to put a price on carbon -- with a CO2 ta= x=20 hat is then rebated back to the people, progressively, according to the law= s of=20 ach nation, in ways that shift the burden of taxation from employment to=20 ollution. This is by far the most effective and simplest way to accelerate= =20 olutions to this crisis.=20 he world needs an alliance =E2=80=93 especially of those nations that weigh= heaviest in=20 he scales where earth is in the balance. I salute Europe and Japan for the= =20 teps they=E2=80=99ve taken in recent years to meet the challenge, and the n= ew=20 overnment in Australia, which has made solving the climate crisis its first= =20 riority.=20 ut the outcome will be decisively influenced by two nations that are now=20 ailing to do enough: the United States and China. While India is also growi= ng=20 ast in importance, it should be absolutely clear that it is the two largest= CO2=20 mitters =E2=80=94 most of all, my own country =E2=80=93=E2=80=93 that will = need to make the boldest=20 oves, or stand accountable before history for their failure to act. oth countries should stop using the other=E2=80=99s behavior as an excuse f= or stalemate=20 nd instead develop an agenda for mutual survival in a shared global=20 nvironment. hese are the last few years of decision, but they can be the first years of= a=20 right and hopeful future if we do what we must. No one should believe a=20 olution will be found without effort, without cost, without change. Let us= =20 cknowledge that if we wish to redeem squandered time and speak again with m= oral=20 uthority, then these are the hard truths:=20 he way ahead is difficult. The outer boundary of what we currently believe = is=20 easible is still far short of what we actually must do. Moreover, between h= ere=20 nd there, across the unknown, falls the shadow.=20 hat is just another way of saying that we have to expand the boundaries of = what=20 s possible. In the words of the Spanish poet, Antonio Machado, =E2=80=9CPat= hwalker,=20 here is no path. You must make the path as you walk.=E2=80=9D e are standing at the most fateful fork in that path. So I want to end as I= =20 egan, with a vision of two futures =E2=80=93 each a palpable possibility = =E2=80=93 and with a=20 rayer that we will see with vivid clarity the necessity of choosing between= =20 hose two futures, and the urgency of making the right choice now. he great Norwegian playwright, Henrik Ibsen, wrote, =E2=80=9COne of these d= ays, the=20 ounger generation will come knocking at my door.=E2=80=9D=20 he future is knocking at our door right now. Make no mistake, the next=20 eneration will ask us one of two questions. Either they will ask: =E2=80=9C= What were=20 ou thinking; why didn=E2=80=99t you act?=E2=80=9D=20 r they will ask instead: =E2=80=9CHow did you find the moral courage to ris= e and=20 uccessfully resolve a crisis that so many said was impossible to solve?=E2= =80=9D=20 e have everything we need to get started, save perhaps political will, but= =20 olitical will is a renewable resource.=20 o let us renew it, and say together: =E2=80=9CWe have a purpose. 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcd= n.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=3Daolcmp00050000= 000003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stillpointed@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 19:12:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34470 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 03:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 03:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 03:12:36 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 03:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 03:12:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 03:12:33 -0000 X-Sender: stillpointed@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17821 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 07:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2007 07:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 07:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 07:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 07:15:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 07:15:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:15:03 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <480978.24752.qm@web52105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.214.140.81 From: "stillpointed" Subject: Theos-World Re: BE STILL and KNOW PEACE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92075909; y=Eb5N-w-QoxD1B5wKtsowo2MtVVUi2q2gULtq8Gyhnoc2fOtP8s98 X-Yahoo-Profile: stillpointed X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 11 Dec 2007 03:12:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42362 Unfortunately there was no viable continuity to Gandhi's Mission.=20 > My thinking is that Ghandi was the way of the advanced soul. His=20 mission therefore served as an example of what is possible through=20 non-violence. Once Ghandi passed the violence between India and=20 Pakistan continued, suggesting that those souls were not at the=20 level required to reach a compassionate understanding for each other. >=20 > Cass >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: stillpointed > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 10:59:11 PM > Subject: Theos-World Re: BE STILL and KNOW PEACE corrections >=20 > Corrections. Also, I forgot to include Paul's message.=20 >=20 > I wonder how Gandhi's legacy would have been different emphasizing=20 > being still and knowing peace. By himself I doubt whether it would=20 > have made much difference. In any case, India today is not an=20 > example of a healthy nation, what with its nuclear weapons, ethnic=20 > strife, and massive poverty. But if all his followers and=20 > admirers around the world had joined in a massive and simultaneous=20 > consciousness of knowing peace, who knows what the outcome would=20 > have been. One could hardly call this inaction. The stress=20 > reduction for personal health alone might have been worth it.=20 >=20 > Ed >=20 > Paul wrote: >=20 > Interesting Ed, I think I understand what you are saying, though=20 the=20 > question that comes to the forefront of my mind is this~ with your=20 > thinking about the balance in mind, would you then say that Ghandi=20 > would have been better off being still and knowing? I guess I am=20 > asking where is that line? when is the moment when non action=20 > becomes action? or are you saying that all action is a futile=20 effort=20 > and that through out all time to align the world our time is=20 better=20 > served in meditation than in action? Just not sure what you are=20 > meaning, thanks for the thread...and the clarity.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you=20 > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.=20=20 http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=3DAt9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Tue Dec 11 01:12:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92028 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 09:12:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 09:12:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-7.brturbo.com.br) (200.226.190.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 09:12:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24152 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 08:07:53 -0000 X-Received: from 201-35-212-159.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (HELO SUPERCORDE) ([201.35.212.159]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.64.250.66 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2007 08:07:53 -0000 Message-ID: <00b801c83bd6$01034210$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: , References: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:12:34 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "krishtar" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.226.190.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: Re: Theos-World Historians and english teaching fakers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=anZh6-NVdkyA83ZMvIwxDrljzGyshexgP7H23zgvP1pD-bvgvw X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42363 Hi... jsut a short nome about a parallel story. It is said that the church developed a secret way of rapidly teaching new=20 languages to their "mormon soldiers". Is that true? Here in Brazil there is a former american discident member that founded an= =20 English school center using the same speed-methods that the CDDS did to=20 teach the new idioms for the "elders". This man, with a true or fake surname Wizard started to promote his english= =20 course here telling out and loud that he used the Utah mormon technique to= =20 acceletrate the learning. The church soon set attorneys to prevent the "=20 misuse of the sacred CDDS=B4s name in vain " It=B4s said that during 2 months the student in the mormon headquarters sta= ys=20 under intensive trainment to give him a survivor=B4s knowledge of the new=20 language in order to begin the works in the new country. Wizard came to Brazil and founded dozens of schools...but soon he was also= =20 pagiarized... It=B4s a pitty that a certificate from these schools or their clones do not= =20 serve for anything other than take money from the students. Krishtar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M K Ramadoss To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ; theos-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: Theos-World Historians There is a nice article about the issues surrounding historians who have tried to research Mormons. Membership in CLDS is growing rapidly and many are very successful in the business world. The article makes interesting reading. This is typically a case where historians are really challenged. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2007/12/09/making_mormon= _history/ mkr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date:=20 12/9/aaaa 11:06 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Tue Dec 11 01:13:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15491 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 09:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 09:13:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-7.brturbo.com.br) (200.226.190.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 09:13:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24236 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 08:08:05 -0000 X-Received: from 201-35-212-159.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (HELO SUPERCORDE) ([201.35.212.159]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.64.250.66 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2007 08:08:05 -0000 Message-ID: <00bd01c83bd6$080da050$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: , "Anand Gholap" References: <002d01c83a4f$7dc159f0$7301a8c0@13c18q9decf9> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:13:01 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "krishtar" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.226.190.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: Re: Theos-World The Masters (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=GV2PfxXo8rMJGLWCD7MPdbLCOUTbp40mqQB33ZLvHGY4sUCv7w X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42364 Can one believe in CWL=B4s descriptions about the masters? Is it as accurate as the texts about life on mars? I wonder we may ponder about it. Krishtar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ANAND GHOLAP To: Anand Gholap Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Theos-World The Masters (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) http://www.AnandGholap.net/Theosophy_Pamphlet-Anand_Gholap.pdf - Importan= t pamphlet for studying and spreading Theosophy] "The Mahachohan is the type of the Statesman, the great Organizer, though= =20 He too has many military qualities. He wears an Indian body, and is tall an= d=20 thin, with a sharp profile, very fine and clear-cut, and no hair on the=20 face. His face is rather stern, with a strong, square chin; His eyes are=20 deep and penetrating, and He speaks somewhat abruptly, as a soldier speaks.= =20 He generally wears Indian robes and a white turban. The Master the Comte de St. Germain resembles Him in many ways. Though He= =20 is not especially tall, He is very upright and military in His bearing, and= =20 He has the exquisite courtesy and dignity of a grand seigneur of the=20 eighteenth century; we feel at once that He belongs to a very old and noble= =20 family. His eyes are large and brown, and are filled with tenderness and=20 humour, though there is in them a glint of power; and the splendour of His= =20 Presence impels men to make obeisance. His face is olive-tanned; His=20 close-cut brown hair is parted in the centre and brushed back from the=20 forehead, and He has a short and pointed beard. Often He wears a dark=20 uniform with facings of gold lace-- often also a magnificent red military=20 cloak-- and these accentuate His soldier-like appearance. He usually reside= s=20 in an ancient castle in Eastern Europe that has belonged to his family for= =20 many centuries. The Master Serapis is tall, and fair in complexion. He is a Greek by=20 birth, though all His work has been done in Egypt and in connection with th= e=20 Egyptian Lodge. He is very distinguished and ascetic in face, somewhat=20 resembling the late Cardinal Newman. Perhaps the Venetian Chohan is the handsomest of all the Members of the=20 Brotherhood. He is very tall-- about six feet five inches, and has a flowin= g=20 beard and golden hair somewhat like those of the Manu; and His eyes are=20 blue. Although He was born in Venice, His family undoubtedly has Gothic=20 blood in its veins, for He is a man distinctly of that type. The Master Hilarion is a Greek and, except that He has a slightly aquilin= e=20 nose, is of the ancient Greek type. His forehead is low and broad, and=20 resembles that of the Hermes of Praxiteles. He too is wonderfully handsome,= =20 and looks rather younger than most of' the Adepts. " Complete book can be read at http://AnandGholap.net/Masters_And_Path-CWL.htm In Christ. 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Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date:=20 12/9/aaaa 11:06 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 02:21:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71688 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 10:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 10:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 10:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 10:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 10:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 10:21:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:21:31 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <801506.55319.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.149.244.165 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Re: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=ouD9n9Z_nU789Tm2VLVSeQdDWj2h74Odqar0nKeaCmlvXVr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42365 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > I wanted to share with you my speech from the Nobel Peace Prize=20 ceremony in Oslo. Check AlGore.com for video of the event later today. > Thank you, > Al Gore > SPEECH BY AL GORE ON THE ACCEPTANCE > OF THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE DECEMBER 10, 2007 I am working in the institute dedicated to Earth physics and Ecology=20 (Institute for Dynamics of the Geospheres). Just several minutes ago=20 we discussed it with our boss. He said that it is all humbug and=20 wondered how Nobel price could fell so low. Actually it was given for=20 scientific falsification. None of the scientists takes it seriously,=20 in our department at least. From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 02:56:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52400 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 10:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 10:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 10:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 10:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 10:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 10:56:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:56:36 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=erADy8uq64ZtHeXeO8xw5tEA0NyEbwk2AnQiZjKsISgl46UVlJiK4lWu69HsHC0 X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42366 Yes, I think because of , show the world, the Americans would have=20 been better to choose him in stead of Bush to be president. So to honor their mistake for that. FrGr Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin=20 Zaitzev" wrote: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: >=20 > > I wanted to share with you my speech from the Nobel Peace Prize=20 > ceremony in Oslo. Check AlGore.com for video of the event later=20 today. >=20 > > Thank you, > > Al Gore > > SPEECH BY AL GORE ON THE ACCEPTANCE > > OF THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE DECEMBER 10, 2007 >=20 > I am working in the institute dedicated to Earth physics and=20 Ecology=20 > (Institute for Dynamics of the Geospheres). Just several minutes=20 ago=20 > we discussed it with our boss. He said that it is all humbug and=20 > wondered how Nobel price could fell so low. Actually it was given=20 for=20 > scientific falsification. None of the scientists takes it=20 seriously,=20 > in our department at least. > From adelasie@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 11 06:41:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: adelasie@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66950 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 14:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 14:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.212) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 14:40:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25207 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 14:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.103?) (adelasie@sbcglobal.net@76.209.223.216 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 14:40:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QFOBnhIVM1kbPuCcX1ssiCr2ac3dTdFfet6JWtEoCu4cRVkE8M1RFDeTnLvMbLAIpNY8QYYcVA-- To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:44:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <475E31CE.5030.1686EF5B@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <801506.55319.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "adelasie" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161282999 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42367 Konstantin, Would you please tell more about your institute and what you study and where you are? Are you saying that according to your scientific work, you conclude that Global Warming is not happening? Or are you saying it is not a threat to the environment? Could you tell us why? Thank you, Adelasie > I am working in the institute dedicated to Earth physics and Ecology > (Institute for Dynamics of the Geospheres). Just several minutes ago > we discussed it with our boss. He said that it is all humbug and > wondered how Nobel price could fell so low. Actually it was given for > scientific falsification. None of the scientists takes it seriously, > in our department at least. > > From Drpsionic@aol.com Tue Dec 11 08:37:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60148 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 16:37:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 16:37:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 16:37:36 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c6f.20061884 (37567) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:37:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB044-92bf475ebcca3ca; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:37:30 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:37:30 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 69.217.160.2 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 69.217.160.2 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:37:30 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA0A2B4210DBA4-E10-1114@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=ZKZwRw-qq7F4TlNRDlYTXr2usjCm4-xwB_x042VigFHbIyUs2w X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42368 Looking at the snow outside my window, humbug is the kindest thing you can call it. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Konstantin Zaitzev To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 4:21 am Subject: Theos-World Re: Al Gore's speech --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > I wanted to share with you my speech from the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony in Oslo. Check AlGore.com for video of the event later today. > Thank you, > Al Gore > SPEECH BY AL GORE ON THE ACCEPTANCE > OF THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE DECEMBER 10, 2007 I am working in the institute dedicated to Earth physics and Ecology (Institute for Dynamics of the Geospheres). Just several minutes ago we discussed it with our boss. He said that it is all humbug and wondered how Nobel price could fell so low. Actually it was given for scientific falsification. None of the scientists takes it seriously, in our department at least. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Tue Dec 11 08:41:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48205 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 16:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 16:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 16:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d63.b551235 (37038) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:39:51 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB028-90ae475ebd5657; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:39:50 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:39:51 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 69.217.160.2 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 69.217.160.2 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:39:51 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA0A2B95C89410-E10-1150@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=cizo6rDKsTIRpVjpYVclmnuXQSvzUdK4qX_Gb7jqBiw5ylOAnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42369 You never had to suffer through one of his speeches.? Bush was infinitely preferable in that whatever failings he may have, boring people to death is not one of them. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: christinaleestemaker To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 4:56 am Subject: Theos-World Re: Al Gore's speech Yes, I think because of , show the world, the Americans would have been better to choose him in stead of Bush to be president. So to honor their mistake for that. FrGr Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin Zaitzev" wrote: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > I wanted to share with you my speech from the Nobel Peace Prize > ceremony in Oslo. Check AlGore.com for video of the event later today. > > > Thank you, > > Al Gore > > SPEECH BY AL GORE ON THE ACCEPTANCE > > OF THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE DECEMBER 10, 2007 > > I am working in the institute dedicated to Earth physics and Ecology > (Institute for Dynamics of the Geospheres). Just several minutes ago > we discussed it with our boss. He said that it is all humbug and > wondered how Nobel price could fell so low. Actually it was given for > scientific falsification. None of the scientists takes it seriously, > in our department at least. > ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 09:34:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55015 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 17:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 17:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 17:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 17:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 17:34:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:34:51 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <475E31CE.5030.1686EF5B@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.237.57.101 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Theos-World Re: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=8n4ofOZVa_x7Rj_N81FB8VXNa_aOuwMn7jm8imLPSkqj8UVG X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42370 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" wrote: > Would you please tell more about your institute and what you study=20 > and where you are? Our institute was initially a department of Earth Physics Institute.=20 In 1991 it became a separate institute. In previous years it was=20 occupied largely with nuclear tests and their influence, also with=20 international control over the tests. Later the area widened to atmospheric electricity, microfine particles=20 in atmosphere, etc. Processes in Earth crust are also studied. The institute is located in Moscow. Unfortunately I didn't find any English pages on the site of the=20 institute http://idg.chph.ras.ru , yet they are on the personal site=20 of one of the researchers: http://spungin.chat.ru/indexe.htm I haven't researches of my own and am rather a technical worker=20 participating in different researches. > Are you saying that according to your scientific work, you > conclude that Global Warming is not happening? Or are you=20 > saying it is not a threat to the environment? Could you tell us why? It is apparently happening, at least in the last years in Moscow, but=20 we don't know the real causes. Also it may be local. There is still no=20 proofs that it is due human activity, as volcanoes and mires emit many=20 times more gases than all our industry. Another point is that, as some=20 researchers say, temperature on Mars undergoes the same dynamics as on=20 Earth, which lead us to conclusion that it's some extra-terrestial=20 factor, presumably the Sun activity, is influencing several planets at=20 once. >From the other side, dust from volcanoes (and also technical dust) can=20 lower the temperature significantly, as it was at Krakatoa eruption in=20 1880's and Tambora in 1815 when most of Europe and North America=20 experienced the famine (1816). Secondly, we don't know whether global warming is treat to=20 environment. Some say that it leads to the widening of the deserts,=20 but this process is taking place for many thousands years already.=20 Several thousands years ago Sahara, Mongolia ans Saudy Arabia were=20 flourishing places. Nevertheless there were very cold periods in=20 Middle Ages and probably earlier. From the other side, the Carbonic=20 period was very warm, and in the same time very wet too. The sea ice which will melt will not change the sea level what is=20 evident according the Archimed low, only the continental ice matters.=20 Yet we should not forget that at warming much water will be=20 transformed into the vapour. Moreover, that vapour may condense on the=20 mountain hights and feed the rivers. It is obvious that the less ice,=20 the more water is working in the system. To conclude I would emphasize that we don't know anything for sure, so=20 too hasty efforts, for example, as spreading dust in the atmosphere=20 for cooling, or boosting the atomic energy, can do much harm. The only good result of this warming campaign is that more people are=20 paying attention to enviromental problems than before and learn to be=20 less egoistic, so there is some good factor for the human evolution. From adelasie@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 11 13:05:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: adelasie@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64911 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 21:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 21:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.88) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 21:05:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26055 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 21:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.103?) (adelasie@sbcglobal.net@76.209.220.52 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 21:05:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rcHPyXEVM1kARwCas6TZDFqXu4rCjblln4N8MQVlDlpxOq3JfWDIn3aQoi_6Vbo4fTeXPFwicnTlMCF9vjP639U.hX_7GmlYxrIM613IIeTW1kQIIA-- To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:09:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <475E8C08.32427.17E7609A@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <475E31CE.5030.1686EF5B@adelasie.sbcglobal.net>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "adelasie" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161282999 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42371 Dear Konstantin, Bolshoi spasibo for your very interesting and informative post. You make some good points, things a layperson such as myself would probably never think of. Clearly we are faced with a very complex and many faceted phenomenon, with quite limited ability to understand all the aspects. It seems that Theosophy might be helpful, as we return to basic ideas, balance, accountability, self-responsibility, the Unity of all Life, compassion, for instance. It has occurred to me lately, in considering all the publicity about Global Warming that becomes more and more pervasive, that in the main this may be a good thing for the evolution of human consciousness, as you mention. No matter what the cause, it is quite evident from a theosophical point of view that continued greed and corruption can only generate destruction, and that the consciousness of unity, selflessness, and willingness to help are the only avenues to progress. Our work becomes more and more important as more and more people are looking for solutions to what seems to loom on the horizon, whatever the cause. Konstantin, I wonder if you are familiar with Delphis Foundation in Moscow? The Delphis Journal publishes very interesting articles on these themes and you might like to read them if you do not already. If you are interested, I could give you contact information. Adelasie On 11 Dec 2007 at 17:34, Konstantin Zaitzev wrote: > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" wrote: > > > Would you please tell more about your institute and what you study > > and where you are? > > Our institute was initially a department of Earth Physics Institute. > In 1991 it became a separate institute. In previous years it was > occupied largely with nuclear tests and their influence, also with > international control over the tests. > Later the area widened to atmospheric electricity, microfine particles > in atmosphere, etc. Processes in Earth crust are also studied. > The institute is located in Moscow. > > Unfortunately I didn't find any English pages on the site of the > institute http://idg.chph.ras.ru , yet they are on the personal site > of one of the researchers: http://spungin.chat.ru/indexe.htm > > I haven't researches of my own and am rather a technical worker > participating in different researches. > > > Are you saying that according to your scientific work, you > > conclude that Global Warming is not happening? Or are you > > saying it is not a threat to the environment? Could you tell us why? > > It is apparently happening, at least in the last years in Moscow, but > we don't know the real causes. Also it may be local. There is still no > proofs that it is due human activity, as volcanoes and mires emit many > times more gases than all our industry. Another point is that, as some > researchers say, temperature on Mars undergoes the same dynamics as on > Earth, which lead us to conclusion that it's some extra-terrestial > factor, presumably the Sun activity, is influencing several planets at > once. > > From the other side, dust from volcanoes (and also technical dust) can > lower the temperature significantly, as it was at Krakatoa eruption in > 1880's and Tambora in 1815 when most of Europe and North America > experienced the famine (1816). > > Secondly, we don't know whether global warming is treat to > environment. Some say that it leads to the widening of the deserts, > but this process is taking place for many thousands years already. > Several thousands years ago Sahara, Mongolia ans Saudy Arabia were > flourishing places. Nevertheless there were very cold periods in > Middle Ages and probably earlier. From the other side, the Carbonic > period was very warm, and in the same time very wet too. > > The sea ice which will melt will not change the sea level what is > evident according the Archimed low, only the continental ice matters. > Yet we should not forget that at warming much water will be > transformed into the vapour. Moreover, that vapour may condense on the > mountain hights and feed the rivers. It is obvious that the less ice, > the more water is working in the system. > > To conclude I would emphasize that we don't know anything for sure, so > too hasty efforts, for example, as spreading dust in the atmosphere > for cooling, or boosting the atomic energy, can do much harm. > The only good result of this warming campaign is that more people are > paying attention to enviromental problems than before and learn to be > less egoistic, so there is some good factor for the human evolution. > > From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 13:31:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23007 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 21:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 21:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 21:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 21:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 21:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2007 21:31:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:31:55 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <475E8C08.32427.17E7609A@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Theos-World Re: Al Gore's speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=1aD-5_t2wp-dKWdN-jfffm6zfDZS98_5EymIC7STp7LRKOMR9FD4 X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42372 Friends, Please see this interesting video and comments: The Great Global warming Swindle http://en.sevenload.com/videos/ha4PoKY/The-Great-Global-Warming-Swindle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle Warmest regards, Anton From silva_cass@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 15:53:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67213 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 23:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 23:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.105) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 23:53:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35303 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2007 23:53:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aE81rjgVM1muBYkJYBIuCaa3KYmh9nNP8sq2afjceEmB5bwie3K5JDDbuXdLhswx2535i6EdZCLmgpnjELPPsSteqNg3ruEAE4vMr3ooHgI2u5v10t22sqlN05cUMr_6Kiw1U2X2ZOtSGZFMOoq_kcaGLw-- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:53:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:53:13 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <364318.34600.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: BE STILL and KNOW PEACE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=m651kZAPIqysxPXLtTA5ig0_JqqWP-rj05FjzY8ey7ZihBTCQw X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42373 Yes, he withdrew his will and the whole thing fell apart Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: stillpointed To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 6:15:03 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: BE STILL and KNOW PEACE Unfortunately there was no viable continuity to Gandhi's Mission. > My thinking is that Ghandi was the way of the advanced soul. His mission therefore served as an example of what is possible through non-violence. Once Ghandi passed the violence between India and Pakistan continued, suggesting that those souls were not at the level required to reach a compassionate understanding for each other. > > Cass > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: stillpointed > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 10:59:11 PM > Subject: Theos-World Re: BE STILL and KNOW PEACE corrections > > Corrections. Also, I forgot to include Paul's message. > > I wonder how Gandhi's legacy would have been different emphasizing > being still and knowing peace. By himself I doubt whether it would > have made much difference. In any case, India today is not an > example of a healthy nation, what with its nuclear weapons, ethnic > strife, and massive poverty. But if all his followers and > admirers around the world had joined in a massive and simultaneous > consciousness of knowing peace, who knows what the outcome would > have been. One could hardly call this inaction. The stress > reduction for personal health alone might have been worth it. > > Ed > > Paul wrote: > > Interesting Ed, I think I understand what you are saying, though the > question that comes to the forefront of my mind is this~ with your > thinking about the balance in mind, would you then say that Ghandi > would have been better off being still and knowing? I guess I am > asking where is that line? when is the moment when non action > becomes action? or are you saying that all action is a futile effort > and that through out all time to align the world our time is better > served in meditation than in action? Just not sure what you are > meaning, thanks for the thread...and the clarity. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ ____________ ___ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt= At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G 1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 15:56:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40783 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 23:56:59 -0000 X-Received: from un