From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 02:33:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3508 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 09:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 09:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 09:33:10 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 09:33:04 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 09:33:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 09:33:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:33:03 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Re: Theos-World Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=uNS43on_zwDpjfUXL-Iz85ukTJVMVSfn_f-HYcY5PEucbEDOYq_x X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41376 "What has sexual or breathing exercises to do with the spiritual=20 awakening? To me, it would be a universal joke if after all the soul=20 could be liberated in such an artificial way." "When all the motions of the body have become perfectly rythmical the=20 body has, as it were, become a gigantic battery of will." Those who practice prolonged aerobic activity know that during this=20 activity body automatically tends to acquire the most rational=20 consumption of energy and that this tendency expresses itself in the=20 attunement of all bodily functions with the rhythmical breathing.=20 This actually means that it tends to acquire its most natural way of=20 functioning which we have distorted or artificialized with our=20 unnatural way of living. What is actually breathing? What are its higher aspects? What or who=20 controls it?=20 The Secret Doctrine - "The Beginnings of Sentient Life" - says that=20 it is the breath of Lha (Spirit) which gives Life to the Seven -=20 Dragons of Wisdom.=20 Therefore, in my view, breathing is expression of our inner=20 Intelligence in our sentient life. We can attune ourselves (or=20 better our bodies) with this Intelligence if we acquire a natural,=20 rhythmic, circular way of breathing (without any special exercises),=20 when inhale and exhale become uniform movement. If we can achieve=20 this movement without interference (or with exclusion) of mind then=20 we can enter in the state of Ever-becoming - "eternal, ceaseless=20 Motion" - in which the creative powers of our Intelligence can=20 express themselves. With the will of our Intelligence we can for the=20 time being experience, for instance, respectfulness - not just=20 feeling it but actually becoming respectfulness.=20 As regard to the sex, there are, in my opinion, no better words to=20 express the position of sentient experience in our life as those in=20 the M. Collins' book, Through the Gates of Gold: "The man who chooses the way of effort, and refuses to allow the=20 sleep of indolence to dull his soul, finds in his pleasures a new and=20 finer joy each time he tastes them, - a something subtle and remote=20 which removes them more and more from the state in which mere=20 sensuousness is all; this subtle essence is that elixir of life which=20 makes man immortal. He who tastes it and who will not drink unless it=20 is in the cup finds life enlarge and the world grow great before his=20 eager eyes. He recognizes the soul within the woman he loves, and=20 passion becomes peace; he sees within his thought the finer qualities=20 of spiritual truth, which is beyond the action of our mental=20 machinery, and then instead of entering on the treadmill of=20 intellectualisms he rests on the broad back of the eagle of intuition=20 and soars into the fine air where the great poets found their=20 insight; he sees within his own power of sensation, of pleasure in=20 fresh air and sunshine, in food and wine, in motion and rest, the=20 possibilities of the subtle man, the thing which dies not either with=20 the body or the brain. The pleasures of art, of music, of light and=20 loveliness, - within these forms, which men repeat till they find=20 only the forms, he sees the glory of the Gates of Gold, and passes=20 through to find the new life beyond which intoxicates and=20 strengthens, as the keen mountain air intoxicates and strengthens, by=20 its very vigor. But if he has been pouring, drop by drop, more and=20 more of the elixir of life into his cup, he is strong enough to=20 breathe this intense air and to live upon it. Then if he die or if he=20 live in physical form, alike he goes on and finds new and finer joys,=20 more perfect and satisfying experiences, with every breath he draws=20 in and gives out." Warmest regards, Anton From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 05:12:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21724 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 12:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 12:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 12:12:21 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:11:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:11:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:11:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:11:56 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Theos-World Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=OjGBjBz3DQwV98MSrAGxoCo0J6ScyX-IQvWhlBtdzJB2PWsv_s8n0hrDxNs1yZU X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41377 "Yoke " is the universal Self --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" wrote: > > "What has sexual or breathing exercises to do with the spiritual=20 > awakening? To me, it would be a universal joke if after all the soul=20 > could be liberated in such an artificial way." >=20 > "When all the motions of the body have become perfectly rythmical the=20 > body has, as it were, become a gigantic battery of will." >=20 > Those who practice prolonged aerobic activity know that during this=20 > activity body automatically tends to acquire the most rational=20 > consumption of energy and that this tendency expresses itself in the=20 > attunement of all bodily functions with the rhythmical breathing.=20 > This actually means that it tends to acquire its most natural way of=20 > functioning which we have distorted or artificialized with our=20 > unnatural way of living. >=20 > What is actually breathing? What are its higher aspects? What or who=20 > controls it?=20 >=20 > The Secret Doctrine - "The Beginnings of Sentient Life" - says that=20 > it is the breath of Lha (Spirit) which gives Life to the Seven -=20 > Dragons of Wisdom.=20 >=20 > Therefore, in my view, breathing is expression of our inner=20 > Intelligence in our sentient life. We can attune ourselves (or=20 > better our bodies) with this Intelligence if we acquire a natural,=20 > rhythmic, circular way of breathing (without any special exercises),=20 > when inhale and exhale become uniform movement. If we can achieve=20 > this movement without interference (or with exclusion) of mind then=20 > we can enter in the state of Ever-becoming - "eternal, ceaseless=20 > Motion" - in which the creative powers of our Intelligence can=20 > express themselves. With the will of our Intelligence we can for the=20 > time being experience, for instance, respectfulness - not just=20 > feeling it but actually becoming respectfulness.=20 >=20 > As regard to the sex, there are, in my opinion, no better words to=20 > express the position of sentient experience in our life as those in=20 > the M. Collins' book, Through the Gates of Gold: >=20 > "The man who chooses the way of effort, and refuses to allow the=20 > sleep of indolence to dull his soul, finds in his pleasures a new and=20 > finer joy each time he tastes them, - a something subtle and remote=20 > which removes them more and more from the state in which mere=20 > sensuousness is all; this subtle essence is that elixir of life which=20 > makes man immortal. He who tastes it and who will not drink unless it=20 > is in the cup finds life enlarge and the world grow great before his=20 > eager eyes. He recognizes the soul within the woman he loves, and=20 > passion becomes peace; he sees within his thought the finer qualities=20 > of spiritual truth, which is beyond the action of our mental=20 > machinery, and then instead of entering on the treadmill of=20 > intellectualisms he rests on the broad back of the eagle of intuition=20 > and soars into the fine air where the great poets found their=20 > insight; he sees within his own power of sensation, of pleasure in=20 > fresh air and sunshine, in food and wine, in motion and rest, the=20 > possibilities of the subtle man, the thing which dies not either with=20 > the body or the brain. The pleasures of art, of music, of light and=20 > loveliness, - within these forms, which men repeat till they find=20 > only the forms, he sees the glory of the Gates of Gold, and passes=20 > through to find the new life beyond which intoxicates and=20 > strengthens, as the keen mountain air intoxicates and strengthens, by=20 > its very vigor. But if he has been pouring, drop by drop, more and=20 > more of the elixir of life into his cup, he is strong enough to=20 > breathe this intense air and to live upon it. Then if he die or if he=20 > live in physical form, alike he goes on and finds new and finer joys,=20 > more perfect and satisfying experiences, with every breath he draws=20 > in and gives out." >=20 > Warmest regards, > Anton > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 05:23:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67075 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 12:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 12:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 12:23:26 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:22:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:22:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:22:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:22:31 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Theos-World Re: Humility Chuck the Heretical unhappy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=X8LjocXneYryzDTFKflxvABfluPorG1n4ECE6SYc14_dk9qsqS7hF5scyihG8ow X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41378 -I thought you should be more clever, for the money and especially drive a massive golden car, brings so much troubles to you that you should like to live restfully without. Think on jealousy and others want to steel from you or like the maffia they will shoot you for the money and so on Th Art is to be content what you have and to balance with what you earn and one can earn a lot of more important power than ever money could bring him. Think on the saying: if one work or do well for the Universal Good,(to animals, plants or whatever) one will earn seven times more back than he gave. bestwishes Christina -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote: > >=20=20 > In a message dated 7/31/2007 5:07:41 PM Central Daylight Time,=20=20 > christinaleestemaker@... writes: >=20 > Chuck do you think > troubles should make worth > that kind of material????t > By the way > I just think a massive gold car and privat airplane will be bringing > more troubles. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, but it is easier to live with the troubles money brings than to try to=20=20 > live with the troubles lack of money brings. >=20=20 > Chuck the Heretic >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at=20 > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 05:30:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55478 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 12:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 12:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 12:30:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:29:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:29:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:29:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:29:35 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <302248.16058.qm@web57514.mail.re1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Clear MINDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=cRpJLBiDOXmMAx8dAPfhao1ckIq_oAYCBMLkgCPoVeGfka8Czw_Jwj_ufVUSl1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41379 Yes, is good you do something with the books yourself, like I did. I write a book near it and between. I also do with my books. So you can make the picture or puzle clear for yourself and only yourself is important for that. Is great to be said I wrote the book by myself and we can say we also do and that was her intention to give us the inspiration to develope ourselfves into the way progresse US Also thanks for your dialoque Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Henry B. Ellak**" wrote: > > Dear Christina, I have spend many hours in SD of HPB and > I like her. > I have read 5 biographies of her.=20 > I joke with people that to read her SD I had to use a > ruler and a red and blue pencil. I would underline the > former with red and underline the lattar with blue. She > wrote sentences which tended to be 4 sentences long, and > would tie them together with the former means this and the > lattar meant this. I used colored pencils to keep the > former and the lattar clear in my mind. >=20 > One humorous thing she said which I like and brings a smile > to my face is when others told her that there are no=20 > mahatmas, she said, ok, have it your own way. I wrote > the book myself. >=20 > The book, the SD is impressive, whoever wrote it. > Henry >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- christinaleestemaker > wrote: >=20 > > -Hi henry > >=20 > >=20 > > I totally agree with you. > > HPB did not believe in a god as Christians or catholics > > do. > > She said : I don't believe I KNOW. > >=20 > > She knew the planes > > she knew the rounds > > she knew the rootraces > > she knew the mahatma's,mahachohans and Manu and so on. > >=20 > > Atmic state is the highest a human can reach and she knew > > that > > also the states above that. > >=20 > > Because the consciousness after Atmic state goes on in > > the same way to > > other planes. > > All are circling or spinning into the ultra atom=3D > > prototype=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > and from there again and angain new spinning starts from > > a zeropoint > > to( the ultra atom)the next prototype. > >=20 > > For example Leon Maurer gives good vision with his ABC > > techniques > >=20 > > Christina > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Henry B. Ellak**" > > > > wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > > --- Augoeides-222@ wrote: > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > When Blavatsky lived there was not any tangible > > > > exposure in the west to Pranayama techniques or Hatha > > > > Yoga. What she originated was then and still is now > > taken > > > > as the final word of God incarnate as originated by > > the > > > > Mahatma's through her.. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Hi all,=20 > > > I understood that it was written somewhere by HPB that > > > during the last 25 years of every century, the > > Mahatma's=20 > > > give out more data. > > >=20 > > > HPB was for last 25 years of 1800's, but that in last > > 25 > > > years of the 1900's more would be released. > > >=20 > > > I do not believe that HPB believed that her work was > > the > > > final word. > > >=20 > > > I do not believe that HPB believed she was God > > Incarnate. > > >=20 > > > I do not believe that HPB believed that the Mahatma's=20 > > > were God Incarnate. > > >=20 > > > In fact, what did HPB say about "God". I do not > > believe or > > > see in her writings that she actually believed in God > > as > > > the masses of Christians do. > > >=20=20 > > > I am sure, that in her mind and in her writings, "God" > > was > > > not the highest. I believe she put Atman at the top. > > >=20=20 > > > Did HPB believe in God? I do not think so. At least > > not > > > by that name. Henry B. Ellak > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search=20 > > > that gives answers, not web links.=20 > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=3D1ONXIC > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 05:36:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88943 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 12:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 12:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 12:36:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:35:34 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:35:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:35:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:35:33 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <506654.69651.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Theos-World Re: Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=OtZwJkrZ8H30m9h5SP2_A13WyEN2str_6Zv3uGqMauLME8PfJOi6TTdJSO_dU6o X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41380 -Hallo Cass, Thanks for your attention. Yes since I have a laptop I am sitting to work in my garden don't laugh, under the grapes they are still growing blue now It is late in the year for it has raining a lot here Like the moessons in the very far East. So I can enjoy outside prana and don't need to sit in the house. That is why I have more time to follow and where I can help I will do I know you also do You showed Us a lot of nice things. Especially the Joke of the Perrot of Christmas I never forget that , LOL See you=20 Christina -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Hello Christina, > Long time since we last talked, hope you are keeping well. Thanks for clearing up this matter > Warm regards > Cass >=20 > christinaleestemaker wrote: > -Hi Cass, > I put it on this place for showing there are a lot of researched > posibilities. > But I think that way of trance, which I have seen by myself with other > people is not a permanent kundalini awakening. > That persons have same like with drugs. > Also hallucinations are of lower consciousness. >=20 > But the research of Saraswati gives some ways of people from China and > Africa which reached the state of universal phenomenon(kundalini) in > which they saw all over and within others minds and also could walk > through fire, without they burned their legs. > Whatever it is, I think not directly a negative way. > We all know if we push for long time our legs to our behind, we also > can wake a certain energy. > Same with clairvoyance but they are of temperory kind >=20 > It is not so easy , but more and more we can measure. > I think the buddhic state works through the pineal gland and visa > versa through our nervous system. > The more we purify the body, mind and spirit, the more higher levels > are to be reached in which we develope the pineal gland. > And all have to do with harmony, equilibrium or balancing the whole > system. >=20 > Christina >=20 > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > > Hello Christina, > > I am no expert but trance states are not necessarily buddhic in > nature. Trance states I imagine spring from the sub-conscious which > is part of the conscious apparatus and as such can never be verified. > What I find interesting is that psychophrenics are always visited > by negative and not positive forces. > >=20 > > Warm regards > > Cass > >=20 > > christinaleestemaker wrote: > > In Nothh West Botswana, Africa , the I Kung people of the > Kalahari > > desert dance for many hours to heat up n/um so that !kia state can be > > obtained. This state of transcendence resembles that in many yogic > > texts on kundalini in which states of consciousness beyond the > > ordinary and participation in eternity are discribed. > > Judith Cooper writes about the !Kung. > > I think there are individual and different ways in experiencing=20 > > Kundalini.The results of it are not lying and you are right that it is > > a starting buddhic level a beginning in seeing all and healing all, > > from the intuitive level Buddhi. > > Christina > >=20 > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Pablo Sender" wrote: > > > > > > But this is exactly what I feel will happen with that statement of=20 > > > HPB (kundalini =3D active Buddhi) if we don't have a solid theosophical=20 > > > answer for it. Anybody may say "I'm working to awaken Buddhi". > > > I don't think the Spiritual Insight and Wisdom (Buddhi) may be=20 > > > awakened by whatever exercise of breathing or sex. There is no cause- > > > effect relationship in that. What has Wisdom to do with those=20 > > > exercises?=20 > > > Because of that I wouldn't even say there are different levels of=20 > > > Kundalini (besides the fact that I never read it) because someone may=20 > > > say: "Yes, these exercises are to awaken Kundalini in the=20 > > > Paramahakosmic level" (you know how the New Agers are). > > > I think we have several hints in the theosophical literature to offer=20 > > > as an answer what I wrote in a previous message: Kudalini is only a=20 > > > lower aspect of Fohat, its awakening has to do with the psychic level=20 > > > (not the spiritual), you can awaken it by the known exercises, but it=20 > > > won't activate Buddhi. According to Occultism, we cannot awaken the=20 > > > higher through the lower (is everybody aware of that teaching? I can=20 > > > give HPB's references, when she talks about the Tattvas). But,=20 > > > awakening Buddhi, the person will be able to awaken Kundalini,=20 > > > although the Occultist method is through meditation, and not through=20 > > > breathing or sex exercises. > > > p > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 05:42:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18460 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 12:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 12:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 12:42:28 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:42:24 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:42:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 12:42:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:42:07 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <358903.99121.qm@web57505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Theos-World Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=nqyvFpRykeLwmBSk8XTg6HYxkFsPLAkIAihXjSRBBcEU0oF__CBVkLpbZaWPCI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41381 Maybe idea also to look at www.google.nl You will find a lot Als to visit the Yogi Bhajan who was born as prince in 1929 ( from prince to master)in Kot Harkan India ad since 1948 Pakistan He brought the white tantric Yoga and Kundalini Yoga to the USA in 1969. There are a lot of books from his hnds also and especially he brought light over sexuality and spirituality. Also shows the way in keeping yought. Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Henry B. Ellak**" wrote: > >=20 > --- Duane Carpenter wrote: >=20 > > Dear Theos-talk > >=20=20=20=20 > > I would like to express a few more insights into this > > fascinating subject of Kundalini. > > >=20 > Thank You, Christina and Duane, you have been very helpful. > Henry >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's=20 > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.=20 > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 06:10:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75331 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 13:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 13:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 13:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 13:09:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 13:09:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:09:47 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Theos-World Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=6STSIceJiBO8QNKHkbrfFg2EiCOt2pHae5l5YDOfphHAFFWtkrkdKMZKJLOaZ20 X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41382 Anton, Which Soul do you mean? Higher soul don't need exercise, that is true But animal soul do need. And most people have not developed their higher soul. Than all have to do with PRANA we live in prana and prana in us. But one not cultivating him or herself can do what he want, he never will=20 reach developement. You are right that no one can force the energies and prana=20 in artificial way.Only nature will bring him and uplift him, if he is ready for. In the end of your story you wrote about the seual way, not the common sexual, so easy it not that . If it was so easy=20 all can stay living like dogs. Happely not greetings Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" wrote: > > "What has sexual or breathing exercises to do with the spiritual=20 > awakening? To me, it would be a universal joke if after all the soul=20 > could be liberated in such an artificial way." >=20 > "When all the motions of the body have become perfectly rythmical the=20 > body has, as it were, become a gigantic battery of will." >=20 > Those who practice prolonged aerobic activity know that during this=20 > activity body automatically tends to acquire the most rational=20 > consumption of energy and that this tendency expresses itself in the=20 > attunement of all bodily functions with the rhythmical breathing.=20 > This actually means that it tends to acquire its most natural way of=20 > functioning which we have distorted or artificialized with our=20 > unnatural way of living. >=20 > What is actually breathing? What are its higher aspects? What or who=20 > controls it?=20 >=20 > The Secret Doctrine - "The Beginnings of Sentient Life" - says that=20 > it is the breath of Lha (Spirit) which gives Life to the Seven -=20 > Dragons of Wisdom.=20 >=20 > Therefore, in my view, breathing is expression of our inner=20 > Intelligence in our sentient life. We can attune ourselves (or=20 > better our bodies) with this Intelligence if we acquire a natural,=20 > rhythmic, circular way of breathing (without any special exercises),=20 > when inhale and exhale become uniform movement. If we can achieve=20 > this movement without interference (or with exclusion) of mind then=20 > we can enter in the state of Ever-becoming - "eternal, ceaseless=20 > Motion" - in which the creative powers of our Intelligence can=20 > express themselves. With the will of our Intelligence we can for the=20 > time being experience, for instance, respectfulness - not just=20 > feeling it but actually becoming respectfulness.=20 >=20 > As regard to the sex, there are, in my opinion, no better words to=20 > express the position of sentient experience in our life as those in=20 > the M. Collins' book, Through the Gates of Gold: >=20 > "The man who chooses the way of effort, and refuses to allow the=20 > sleep of indolence to dull his soul, finds in his pleasures a new and=20 > finer joy each time he tastes them, - a something subtle and remote=20 > which removes them more and more from the state in which mere=20 > sensuousness is all; this subtle essence is that elixir of life which=20 > makes man immortal. He who tastes it and who will not drink unless it=20 > is in the cup finds life enlarge and the world grow great before his=20 > eager eyes. He recognizes the soul within the woman he loves, and=20 > passion becomes peace; he sees within his thought the finer qualities=20 > of spiritual truth, which is beyond the action of our mental=20 > machinery, and then instead of entering on the treadmill of=20 > intellectualisms he rests on the broad back of the eagle of intuition=20 > and soars into the fine air where the great poets found their=20 > insight; he sees within his own power of sensation, of pleasure in=20 > fresh air and sunshine, in food and wine, in motion and rest, the=20 > possibilities of the subtle man, the thing which dies not either with=20 > the body or the brain. The pleasures of art, of music, of light and=20 > loveliness, - within these forms, which men repeat till they find=20 > only the forms, he sees the glory of the Gates of Gold, and passes=20 > through to find the new life beyond which intoxicates and=20 > strengthens, as the keen mountain air intoxicates and strengthens, by=20 > its very vigor. But if he has been pouring, drop by drop, more and=20 > more of the elixir of life into his cup, he is strong enough to=20 > breathe this intense air and to live upon it. Then if he die or if he=20 > live in physical form, alike he goes on and finds new and finer joys,=20 > more perfect and satisfying experiences, with every breath he draws=20 > in and gives out." >=20 > Warmest regards, > Anton > From Drpsionic@aol.com Wed Aug 01 08:30:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74555 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 15:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 15:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 15:30:54 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d22.c1c6c7e (39953) for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:21:17 EDT To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5041 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Humility Chuck the Heretical unhappy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=jxewais8-S7-JZexQjkIeUm-s3I12NDEIFaSxut7NkCrGFdRjw X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41383 In a message dated 8/1/2007 7:26:24 AM Central Daylight Time, christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com writes: Think on jealousy and others want to steel from you or like the maffia they will shoot you for the money and so on The mafia doesn't work that way! I ought to know because that was my family. You bring them in as business partners and everyone is happy. (Except for the competing gurus who sort of become accident prone.) Th Art is to be content what you have and to balance with what you earn and one can earn a lot of more important power than ever money could bring him. Earn?? What has earning got to do with getting money? I've never worked for a penny in my life but that never kept money from flowing in. The True Teacher has a fountain of wealth at his disposal, usually from the pockets of those who seek teaching. Think on the saying: if one work or do well for the Universal Good,(to animals, plants or whatever) one will earn seven times more back than he gave. Oh boy, did the person who said that ever get it wrong. I prefer "You can't lose with the stuff I use!" And I can't believe that I just quoted Rev. Ike. At this rate I may end up channeling Benny Hinn! Chuck the flabbergasted but True Teacher of Heresy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adelasie@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 01 08:41:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: adelasie@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41138 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 15:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 15:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.104) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 15:41:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 28415 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 15:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.101?) (adelasie@sbcglobal.net@66.122.66.34 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 15:41:34 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:43:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46B047C7.7180.3129AAC8@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "adelasie" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Humility Chuck the Heretical unhappy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161282999 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41384 Oh please! Is this in the SD? Who are these people? Is there some important teacher I never heard of? I never!!! Well, aside from CtheH, of course... On 1 Aug 2007 at 11:21, Drpsionic@aol.com wrote: > Oh boy, did the person who said that ever get it wrong. I prefer "You can't > lose with the stuff I use!" > > And I can't believe that I just quoted Rev. Ike. > > At this rate I may end up channeling Benny Hinn! > > Chuck the flabbergasted but True Teacher of Heresy > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From mkr777@gmail.com Wed Aug 01 11:00:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95857 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 17:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 17:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.229) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 17:57:06 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so211359wxd for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:57:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Aoqx8C0uAZcMfZGTA4PcEk+XrmKSDKXbI+FZCg/tpiMfDDrZ/J4EMCKLoPD9zu5eeh0iNMb//A2sodYxp2dzlF1xWvBBGgekJHFwtnRYy2XiwLJu/I9qXb0gZMfnVveGFPC8/+1uHzqamqaM84/EfIbfWH5sAWp1cq6MaWqKBhs= Received: by 10.90.99.20 with SMTP id w20mr952407agb.1185991025306; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.30.17 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:57:05 -0500 To: "TaxTalk Listserv Members" , TaxProExchange@yahoogroups.com, theos-L@yahoogroups.com, theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "M K Ramadoss" Subject: Laser Printers emissions can be worse than tobacco smoke X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=zEvsm30vOCqcIjX-Q4SEe8I2vKogHOg5oEKwU2FhqJsLdBE4lJo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41385 Many/most of us use laser printers and a recent study showed that some of them pollute more than tobacco smoke . Here is an article which gives details of printer models and their pollution rates. http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/asap.cgi/esthag/asap/html/es063049z.html#es063049zt00001 mkr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Wed Aug 01 11:05:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39069 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 18:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 18:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.233) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 18:02:39 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id q50so109338wrq for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:02:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=s92G3S2lpEnXkMmDIlQc2XB4u+aUHBSBZ0PYTByi6h7n2Cryp3uc9WCub+DH67cOX5gzVgjzCLBLi/ZJ3oVDMQS9eltDAbGLyS7LUluHAS6XE4WccW+AVpeBEs/AxVVqF8ET3pDTlql6e9+CY5txyk3eESKDCBMsdQWFiKuMa1o= Received: by 10.90.97.11 with SMTP id u11mr986284agb.1185991358685; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.30.17 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:02:38 -0500 To: theos-L@yahoogroups.com, theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "TaxTalk Listserv Members" , TaxProExchange@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "M K Ramadoss" Subject: Laser printer emissions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=B6GGXDNry40xtoABLtALjlMTYmMJHbANsb_Hu2h0UFaAZyyEQYw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41386 Hi Since the url I posted needed access permission, here is the summary; mkr -------------------------------------- Table 1. Summary of Results for Printer Emission Investigations, Based on the Ratio of Submicrometer Particle Number Concentration Peak Value Emitted by the Printer to the Background Value (measured by P-Trak) non-emitter (ratio 1) low level emitter (ratio < 1.1-5) middle level emitter (ratio < 5.1-10) high level emitter (ratio > 10) HP Color LaserJet 4550DN (1) Canon IRC6800 (1) HP LaserJet 1020 (1) HP Color LaserJet 4650dn (1) HP Color LaserJet 8500DN (1) HP LaserJet 5M (3) HP LaserJet 4200dtn (1) HP Color LaserJet 5550dtn (1) HP LaserJet 2200DN (1) HP LaserJet HP Color LaserJet 8550N HP LaserJet 2300dtn (1) 9000dn (1) (1) HP LaserJet 4 plus (1) RICOH HP LaserJet 1320N (1) HP LaserJet 4000N (1) CL3000DN (1) HP LaserJet 1320n (1) HP LaserJet 4000TN (1) HP LaserJet 2420dn (1) HP LaserJet 4050N (2) HP LaserJet 4200dtn*a* (1) HP LaserJet 4050TN (6) HP LaserJet 4250n (old) HP LaserJet 4si (1) (1) HP LaserJet 5(b) (1) HP LaserJet 4250n (new) HP LaserJet 5000n (1) (1) HP LaserJet 5100tn (2) HP LaserJet 5(a) (1) HP LaserJet 5N (2) HP LaserJet 8000DN*a* (1) HP LaserJet 5si (1) HP LaserJet 8150N (1) HP LaserJet 5si/NX (1) TOSHIBA Studio 450 (1) HP LaserJet 8000DN (2) HP LaserJet 8150DN (3) Mita DC 4060 (photo copy) (1) RICOH Aficio 2022 (1) RICOH Aficio 3045 (1) RICOH Aficio 3245C (3) RICOH Aficio CC3000DN (1) TOSHIBA Studio 350 (1) *a* Possible high emitter. ------------------------------ Table 2. Summary of the Estimated Particle Emission Rates from Chamber Test= s for Three Different Printers (Particle Numbers Concentration Measured by th= e Condensation Particle Counter 3025A, PM2.5 Measured by DustTrak) emission rate (particle min-1 =D7 109) PM2.5 emission rate (g min-1) printer ID*a* cartridge toner coverage testing number average S.D. average S.D. A new 5% 3 0.04 0.01 0.29 0.07 B old 5% 2 4.21 3.66 NE*b* B old 50% 2 9.54 8.23 C old 5% 3 41.1 12.0 NE*b* C old 50% 2 92.8 0.99 C new 5% 2 76.3 18.8 C new 50% 1 159 *a* Printer ID: A =3D HP LaserJet 5M, B =3D HP LaserJet 1020, C =3D HP Lase= rJet 1320n.*b* NE: no emission rate. ------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anton_rozman@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 11:17:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: anton_rozman@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90120 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 18:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 18:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 18:17:16 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:16:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:16:48 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 82.192.56.78 From: "Anton Rozman" Subject: Re: Theos-World Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192242904; y=teXwwx7oPuA1g8W7WFAItEqhIWmc05DGmI-eIcIf3YF77XIARWky X-Yahoo-Profile: anton_rozman X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41387 Christina, It is not my story; it is a passage from Mabel Collins' book "Through=20 the Gates of Gold". Please see:=20 http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gategold/gategold.htm I think that the word soul is here used in its broad sense as one's=20 immaterial part.=20 Well, I think that the described approach isn't so easy at all as it=20 consists of perpetual striving to overcome our operation in the line=20 of less resistance. And it has much to do with our moral evolution.=20 But I actually wished to stress that we can and should make greater=20 use of our natural resources and to be more in touch with our own=20 being. Warmest regards, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker"=20 wrote: > > Anton, > Which Soul do you mean? >=20 > Higher soul don't need exercise, that is true > But animal soul do need. > And most people have not developed their higher soul. >=20 > Than all have to do with PRANA > we live in prana and prana in us. >=20 > But one not cultivating him or herself > can do what he want, he never will=20 > reach developement. >=20 > You are right that no one can force the energies and prana=20 > in artificial way.Only nature will bring him and uplift him, if he=20 is > ready for. >=20 > In the end of your story you wrote about the seual way, not the=20 common > sexual, so easy it not that > . > If it was so easy=20 > all can stay living like dogs. > Happely not >=20 > greetings Christina >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" > wrote: > > > > "What has sexual or breathing exercises to do with the spiritual=20 > > awakening? To me, it would be a universal joke if after all the=20 soul=20 > > could be liberated in such an artificial way." > >=20 > > "When all the motions of the body have become perfectly rythmical=20 the=20 > > body has, as it were, become a gigantic battery of will." > >=20 > > Those who practice prolonged aerobic activity know that during=20 this=20 > > activity body automatically tends to acquire the most rational=20 > > consumption of energy and that this tendency expresses itself in=20 the=20 > > attunement of all bodily functions with the rhythmical breathing.=20 > > This actually means that it tends to acquire its most natural way=20 of=20 > > functioning which we have distorted or artificialized with our=20 > > unnatural way of living. > >=20 > > What is actually breathing? What are its higher aspects? What or=20 who=20 > > controls it?=20 > >=20 > > The Secret Doctrine - "The Beginnings of Sentient Life" - says=20 that=20 > > it is the breath of Lha (Spirit) which gives Life to the Seven -=20 > > Dragons of Wisdom.=20 > >=20 > > Therefore, in my view, breathing is expression of our inner=20 > > Intelligence in our sentient life. We can attune ourselves (or=20 > > better our bodies) with this Intelligence if we acquire a=20 natural,=20 > > rhythmic, circular way of breathing (without any special=20 exercises),=20 > > when inhale and exhale become uniform movement. If we can achieve=20 > > this movement without interference (or with exclusion) of mind=20 then=20 > > we can enter in the state of Ever-becoming - "eternal, ceaseless=20 > > Motion" - in which the creative powers of our Intelligence can=20 > > express themselves. With the will of our Intelligence we can for=20 the=20 > > time being experience, for instance, respectfulness - not just=20 > > feeling it but actually becoming respectfulness.=20 > >=20 > > As regard to the sex, there are, in my opinion, no better words=20 to=20 > > express the position of sentient experience in our life as those=20 in=20 > > the M. Collins' book, Through the Gates of Gold: > >=20 > > "The man who chooses the way of effort, and refuses to allow the=20 > > sleep of indolence to dull his soul, finds in his pleasures a new=20 and=20 > > finer joy each time he tastes them, - a something subtle and=20 remote=20 > > which removes them more and more from the state in which mere=20 > > sensuousness is all; this subtle essence is that elixir of life=20 which=20 > > makes man immortal. He who tastes it and who will not drink=20 unless it=20 > > is in the cup finds life enlarge and the world grow great before=20 his=20 > > eager eyes. He recognizes the soul within the woman he loves, and=20 > > passion becomes peace; he sees within his thought the finer=20 qualities=20 > > of spiritual truth, which is beyond the action of our mental=20 > > machinery, and then instead of entering on the treadmill of=20 > > intellectualisms he rests on the broad back of the eagle of=20 intuition=20 > > and soars into the fine air where the great poets found their=20 > > insight; he sees within his own power of sensation, of pleasure=20 in=20 > > fresh air and sunshine, in food and wine, in motion and rest, the=20 > > possibilities of the subtle man, the thing which dies not either=20 with=20 > > the body or the brain. The pleasures of art, of music, of light=20 and=20 > > loveliness, - within these forms, which men repeat till they find=20 > > only the forms, he sees the glory of the Gates of Gold, and=20 passes=20 > > through to find the new life beyond which intoxicates and=20 > > strengthens, as the keen mountain air intoxicates and=20 strengthens, by=20 > > its very vigor. But if he has been pouring, drop by drop, more=20 and=20 > > more of the elixir of life into his cup, he is strong enough to=20 > > breathe this intense air and to live upon it. Then if he die or=20 if he=20 > > live in physical form, alike he goes on and finds new and finer=20 joys,=20 > > more perfect and satisfying experiences, with every breath he=20 draws=20 > > in and gives out." > >=20 > > Warmest regards, > > Anton > > > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 11:28:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83581 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 18:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 18:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 18:28:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:28:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:28:27 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Theos-World Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=L96jMpv85bH3Q-JrKNDSB5cLnV_SJZ8Jjj41D2dDegxqgcCS63dT0t6-pl7jnVo X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41388 Hi Anton, Do you know "Yoke "is the word called for Universal Self. That you mentioned a story of Mabel Collens I understood, but I was referring to your own writing in this. By the way thanks for giving that book on line here, for I was looking and could not find it anywhere. If I have time I should like to read. Friendly Greeings Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" wrote: > > Christina, >=20 > It is not my story; it is a passage from Mabel Collins' book "Through=20 > the Gates of Gold". Please see:=20 > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gategold/gategold.htm >=20 > I think that the word soul is here used in its broad sense as one's=20 > immaterial part.=20 >=20 > Well, I think that the described approach isn't so easy at all as it=20 > consists of perpetual striving to overcome our operation in the line=20 > of less resistance. And it has much to do with our moral evolution.=20 >=20 > But I actually wished to stress that we can and should make greater=20 > use of our natural resources and to be more in touch with our own=20 > being. >=20 > Warmest regards, > Anton >=20 >=20 > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker"=20 > wrote: > > > > Anton, > > Which Soul do you mean? > >=20 > > Higher soul don't need exercise, that is true > > But animal soul do need. > > And most people have not developed their higher soul. > >=20 > > Than all have to do with PRANA > > we live in prana and prana in us. > >=20 > > But one not cultivating him or herself > > can do what he want, he never will=20 > > reach developement. > >=20 > > You are right that no one can force the energies and prana=20 > > in artificial way.Only nature will bring him and uplift him, if he=20 > is > > ready for. > >=20 > > In the end of your story you wrote about the seual way, not the=20 > common > > sexual, so easy it not that > > . > > If it was so easy=20 > > all can stay living like dogs. > > Happely not > >=20 > > greetings Christina > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" > > wrote: > > > > > > "What has sexual or breathing exercises to do with the spiritual=20 > > > awakening? To me, it would be a universal joke if after all the=20 > soul=20 > > > could be liberated in such an artificial way." > > >=20 > > > "When all the motions of the body have become perfectly rythmical=20 > the=20 > > > body has, as it were, become a gigantic battery of will." > > >=20 > > > Those who practice prolonged aerobic activity know that during=20 > this=20 > > > activity body automatically tends to acquire the most rational=20 > > > consumption of energy and that this tendency expresses itself in=20 > the=20 > > > attunement of all bodily functions with the rhythmical breathing.=20 > > > This actually means that it tends to acquire its most natural way=20 > of=20 > > > functioning which we have distorted or artificialized with our=20 > > > unnatural way of living. > > >=20 > > > What is actually breathing? What are its higher aspects? What or=20 > who=20 > > > controls it?=20 > > >=20 > > > The Secret Doctrine - "The Beginnings of Sentient Life" - says=20 > that=20 > > > it is the breath of Lha (Spirit) which gives Life to the Seven -=20 > > > Dragons of Wisdom.=20 > > >=20 > > > Therefore, in my view, breathing is expression of our inner=20 > > > Intelligence in our sentient life. We can attune ourselves (or=20 > > > better our bodies) with this Intelligence if we acquire a=20 > natural,=20 > > > rhythmic, circular way of breathing (without any special=20 > exercises),=20 > > > when inhale and exhale become uniform movement. If we can achieve=20 > > > this movement without interference (or with exclusion) of mind=20 > then=20 > > > we can enter in the state of Ever-becoming - "eternal, ceaseless=20 > > > Motion" - in which the creative powers of our Intelligence can=20 > > > express themselves. With the will of our Intelligence we can for=20 > the=20 > > > time being experience, for instance, respectfulness - not just=20 > > > feeling it but actually becoming respectfulness.=20 > > >=20 > > > As regard to the sex, there are, in my opinion, no better words=20 > to=20 > > > express the position of sentient experience in our life as those=20 > in=20 > > > the M. Collins' book, Through the Gates of Gold: > > >=20 > > > "The man who chooses the way of effort, and refuses to allow the=20 > > > sleep of indolence to dull his soul, finds in his pleasures a new=20 > and=20 > > > finer joy each time he tastes them, - a something subtle and=20 > remote=20 > > > which removes them more and more from the state in which mere=20 > > > sensuousness is all; this subtle essence is that elixir of life=20 > which=20 > > > makes man immortal. He who tastes it and who will not drink=20 > unless it=20 > > > is in the cup finds life enlarge and the world grow great before=20 > his=20 > > > eager eyes. He recognizes the soul within the woman he loves, and=20 > > > passion becomes peace; he sees within his thought the finer=20 > qualities=20 > > > of spiritual truth, which is beyond the action of our mental=20 > > > machinery, and then instead of entering on the treadmill of=20 > > > intellectualisms he rests on the broad back of the eagle of=20 > intuition=20 > > > and soars into the fine air where the great poets found their=20 > > > insight; he sees within his own power of sensation, of pleasure=20 > in=20 > > > fresh air and sunshine, in food and wine, in motion and rest, the=20 > > > possibilities of the subtle man, the thing which dies not either=20 > with=20 > > > the body or the brain. The pleasures of art, of music, of light=20 > and=20 > > > loveliness, - within these forms, which men repeat till they find=20 > > > only the forms, he sees the glory of the Gates of Gold, and=20 > passes=20 > > > through to find the new life beyond which intoxicates and=20 > > > strengthens, as the keen mountain air intoxicates and=20 > strengthens, by=20 > > > its very vigor. But if he has been pouring, drop by drop, more=20 > and=20 > > > more of the elixir of life into his cup, he is strong enough to=20 > > > breathe this intense air and to live upon it. Then if he die or=20 > if he=20 > > > live in physical form, alike he goes on and finds new and finer=20 > joys,=20 > > > more perfect and satisfying experiences, with every breath he=20 > draws=20 > > > in and gives out." > > >=20 > > > Warmest regards, > > > Anton > > > > > > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 11:32:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60422 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 18:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 18:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 18:32:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:31:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:31:11 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Laser Printers emissions can be worse than tobacco smoke X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=1TC03jhPBOZFMCfIZfiT9qvPdXCU0UeB2-xmGuHtJX9nZB3pL8qQJt1Uz4U8RVI X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41389 -Also carsmoke gives a lot more danger than sigarettes or sigars or pipesmooking, especially diesel , if one is sensitive for it to get cancer from that gaz FG Christina -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M K Ramadoss" wrote: > > Many/most of us use laser printers and a recent study showed that some of > them pollute more than tobacco smoke . Here is an article which gives > details of printer models and their pollution rates. >=20 > http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/asap.cgi/esthag/asap/html/es063049z.html#es0630= 49zt00001 >=20 > mkr >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org Wed Aug 01 11:36:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59680 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 18:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 18:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 18:36:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:32:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 18:32:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:32:58 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 61.11.19.118 From: "Anand" Subject: Fwd: Re: reposting of Anand's reposting of Radha's comments X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=187713566; y=2lAgs4Zi1-Q4oTZHDWf80m_yWy-28eZi5LpviMOwPSCWEBupIXgpbKE X-Yahoo-Profile: supreme_1l X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41390 May be you will find these points useful. So I am forwarding this message to the group. Anand --- In theosophy_@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" wrote: Dear Jerry, This message is interesting.=20 > I read Radha's comments. The relevant points I see her making are that K=20 > opposed the direction that the TS was going, and that Sri Ram tried to=20 > integrate K's teachings into the TS literature. Another point she=20 > understandably didn't directly mention, is that Sri Ram distanced=20 > himself from the revelations that came out of the old ES material. There were number of spiritual organizations and philosophies existing in the world when the TS was founded. TS was founded with some special purpose. Mahatma Letters, Blavatsky's writing, writings of Annie Besant, Leadbeater (who was accepted by Masters as disciple according to their own letter), tell us the purpose, focus and specialty of this new organization called the Theosophical Society. Path of occultism, discipleship, existence of Masters, to give out more information about Masters to the world, to let the world know about Occult Hierarchy, providing world information about super-physical planes of nature, constitution of man with his subtle bodies, explaining occult phenomena. These topics were at the core of the TS literature. They formed most of the literature of Masters, Blavatsky, A.P. Sinnett, Besant, Leadbeater.=20 Radha's argument is that Krishnamurti left TS and ditched those ideas about discipleship etc., just because some people that time were not doing right things. If some people did wrong things that time, that is not a proper justification for Krishnamurti's actions and speeches. If some people did wrong thing, should a leader dump all major ideas given by the Masters, Blavatsky, Sinnett, Besant, Leadbeater ? No.=20 So if Krishnamurti left for the reasons which Radha told in that comments, then Krishnamurti made a mistake.=20 If Krishnamurti left organization, and talked outside against the major ideas of TS like Masters, discipleship, path of occultism, reading books etc, should TS follow Krishnamurti and forget all the purpose for which TS was founded ? No. It was a huge mistake done by TS by following him, in my opinion. >=20 > You write that her comments tell us why the direction of the TS was=20 > changed, and who changed it. Whether these changes were "right or=20 > disastrous" is a matter of individual judgment. There are various factors that can tell whether TS is progressing or not. Some months back you had rightly said that members neither know what Blavatsky wrote, nor they know what Leadbater wrote. I also found that such miserable condition of TS is a reality. Fact is many of good students are being directed to Krishnamurti's teaching. When Krishnamurti spoke most people did not understand what he was talking. And today also I find many times speakers speak on Krishnamurti's teaching and much of that does not make much sense. They are speaking on Krishnamurti because they are encouraged to do so from top of the organization. In 1950 world's population was around 2.5 billion. Today it is over 6.6 billion. But the membership of the TS has remained almost the same. So percentage-wise membership is actually decreased significantly. This reduction is despite better conditions, literacy, increased incomes which should have actually helped spread of Theosophy, and should have resulted in increased membership. So in reality TS declined and became ineffective. These facts and some more will prove that TS actually took wrong direction by incorporation of Krishnamurti's teaching in Theosophy. > If the criteria for determining whether the changes were right or wrong=20 > can be measured by the increase or decrease in the membership, as you=20 > have previously suggested, then I must point out to you that the=20 > membership dropped disastrously during the latter part of Bishop=20 > Arundale's administration.=20 Krishnamurti started his anti-Theosophy teaching few years before Arundale became President. K's onslaught continued during Arundale's presidentship. It is quite natural that membership kept on dropping in those years.=20 During that period, Arundale ignored K and=20 > continued the previous practices of giving out initiations to members=20 > and making revelations to the ES members. According to Arundale's own=20 > statements, he regularly visited KH in Shamballa, where he was=20 > occasionally given orders to carry out. We need to remember that maximum membership and world-wide recognition to TS came under the leadership of Annie Besant. Initiations, discipleship, Occult Hirarchy and so called revelations were greeted by world already. Arundale just continued those, but now, during his presidentship, Krishnamurti was speaking outside against major ideas of the TS, rejecting every major concept TS gave. That is the reason why those old ES ideas which succeeded in attracting people during Besant's time did not succeed during Arundale's time. >=20 > Jinarajadasa followed Arundale. The TS membership recovered a little,=20 > but remained low during his time. Also, lodge attendance at lectures=20 > started to suddenly drop during the 1950's. However, everyone I have=20 > discussed this situation with agrees that the cause had nothing to do=20 > with Jinarajadasa. Rather, it was the sudden popularity of television=20 > sets. The culture was changing. Lodges quickly learned not to schedule=20 > lectures on the evenings when the Milton Berle show was on television. If TV was major cause of distraction, then in 60s, when TV spread more, should have resulted further drop in interest in Theosophy. But according to your statement in 60s membership rose. And by the time of Dora Kunj TV sets were shipped around the world, and still membership increased when Dora was president of American Section. So I think TV was not so important factor influencing membership.=20 I think TS was affected greatly by right and wrong policies and decisions of various Presidents. > It was during the sixties that the membership began to noticeably=20 > increase in the European and American sections. Probably also in India,=20 > Australia and South America. I don't know off hand. I joined the TS in=20 > 1963, so I have first hand knowledge of this period in the American=20 > Section. There was an influx of new members, most of whom were at least=20 > thirty years younger than the youngest of the established members. The=20 > older members were at first delighted until they found out that the=20 > younger members had their own perspective on life and were not willing=20 > to go along without asking critical questions, and did not appreciate=20 > Victorian attitudes. We used to credit this kind of elder-younger=20 > friction as the result of "a generation gap." Most of the new members=20 > did not stay. A few did. My experience is young members appreciate Theosophy, but Theosophical lodges many times suffer from politic and many other problems, which make new members stay away from lodges.=20 > Sri Ram did not push the ES. My own Theosophy teacher once told me that=20 > Sri Ram actually discouraged her from joining the ES. Rather, he was=20 > apparently trying to instill K's spiritual teachings into the TS: as=20 > Radha suggests.=20 If somebody says that N. Sri Ram was right and his writing is right, then how many takers are there, who would gladly accepts N.Sri Ram's version of Theosophy ? Very few, almost negligible. Among all major Theosophical leaders, N. Sri Ram's writing is least appreciated and read, despite Radha's efforts to promote it. If N. Sri Ram's writing is promoted as Theosophy, very few will join the TS. And if we accept N. Sri Ram's version, should we dump Blavatsky's version of Theosophy which concentrates on discipleship, occultims and Masters etc. ?=20 > Since Sri Ram was also the Outer Head, the older ES establishment tried=20 > to follow his lead. I would say that the biggest readers of Sri Ram's=20 > books at the time, were ES members--who read them at their meetings. All=20 > of the revelations from the earlier ES material ended at this point. If what you say is correct, then it is clear that N. Sri Ram discouraged study of old ES material and promoted his own writing in the ES. If we see condition of TS today, it is ridiculous. If Krishnamurti was world-teacher, then he can do his work through his organization- Krishnamurti Foundation. Theosophical Society should not become crutch for Krishnamurti Foundation.=20 Anand --- End forwarded message --- From Drpsionic@aol.com Wed Aug 01 14:49:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97044 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 21:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 21:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 21:49:45 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.c5a.173a2e47 (33856) for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:45:38 EDT To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5041 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Humility Chuck the Heretical unhappy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=ay6tfjf_1bIQY2l6yOyp4LB7rmocF_gLKbzXtzzUDdRNZkIJew X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41391 In a message dated 8/1/2007 10:43:29 AM Central Daylight Time, adelasie@sbcglobal.net writes: Is this in the SD? Of course not! It's the truth! :) Chuck the Laughing Heretic ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adelasie@sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 01 15:06:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: adelasie@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92565 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 22:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 22:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.95) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 22:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 75094 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 22:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.101?) (adelasie@sbcglobal.net@66.122.73.179 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 22:05:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: akw7wmgVM1nwbliDMEQMzGQhwirzBcSWElbQ7ZD2l.o2hBiafeqBo5v3rG5GKyVRFD.5djcqvtFCf.h5Eh7iJYitIgygpgNWHFry5LOHtFN_KjGRntvb0r6A3ujh33oFAP.9M3elNyOUqcwXnHd2lOvI To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:08:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46B0A1E1.28636.3289A041@adelasie.sbcglobal.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "adelasie" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Humility Chuck the Heretical unhappy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161282999 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41392 Ouch! On 1 Aug 2007 at 17:45, Drpsionic@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/1/2007 10:43:29 AM Central Daylight Time, > adelasie@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Is this in the SD? > > > Of course not! It's the truth! :) > > Chuck the Laughing Heretic > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From silva_cass@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 19:48:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46265 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 02:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2007 02:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.107) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 02:48:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 94409 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2007 02:48:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w57Fg9YVM1nQ_MvsM9PNPjAulG1IbR3kgRhhbCozSorasc9Z322bZbg0GPEnx9N0uawbS_Ve3sb0ovBk1ZxBQ4EVmMMEZTRjWZ2seVWuOKOtN_ivXd8- Received: from [220.237.47.186] by web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:48:12 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:48:12 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <96667.93336.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=sq914gxxOf8ebzTdxT3_M8F2az3eQ52dcuife-3TPF4D_VOyuw X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41393 Hello again Christina, I am picturing you in your spot in the garden under the grapes "a good to be alive moment". I had a heart attack 5 weeks ago and it makes you appreciate that those moments are priceless. I am well now, and attempting to quit smoking which is one of the hardest things I have ever experienced. Be well Warm regards Cass christinaleestemaker wrote: -Hallo Cass, Thanks for your attention. Yes since I have a laptop I am sitting to work in my garden don't laugh, under the grapes they are still growing blue now It is late in the year for it has raining a lot here Like the moessons in the very far East. So I can enjoy outside prana and don't need to sit in the house. That is why I have more time to follow and where I can help I will do I know you also do You showed Us a lot of nice things. Especially the Joke of the Perrot of Christmas I never forget that , LOL See you Christina -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Hello Christina, > Long time since we last talked, hope you are keeping well. Thanks for clearing up this matter > Warm regards > Cass > > christinaleestemaker wrote: > -Hi Cass, > I put it on this place for showing there are a lot of researched > posibilities. > But I think that way of trance, which I have seen by myself with other > people is not a permanent kundalini awakening. > That persons have same like with drugs. > Also hallucinations are of lower consciousness. > > But the research of Saraswati gives some ways of people from China and > Africa which reached the state of universal phenomenon(kundalini) in > which they saw all over and within others minds and also could walk > through fire, without they burned their legs. > Whatever it is, I think not directly a negative way. > We all know if we push for long time our legs to our behind, we also > can wake a certain energy. > Same with clairvoyance but they are of temperory kind > > It is not so easy , but more and more we can measure. > I think the buddhic state works through the pineal gland and visa > versa through our nervous system. > The more we purify the body, mind and spirit, the more higher levels > are to be reached in which we develope the pineal gland. > And all have to do with harmony, equilibrium or balancing the whole > system. > > Christina > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > > Hello Christina, > > I am no expert but trance states are not necessarily buddhic in > nature. Trance states I imagine spring from the sub-conscious which > is part of the conscious apparatus and as such can never be verified. > What I find interesting is that psychophrenics are always visited > by negative and not positive forces. > > > > Warm regards > > Cass > > > > christinaleestemaker wrote: > > In Nothh West Botswana, Africa , the I Kung people of the > Kalahari > > desert dance for many hours to heat up n/um so that !kia state can be > > obtained. This state of transcendence resembles that in many yogic > > texts on kundalini in which states of consciousness beyond the > > ordinary and participation in eternity are discribed. > > Judith Cooper writes about the !Kung. > > I think there are individual and different ways in experiencing > > Kundalini.The results of it are not lying and you are right that it is > > a starting buddhic level a beginning in seeing all and healing all, > > from the intuitive level Buddhi. > > Christina > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Pablo Sender" wrote: > > > > > > But this is exactly what I feel will happen with that statement of > > > HPB (kundalini = active Buddhi) if we don't have a solid theosophical > > > answer for it. Anybody may say "I'm working to awaken Buddhi". > > > I don't think the Spiritual Insight and Wisdom (Buddhi) may be > > > awakened by whatever exercise of breathing or sex. There is no cause- > > > effect relationship in that. What has Wisdom to do with those > > > exercises? > > > Because of that I wouldn't even say there are different levels of > > > Kundalini (besides the fact that I never read it) because someone may > > > say: "Yes, these exercises are to awaken Kundalini in the > > > Paramahakosmic level" (you know how the New Agers are). > > > I think we have several hints in the theosophical literature to offer > > > as an answer what I wrote in a previous message: Kudalini is only a > > > lower aspect of Fohat, its awakening has to do with the psychic level > > > (not the spiritual), you can awaken it by the known exercises, but it > > > won't activate Buddhi. According to Occultism, we cannot awaken the > > > higher through the lower (is everybody aware of that teaching? I can > > > give HPB's references, when she talks about the Tattvas). But, > > > awakening Buddhi, the person will be able to awaken Kundalini, > > > although the Occultist method is through meditation, and not through > > > breathing or sex exercises. > > > p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Wed Aug 01 20:06:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27704 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2007 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 03:06:05 -0000 Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.c78.19744069 (65098) for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:05:39 EDT To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0 From: leonmaurer@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Blind mindsets? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=c7FMzldvOMMB9NbrJLy9MaP-0zMJvyW4BOxYvyKiTG_kgdTG9qU X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41394 Perhaps the below diagrams might help in clearing the air about how the seven fold nature of man analogously relates to the primal fields of cosmogenesis... Illustrating "As above, so below" of the ancient Hermetic philosophers. This figure has the proper designations of the chakra fields as given by HP= B http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/THOTH_IN_DIAMOND_SAMADHI.jpg http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafield-spherical-colo_F.jpg http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html Lenny christinaleestemaker wrote on 7/31/07, 4:03 PM: =A0> Wht is God? =A0> =A0> HPB meant Atmic? =A0> That is the highest state a human can reach! =A0> but above atmic is Anupudaka and above that level is ADI =A0> and I think you knew very well. =A0> Christina =A0> =A0> =A0> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Henry B. Ellak**" =A0> wrote: =A0> > =A0> > =A0> > --- Augoeides-222@... wrote: =A0> > =A0> > =A0> > >=A0=A0 When Blavatsky lived there was not any tangible =A0> > > exposure in the west to Pranayama techniques or Hatha =A0> > > Yoga. What she originated was then and still is now taken =A0> > > as the final word of God incarnate as originated by the =A0> > > Mahatma's through her.. =A0> > =A0> > =A0> > Hi all, =A0> > I understood that it was written somewhere by HPB that =A0> > during=A0 the last 25 years of every century, the Mahatma's =A0> > give out more data. =A0> > =A0> > HPB was for last 25 years of 1800's, but that in last 25 =A0> > years of the 1900's more would be released. =A0> > =A0> > I do not believe that HPB believed that her work was the =A0> > final word. =A0> > =A0> > I do not believe that HPB believed she was God Incarnate. =A0> > =A0> > I do not believe that HPB believed that the=A0 Mahatma's =A0> > were God Incarnate. =A0> > =A0> > In fact, what did HPB say about "God".=A0 I do not believe or =A0> > see in her writings that she actually believed in God as =A0> > the masses of Christians do. =A0> > =A0> > I am sure, that in her mind and in her=A0 writings, "God" was =A0> > not the highest.=A0 I believe she put Atman at the top. =A0> > =A0> > Did HPB believe in God?=A0 I do not think so.=A0 At least not =A0> > by that name.=A0 Henry B. Ellak =A0> > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at=20 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Wed Aug 01 20:40:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86046 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 03:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2007 03:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.226) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 03:38:47 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so318260wxd for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:38:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LKBuNAKEERWesf0jB/pw4ib5+FiLyni3LB6gCkNYb8DC+1se+RAx6I1imzCYoX7ilu5yYCF11Os9sWuzpsQZdmpq6J4DdeIyQA6swdHjZ5iowuBIeVmSNczXzaGf/KrT34w2yKmPucMxMNOtTkU89sbE2+ZPcbK/MNeqDLtKGfI= Received: by 10.90.120.13 with SMTP id s13mr1411540agc.1186025924738; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.30.17 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:38:44 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <302248.16058.qm@web57514.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <302248.16058.qm@web57514.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "M K Ramadoss" Subject: Re: Theos-World Blind mindsets? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=V0xlwi0e0BQ47NPuLjpETb2d49yZisviS8ZcPhkUSZdPNeuIpoI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41395 I am glad you took the time to read SD and come to your own conclusion. Many do not read what she had written and with second hand info make ridiculous statements. mkr On 7/31/07, Henry B. Ellak** wrote: > > Dear Christina, I have spend many hours in SD of HPB and > I like her. > I have read 5 biographies of her. > I joke with people that to read her SD I had to use a > ruler and a red and blue pencil. I would underline the > former with red and underline the lattar with blue. She > wrote sentences which tended to be 4 sentences long, and > would tie them together with the former means this and the > lattar meant this. I used colored pencils to keep the > former and the lattar clear in my mind. > > One humorous thing she said which I like and brings a smile > to my face is when others told her that there are no > mahatmas, she said, ok, have it your own way. I wrote > the book myself. > > The book, the SD is impressive, whoever wrote it. > Henry > > --- christinaleestemaker > > > wrote: > > > -Hi henry > > > > > > I totally agree with you. > > HPB did not believe in a god as Christians or catholics > > do. > > She said : I don't believe I KNOW. > > > > She knew the planes > > she knew the rounds > > she knew the rootraces > > she knew the mahatma's,mahachohans and Manu and so on. > > > > Atmic state is the highest a human can reach and she knew > > that > > also the states above that. > > > > Because the consciousness after Atmic state goes on in > > the same way to > > other planes. > > All are circling or spinning into the ultra atom= > > prototype > > and from there again and angain new spinning starts from > > a zeropoint > > to( the ultra atom)the next prototype. > > > > For example Leon Maurer gives good vision with his ABC > > techniques > > > > Christina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , "Henry > B. Ellak**" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- Augoeides-222@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When Blavatsky lived there was not any tangible > > > > exposure in the west to Pranayama techniques or Hatha > > > > Yoga. What she originated was then and still is now > > taken > > > > as the final word of God incarnate as originated by > > the > > > > Mahatma's through her.. > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > I understood that it was written somewhere by HPB that > > > during the last 25 years of every century, the > > Mahatma's > > > give out more data. > > > > > > HPB was for last 25 years of 1800's, but that in last > > 25 > > > years of the 1900's more would be released. > > > > > > I do not believe that HPB believed that her work was > > the > > > final word. > > > > > > I do not believe that HPB believed she was God > > Incarnate. > > > > > > I do not believe that HPB believed that the Mahatma's > > > were God Incarnate. > > > > > > In fact, what did HPB say about "God". I do not > > believe or > > > see in her writings that she actually believed in God > > as > > > the masses of Christians do. > > > > > > I am sure, that in her mind and in her writings, "God" > > was > > > not the highest. I believe she put Atman at the top. > > > > > > Did HPB believe in God? I do not think so. At least > > not > > > by that name. Henry B. Ellak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > > that gives answers, not web links. > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all > the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Wed Aug 01 21:00:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42570 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 04:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2007 04:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.238) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 04:00:41 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h31so507301wxd for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:00:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GpjIbhBz13iPpnwszzYLNKcESaFaad2foeOZGoZyDYLRMDXYLCZop/aFP+fgcUZysvAsfWvTsnFuH65MHoHnPenOYIOKyzrVPsARHjKah/IcTJNsp7ci35uZzEQy+OJX3EEvVs0YbNeS/piKuzbu5qysJwNS+B1CYLEISWb3fhQ= Received: by 10.90.27.13 with SMTP id a13mr1406678aga.1186027230456; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.30.17 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:00:30 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <96667.93336.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <96667.93336.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "M K Ramadoss" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=nNItElWM8TCP6s4_cwUtBs7wV-1GVAWMYn94kv8H9n58D49n0AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41396 Hi Glad to know you are doing ok after the heart attack. I have seen many cases of people quitting smoking cold turkey when they face life changing situations. You should be able to do it. mkr On 8/1/07, Cass Silva wrote: > > Hello again Christina, > I am picturing you in your spot in the garden under the grapes "a good to > be alive moment". I had a heart attack 5 weeks ago and it makes you > appreciate that those moments are priceless. I am well now, and attempting > to quit smoking which is one of the hardest things I have ever experienced. > Be well > Warm regards > Cass > > christinaleestemaker > > wrote: > -Hallo Cass, > Thanks for your attention. > Yes since I have a laptop > I am sitting to work in my garden > don't laugh, under the grapes > they are still growing blue now > It is late in the year for it has raining a lot here > Like the moessons in the very far East. > > So I can enjoy outside prana and don't need to sit in the house. > That is why I have more time to follow and where I can help I will do > I know you also do > You showed Us a lot of nice things. > Especially the Joke of the Perrot of Christmas > I never forget that > , LOL > See you > Christina > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , Cass > Silva wrote: > > > > Hello Christina, > > Long time since we last talked, hope you are keeping well. Thanks > for clearing up this matter > > Warm regards > > Cass > > > > christinaleestemaker wrote: > > -Hi Cass, > > I put it on this place for showing there are a lot of researched > > posibilities. > > But I think that way of trance, which I have seen by myself with other > > people is not a permanent kundalini awakening. > > That persons have same like with drugs. > > Also hallucinations are of lower consciousness. > > > > But the research of Saraswati gives some ways of people from China and > > Africa which reached the state of universal phenomenon(kundalini) in > > which they saw all over and within others minds and also could walk > > through fire, without they burned their legs. > > Whatever it is, I think not directly a negative way. > > We all know if we push for long time our legs to our behind, we also > > can wake a certain energy. > > Same with clairvoyance but they are of temperory kind > > > > It is not so easy , but more and more we can measure. > > I think the buddhic state works through the pineal gland and visa > > versa through our nervous system. > > The more we purify the body, mind and spirit, the more higher levels > > are to be reached in which we develope the pineal gland. > > And all have to do with harmony, equilibrium or balancing the whole > > system. > > > > Christina > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , Cass > Silva wrote: > > > > > > Hello Christina, > > > I am no expert but trance states are not necessarily buddhic in > > nature. Trance states I imagine spring from the sub-conscious which > > is part of the conscious apparatus and as such can never be verified. > > What I find interesting is that psychophrenics are always visited > > by negative and not positive forces. > > > > > > Warm regards > > > Cass > > > > > > christinaleestemaker wrote: > > > In Nothh West Botswana, Africa , the I Kung people of the > > Kalahari > > > desert dance for many hours to heat up n/um so that !kia state can be > > > obtained. This state of transcendence resembles that in many yogic > > > texts on kundalini in which states of consciousness beyond the > > > ordinary and participation in eternity are discribed. > > > Judith Cooper writes about the !Kung. > > > I think there are individual and different ways in experiencing > > > Kundalini.The results of it are not lying and you are right that it is > > > a starting buddhic level a beginning in seeing all and healing all, > > > from the intuitive level Buddhi. > > > Christina > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , > "Pablo Sender" wrote: > > > > > > > > But this is exactly what I feel will happen with that statement of > > > > HPB (kundalini = active Buddhi) if we don't have a solid > theosophical > > > > answer for it. Anybody may say "I'm working to awaken Buddhi". > > > > I don't think the Spiritual Insight and Wisdom (Buddhi) may be > > > > awakened by whatever exercise of breathing or sex. There is no > cause- > > > > effect relationship in that. What has Wisdom to do with those > > > > exercises? > > > > Because of that I wouldn't even say there are different levels of > > > > Kundalini (besides the fact that I never read it) because > someone may > > > > say: "Yes, these exercises are to awaken Kundalini in the > > > > Paramahakosmic level" (you know how the New Agers are). > > > > I think we have several hints in the theosophical literature to > offer > > > > as an answer what I wrote in a previous message: Kudalini is only a > > > > lower aspect of Fohat, its awakening has to do with the psychic > level > > > > (not the spiritual), you can awaken it by the known exercises, > but it > > > > won't activate Buddhi. According to Occultism, we cannot awaken the > > > > higher through the lower (is everybody aware of that teaching? I > can > > > > give HPB's references, when she talks about the Tattvas). But, > > > > awakening Buddhi, the person will be able to awaken Kundalini, > > > > although the Occultist method is through meditation, and not > through > > > > breathing or sex exercises. > > > > p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From henrybellak@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 22:45:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22506 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 05:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2007 05:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 05:45:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 05:45:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 05:45:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 05:45:29 -0000 X-Sender: henrybellak@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40639 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 16:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 16:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.56.21) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 16:30:44 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n2.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 16:30:30 -0000 Received: from [66.196.101.133] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 16:30:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by rrr4.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 16:30:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 319870.98218.bm@rrr4.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57185 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2007 16:30:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8I5Ul.kVM1nKaBdjfBH5jagda1R7vbK.ixcdK9eCoT91kTJHN.VajZ.0dQ25.TbdpMm0YtrWOrZXC1pR9YZQng9ffdblbcx9ZESjVqXehpCro9TuenNp20CXnrVxDbHxdb2SqVXHUx9yrzo_CJc- Received: from [71.110.213.197] by web57510.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:30:29 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:30:29 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <080120070252.22050.46AFF55D00025BFE000056222215593414CDCDCDD39C0A0B070A01099ABE@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <158916.47269.qm@web57510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.56.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Henry B. Ellak**" Subject: Re: Theos-World Blind mindsets? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=310811640; y=ilrEdyQ99HR53zWuPC3NxfWWCO-jatTQWNZoUmS9xNxbYIHeHYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: henrybellak X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 02 Aug 2007 05:45:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41397 Hi John, It was nice of you to answer and explain what You meant. I agree with what you wrote here. I myself have done many things theosophists would disapprove of. I attended a place [called Teaching of the Inner Christ, offshoot of Science of Mind] where I did the table tipping with this group. Yes, the table stood on two legs in response to spirits. I rather enjoyed this. I did this even thro my theosophist friends were warning me of the dangers of mediumship. I also checked out Channeling, one called Mafu, Penny Torris Rubin. As much as the theosophists and even HPB warned of the dangers of mediumship, most objective books written on HPB suggest that HPB was a medium herself. She did channel 5 different Masters, and I knew their names at one time. I do hold HPB in high regards. In her writings, I get the feeling that she gives hints and clues and even blinds and that it is up to me to see beyound these. She has said that some knowledge would be dangerous if released too soon. I understand this. I spend many hours in SD of HPB and she said many times that she gives hints and sometimes even blinds. It is up to the student to understand the hints and see thru the blinds. Actually, I really only read HPB as I figured I do not need others to translate her to me. misc thought: number 33 you mentioned. Did you know the masons use this number 33 as the top number in their initiation scale. 33 means something but this is not my area of knowledge and I do not know. Again, I understand and agree with what you wrote. I have just joined this list and I am still 'getting into the flow of the mind streams or idea streams' which flow on these lists. Discussion is good. misc, I attended the Long Beach, California, ULT study sessons held in Long Beach. We had good discussions, discussing what we each thought HPB or WQJ meant. A simple sentence of HPB or Judge would bring on 45 minutes of discussion of what we each and all thought that sentence meant. Best regards to you John Henry B. Ellak --- Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote: > Henry, > Hi, nice to meet you, thanks for you comments. As it > was my post that your reference I think i can reply and > clarify. I meant in using : > > >>What she originated was then and still is now taken > > as the final word of God incarnate << > > to express a figure of speech in a laconic slightly > sarcastic sense only. I had no intention to communicate > any idea that she in any shape, manner or form possessed > idea's of Deity as to herself or the Mahatma's. The > Mahatma's spoke of an Absolute Principle but repudiated > any and all concepts of personal deity as did Madame > Blavatsky. i personally hold the tenet that the > "dispensation" (for want of a better succinct expression) > she was enabled to lay before the world via the Mahatma's > was as she states incomplete and relies upon the efforts > of individuals to continue to assemble the additive parts > as they may and as provided in future originations. Hatha > Yoga is taught now in the 21st Century in literally > thousands of Centers all over the world and has been > since Vasant Rele' and a Yogi came to America and > instructed for the first time to the western world. The > idea that people will go mad, turn into maniacs, become > severely disabled wholesale is simply FALSE! There is no > basis to > maintain such a view based upon real actual direct > experience of tens upon tens of thousands of > practitioners world wide! It is plain Hooey! In Mahayana, > Zen, Hindu Ashrams under direct supervision and careful > observation of Guru safe proper gradients of advancement > are maintained and have been for centuries, this is a > matter of known public record in todays world compared to > the time of H.P.B. I myself have witnessed and observed > Mahayana Tripitaka Master of Host Robe Grade (The 33 > partitioned Robe) supervising a Monk who had advanced to > the stage of pranic transformation of the breaths with > physical somatics seen. I do not advocate individual > practice of advanced techniques without a High Guru to > supervise, this is in accord with every Teaching. > Theosophy has a strain of views in certain aspects > that suppress, inhibit, and wildly exaggerate to create > fear and prevent acquisition of knowledge thereby > maintaining a certain control over others that has no > basis in my personal opinion. Ignorance is abhorred in > Patanjali and every other Teaching. One cannot see the > Moon while there is dust upon the mirror. Blavatsky never > said to anyone that people should be maintained inain > anadvancing stastasis stagnation fixated unchanging > composition of the economy of the Being so that we end up > just like the comcommoneryday religionists who are > maintained by the bishops like fish in a pond. She rather > always admonished everyone andand atl times to "TRY" not > capitulate. Somewhere the mismisconceptionept in that one > should blindfold themselves to all but what some treat as > a Theosophical Dogma they canonize towards other and > forever make claims on what they never cared to know. > There is a Theosophist that even wrote a Book on the > Breaths > and Breathing Techniques! She dedicated the book to: > Rama Prasad, M. A., F. T. S. and with this statement: > "When all the motions of the body have become perfectly > rythmical the body has, as it were, become a gigantic > battery of will." > "The body: "A means to an end; an instrument intended for > the cilculture the soul" > Raja Yoga > Her name was EllEllaelia Fletcher and her book is : > "The Law of the Rhythmic Breath" 1908, she was a > Theosophist. > Regards, > John > > > > ------- Original message -------------- > From: "Henry B. Ellak**" > > > --- Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote: > > > When Blavatsky lived there was not any tangible > > exposure in the west to Pranayama techniques or Hatha > > Yoga. What she originated was then and still is now > taken > > as the final word of God incarnate as originated by the > > Mahatma's through her.. > > Hi all, > I understood that it was written somewhere by HPB that > during the last 25 years of every century, the Mahatma's > give out more data. > > HPB was for last 25 years of 1800's, but that in last 25 > years of the 1900's more would be released. > > I do not believe that HPB believed that her work was the > final word. > > I do not believe that HPB believed she was God Incarnate. > > I do not believe that HPB believed that the Mahatma's > were God Incarnate. > > In fact, what did HPB say about "God". I do not believe > or > see in her writings that she actually believed in God as > the masses of Christians do. > > I am sure, that in her mind and in her writings, "God" > was > not the highest. I believe she put Atman at the top. > > Did HPB believe in God? I do not think so. At least not > by that name. Henry B. Ellak > > __________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From henrybellak@yahoo.com Wed Aug 01 22:45:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85591 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 05:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2007 05:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 05:45:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 05:45:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 05:45:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 05:45:29 -0000 X-Sender: henrybellak@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98849 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2007 22:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2007 22:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.44) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2007 22:28:29 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 22:28:28 -0000 Received: from [66.196.101.132] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 22:28:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by rrr3.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2007 22:28:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 232465.27362.bm@rrr3.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84642 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2007 22:20:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M1TGo5cVM1lEkU9OmUYFlk673GmQQ.P6zw5GBrCBnkaiR.sslMNP2A.XbevmaeYhJiY.hIN9IWNZYNdESn59wtlXmmpUzHq0M8fu Received: from [71.110.213.197] by web57509.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:20:47 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:20:47 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <313187.84013.qm@web57509.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.236.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Henry B. Ellak**" Subject: Re: Theos-World Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=310811640; y=8ANJPZQ1MkpD9SitkYI-N7C_8iKN8ZwzJRvCZIBvUKpvt7iVYjY X-Yahoo-Profile: henrybellak X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 02 Aug 2007 05:45:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41398 HI Pablo, I edited your below post to highlight what I learned from you. What you said agrees with me. Thank You, By the way, who is your Raja Yoga Teacher? I assume you have one. Raja Yoga is the path of the mind, isn't it. Henry B.Ellak --- Pablo Sender wrote: > There are seven universal forces or shaktis, of which > kundalini > is one of them. In hatha yogic and tantric > literature > they say the awakening of kundalini is the highest goal. > But it is > not the belief in Occultism or Raja Yoga. > According to HPB there are seven tattvas related to seven > kinds of > forces and centres in the body. She says that the hatha > yogi works on > the four lower, trying to go up to the higher, while the > Raja Yogi > does the opposite: first work on the higher and then goes > to the > lower. As I understand it, HPB said that you cannot > really go from > the lower energies to the highest, because the means to > awaken the > lower will damage the pineal gland, the organ of > spiritual > perception, and could even severe the connection between > higher self > and the personality, for that incarnation. > But beyond all that, there is a question of common sense, > to me: > evolution of soul is meant for its spiritual awakening, > which > involves a growing wisdom, a sense of non-separateness, a > widening > and deepening of perception and discrimination between > the real and > the unreal, and so on. Then, what has sexual or breathing > exercises > to do with the spiritual awakening? Why didn't the Buddha, the Christ, Shankaracharya, > etc., > teach those relatively easy techniques, instead of wasting > their time > teaching all that stuff of morality and meditation? > It is said that once the Raja Yogi has reached certain > spiritual > development, he will awakened kundalini through > meditation > I hope it may help. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au Wed Aug 01 23:42:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30352 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 06:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2007 06:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 06:42:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 06:41:05 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 06:41:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 06:40:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:40:55 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <96667.93336.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.59.84.134 From: "nhcareyta" Subject: Theos-World Re: Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193856796; y=52auwOnyPlETSPT0cWjaA2HVrfpipY9r5WQSEIzlhwKUHMIr X-Yahoo-Profile: nhcareyta X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41399 Dear Cass What a shock!=20 Best wishes with your battle with the dreaded weed. Often the trouble=20 is we don't think it to be so dreadful until hit with something=20 serious. And even then we don't really want to give it up. Loving thoughts and all strength to you. Nigel=20 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Hello again Christina, > I am picturing you in your spot in the garden under the grapes "a=20 good to be alive moment". I had a heart attack 5 weeks ago and it=20 makes you appreciate that those moments are priceless. I am well=20 now, and attempting to quit smoking which is one of the hardest=20 things I have ever experienced.=20=20 > Be well > Warm regards > Cass >=20 > christinaleestemaker wrote: > -Hallo Cass, > Thanks for your attention. > Yes since I have a laptop > I am sitting to work in my garden > don't laugh, under the grapes > they are still growing blue now > It is late in the year for it has raining a lot here > Like the moessons in the very far East. >=20 > So I can enjoy outside prana and don't need to sit in the house. > That is why I have more time to follow and where I can help I will=20 do > I know you also do > You showed Us a lot of nice things. > Especially the Joke of the Perrot of Christmas > I never forget that > , LOL > See you=20 > Christina >=20 > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > > Hello Christina, > > Long time since we last talked, hope you are keeping well. Thanks > for clearing up this matter > > Warm regards > > Cass > >=20 > > christinaleestemaker wrote: > > -Hi Cass, > > I put it on this place for showing there are a lot of researched > > posibilities. > > But I think that way of trance, which I have seen by myself with=20 other > > people is not a permanent kundalini awakening. > > That persons have same like with drugs. > > Also hallucinations are of lower consciousness. > >=20 > > But the research of Saraswati gives some ways of people from=20 China and > > Africa which reached the state of universal phenomenon(kundalini)=20 in > > which they saw all over and within others minds and also could=20 walk > > through fire, without they burned their legs. > > Whatever it is, I think not directly a negative way. > > We all know if we push for long time our legs to our behind, we=20 also > > can wake a certain energy. > > Same with clairvoyance but they are of temperory kind > >=20 > > It is not so easy , but more and more we can measure. > > I think the buddhic state works through the pineal gland and visa > > versa through our nervous system. > > The more we purify the body, mind and spirit, the more higher=20 levels > > are to be reached in which we develope the pineal gland. > > And all have to do with harmony, equilibrium or balancing the=20 whole > > system. > >=20 > > Christina > >=20 > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > > > > Hello Christina, > > > I am no expert but trance states are not necessarily buddhic in > > nature. Trance states I imagine spring from the sub-conscious=20 which > > is part of the conscious apparatus and as such can never be=20 verified. > > What I find interesting is that psychophrenics are always visited > > by negative and not positive forces. > > >=20 > > > Warm regards > > > Cass > > >=20 > > > christinaleestemaker wrote: > > > In Nothh West Botswana, Africa , the I Kung people of the > > Kalahari > > > desert dance for many hours to heat up n/um so that !kia state=20 can be > > > obtained. This state of transcendence resembles that in many=20 yogic > > > texts on kundalini in which states of consciousness beyond the > > > ordinary and participation in eternity are discribed. > > > Judith Cooper writes about the !Kung. > > > I think there are individual and different ways in experiencing=20 > > > Kundalini.The results of it are not lying and you are right=20 that it is > > > a starting buddhic level a beginning in seeing all and healing=20 all, > > > from the intuitive level Buddhi. > > > Christina > > >=20 > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Pablo Sender" =20 wrote: > > > > > > > > But this is exactly what I feel will happen with that=20 statement of=20 > > > > HPB (kundalini =3D active Buddhi) if we don't have a solid > theosophical=20 > > > > answer for it. Anybody may say "I'm working to awaken Buddhi". > > > > I don't think the Spiritual Insight and Wisdom (Buddhi) may=20 be=20 > > > > awakened by whatever exercise of breathing or sex. There is no > cause- > > > > effect relationship in that. What has Wisdom to do with those=20 > > > > exercises?=20 > > > > Because of that I wouldn't even say there are different=20 levels of=20 > > > > Kundalini (besides the fact that I never read it) because > someone may=20 > > > > say: "Yes, these exercises are to awaken Kundalini in the=20 > > > > Paramahakosmic level" (you know how the New Agers are). > > > > I think we have several hints in the theosophical literature=20 to > offer=20 > > > > as an answer what I wrote in a previous message: Kudalini is=20 only a=20 > > > > lower aspect of Fohat, its awakening has to do with the=20 psychic > level=20 > > > > (not the spiritual), you can awaken it by the known exercises, > but it=20 > > > > won't activate Buddhi. According to Occultism, we cannot=20 awaken the=20 > > > > higher through the lower (is everybody aware of that=20 teaching? I > can=20 > > > > give HPB's references, when she talks about the Tattvas).=20 But,=20 > > > > awakening Buddhi, the person will be able to awaken=20 Kundalini,=20 > > > > although the Occultist method is through meditation, and not > through=20 > > > > breathing or sex exercises. > > > > p > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --------------------------------- > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative=20 vehicles. > > > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your=20 story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos=20 new Car Finder tool. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Thu Aug 02 00:13:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46166 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2007 07:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2007 07:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.216) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2007 07:13:17 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 07:12:23 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 07:12:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2007 07:12:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:12:22 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <96667.93336.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.222.32 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Theos-World Re: Kundalini and Buddhi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=g3wSMS3gH7P07qAvqkc5xbHeGJhL5WP9R3nMO6yfoIBGd2AGEhYuaOKe8LjGk2I X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 41400 Yes Cass, the easy one starts with ( smoking or whatever) the difficult it is to stop. You need all the discipline one can have. Especially after heartattack and more important is to stop eating salt. You don't need NaCl( is the common salt) better buy Kalium Chlorid that is the salt gives no harm.All pharmacies have that or here we have in supremarket LO Salt that is for 80% KCL. And don't stop drinking your red wine two glasses a day, that is for heartworking very well. Hopely you will not get another one.One in a lifetime will be enough. And keep pleasuring. We don't want to loose you!!!!!! Christina -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Hello again Christina, > I am picturing you in your spot in the garden under the grapes "a good to be alive moment". I had a heart attack 5 weeks ago and it makes you appreciate that those moments are priceless. I am well now, and attempting to quit smoking which is one of the hardest things I have ever experienced.=20=20 > Be well > Warm regards > Cass >=20 > christinaleestemaker wrote: > -Hallo Cass, > Thanks for your attention. > Yes since I have a laptop > I am sitting to work in my garden > don't laugh, under the grapes > they are still growing blue now > It is late in the year for it has raining a lot here > Like the moessons in the very far East. >=20 > So I can enjoy outside prana and don't need to sit in the house. > That is why I have more time to follow and where I can help I will do > I know you also do > You showed Us a lot of nice things. > Especially the Joke of the Perrot of Christmas > I never forget that > , LOL > See you=20 > Christina >=20 > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > > Hello Christina, > > Long time since we last talked, hope you are keeping well. Thanks > for clearing up this matter > > Warm regards > > Cass > >=20 > > christinaleestemaker wrote: > > -Hi Cass, > > I put it on this place for showing there are a lot of researched > > posibilities. > > But I think that way of trance, which I have seen by myself with other > > people is not a permanent kundalini awakening. > > That persons have same like with drugs. > > Also hallucinations are of lower consciousness. > >=20 > > But the research of Saraswati gives some ways of people from China and > > Africa which reached the state of universal phenomenon(kundalini) in > > which they saw all over and within others minds and also could walk > > through fire, without they burned their legs. > > Whatever it is, I think not directly a negative way. > > We all know if we push for long time our legs to our behind, we also > > can wake a certain energy. > > Same with clairvoyance but they are of temperory kind > >=20 > > It is not so easy , but more and more we can measure. > > I think the buddhic state works through the pineal gland and visa > > versa through our nervous system. > > The more we purify the body, mind and spirit, the more higher levels > > are to be reached in which we develope the pineal gland. > > And all have to do with harmony, equilibrium or balancing the whole > > system. > >=20 > > Christina > >=20 > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > > > > Hello Christina, > > > I am no expert but trance states are not necessarily buddhic in > > nature. Trance states I imagine spring from the sub-conscious which > > is part of the conscious apparatus and as such can never be verified. > > What I find interesting is tha