From silva_cass@yahoo.com Thu Nov 01 17:40:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4170 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 00:40:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 00:40:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.109) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 00:40:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71651 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2007 00:40:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ww90yZ4VM1kGRgpd.jKSj5oOPy4pgnQgb.5LyZLlKIrZiTvgiqg8G6qU.p7qaZKWzQ-- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:40:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134.12 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:40:39 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <622437.71185.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Particles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=YlLDF2go2kJyNKWYlaXcACKZ6XnxF3PhuvPTsbfsZ0rMG-AAqA X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42084 Is there anyone who can explain to me how a geometric shape can represent t= he process of creation. I have tried to get my head around platonic geomet= ry for years but I think the link may be too abstract for me. Cheers Cass =20 The Particle - The wrong turn that led physics to a dead end =A9 Engineer Xavier Borg - Blaze Labs=20 The search for the elementary particle=20 =20 As you see, the one-third electron charge keeps popping up from every exper= imental evidence we have. Weyl, Clifford, Einstein, and Schroedinger once s= peculated, "What we observe as material bodies and forces are nothing but s= hapes and variations in the structure of space." Our spherical tetrahedron = model shown above is indeed based on this speculation and clearly indicates= that the six quarks connecting up the protons & neutrons are equivalent to= the six sides of the spherical tetrahedron. Protons and neutrons are just = the point effects of their points of intersection, and these types of hadro= ns can therefore be defined as the intersection point of 3 standing wave pl= anes.=20 Remember that the six sides of this tetrahedron are in fact a picture of th= e fundamental standing wave nodes which appear on any 3D vibrating sphere. = So, if the sides of our model are the 1 dimensional quarks (6 off), then, e= ach vertex connecting a group of 3, will define a hadron (a group of 3 quar= ks). In the diagram you see the three blue elements are equivalent to down = quarks and the 3 red ones to up quarks. By joining together these two frame= s, a three dimensional closed platonic structure consisting of two neutrons= and two protons is formed, equivalent to the simplest & strongest stable n= ucleus of Helium, namely the Alpha particle. This model also clearly explai= ns why neutrons and protons never collide within a nucleus, despite being s= o close. Once the platonic structure is completed, the protons and neutrons= act as a single entity - the one we call nucleus. It also gives a new mean= ing to the strong nuclear bonds, since a tetrahedron is the most stable, and compact geometric 3D shape.=20 At first, it might seem a little bit confusing that a 'solid' nucleus, is m= ade up of a fixed 3D geometric shape of 2D planes and no 3D hard particles,= but the fact that we can now explain a quark in terms of a 1 dimensional n= odal string connection makes sense and reassures us that we really found th= e most fundamental elements - simple elements with no structure. The charge= on each of these hadrons is simply the addition of the charges of the quar= ks, or sides making up the frame of the particular hadron. This spherical t= etrahedron model has some interesting attributes not the least of which is = the fact that spheres which resonate in phase are known to "attract" one an= other, while those with unlike phase angles will repel. We have established= that atoms are EM vibrating spheres and this gives a new more clear meanin= g to the gravitational force between atoms. It is known that two spheres vi= brating in phase attract. If all matter in the universe is a differential of the same 4D hyperspherical EM singularity, then it makes s= ense that all matter gets attracted to each other since all matter would be= vibrating in phase.=20 3 Dimensional Platonics Polytopeverticesedgesfacesdualshadron pairs 1. Tetrahedron464self-dual2 2. Tetradual464Tetrahedron2 3. Octahedron6128cube- 4. Cube8126Octahedron4 5. Icosahedron123020dodecahedron- 6. Dodecahedron203012Icosahedron10 Look closely at the hadron pair coloumn: 2,2,4,10.=20 If we start off with the tetrahedron, and add up shells with the next plato= nic, we will get the series: 2,2,2+2+4,2+ 2+4+10 =3D 2,2,8,18.=20 We know that the number of electrons is equal to the number of protons, hen= ce to the number of hadron pairs. Spectroscopy data gives the sequence 1s, = 2s, 2p, 3s, 3p, 4s, 3d,... or 2,2,6,2,6,2, 10,6,2, which may also be groupe= d as 2,2,8,18, similar to the shell build up sequence of Tetra, tetra, cube= and dodecahedron.=20 So we have seen that a simple tetrahedron is the most accurate picture for = a Helium nucleus, which has the strongest nuclear bond of all elements and = is better known the alpha particle. The Alpha particle thus consists of 4 h= adrons, two protons and two neutrons, with a total charge of +2. Protons an= d neutron are equivalent to the vertices of the standing wave shapes. We ca= n also extend the same model to construct the Be4 nucleus, which has a tota= l binding energy of twice that of 4He2. This is done by fitting another tet= rahedron as shown below to obtain the 8Be4 nucleus, with its vertices commo= n to a cube, representing its 4 protons and 4 neutrons. Note that these str= uctures should not be considered as solid structures but as nodes on spinni= ng spherical surfaces, with each edge element equivalent to a quark, and ea= ch vertex to a nucleon. At all times, tt should be kept in mind that these = shapes are actually 3D standing EM waves, which can also share nodes.=20 The 8Be4 nucleus platonic combination & equivalent spherical standing wave = structure. Binding Energy for 4He : 28295.673 keV (Single tetrahedron) Binding Energy for 8Be : 56499.506 keV (Two compound tetras) Twice binding energy for 4He : 56591.346 keV The difference Be - 2*He =3D -91.84 keV is due to the energy interaction of= the two similar tetrahedrons. Spin for both 4He & 8Be: Zero Half life for 8Be: 6.8 EV Mode of decay for 8Be: 2 Alpha Decay energy for 8Be: 0.092 MeV Even though very light, 8Be is a very stable metal. Its elasticity is large= r than that of steel, its strength four times that of aluminum. The melting= point at nearly 1600 K is very high. In the gas phase Beryllium is monoato= mic.=20 The above structure is the compound of two tetrahedra called the stella oct= angula, discovered by Kepler. The vertices define a cube and the intersecti= on of the two an octahedron, which shares the same face-planes as the compo= und. Thus it is a stellation of the octahedron, and in fact, the only stell= ation thereof. The probability of natural existance of such a structure is = fully confirmed by many photos of vibrating fluids taken by Dr. Hans Jenny = in his Cymatics study of sound vibrations in liquids. In this self explanat= ory diagram, you can see how two standing wave spherical tetrahedrons combi= ne within the same 'shell', forming the double spherical tetrahedron struct= ure. The two tetrahedrons are no longer independent, and any clockwise move= ment of one tetrahedron must be accompanied by an anticlockwise movement of= its dual so that the stella octangula moves as a whole body.=20 In ancient times, this shape was given great importance, and was known as M= erKaBa. The Merkaba is a symbol from the sacred geometry and is the symbol = upon which the Star of David is based. The Merkaba has significance in diff= erent ancient cultures around the world. In the Bible=A2s book of Ezekiel, = it is referred to as the chariot of Gods and in Hebrew, Merkaba means chari= ot. Some refer to the Merkaba as the 'vehicles of vehicles', or the tool fo= r ascension. The ancient Egyptian (18th dynasty) meaning is even more inter= esting as it stands for MER=3D counter rotating fields of light in the same= space, KA=3Dspirit and BA=3Dsoul. How could ancient Egyptians know of 'cou= nter rotating fields of light'?=20 http://www.blazelab s.com/f-p- element.asp=20 =20 Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic=20 Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar=20 Give your mind a chance to THINK !=20 Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)=20 Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format = to Traditional=20 Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scribe@rs.org Thu Nov 01 18:08:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scribe@rs.org X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23364 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 01:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 01:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-smtp.internetmailserver.net) (64.79.170.124) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 01:08:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1305 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 01:08:29 -0000 X-Received: from user-142gqhu.cable.mindspring.com (HELO AMD64) (scribe@rs.org@[72.40.106.62]) (envelope-sender ) by mta02.internetmailserver.net with SMTP for ; 2 Nov 2007 01:08:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c81cec$eccf5750$6401a8c0@AMD64> To: Cc: "scribe" References: <622437.71185.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:08:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 64.79.170.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Scribe" Subject: Re: Theos-World Particles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243178575; y=b30qVYQUkwvVsOAlZlRuIrp8wFinWrUYO7YcqEew_KAOtA4S X-Yahoo-Profile: dfridgway X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42085 Cass, once again that 'someone' is HPB and far be it from me to be the one to explain it but I can direct you to her explanation in SD I, pp320-321. "The earliest forms of elementary geometry must have certainly been suggested by the observatrion of the heavenly bodies and their groupings. Hence the most archaic symbols in Eastern Esotericism are a circle, a point, a triangle, a plane, a cube, a pentagon, and a hexagon, and plane figures with various sides and angles. This shows the knowledge and use of geometrical symbology to be as old as the world... Every cosmology began with a circle, a point, a triangle, and a cube, up to number 9, when it was synthesized by the first line a circle--the Pythagorean mystic Decad, the sum of all, involving and expressing the mysteries of the entire Kosmos..." Regards, Scribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cass Silva" To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Theos-World Particles Is there anyone who can explain to me how a geometric shape can represent the process of creation. I have tried to get my head around platonic geometry for years but I think the link may be too abstract for me. Cheers Cass The Particle - The wrong turn that led physics to a dead end © Engineer Xavier Borg - Blaze Labs The search for the elementary particle As you see, the one-third electron charge keeps popping up from every experimental evidence we have. Weyl, Clifford, Einstein, and Schroedinger once speculated, "What we observe as material bodies and forces are nothing but shapes and variations in the structure of space." Our spherical tetrahedron model shown above is indeed based on this speculation and clearly indicates that the six quarks connecting up the protons & neutrons are equivalent to the six sides of the spherical tetrahedron. Protons and neutrons are just the point effects of their points of intersection, and these types of hadrons can therefore be defined as the intersection point of 3 standing wave planes. Remember that the six sides of this tetrahedron are in fact a picture of the fundamental standing wave nodes which appear on any 3D vibrating sphere. So, if the sides of our model are the 1 dimensional quarks (6 off), then, each vertex connecting a group of 3, will define a hadron (a group of 3 quarks). In the diagram you see the three blue elements are equivalent to down quarks and the 3 red ones to up quarks. By joining together these two frames, a three dimensional closed platonic structure consisting of two neutrons and two protons is formed, equivalent to the simplest & strongest stable nucleus of Helium, namely the Alpha particle. This model also clearly explains why neutrons and protons never collide within a nucleus, despite being so close. Once the platonic structure is completed, the protons and neutrons act as a single entity - the one we call nucleus. It also gives a new meaning to the strong nuclear bonds, since a tetrahedron is the most stable, and compact geometric 3D shape. At first, it might seem a little bit confusing that a 'solid' nucleus, is made up of a fixed 3D geometric shape of 2D planes and no 3D hard particles, but the fact that we can now explain a quark in terms of a 1 dimensional nodal string connection makes sense and reassures us that we really found the most fundamental elements - simple elements with no structure. The charge on each of these hadrons is simply the addition of the charges of the quarks, or sides making up the frame of the particular hadron. This spherical tetrahedron model has some interesting attributes not the least of which is the fact that spheres which resonate in phase are known to "attract" one another, while those with unlike phase angles will repel. We have established that atoms are EM vibrating spheres and this gives a new more clear meaning to the gravitational force between atoms. It is known that two spheres vibrating in phase attract. If all matter in the universe is a differential of the same 4D hyperspherical EM singularity, then it makes sense that all matter gets attracted to each other since all matter would be vibrating in phase. 3 Dimensional Platonics Polytopeverticesedgesfacesdualshadron pairs 1. Tetrahedron464self-dual2 2. Tetradual464Tetrahedron2 3. Octahedron6128cube- 4. Cube8126Octahedron4 5. Icosahedron123020dodecahedron- 6. Dodecahedron203012Icosahedron10 Look closely at the hadron pair coloumn: 2,2,4,10. If we start off with the tetrahedron, and add up shells with the next platonic, we will get the series: 2,2,2+2+4,2+ 2+4+10 = 2,2,8,18. We know that the number of electrons is equal to the number of protons, hence to the number of hadron pairs. Spectroscopy data gives the sequence 1s, 2s, 2p, 3s, 3p, 4s, 3d,... or 2,2,6,2,6,2, 10,6,2, which may also be grouped as 2,2,8,18, similar to the shell build up sequence of Tetra, tetra, cube and dodecahedron. So we have seen that a simple tetrahedron is the most accurate picture for a Helium nucleus, which has the strongest nuclear bond of all elements and is better known the alpha particle. The Alpha particle thus consists of 4 hadrons, two protons and two neutrons, with a total charge of +2. Protons and neutron are equivalent to the vertices of the standing wave shapes. We can also extend the same model to construct the Be4 nucleus, which has a total binding energy of twice that of 4He2. This is done by fitting another tetrahedron as shown below to obtain the 8Be4 nucleus, with its vertices common to a cube, representing its 4 protons and 4 neutrons. Note that these structures should not be considered as solid structures but as nodes on spinning spherical surfaces, with each edge element equivalent to a quark, and each vertex to a nucleon. At all times, tt should be kept in mind that these shapes are actually 3D standing EM waves, which can also share nodes. The 8Be4 nucleus platonic combination & equivalent spherical standing wave structure. Binding Energy for 4He : 28295.673 keV (Single tetrahedron) Binding Energy for 8Be : 56499.506 keV (Two compound tetras) Twice binding energy for 4He : 56591.346 keV The difference Be - 2*He = -91.84 keV is due to the energy interaction of the two similar tetrahedrons. Spin for both 4He & 8Be: Zero Half life for 8Be: 6.8 EV Mode of decay for 8Be: 2 Alpha Decay energy for 8Be: 0.092 MeV Even though very light, 8Be is a very stable metal. Its elasticity is larger than that of steel, its strength four times that of aluminum. The melting point at nearly 1600 K is very high. In the gas phase Beryllium is monoatomic. The above structure is the compound of two tetrahedra called the stella octangula, discovered by Kepler. The vertices define a cube and the intersection of the two an octahedron, which shares the same face-planes as the compound. Thus it is a stellation of the octahedron, and in fact, the only stellation thereof. The probability of natural existance of such a structure is fully confirmed by many photos of vibrating fluids taken by Dr. Hans Jenny in his Cymatics study of sound vibrations in liquids. In this self explanatory diagram, you can see how two standing wave spherical tetrahedrons combine within the same 'shell', forming the double spherical tetrahedron structure. The two tetrahedrons are no longer independent, and any clockwise movement of one tetrahedron must be accompanied by an anticlockwise movement of its dual so that the stella octangula moves as a whole body. In ancient times, this shape was given great importance, and was known as MerKaBa. The Merkaba is a symbol from the sacred geometry and is the symbol upon which the Star of David is based. The Merkaba has significance in different ancient cultures around the world. In the Bible˘s book of Ezekiel, it is referred to as the chariot of Gods and in Hebrew, Merkaba means chariot. Some refer to the Merkaba as the 'vehicles of vehicles', or the tool for ascension. The ancient Egyptian (18th dynasty) meaning is even more interesting as it stands for MER= counter rotating fields of light in the same space, KA=spirit and BA=soul. How could ancient Egyptians know of 'counter rotating fields of light'? http://www.blazelab s.com/f-p- element.asp Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Give your mind a chance to THINK ! Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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Groups Links From leonmaurer@aol.com Thu Nov 01 21:22:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42768 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 04:21:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 04:21:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 04:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c97.1c12b627 (52378); Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:21:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [75.74.159.64] (c-75-74-159-64.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [75.74.159.64]) by ciaaol-m03.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM038-cc9a472aa5d518d; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:21:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <000801c81c38$f1653ff0$0200a8c0@RobertPrescott> References: <01af01c81b69$bcee50b0$0200a8c0@RobertPrescott> <8FAA533E-82F3-4BA5-A1A7-4A1D4E8C31F1@aol.com> <006401c81b92$e25dc370$0200a8c0@RobertPrescott> <8D788B9E-47D8-4052-A0BA-9605D647C362@aol.com> <000801c81c38$f1653ff0$0200a8c0@RobertPrescott> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <71E50319-8B59-459A-B971-CE20A93E3B8F@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:21:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 75.74.159.64 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Leon Maurer Subject: Re: Re: Article: Sight, Sound Processed Together and Earlier than Previously Thought X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=VMIHegainsqCKV8dkZSdGrRKAEuV51XA0U0Ch6nB10CYiwpoKck X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42086 On Oct 31, 2007, at 10/31/0711:40 PM, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote: > LM: > I never denied that the sensory image information has to be=20=20 > processed through the visual brain chain, before it can be=20=20 > perceived as a quale by consciousness... And, either interpreted=20=20 > properly, or wrongly if the information is ambiguous or missing=20=20 > some essential components due to brain lesions or otherwise. But,=20=20 > I never implied that consciousness has any "magical form" or that=20=20 > it could not be fooled by so called "illusions" that are simply=20=20 > ambiguous or rivaling informational wave interference patterns,=20=20 > caused by the visual objects themselves -- independent of the=20=20 > neurology of the brain -- unless that neurology is faulty in the=20=20 > same sense of inductive interferences caused by damage to the=20=20 > shielding of an electrical conductor, or malfunctioning of a=20=20 > transistor, capacitor, inductor, or resistor in a television cable=20=20 > communication network system. > > But you have never proved that the perception itself is a function=20=20 > of any part of the brain's neurology or processing. Especially,=20=20 > since such information leading to perception would have to be=20=20 > ultimately transmitted as frequency modulations on radiant=20=20 > electromagnetic fields in order to be detected and experienced by=20=20 > consciousness (awareness, will, etc.)... And, since it's also=20=20 > obvious that such EM fields, at the lowest order physical level of=20=20 > the brain, would have to be resonant with analogous higher order=20=20 > fields that are closer in energy and frequency to the infinite spin=20=20 > momental force at the zero-point of consciousness.... Which I see=20=20 > as absolutely essential in order to explain the near infinite=20=20 > subtleties of images in the mind, real or imaginary, that=20=20 > consciousness is capable of perceiving, or memory, down to the=20=20 > archetypal level, is capable of storing for ages if not eons of time. > > RKS: > Where do you get this 'electromagnetic' component from? Why do you=20=20 > think EM fields are involved? The brain runs on electro-chemical=20=20 > inter-cell communication, not electromagnetic. There is a very=20=20 > small induced magnetic field along the axon but it plays no actual=20=20 > role in inter-cell communication. Nevertheless, all electro-chemical transformations between the=20=20 synapses have to be accompanied by electromagnetic fields -- with the=20=20 magnetic radiation component carrying the frequency modulated=20=20 information transformed at each electro-chemical juncture of inter-=20=20 and intracellular transmission along the path of frequency modulated=20=20 electric current flowing through the axons (most likely as Ca+ ions)=20=20 and transmitted across the synapses. These modulated EM field pulses discharged at each neural synaptic=20=20 junction must radiate outward, combine with the information from=20=20 adjacent neuron paths, and simultaneously, harmonically resonate with=20=20 and transform their information to their coadunate higher order=20=20 fractally involved coenergetic ZPE fields in the Planck vacuum=20=20 closest to the ultra-sensitive zero-point of perceptive=20=20 consciousness. It's obvious that the lowest frequency-energy order=20=20 of these fields would represent the short term "flash" information=20=20 perceived in the mind; with the next higher order being the=20=20 relatively short term working memory; the third being the long term=20=20 memory, and the fourth, the archetypal memory. Also, since these=20=20 fields would be of high inductive resonance sensitivity to magnetic=20=20 vibration, due to their proximity to the zero-point -- the induced=20=20 magnetic information fields in the neurons, at similarly close=20=20 proximity, would NOT have to be of any substantially measurable high=20=20 energy level. According to this view, based on the proven existence of the ZPE=20=20 fields, their higher order frequency-energy phases, and their=20=20 individual chains of harmonic fields of varying extension and=20=20 duration -- I can see no other way to explain the combination of the=20=20 different neuron processed elements into the coherent assembled image=20=20 matrix that we actually directly perceive as a spherical holographic=20=20 field in the mind -- than by the simultaneous "entanglement" of all=20=20 zero-points of perception located ubiquitously throughout the entire=20=20 brain-body. Therefore, all the pixels of the retina images are=20=20 directly perceived (as a simultaneous holographic gestalt) at the=20=20 zero-point in the center of the brain -- appearing as an actual=20=20 reflection of the spherical mind field surface surrounding that point. The only way that could occur, is if the ZP consciousness projects a=20=20 coherent ray of its spin-momental energy that holographically=20=20 reconstructs the interference patterns in the ZPE mind field and=20=20 reflects it back to the point of consciousness. This would also account for the instantaneous coordination of the=20=20 electrodynamic 3D holographic kinetic body image map, generated=20=20 within the fore-brain, with the visual image generated in the rear-=20 brain -- so as to enable precise placement of any part of the body=20=20 within the outer objective field. This is the only way I can imagine=20=20 how the frequency modulated holistic images in the mind, composed of=20=20 different elements processed at different locations in the brain, are=20=20 assembled and bonded with the body field and the world field in the=20=20 mind field -- with the brain serving solely as the intermediate=20=20 information transformer/processor/channeler between the senses, the=20=20 neuromuscular system, the mind-memory fields, and the zero-points of=20=20 entangled consciousness. Nature would have to be utterly stupid if the mechanisms and=20=20 integrated network systems of consciousness were any more complex=20=20 than that. Not to say that the physiology of the analog neurological=20=20 processes aren't complex in themselves, But, then, so is the=20=20 circuitry and electromagnetic processes of an analog or digital TV=20=20 camera, recording, transmission and receiver-monitor system. :-) In a nutshell... The above explanation of the processes and=20=20 mechanisms of consciousness are based on the proposition that; The=20=20 entire universe is, fundamentally, nothing more than lines of primal=20=20 =C2=B1G-force, of an electro-magnetic nature, emanated and radiated --=20=20 from the spin-momentum of a potentially conscious zero-point=20=20 "singularity" of Absolute Primal Space (as postulated by general=20=20 relativity)... That form spherical fields which fractally involve,=20=20 spiral vortically, in descending orders of frequency energy... With=20=20 the initial triune fields containing, as encoded interference=20=20 patterns on their overall circumference, all the holographic=20=20 structural and experiential information accumulated during previous=20=20 cycles of phenomenal cosmic existence. After the third fractal=20=20 iteration, these initial fields, at their lowest (fourth level)=20=20 frequency energy spectrum order after initial inflation, break=20=20 symmetry, and begin the formation of fundamental particles that=20=20 subsequently evolve into the cosmos and all sentient beings... Whose=20=20 continued evolution, ultimately ends up as self conscious human=20=20 beings. See > > Why do you think consciousness requires an electromagnetic field?=20=20=20 > Where is the evidence for that??? There is no objective evidence... Since the higher order coenergetic=20=20 (electrodynamic) sub quantum fields -- that are postulated to be the=20=20 ultimate "carriers" of the wave interference patterned information=20=20 capable of being detected and discriminated as vibrational pressures=20=20 or phonons by each conscious zero-point of absolute reference (which=20=20 I assume is a necessity by logical reasoning based on the=20=20 "singularity" origin of the cosmos as well as the origin and=20=20 energizing of all the fundamental particles) -- would have to be=20=20 located everywhere in the Planck vacuum. Therefore, they can be only=20=20 indirectly proven to exist (Casimir) as well as entangled (Aspect) --=20=20 but cannot be further observed, interactively, using the present=20=20 instruments of science. There are several mathematical theories, however, such as string,=20=20 axion, tachyon, micro-lepton, LQG, QFT, etc., that more or less prove=20=20 the existence of such higher order hyperspace fields and their=20=20 associated strings and micro-particles -- also, still yet to be=20=20 proved empirically or evidentially. In fact, however, there are=20=20 reports of research in Russia that may have empirically or=20=20 experimentally proven the existence of some of these exotic particles=20=20 and fields -- that seem to be consistent with Maxwell-Ampere-Faraday=20=20 equations that Einstein based his theory of General Relativity on.=20=20 (Another reason to assume that the universe is fundamentally=20=20 electrical in nature -- which must include the physical information=20=20 of consciousness.) So far, no brain research, examining the neural processes pertaining=20=20 to the transformation of sensory image information of a modulated=20=20 vibratory nature -- so as to be detectable and interpreted by pure=20=20 subjective consciousness -- has ever come up with an explanation (as=20=20 reasonably and thoroughly as outlined above) that answers all the=20=20 questions and solves all the hard problems of subjective=20=20 consciousness and its informational interconnections with mind,=20=20 memory, brain, body, senses, and the observed and creatively=20=20 manipulatable outer objective world. In fact NO scientific theory can prove that that the brain=20=20 "thinks" (and thus, is assumed to be conscious) nor is there any=20=20 evidence that the information of consciousness is NOT (physically or=20=20 chemically) electrodynamic in nature, and on the objective level, are=20=20 NOT either photonic or electronic -- which, on the higher order=20=20 hyperspace planes (ZPE fields in the Planck vacuum) are of an=20=20 analogous, inductively resonant phonon nature that can be detectable,=20=20 discriminatively, at maximum transmitted resolution, by zero-point=20=20 consciousness. Thus, the inner "light" we perceive in the mind,=20=20 would necessarily be of a higher order (axionic-tachyonic-=20 microleptonic) analog of the photonic light detected by the rods and=20=20 cones of the retinas. Best wishes, LeonMaurer > > Kind Regards > Robert Karl Stonjek >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Fri Nov 02 12:53:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48360 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 19:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2007 19:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 19:53:32 -0000 X-Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bcb.1885878b (37520) for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:53:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from [75.74.159.64] (c-75-74-159-64.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [75.74.159.64]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA085-9290472b802d230; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:53:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <000c01c81cec$eccf5750$6401a8c0@AMD64> References: <622437.71185.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000c01c81cec$eccf5750$6401a8c0@AMD64> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <950A4EB8-B116-478C-8136-4FE4454EE83F@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:53:15 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 75.74.159.64 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Leon Maurer Subject: Re: Theos-World Particles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=8_zVGVW28z0I57wAEnw89eFBQ_3x8xRsuPSyH5rqqJ1oKT5cxEM X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42087 Cass, I don't have the reference, but HPB mentioned the "Diamond Heart" when she explained the origin of the universe in the SD. The Tibetan Buddhists' highest initiated Lamas have a real diamond encapsulated in the exact center of their bronze Dorje scepter that represents the primal beginning. See: http://altreligion.about.com/library/bldefsdorje.htm Incidentally, I was a close friend of the person guarding the late Red Cap Panchan Lama's briefcase while he was in a hospital in New York. He showed me the Dorje -- which I handled and looked at very closely, but couldn't figure out how they put the half inch pyramid cut diamond inside the four barred bronze cage in the center (slightly different than the one shown in the above picture). Check out the below illustrations and note the spherical geometry combined with the pyramidal (diamond) geometry. http://members.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafield-spherical-col_3.jpg http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/UNIOMNIFORMexploded.gif http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Fract-Expansion-Cosmos.gif (In the fourth physical field, can you see the phantom cube inscribed in the sphere?) Also, all the five Platonic Solids as projections of the octahedron (pyramidal) geometry, can be similarly inscribed in the sphere. As Pythagorus and Plato said, "The universe geometrizes." This, more or less, proves it. Warm regards, Leon On Nov 1, 2007, at 11/1/079:08 PM, "Cass Silva" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:40 PM > Subject: Theos-World Particles > > > Is there anyone who can explain to me how a geometric shape can > represent > the process of creation. I have tried to get my head around platonic > geometry for years but I think the link may be too abstract for me. > > Cheers > Cass [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From AnandGholap@gmail.com Sat Nov 03 10:44:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60943 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2007 17:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2007 17:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2007 17:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2007 17:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2007 17:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2007 17:44:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:44:50 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 210.211.241.175 From: "Anand" Subject: Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=_QKt9G4HkgbzaMhGLVbJupgxGhYi_9nbpymm5VgwOiE1K3eshweknhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42088 Theo-talk list completed it's seven years a month back. In all these seven years lowest number of messages in a month were in October 2007. In this month, it received just 80 posts. What does this indicate ? Does this mean that interest in Theos-talk is reducing ? Does this mean members think time can be used in better way than talking at Theos-talk ? According to sources, Blavatsky-fundamentalists were partying at Beverly Hills. Anand From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 17:27:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97242 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 00:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 00:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.111) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 00:27:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23862 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2007 00:27:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HUID2hwVM1kwWH.QzhFk.6mFalbk6wuNCLLFIYdYF5r86Q3T5gqslvxLB2BYkau6.RP1KQXDNkPaAO7Hi7dwy7kHMNkOQjyHC1UveJBk.doY1TcJ9RFAfKGMh_kJ3A-- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:27:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:27:36 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <150721.23616.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=RaWGgbgZThxMlyWC1g6xw29_MEsBoSqZFtF6XarnQy_x9__S-g X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42089 I believe 2007 is a year of exposition and resolution and that many people are having to deal with personal issues. It has also been a year that governments and their leaders have been exposed and I guess many people need time to digest this information. I have also noticed a huge increase in the amounts of heart attacks and strokes, especially of younger people, although I too had one in June and my gall bladder removed in October. I am trying to figure out what my heart and pancreas are screaming at me to change! Cheers Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Anand To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 4:44:50 AM Subject: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills Theo-talk list completed it's seven years a month back. In all these seven years lowest number of messages in a month were in October 2007. In this month, it received just 80 posts. What does this indicate ? Does this mean that interest in Theos-talk is reducing ? Does this mean members think time can be used in better way than talking at Theos-talk ? According to sources, Blavatsky-fundament alists were partying at Beverly Hills. Anand __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 17:40:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95817 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 00:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 00:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.109) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 00:40:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21053 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2007 00:40:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kzgDaGAVM1mLDIqrC7WUEiwfucArefy8EoZqCNOSMGFgaBfoxbSRF6Q1E149xEx2pseFgl8Yis1x1ufurjSfECZvrYR6sk61v1doYKlgeADDeQ2uFos- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:40:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:40:26 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <909557.20231.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Particles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=2AVNaRZqcIHnAGtZp3pJv9ha6HrOSock6ecc69Phhi1i3sYvwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42090 Thanks Leon, I will do some research on the diamond heart. I would ask that you treat me as a five star geometrically impaired individual as I fail to associate how a cube can represent 'man'. I understand that it has four sides and that man has four lower bodies. I understand that a triangle represents our higher self or our three higher bodies? So does this mean that when we see a triangle on top of a cube, we are symbolically looking at a geometric explanation for man and his seven bodies? What then do all the other hedrons represent? Other non-physical life forms? Keep up the good work with the exposition of your ABC Theory, afterall, once its out there, it's there for all eternity! I try and keep up so that when I am in Devachan I will be able to work with what I take with me! Cheers Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Leon Maurer To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2007 6:53:15 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Particles Cass, I don't have the reference, but HPB mentioned the "Diamond Heart" when she explained the origin of the universe in the SD. The Tibetan Buddhists' highest initiated Lamas have a real diamond encapsulated in the exact center of their bronze Dorje scepter that represents the primal beginning. See: http://altreligion. about.com/ library/bldefsdo rje.htm Incidentally, I was a close friend of the person guarding the late Red Cap Panchan Lama's briefcase while he was in a hospital in New York. He showed me the Dorje -- which I handled and looked at very closely, but couldn't figure out how they put the half inch pyramid cut diamond inside the four barred bronze cage in the center (slightly different than the one shown in the above picture). Check out the below illustrations and note the spherical geometry combined with the pyramidal (diamond) geometry. http://members. aol.com/leonmaur er/Chakrafield- spherical- col_3.jpg http://users. aol.com/leonmaur er/UNIOMNIFORMex ploded.gif http://users. aol.com/leonmaur er/Fract- Expansion- Cosmos.gif (In the fourth physical field, can you see the phantom cube inscribed in the sphere?) Also, all the five Platonic Solids as projections of the octahedron (pyramidal) geometry, can be similarly inscribed in the sphere. As Pythagorus and Plato said, "The universe geometrizes. " This, more or less, proves it. Warm regards, Leon On Nov 1, 2007, at 11/1/079:08 PM, "Cass Silva" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:40 PM > Subject: Theos-World Particles > > > Is there anyone who can explain to me how a geometric shape can > represent > the process of creation. I have tried to get my head around platonic > geometry for years but I think the link may be too abstract for me. > > Cheers > Cass [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From AnandGholap@gmail.com Sat Nov 03 19:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18597 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 02:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 02:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 02:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2007 02:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2007 02:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2007 02:18:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:18:53 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <150721.23616.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 210.211.241.119 From: "Anand" Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=8OqVPVSXa6GLO7rBeGZb0i5gJV3Nh8uo5BgGRkmtF6a-hB0N6ndY9U4 X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42091 Dear Cass, World has tremendously changed between 2000 and 2007. Mobile phones became available to common people, computer and internet became available to common people. Suddenly infinite knowledge became available to common people. The way people work is changed. This all is changing thought patterns of people suddenly. For me, change has been pleasant.=20 Cheers. Anand --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > I believe 2007 is a year of exposition and resolution and that many people are having to deal with personal issues. It has also been a year that governments and their leaders have been exposed and I guess many people need time to digest this information. I have also noticed a huge increase in the amounts of heart attacks and strokes, especially of younger people, although I too had one in June and my gall bladder removed in October. I am trying to figure out what my heart and pancreas are screaming at me to change! >=20 > Cheers > Cass >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anand > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 4:44:50 AM > Subject: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills >=20 > Theo-talk list completed it's seven years a month back. In all these > seven years lowest number of messages in a month were in October 2007. > In this month, it received just 80 posts. What does this indicate ? > Does this mean that interest in Theos-talk is reducing ? Does this > mean members think time can be used in better way than talking at > Theos-talk ? According to sources, Blavatsky-fundament alists were > partying at Beverly Hills. > Anand >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 05:39:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21250 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 13:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 13:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 13:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2007 13:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2007 13:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2007 13:39:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:39:41 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.87.102.145 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Blavatsky-fundamentalists . at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=Pzv1xV74soiwlk6IezW6Kq4zfaXkExpIt4HOUMlJ5ejJCTNda-whLcpjZ8kIJTg X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42092 No on Mount Shasta Vr Gr Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" wrote: > > Theo-talk list completed it's seven years a month back. In all these > seven years lowest number of messages in a month were in October=20 2007. > In this month, it received just 80 posts. What does this indicate ? > Does this mean that interest in Theos-talk is reducing ? Does this > mean members think time can be used in better way than talking at > Theos-talk ? According to sources, Blavatsky-fundamentalists were > partying at Beverly Hills. > Anand > From Sven04@comhem.se Sun Nov 04 09:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Sven04@comhem.se X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44301 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 17:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 17:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net) (80.76.149.212) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 17:22:43 -0000 X-Received: from c83-253-206-120.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.206.120]:1639 helo=sveinn-fp1krz97.comhem.se) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IojBK-0007UI-6M for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:22:43 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:21:26 +0100 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: X-Authenticated: u13406688@ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net e0bf2b835155acbb46e9bcfb161c85d8 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IojBK-0007UI-6M. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1IojBK-0007UI-6M 4d43464d6266ef7f62e8f7b75c0674e8 X-Originating-IP: 80.76.149.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Sveinn Freyr Subject: From Old Diary Leaves - X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288703295; y=DWGK2ewypwG7tZJocDWi3RTi5cICm_NCLaN1FYZqRdKG X-Yahoo-Profile: ari343 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42093 List members - Few lines from Old Diary Leaves Vol I ~ S. F. ----------- ... Then, again, I had ocular proof that at least some of those who worked with us were living men, from having seen them in the flesh in India after having seen them in the astral body in America and Europe; from having touched and talked with them. Instead of telling me that they were spirits, they told me they were as much alive as myself, and that each of them had his own peculiarities and capabilities; in short, his complete individuality. They told me that what they had attained to, I should, one day, myself acquire; how soon, would depend entirely upon myself; and that I might anticipate nothing whatever from favour; but, like them, must gain every step, every inch of progress by my own exertions. One of the greatest of them, the Master of the two Masters about whom the public has heard a few facts and circulated much foul abuse, wrote me on June 22, 1875: "The time is come to let you know who I am. I am not a disembodied spirit, Brother, I am a living man; gifted with such powers by our Lodge as are in store for yourself some day. I cannot be with you otherwise than in spirit, for thousands of miles separate us at present. Be patient and of good cheer, untiring labourer of the sacred Brotherhood! Work on and toil too for yourself, for self-reliance is the most powerful factor of success. Help your needy brother and you shall be helped yourself in virtue of the never-failing and ever active Law of Compensation": - P. 236-237 From Drpsionic@aol.com Sun Nov 04 13:53:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33966 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 21:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 21:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 21:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc0.1cb404ee (52370) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:53:37 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-dd21 (webmail-dd21.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.21]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM018-cc92472e3f60143; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:53:36 -0400 References: <150721.23616.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:53:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <150721.23616.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 76.250.170.183 by webmail-dd21.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.21) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:53:36 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9ED4449868D20-174-AE3D@webmail-dd21.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.21 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=ZzeMWtAyl9_chRoA_C6YRS33E4hJWuGu1FFY4GrVjIrqOcMY4g X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42094 We really don't want to see our politicians naked.? They look bad enough with their clothes on! Other than that, I think the image of theosophical fundamentalists partying is hilarous.? I mean, how much pickle juice can they drink? Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 7:27 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills I believe 2007 is a year of exposition and resolution and that many people are having to deal with personal issues. It has also been a year that governments and their leaders have been exposed and I guess many people need time to digest this information. I have also noticed a huge increase in the amounts of heart attacks and strokes, especially of younger people, although I too had one in June and my gall bladder removed in October. I am trying to figure out what my heart and pancreas are screaming at me to change! Cheers Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Anand To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 4:44:50 AM Subject: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills Theo-talk list completed it's seven years a month back. In all these seven years lowest number of messages in a month were in October 2007. In this month, it received just 80 posts. What does this indicate ? Does this mean that interest in Theos-talk is reducing ? Does this mean members think time can be used in better way than talking at Theos-talk ? According to sources, Blavatsky-fundament alists were partying at Beverly Hills. Anand __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 14:48:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43765 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2007 22:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2007 22:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.111) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2007 22:48:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60956 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Nov 2007 22:48:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4eZPmCsVM1m5B6j3WFNPxJB0BKVIo31gyK_n7JSlO.PjMgeIJ8eqbkydyp.OD5xy2SQCIakJUDhzP3givcWCPPFgQI_CtiMrH3O1RjjK6v0TxvmgAZKVHJHw0r6oNrDYtQR7dNA0m7wdI_.NlEIpWkWy5w-- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:48:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:48:51 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <624264.60450.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=KnOElHGGNq7B824Yn7_P3AxY-tIoimwPFDBkFFUbLjary1VSbA X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42095 Dear Anand Wish I could say the same. More happiness to you. Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Anand To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 1:18:53 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills Dear Cass, World has tremendously changed between 2000 and 2007. Mobile phones became available to common people, computer and internet became available to common people. Suddenly infinite knowledge became available to common people. The way people work is changed. This all is changing thought patterns of people suddenly. For me, change has been pleasant. Cheers. Anand --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > I believe 2007 is a year of exposition and resolution and that many people are having to deal with personal issues. It has also been a year that governments and their leaders have been exposed and I guess many people need time to digest this information. I have also noticed a huge increase in the amounts of heart attacks and strokes, especially of younger people, although I too had one in June and my gall bladder removed in October. I am trying to figure out what my heart and pancreas are screaming at me to change! > > Cheers > Cass > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anand > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2007 4:44:50 AM > Subject: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundament alists partying at Beverly Hills > > Theo-talk list completed it's seven years a month back. In all these > seven years lowest number of messages in a month were in October 2007. > In this month, it received just 80 posts. What does this indicate ? > Does this mean that interest in Theos-talk is reducing ? Does this > mean members think time can be used in better way than talking at > Theos-talk ? According to sources, Blavatsky-fundament alists were > partying at Beverly Hills. > Anand > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail. yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 22:57:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76124 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 06:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 06:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 06:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 06:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 06:57:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:57:13 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 91.76.148.57 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Re: Off Topic- Ringing Cedars of Siberia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=-0xm9WC7pD7ypvqVoAKRab00dFR2R97NQkr5S4zmQL5ewq3f X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42096 Dear John and Anton! --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" =20 wrote: > In my surfing I came=20 > upon Vladimir Megre and his Books about the Siberian Shaman,=20 > Anastasia the Shaman's daughter, and the Ringing Cedars of Siberia.=20 > What do you have as your opinion if you have read his books. I didn't study it in depth, as it seemed to me a new-age movement like=20 those which are many in the west. But from my superficial study I could make the following conclusions. The story as a whole is a fake, but is based on some actual facts and=20 teachings. When aquainting with the teaching I noted that some points=20 make sense and some not (at least, I didn't like them). There is a=20 women in Russia who asserts that Megre has stolen the basic doctrine=20 from her and added many his own additions. Noteworthy these were very=20 those points which I dodn't like, so I have reasons to believe her.=20 >From those who had business with Megre there came reports that he is=20 just an able businessman, and not very honest one. One of our oldest theosophists who travelled very much over Siberia=20 said that the author never was in Siberian forests, as he describes=20 them inadequately. So we can consider him as a kind of Lobsang Rampa. Though the latter=20 never was in Tibet or contacted mahatmas, he has spread some of=20 theosophical teaching with his own changes and additions. > has created a worldwide Foundation and Network. We have Cedar=20 > Colony's in our forests also and for decades I have had Cedar wood=20 The planting of cedars was the positive effect of that teaching. I always wondered why we have on cedars near Moscow (climat seems to=20 prermit them). It occured that apparently no one planted them because=20 they give nuts after many years only and he will never enjoy them. As=20 now people are planting them from the religious considerations, not=20 for nuts only, we may hope for the nuts (in the lext lives of course). For our readers living in southern countries I have to explain that we=20 talk about not those cedars which grow near Midterranean and are=20 depicted on the flag of Lebanon but those of Siberia, which are more=20 scientifically called "cedar pines". Unlike the former, the latter=20 give nuts, very small but tasty. From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 23:42:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30165 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 07:42:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:42:54 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <622437.71185.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 91.76.148.57 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Re: Particles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=eWDSsvOY5fnyg4PHCFHH7nIltIevfV7RosdRFC_nRe9OwwbX X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42097 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > The Particle - The wrong turn that led physics to a dead end > =A9 Engineer Xavier Borg - Blaze Labs=20 > 3 Dimensional Platonics > So we have seen that a simple tetrahedron is the most accurate=20 picture for a Helium nucleus... There is an obvious parralel with "Occult chemistry" by Besant and=20 Leadbeater, but in conception only, not in particulars. From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 01:04:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55482 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 09:04:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 09:04:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 09:04:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 09:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 09:04:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:04:54 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Re: Karma & Reincarnation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=vsWr6hahKLp-uAcI_zWx8UgE7l2hxWFJnL4I88Kj4pQWIUO4Bl4b X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42098 In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M K Ramadoss" wrote: For some of us who believe in Karma, what are our responsibilities=20 and what we can do to minimize the pain and suffering? Friends, In my view the following article by G. de Purucker reveals the=20 essential problem of the world today and suggests good cure: http://www.teozofija.info/Theosophia/Theosophia_Vol25_No3.htm#WorldsTr ouble You can now find the complete series of "Theosophia" magazine, edited=20 by Boris de Zirkoff on: http://www.teozofija.info/Theosophia/Theosophia_index.htm Best regards, Anton From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 01:24:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73990 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 09:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 09:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 09:24:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 09:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 09:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 09:23:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:23:56 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Re: Off Topic- Ringing Cedars of Siberia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=HTAYuhSX9oYnlXxLPN3AqhBzWG04mNsI16e-51t72-nVjphB5VMd X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42099 In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin Zaitzev" =20 wrote: >The story as a whole is a fake, but is based on some actual facts and=20 teachings. ... There is a women in Russia who asserts that Megre has=20 stolen the basic doctrine from her and added many his own=20 additions. ... From those who had business with Megre there came=20 reports that he is just an able businessman, and not very honest one.< Dear Konstantin, I am sorry to hear that. It seems that I still want to strongly believe=20 in the sincerety of people. Is this naive or wise? Warmest regards, Anton From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 02:37:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43719 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 10:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 10:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 10:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 10:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 10:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 10:37:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:37:23 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 91.76.148.57 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Re: Off Topic- Ringing Cedars of Siberia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=-4e9ICFnjxn_cuRbQH_lDOCKAOSZxHOrS6fF3FbqAx0yfxWM X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42100 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" =20 wrote: > I am sorry to hear that. It seems that I still want to strongly=20 > believe in the sincerety of people. Is this naive or wise? It's rather wise than naive. For there is some truth in the teaching=20 on cedars, and those who join the movement sincerely, without any=20=20 selfish motives, according to the law of similarties, will be able to=20 get all the true element from the teaching and avoid the false element=20 and its bad consequences. In my opinion the problem of the people who suffer from false=20 teachings and from being mistreated by the false gurus is that they=20 had some hidden selfish motive. From r.dijkstra@quicknet.nl Mon Nov 05 02:37:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.dijkstra@quicknet.nl X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17676 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 10:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 10:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx102.multikabel.net) (212.127.254.140) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 10:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from vmx110.multikabel.net ([212.127.254.153]) by mx102.multikabel.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IozKe-0004wg-K9 for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:37:24 +0100 X-Received: from dijkr (213-73-144-70.cable.quicknet.nl [213.73.144.70]) by vmx110.multikabel.net (8.13.8/8.13.3) with SMTP id lA5AbD5d023180; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:37:21 +0100 To: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:36:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-MultiKabel-MailScanner-Information: Please go to http://www.multikabel.nl/contact/ for more information X-MultiKabel-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MultiKabel-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner-Information: Please go to http://www.multikabel.nl/contact/ for more information X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MultiKabel-MX-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: r.dijkstra@quicknet.nl X-Originating-IP: 212.127.254.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Renger Dijkstra" Subject: Acquistions 2007 september-october Theosophical Library Amsterdam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=53711327; y=QTuEvRUL-DGv-siemEJf7LyzrWSJiel9WedHUsqTiAydB5lQDR23TT3F X-Yahoo-Profile: renger_dijkstra Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42101 Aanwinsten september-oktober 2007 / Acquisitions september-october 2007 Nieuwe boeken en artikelen in de Theosofische Bibliotheek Amsterdam New books and articles in the Theosophical Library Amsterdam, The Netherlands Meer titels, more titles: http://www.theosofie.nl/bibliotheek/index.htm En zoek zelf in onze catalogus op: titel, auteur, trefwoord And search by yourself in our catalogue on: title, author, keyword Algeo, J. De schakel, de kern en de nieuwe wereld / John Algeo ; vert. [uit het Engels] A.M.I. In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 184-193. theosofie, schakels Wat zouden theosofische groeperingen moeten bestuderen? John Algeo ; vert. [uit het Engels] A.M.I.. - [Amsterdam] : Uitgeverij der Theosofische Vereniging in Nederland, 2007. - 7 p. ; 21 cm. sign.: THE-2-A-1-ALGE-3 Trefw.: theosofie, studiemateriaal, literatuur, vrijheid van denken, vrijheid van de vereniging, theosofische traditie Ashlag, R.Y. An entrance to the tree of life : a key to the portals of Jewish mysticism Rabbi Yehuda Ashlag ; compiled and edited by Philip S. Berg. - Old City Jerusalem ; New York : Research Centre of Kabbalah, 1977. - 205 p. ; 24 cm. - bibliography. sign.: ESO-7-1-ASHL-1 Trefw.: esoterie, kabbala, levensboom, joodse mystiek, religie, jodendom, Torah, sefirot Beesley, R.P. Of spiritual gifts by R.P. Beesley. - Speldhurst, Turnbridge Wells : A White Lodge Publication= , 1978. - 59 p. ; 21 cm. - (Galilee Series ; IV) sign.: ESO-16-2-BEES-15 Trefw.: esoterie, spiritualiteit, elementalen Bloch, C. Kabbalistische Sagen Chajim Bloch. - Leipzig : Im Verlag der Asia Major, 1925. - [8], 175 p. ; 17 cm. sign.: ESO-7-1-BLOC-1 Trefw.: esoterie, kabbala, sagen Burnier, R. De adept en de discipel / Radha Burnier ; vert. A.M.I. In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 179-183. theosofie, adepten, discipelen, leraren Cabo, J. Verenigingsnieuws: Vele wegen, =E9=E9n pad, Zomerschool TVN Naarden, 6 t/m = 8 juli 2007 / Jonah Cabo In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 213-216. theosofie, zomerschool, logewerk, literatuur Carpentier Alting, A.S. Overdenkingen op ma=E7onn.=B7. gebied : (overdrukken) door A.S. Carpentier Alting. - Semarang, Soerabaia, 's-Gravenhage : Van Dorp, [1907]. - II, 397 p. ; 24 cm. sign.: ESO-4-1-CARP-3 Trefw.: esoterie, vrijmetselarij, overdenkingen, beschouwingen, moraal, filosofie, broederschap, esoterische filosofie Dissel, J.E. van Les jeunes theosophes d'Europe : place et tache introduction J.E. van Dissel. - 's-Gravenhage : Les Jeunes Theosophes D'Europe, 1953. - 9, [1] p. ; 19 cm. sign.: THE-4-3-DISS-1 Trefw.: theosofie, geschiedenis, jonge theosofen, Europa Die jungen Theosophen in Europa : Erkl=E4rung und Arbeitsfeld Vorwort J.E. van Dissel. - 's-Gravenhage : Den Jungen Theosophen in Europa, 1953. - 9, [1] p. ; 19 cm. sign.: THE-4-3-DISS-2 Trefw.: theosofie, geschiedenis, jonge theosofen, Europa Godwin, J. The golden thread : the ageless wisdom of the western mystery traditions Joscelyn Godwin. - 1st Quest ed. - Wheaton, Chennai : Theosophical Publishing House, 2007. - xii, 200 p. ; 22 cm. - (Quest Books) - notes, index. ISBN 9780835608602 sign.: ESO-1-1-GODW-4 Trefw.: esoterie, gouden draad, oude wijsheid, theosofie, westerse mysterie tradities, theologie, hermetica, Orfische mysteri=EBn, Pythagoras, Plato, kunst, filosofie, alchemie, religie Halevi, Z'ev B.S. De school van de ziel : de weg met zijn valkuilen Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi ; uit het Engels vert. door Oscar Schrover. - Amsterdam : Amphora Books, 2007. - 349, [3] p. : ill. ; 23 cm. ISBN 9789064460487 sign.: ESO-7-1-HALE-14 Trefw.: esoterie, kabbala, levensboom, rituelen, in=EFtiatie, traditie, ler= en, meditatie, scholen, dood en geboorte, bestemming, innerlijke tempel, studie= , spiritualiteit Hariharananda Kriya yoga Paramahamsa Hariharananda ; [vert. uit het Engels en bew.: Claudia Cremers]. - 2e herz. uitg. - Den Haag : Kamala, 2003. - 227 p. : fig., portr. ; 25 cm. ISBN 9080798819 sign.: REL-11-8-HARI-2 Trefw.: religie, yoga, kriya yoga, meditatie Ierlant, F. van Boek & Periodiek : Annie Besant, Esoteric christianity / recensie FvL In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 208. theosofie, recensies, Esoteric Christianity, Annie Besant Wie was... N. Sri Ram / FvI In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 209-210. theosofie, N. Sri Ram Judge, W.Q. Leerspreuken over karma William Q. Judge. - Amsterdam, Leiden : Geunieerde Loge van Theosofen, 9XX. - [4] p. ; 22 cm. sign.: THE-1-8-JUDG-79 Trefw.: theosofie, leringen, karma Kimpen, G. De kabbalist : roman Geert Kimpen. - 3e dr. - Amsterdam : Uitgeverij de Arbeiderspers, 2006. - 348 p. ; 22 cm. - bibliografie. ISBN 9029563613 sign.: RAN-1-4-KIMP-1 Trefw.: romans, kabbala, Egypte, 16e eeuw Kumar, R. Annie Besant : founder of home rule movement editors Raj Kumar, Rameshwari Devi, Romila Pruthi. - Jaipur, India : Pointe= r Publishers, 2003. - vi, 209 p. ; 23 cm. - appendix, index. ISBN 8171323219 sign.: THE-4-6-KUMA-2 Trefw.: theosofie, biografie=EBn, Annie Besant, politiek, India, Home rule movement Lindsay, P. The hidden history of humanity : esoteric evolution of planetary life : Par= t I: Stanzas of Dzyan: Cosmogenesis & Anthropogenesis ; Part II: Planetary schemes, chains, globes, rounds & rootraces ; Part III: Esoteric interpretation of Genesis: rounds & rootraces Phillip Lindsay. - Kearney, NE : Morris Publishing ; Apollo Publishing, 2006. - 423 p. : ill. ; 28 cm. - index. ISBN 9781876849061 sign.: THE-2-L-1-LIND-2 Trefw.: theosofie, mensheid, evolutie, esoterische interpretaties, Stanza's of Dzyan, astrologie, schakels, bollen, ronden, wortelrassen, Genesis, esoterische astrologie Soul cycles of the seven rays : esoteric astrology & initiation Phillip Lindsay. - Kearney, NE : Morris Publishing ; Apollo Publishing, 2006. - 351 p. : ill. ; 28 cm. - glossary, index. ISBN 9781876849030 sign.: RAN-7-4-LIND-1 Trefw.: astrologie, esoterische astrologie, cyclussen, theosofie, inwijdingen, occultisme, esoterie, zodiac Meyer, R. Der Auferstandene und die Erdenzukunft Rudolf Meyer. - Stuttgart : Verlag Urachhaus, 1938. - 267, [4] p. ; 19 cm. sign.: REL-6-9-MEYE-1 Trefw.: religie, christendom, esoterisch christendom, theosofie, antroposofie, wederopstanding, toekomstverwachtingen Monteith, K. Yeats and theosophy Ken Monteith. - New York, London : Routledge, 2008. - vii, 244 p. ; 24 cm. - (Studies in Major Literary Authors) - notes, bibliography, index. ISBN 9780415955546 sign.: RAN-1-1-MONT-1 Trefw.: literatuur, W.B. Yeats, theosofie, filosofie, esoterie, occultisme, H.P. Blavatsky, Isis Ontsluierd, De Geheime Leer, Jacob Bohme, A.P. Sinnett Pullen, R.A. Zelf-wording en het klonen van mens, dier en plant door Robert A. Pullen. - Arjuna - extra - april 1997. - Breda : Stichting "De Phoenix", 1997. - 13, [3] p. ; 15 cm. sign.: RAN-2-2-PULL-1 Trefw.: wetenschap, klonen, Dolly, theosofie, zelfwording, leven, Swabhava, mensen, dieren, planten Ram, N.S. Ons werk in de Theosofische Vereniging (wordt vervolgd) / N. Sri Ram ; vert= . [uit het Engels] A.M.I. In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 204-207. theosofie, praktische theosofie, Theosofische Vereniging Residence Residence at Adyar preface N. Sri Ram. - Adyar : The Theosophical Society, [1967]. - v, 17 p. ; 16 cm. sign.: THE-4-3-RESI-1 Trefw.: theosofie, geschiedenis, Adyar, Theosophical Headquarters Rijneker, E. Verenigingsnieuws: Retreat "Foundations of Wisdom" / ER In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 211-212. theosofie, dagelijks leven Sala, L. Verenigingsnieuws: Juli 2007, congres EFTS in Helsinki: Finland, land van d= e lange schaduwen / Luc Sala In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 216-217. theosofie, congresverslagen, Helsinki, 100-jarig bestaan, Finland Schaik, J. van Waarom Jezus niet getrouwd was met Maria Magdalena : een korte geschiedenis van het esoterisch christendom John van Schaik. - Zeist : Christofoor, 2006. - 140 p. ; 22 cm. - aantekeningen, beknopte literatuurlijst. ISBN 9062388108 sign.: REL-6-9-SCHA-1 Trefw.: religie, christendom, esoterisch christendom, Jezus, Maria Magdalena, oudheid, mystiek, middeleeuwen, gnosticisme, antroposofie, theosofie Sharp, L.L. Secular spirituality : reincarnation and spiritism in nineteenth-century France Lynn L. Sharp. - Lanham, Boulder, New York, Toronto, Plymouth : Lexington Books ; Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2006. - xxiii, 245 p. ; 23 cm. - bibliography, index. ISBN 9780739113394 sign.: RAN-6-1-SHAR-1 Trefw.: spiritisme, geschiedenis, Frankrijk, re=EFncarnatie, theosofie, H.P= . Blavatsky, occultisme, secularisatie Theosofische De Theosofische Vereniging... [Amsterdam] : [Theosofische Vereniging in Nederland], 19XX. - 5 p. ; 21 cm= . sign.: THE-4-3-THEO-17 Trefw.: theosofie, geschiedenis, Theosofische Vereniging, doeleinden, vrijheid van gedachte, broederschap Theosophical Theosophical encyclopedia general editor Philip S. Harris ; associate editors Vicente R. Hao Chin Jr.= , Richard W. Brooks. - Quezon City, Philippines : Theosophical Publishing House, 2006. - vi, 729 p. : ill. ; 29 cm. - index. ISBN 9716160100 sign.: THE-2-T-1-THEO-24 Trefw.: theosofie, naslagwerken, encyclopedie=EBn, vergelijkende godsdienstwetenschappen, religie, mystiek, spiritualiteit, wetenschap, mythologie, symboliek, oudheid, Egypte, geschiedenis, Theosofische Vereniging, H.P. Blavatsky, spiritisme, parapsychologie, onderzoek The Theosophical Society in Europe, Federation of National Societies : one hundred years 1903-2003 : strengthening the link ; july 2003 International Theosophical Centre, Naarden, The Netherlands foreword Tr=E2n-Thi-Kim-Di=EAu. - Paris : =C9ditions Adyar, 2003. - 113 p.= : ill. ; 20 cm. ISBN 9782850002601 sign.: THE-4-2-THEO-2003 Trefw.: theosofie, congresverslagen, geschiedenis, Theosofische Vereniging, ketens The Theosophical Society in Europe, Federation of National Societies, European congress : ethics : bridging freedom and responsibility : septembe= r 2004, Porto, Portugal foreword Tr=E2n-Thi-Kim-Di=EAu. - Paris : =C9ditions Adyar, 2004. - 100 p.= ; 20 cm. ISBN 9782850002618 sign.: THE-4-2-THEO-2004 Trefw.: theosofie, congresverslagen, geschiedenis, Theosofische Vereniging, Europese Federatie, ethiek Vedro, S. Digital dharma : a user's guide to expanding consciousness in the infospher= e Steven Vedro. - 1st Quest ed. - Wheaton, Chennai : Theosophical Publishing House, 2007. - xii, 223 p. : ill. ; 23 cm. - (Quest Books) - notes, selected bibliography, index. ISBN 9780835608596 sign.: RAN-2-2-VEDR-1 Trefw.: wetenschap, dharma, bewustzijn, internet, moraal, ethiek, cyberspace, zelfkennis, theosofie, psychologie, new age, technologische ontwikkelingen, chakra's Verenigingsnieuws Verenigingsnieuws : 13-20 oktober 2007 : Europese School In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (augustus), p. 171. theosofie, Europese School Zwollo, P. Het opofferen van het zelf / Paul Zwollo ; vert. [uit het Engels] EKB In: Theosofia =3D Theosophia : orgaan van de Nederlandsche Theosophische Vereeniging: vol. 108 (2007), (oktober), p. 194-198. theosofie, opofferen, zelf Aan alle leden van deze mailinglist, Hier een lijst van nieuwe boeken en artikelen uit de catalogus van de Theosofische Bibliotheek te Amsterdam. In deze lijst staan ook een aantal oudere uitgaven, die verkregen zijn via legaten en schenkingen, maar waardevol en interessant genoeg zijn om aan onze collectie te worden toegevoegd. Na elke titelbeschrijving kunt u een paar trefwoorden vinden. D= e titels zijn gesorteerd op auteur en zijn bijna allemaal uitleenbaar. Ook kunt u deze boeken aanvragen via Inter Bibliothecair Leenverkeer (IBL), bij uw dichtsbijzijnde openbare bibliotheek. Om je lidmaatschap van deze mailinglist op te zeggen, of om e-mail adressen toe te voegen e-mail naar: bibliotheek@theosofie.nl Ons adres: Tolstraat 154, 1074 VM, Amsterdam, Tel.: 020-6765672, Internet: www.theosofie.nl To all members of this mailinglist, Here a list of new books and articles from the catalogue of the Theosophica= l Library in Amsterdam (The Netherlands). In this list are also some older publications, obtained by legacies or donations, but valuable and interesting enough to add to our collection. After each description you can find some keywords (in Dutch). The titles are sorted by author and are almost all on loan. Also you can borrow these books by Inter Bibliothecair Leenverkeer (IBL), at your own public library nearby. To unsubscribe your membership of this mailinglist or to add e-mail addresses respons to: bibliotheek@theosofie.nl Our address: Tolstraat 154, 1074 VM, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, Phone: 020-6765672, Internet: www.theosofie.nl Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards Renger Dijkstra, bibliothecaris / librarian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scribe@rs.org Mon Nov 05 05:15:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scribe@rs.org X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82001 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 13:15:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 13:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smg01.internetmailserver.net) (216.32.60.10) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 13:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from sm03.dotnetplayground.com [192.168.120.23] by smg01.internetmailserver.net with SMTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:15:13 -0800 X-Received: from user-142gqhu.cable.mindspring.com [72.40.106.62] by sm03.internetmailserver.net with SMTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:14:56 -0800 Message-ID: <002001c81fad$e9d82900$6401a8c0@AMD64> To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:15:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 216.32.60.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Scribe" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Karma & Reincarnation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243178575; y=8OL_jhVHRAp3YLsfzIdQSBTl4UO32BKxB-71-6Jn5Zk8fpJP X-Yahoo-Profile: dfridgway Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42102 Anton, Thank you very very much for those links, they are priceless and have made a great impression on me. I will try to live up to them. Scribe ----- Original Message ----- From: Anton Rozman To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:04 AM Subject: Theos-World Re: Karma & Reincarnation In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M K Ramadoss" wrote: For some of us who believe in Karma, what are our responsibilities and what we can do to minimize the pain and suffering? Friends, In my view the following article by G. de Purucker reveals the essential problem of the world today and suggests good cure: http://www.teozofija.info/Theosophia/Theosophia_Vol25_No3.htm#WorldsTr ouble You can now find the complete series of "Theosophia" magazine, edited by Boris de Zirkoff on: http://www.teozofija.info/Theosophia/Theosophia_index.htm Best regards, Anton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From AnandGholap@gmail.com Mon Nov 05 05:39:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39802 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 13:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 13:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 13:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 13:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 13:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 13:39:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:39:54 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C9ED4449868D20-174-AE3D@webmail-dd21.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 210.211.241.42 From: "Anand" Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=237603923; y=SKLFaSWce-PfWhXfMn_ca3WjnRSYjRWZRmyUOpcmIrA91Upc2K3A2l8 X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42103 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote: > >=20 > We really don't want to see our politicians naked.? They look bad enough with their clothes on! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Other than that, I think the image of theosophical fundamentalists partying is hilarous.? I mean, how much pickle juice can they drink? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Chuck the Heretic You know their continuous engagement in fighting. So some might raise doubt if they can party together for long time. Some expect that party will end up in fighting as usual. I am eagerly watching the results. What do you think ? Anand From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 05:40:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23799 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 13:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 13:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 13:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 13:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 13:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2007 13:40:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:40:02 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001c81fad$e9d82900$6401a8c0@AMD64> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Theos-World Re: Karma & Reincarnation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=HrwZQOu-XxAVTScKKmCOvlvxqhIF9rqupEHmYvqrwjlm2vjkvyED X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42104 Scribe, Your words already pay off the work put in preparation. All the best, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Scribe" wrote: > > Anton, > Thank you very very much for those links, they are priceless and have=20 made a great impression on me. I will try to live up to them. > Scribe From Drpsionic@aol.com Mon Nov 05 08:09:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53931 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 16:09:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 16:09:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 16:09:28 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cff.1bba35d5 (60464) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:09:10 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-M34 (fwm-m34.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.236]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM011-ec30472f40262f3; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:09:10 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:09:10 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 76.250.170.183 by FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.236) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:09:10 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EDDD56066F1C-F38-96C@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.236 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=qwko3SACKmdPy-UYAtwNpwtx2ijsKNBCVrncTxZ7MQRSAZx4-g X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42105 I'm still wondering how they can live on prunes and pickle juice. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Anand To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 7:39 am Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote: > > > We really don't want to see our politicians naked.? They look bad enough with their clothes on! > > > > Other than that, I think the image of theosophical fundamentalists partying is hilarous.? I mean, how much pickle juice can they drink? > > > > Chuck the Heretic You know their continuous engagement in fighting. So some might raise doubt if they can party together for long time. Some expect that party will end up in fighting as usual. I am eagerly watching the results. What do you think ? Anand ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Mon Nov 05 10:49:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47724 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 18:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 18:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc16.comcast.net) (206.18.177.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 18:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from amailcenter13.comcast.net ([204.127.225.113]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20071105184954b16006srpve>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:49:54 +0000 X-Received: from [76.114.1.125] by amailcenter13.comcast.net; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:49:54 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:49:54 +0000 Message-Id: <110520071849.18683.472F65D1000D1763000048FB2214756402CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.18.177.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Karma & Reincarnation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=0IELVmauuZgpAyK_cfo21N1a5j-VyqhRQEB0jRqP3EhEB4qa2MFYmxcs_H5C8aIT X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42106 Anton, Thank you for your efforts, many will benefit and enjoyTheosophia for years to come. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Anton Rozman" In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M K Ramadoss" wrote: For some of us who believe in Karma, what are our responsibilities and what we can do to minimize the pain and suffering? Friends, In my view the following article by G. de Purucker reveals the essential problem of the world today and suggests good cure: http://www.teozofija.info/Theosophia/Theosophia_Vol25_No3.htm#WorldsTr ouble You can now find the complete series of "Theosophia" magazine, edited by Boris de Zirkoff on: http://www.teozofija.info/Theosophia/Theosophia_index.htm Best regards, Anton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Augoeides-222@comcast.net Mon Nov 05 10:53:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Augoeides-222@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77673 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 18:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 18:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc11.comcast.net) (206.18.177.51) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 18:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from amailcenter13.comcast.net ([204.127.225.113]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20071105184800b11002ot3je>; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:48:00 +0000 X-Received: from [76.114.1.125] by amailcenter13.comcast.net; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:48:00 +0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:48:00 +0000 Message-Id: <110520071848.12447.472F655F000E48AB0000309F2214756402CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: QXVnb2VpZGVzLTIyMkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.18.177.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Off Topic- Ringing Cedars of Siberia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=314500470; y=bm4QMxFWMsoVfuVF-G7WmGL5ZA8gzTVtUyroRivhn2qRRrstCJ7Qa3JD5puXygtM X-Yahoo-Profile: sessesgenbarpharanges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42107 Konstantin, Hi, thanks for your reply and comments they are appreciated as always. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Dear John and Anton! --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" wrote: > In my surfing I came > upon Vladimir Megre and his Books about the Siberian Shaman, > Anastasia the Shaman's daughter, and the Ringing Cedars of Siberia. > What do you have as your opinion if you have read his books. I didn't study it in depth, as it seemed to me a new-age movement like those which are many in the west. But from my superficial study I could make the following conclusions. The story as a whole is a fake, but is based on some actual facts and teachings. When aquainting with the teaching I noted that some points make sense and some not (at least, I didn't like them). There is a women in Russia who asserts that Megre has stolen the basic doctrine from her and added many his own additions. Noteworthy these were very those points which I dodn't like, so I have reasons to believe her. >From those who had business with Megre there came reports that he is just an able businessman, and not very honest one. One of our oldest theosophists who travelled very much over Siberia said that the author never was in Siberian forests, as he describes them inadequately. So we can consider him as a kind of Lobsang Rampa. Though the latter never was in Tibet or contacted mahatmas, he has spread some of theosophical teaching with his own changes and additions. > has created a worldwide Foundation and Network. We have Cedar > Colony's in our forests also and for decades I have had Cedar wood The planting of cedars was the positive effect of that teaching. I always wondered why we have on cedars near Moscow (climat seems to prermit them). It occured that apparently no one planted them because they give nuts after many years only and he will never enjoy them. As now people are planting them from the religious considerations, not for nuts only, we may hope for the nuts (in the lext lives of course). For our readers living in southern countries I have to explain that we talk about not those cedars which grow near Midterranean and are depicted on the flag of Lebanon but those of Siberia, which are more scientifically called "cedar pines". Unlike the former, the latter give nuts, very small but tasty. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 15:39:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13702 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 23:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 23:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.110) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 23:39:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38860 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 23:39:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ualO2_EVM1kamIl71ArO3NTI1yWa9fDx2EACT8Py.f1l8TJkgxvSMo8qzff2H141Wc5esf7SqQn_ZzovoFx4z0nJMII76Qa0gFEbvPz5HtrXqSIiQyQ- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:39:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:39:00 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <953597.38076.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Particles Konstantin and Leon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=a6fgRbCqDnv_CyXb548pT5nQKgka_PLIDORfzEOaFQsngupB9A X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42108 Hi Konstantin This is just getting more and more confusing to me. I thought I was beginning to grasp it after reading Gardners, Web of the Un= iverse in that our physical body is represented by a cube, our emotional bo= dy by a iscosahedron, and our mental body by a octahedron. >From what you are saying these geometrial figures are composed of chemicals= , e.g. Helium is related to Tetrahedron.=20=20 Does this mean that our four lower bodies are made up chemically and identi= cally to what chemicals are required in the formation of a cube? Surely th= is can't be right, if I construct a cube in the physical from different mat= erial, e.g.wood, iron,steel the chemicals would vary.=20=20 Cheers Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Konstantin Zaitzev To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 6:42:54 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: Particles --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > The Particle - The wrong turn that led physics to a dead end > =A9 Engineer Xavier Borg - Blaze Labs=20 > 3 Dimensional Platonics > So we have seen that a simple tetrahedron is the most accurate=20 picture for a Helium nucleus... There is an obvious parralel with "Occult chemistry" by Besant and=20 Leadbeater, but in conception only, not in particulars. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 15:39:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70162 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2007 23:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2007 23:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.112) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2007 23:39:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60548 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 23:39:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oEFI7ucVM1kyfCOc2HJB4TOsjlms1lwkbiu3R83.5qYV1dp0Md8ruHEGahrzc5RdT2wejO7SZUtD4QUj2OQuF8NHA7kLHkLy9k44 X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:39:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:39:50 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <897886.59856.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Karma & Reincarnation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=-1vsbMOAVlesnglWStEMuE9CIfgAmKiEbCtHN0LMlLWJiRwTTg X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42109 Learn from it Anton, and vow never to repeat the same mistake. Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: Anton Rozman To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 8:04:54 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: Karma & Reincarnation In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "M K Ramadoss" wrote: For some of us who believe in Karma, what are our responsibilities and what we can do to minimize the pain and suffering? Friends, In my view the following article by G. de Purucker reveals the essential problem of the world today and suggests good cure: http://www.teozofij a.info/Theosophi a/Theosophia_ Vol25_No3. htm#WorldsTr ouble You can now find the complete series of "Theosophia" magazine, edited by Boris de Zirkoff on: http://www.teozofij a.info/Theosophi a/Theosophia_ index.htm Best regards, Anton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 18:36:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27115 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 02:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 02:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.105) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 02:36:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56441 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2007 02:36:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1UHXevQVM1l4cwAHvr5AsEOQDOo635KbfSyrcQU78ExKpctRjK937N.cxY7QlLGHNugf7bTnS2acsZwb1SuycvZoSz_T1qT6Zmz4UXxcJeTwIQyPpK2DDOjRw0UiSawrvB52slYeo0J.UgvDz_6rRUVn65Zph1HLXmieWdmSV0up1UTvKItGsiloJN1pzuNy66wgCQ-- X-Received: from [211.28.52.197] by web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:36:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:36:54 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <936687.56318.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=ojptFpi7DhCzj_zHEYftU_yoXnUBpq_7pA28ArzToFa_f7kZOA X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42110 Not far from the loo! Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: "Drpsionic@aol.com" To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 3:09:10 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills I'm still wondering how they can live on prunes and pickle juice. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocitie s.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Anand To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 7:39 am Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundament alists partying at Beverly Hills --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Drpsionic@.. . wrote: > > > We really don't want to see our politicians naked.? They look bad enough with their clothes on! > > > > Other than that, I think the image of theosophical fundamentalists partying is hilarous.? I mean, how much pickle juice can they drink? > > > > Chuck the Heretic You know their continuous engagement in fighting. So some might raise doubt if they can party together for long time. Some expect that party will end up in fighting as usual. I am eagerly watching the results. What do you think ? Anand ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail. aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Mon Nov 05 18:48:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47300 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 02:48:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 02:48:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 02:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c64.20205e83 (60469) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:47:51 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D44 (fwm-d44.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.20]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM022-ec35472fd5d638f; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:47:50 -0500 References: <936687.56318.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:47:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <936687.56318.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 76.228.192.40 by FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:47:50 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EE368E804AC4-C68-1F3F@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.20 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=VDJdZYySWhylyLYgsnZa97GPDmJbsFoU9Uhi9NzdLR8F7yUirQ X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42111 As fundamentalists tend to be lunatics, that is highly appropriate. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 8:36 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills Not far from the loo! Cass ----- Original Message ---- From: "Drpsionic@aol.com" To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 3:09:10 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundamentalists partying at Beverly Hills I'm still wondering how they can live on prunes and pickle juice. Chuck the Heretic http://www.geocitie s.com/c_cosimano -----Original Message----- From: Anand To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 7:39 am Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky-fundament alists partying at Beverly Hills --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Drpsionic@.. . wrote: > > > We really don't want to see our politicians naked.? They look bad enough with their clothes on! > > > > Other than that, I think the image of theosophical fundamentalists partying is hilarous.? I mean, how much pickle juice can they drink? > > > > Chuck the Heretic You know their continuous engagement in fighting. So some might raise doubt if they can party together for long time. Some expect that party will end up in fighting as usual. I am eagerly watching the results. What do you think ? Anand ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail. aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kay_ziatz@yahoo.com Tue Nov 06 01:16:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kay_ziatz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62389 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 09:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 09:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 09:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2007 09:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2007 09:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2007 09:16:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:16:04 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <953597.38076.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.149.244.165 From: "Konstantin Zaitzev" Subject: Theos-World Re: Particles Konstantin and Leon X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211651205; y=F6SKzUBMtOjLH5mxSkt8X8SB5wx7w5BURZ3czx_6V8uoQsos X-Yahoo-Profile: kay_ziatz X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42112 Dear Cass, --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > that our physical body is represented by a cube, our > emotional body by a iscosahedron, and our mental body by > a octahedron. Really this idea is new to me, so I didn't relate bodies with the=20 elements. > From what you are saying these geometrial figures are composed > of chemicals, e.g. Helium is related to Tetrahedron. I (and the author) meant the reverse, i.e. that the elements are based=20 on platonic solids. There are 7 types of matter, i.e. subplanes (and planes also), it's=20 the "vertical" division, but there are also 7 types of matter within=20 any supblane, lets call it "horisontal". Suppose 7 binary digits, from 001 to 111. Three columns mean tamas,=20 rajas & sattwa. So 001 is pure sattva, 110 - rajas & tamas, and in 111=20 all three gunas are balanced. Thus we have 7 qualities of matter in=20 one plane or subplane. It would be provoking to correlate these types=20 with groups of the periodic table. The problem is that there are 8,=20 not 7 groups. But there is also 000, unmanifested, and there are inert=20 gases in 8th group, which are reluctant to take part in chemical=20 compounds. But probably vertical and horisontal divisions are equally akin to=20 platonic solids, and then corelation of bodies with them can make some=20 semse. But even if so, this would not be a full equality but just an=20 analogy. From raquel_rpj@yahoo.es Tue Nov 06 10:05:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: raquel_rpj@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21086 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 18:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 18:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web26505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.42) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 18:05:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68361 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2007 18:05:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XYUDycgVM1lqACY32uf3243niV_IzJ8Hd1dyW.tXjc7xdu6.6gPfDEFWA2Ki_cGaTMjVQJFLSrtVm1YpMOXDYAlNeOx4YnlMnZmMcMWbsRu56HRz X-Received: from [77.210.134.17] by web26505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:05:49 CET Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:05:49 +0100 (CET) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <622437.71185.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <454984.68183.qm@web26505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Raquel=20Rodr=EDguez?= Subject: RE: Theos-World Particles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=319886574; y=jVcYQYz06pGOBWMNvb5m7xK8L4AQhSYMkEwWdF7TFnIsrGv76g X-Yahoo-Profile: raquel_rpj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 42113 Hallo Cass I=B4m sorry it takes me so long to answer this question, but I have not l= ook in to my computer for a week. I might not be the right person to explain, and I do not have the referen= ce book with me right now, but you will have great pleasure in the explanat= ions of Gordon Plummer on his The Mathematics of the Cosmic Mind you can re= ad it on line at http://web.archive.org/web/20030603204009/http://www.wisdomtraditions.com= /geometry/cm_p1_1_toc.html =20=20=20 There, is beautifully explained the full meaning of Platonist geometry as= an extension of the hints given by Blavatsky on the Secret Doctrine regard= ing the point within the circle and its development through manvantara, all= in connection with the Golden Section. =20=20=20 I hope this helps =20=20=20 Warm regards =20=20=20 Raquel Cass Silva escribi=F3: Is there anyone who can explain to me how a geometric shape can represent= the process of creation. I have tried to get my head around platonic geome= try for years but I think the link may be too abstract for me. Cheers Cass The Particle - The wrong turn that led physics to a dead end =A9 Engineer Xavier Borg - Blaze Labs=20 The search for the elementary particle=20 As you see, the one-third electron charge keeps popping up from every exper= imental evidence we have. Weyl, Clifford, Einstein, and Schroedinger once s= peculated, "What we observe as material bodies and forces are nothing but s= hapes and variations in the structure of space." Our spherical tetrahedron = model shown above is indeed based on this speculation and clearly indicates= that the six quarks connecting up the protons & neutrons are equivalent to= the six sides of the spherical tetrahedron. Protons and neutrons are just = the point effects of their points of intersection, and these types of hadro= ns can therefore be defined as the intersection point of 3 standing wave pl= anes.=20 Remember that the six sides of this tetrahedron are in fact a picture of th= e fundamental standing wave nodes which appear on any 3D vibrating sphere. = So, if the sides of our model are the 1 dimensional quarks (6 off), then, e= ach vertex connecting a group of 3, will define a hadron (a group of 3 quar= ks). In the diagram you see the three blue elements are equivalent to down = quarks and the 3 red ones to up quarks. By joining together these two frame= s, a three dimensional closed platonic structure consisting of two neutrons= and two protons is formed, equivalent to the simplest & strongest stable n= ucleus of Helium, namely the Alpha particle. This model also clearly explai= ns why neutrons and protons never collide within a nucleus, despite being s= o close. Once the platonic structure is completed, the protons and neutrons= act as a single entity - the one we call nucleus. It also gives a new mean= ing to the strong nuclear bonds, since a tetrahedron is the most stable, and compact geometric 3D shape.=20 At first, it might seem a little bit confusing that a 'solid' nucleus, is m= ade up of a fixed 3D geometric shape of 2D planes and no 3D hard particles,= but the fact that we can now explain a quark in terms of a 1 dimensional n= odal string connection makes sense and reassures us that we really found th= e most fundamental elements - simple elements with no structure. The charge= on each of these hadrons is simply the addition of the charges of the quar= ks, or sides making up the frame of the particular hadron. This spherical t= etrahedron model has some interesting attributes not the least of which is = the fact that spheres which resonate in phase are known to "attract" one an= other, while those with unlike phase angles will repel. We have established= that atoms are EM vibrating spheres and this gives a new more clear meanin= g to the gravitational force between atoms. It is known that two spheres vi= brating in phase attract. If all matter in the universe is a differential of the same 4D hyperspherical EM singularity, then it makes se= nse that all matter gets attracted to each other since all matter would be = vibrating in phase.=20 3 Dimensional Platonics Polytopeverticesedgesfacesdualshadron pairs 1. Tetrahedron464self-dual2 2. Tetradual464Tetrahedron2 3. Octahedron6128cube- 4. Cube8126Octahedron4 5. Icosahedron123020dodecahedron- 6. Dodecahedron203012Icosahedron10 Look closely at the hadron pair coloumn: 2,2,4,10.=20 If we start off with the tetrahedron, and add up shells with the next plato= nic, we will get the series: 2,2,2+2+4,2+ 2+4+10 =3D 2,2,8,18.=20 We know that the number of electrons is equal to the number of protons, hen= ce to the number of hadron pairs. Spectroscopy data gives the sequence 1s, = 2s, 2p, 3s, 3p, 4s, 3d,... or 2,2,6,2,6,2, 10,6,2, which may also be groupe= d as 2,2,8,18, similar to the shell build up sequence of Tetra, tetra, cube= and dodecahedron.=20 So we have seen that a simple tetrahedron is the most accurate picture for = a Helium nucleus, which has the strongest nuclear bond of all elements and = is better known the alpha particle. The Alpha particle thus consists of 4 h= adrons, two protons and two neutrons, with a total charge of +2. Protons an= d neutron are equivalent to the vertices of the standing wave shapes. We ca= n also extend the same model to construct the Be4 nucleus, which has a tota= l binding energy of twice that of 4He2. This is done by fitting another tet= rahedron as shown below to obtain the 8Be4 nucleus, with its vertices commo= n to a cube, representing its 4 protons and 4 neutrons. Note that these str= uctures should not be considered as solid structures but as nodes on spinni= ng spherical surfaces, with each edge element equivalent to a quark, and ea= ch vertex to a nucleon. At all times, tt should be kept in mind that these = shapes are actually 3D standing EM waves, which can also share nodes.=20 The 8Be4 nucleus platonic combination & equivalent spherical standing wave = structure. Binding Energy for 4He : 28295.673 keV (Single tetrahedron) Binding Energy for 8Be : 56499.506 keV (Two compound tetras) Twice binding energy for 4He : 56591.346 keV The difference Be - 2*He =3D -91.84 keV is due to the energy interaction of= the two similar tetrahedrons. Spin for both 4He & 8Be: Zero Half life for 8Be: 6.8 EV Mode of decay for 8Be: 2 Alpha Decay energy for 8Be: 0.092 MeV Even though very light, 8Be is a very stable metal. Its elasticity is large= r than that of steel, its strength four times that of aluminum. The melting= point at nearly 1600 K is very high. In the gas phase Beryllium is monoato= mic.=20 The above structure is the compound of two tetrahedra called the stella oct= angula, discovered by Kepler. The vertices define a cube and the intersecti= on of the two an octahedron, which shares the same face-planes as the compo= und. Thus it is a stellation of the octahedron, and in fact, the only stell= ation thereof. The probability of natural existance of such a structure is = fully confirmed by many photos of vibrating fluids taken by Dr. Hans Jenny = in his Cymatics study of sound vibrations in liquids. In this self explanat= ory diagram, you can see how two standing wave spherical tetrahedrons combi= ne within the same 'shell', forming the double spherical tetrahedron struct= ure. The two tetrahedrons are no longer independent, and any clockwise move= ment of one tetrahedron must be accompanied by an anticlockwise movement of= its dual so that the stella octangula moves as a whole body.=20 In ancient times, this shape was given great importance, and was known as M= erKaBa. The Merkaba is a symbol from the sacred geometry and is the symbol = upon which the Star of David is based. The Merkaba has significance in diff= erent ancient cultures around the world. In the Bible=A2s book of Ezekiel, = it is referred to as the chariot of Gods and in Hebrew, Merkaba means chari= ot. Some refer to the Merkaba as the 'vehicles of vehicles', or the tool fo= r ascension. The ancient Egyptian (18th dynasty) meaning is even more inter= esting as it stands for MER=3D counter rotating fields of light in the same= space, KA=3Dspirit and BA=3Dsoul. 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