From leonmaurer@aol.com Tue May 01 19:50:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40461 invoked from network); 2 May 2007 02:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2007 02:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2007 02:48:06 -0000 Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id x.bf3.e5f75c6 (43932); Tue, 1 May 2007 22:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:47:15 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: leonmaurer@aol.com Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=S-NkeqP2WDALkAohXDmtUhiDEhWohYWOY3hPO76KUJaE3CV97G4 X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40513 The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007. Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'colony collapse' of bees By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. But some scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause massive food shortages, as the world's harvests fail. They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by mobile phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of the more bizarre mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt disappearance of the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers claimed that the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to continental Europe - was beginning to hit Britain as well. The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with bees' navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the psychophysical sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species from finding their way back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now evidence to back this up. Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants suddenly disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers, like so many apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but thought to die singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that normally raid the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go anywhere near the abandoned hives. The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of all American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per cent of its commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East Coast. CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee-keepers, announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned. Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-west England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs insisted: "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK." The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left". No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites, pesticides, global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have drawbacks. German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near power lines. Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuhn, who carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause. Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government and mobile phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I am convinced the possibility is real." The case against handsets Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing. But proof is still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such as cancer, take decades to show up. Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an official Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 10 years were 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as they held the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per capita in Finland than anywhere in the world.] Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation from mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's teenagers could go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they already were.] Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men who use mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more prosaically, doctors have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from constant texting. Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official inquiries, warned that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a series of safety recommendations, largely ignored by ministers. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Wed May 02 12:11:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42913 invoked from network); 2 May 2007 19:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2007 19:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2007 19:11:17 -0000 Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 1.c4c.13e0a080 (41812); Wed, 2 May 2007 14:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:47:04 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: leonmaurer@aol.com Subject: Re: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=Jp5EDyZSxds-4xxv9BeYHnlkavET1c8nyVnQpN0eQgvOD-ylcB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40514 Sounds reasonable... But I've read that there is a difference between cell= =20 phone networks and wireless (wi-fi) networks that computer phone systems us= e=20 (Vonage, Skype, etc.). Their way of modulating, multiplexing, and transmi= tting=20 analog or digital signals may be quite different.=20=20=20 If those networks use different forms of transmission or change them as new= =20 services come online, that could possibly be the cause of interference with= the=20 bees magnetic field locating system -- which could be quite complex as well= =20 as extremely sensitive. Apparently, since the bees probably locate their= =20 hives by reference to the polar magnetic fields... Either recently increase= d wi-fi=20 or cell signal interference might account for why bees in specific location= s=20 throughout the world, where different wireless and cell phone methods=20 predominate in different places, are not returning to their hives.=20=20=20 Check this web site for an article about these system differences. www.networkcomputing.com/channels/wireless/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D19= 7002836 In a message dated 5/2/07 10:51:47 AM, reginald@pipeline.com writes: > L; > =A0 > An interesting theory, but I heard a beekeeper/expert interviewed on=20 > WNYC-AM a few weeks back and he said, unlike=A0many other places,=A0the h= oney bees=20 > in=A0NYC were doing fine - listen here: > www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/2007/03/27/segments/76094 > =A0 > So, for the Independent article=A0to be=A0true, wouldn't the cell phone= =20 > system=A0in=A0NYC have to somehow be different than those elsewhere=A0(th= o I don't see how=20 > or why it would be)? > =A0 > I have a guess that there are many contributers to the problem, but the= =20 > straw that's breaking the camel's back is GMO crops. As NYC has little or= no GMO=20 > crops, that's why the=A0honey bee population in NYC is not suffering like= the=20 > rest. > =A0 > R >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LeonMaurer@aol.com > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:47 PM > Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? >=20 > The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007. > Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? >=20 > Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'col= ony=20 > collapse' of bees >=20 > By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross >=20 > It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. But som= e=20 > scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause massive = food=20 > shortages, as the world's harvests fail. >=20 > They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by mobile=20 > phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of the more = bizarre=20 > mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt disappearance = of=20 > the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers claimed t= hat=20 > the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to continental Euro= pe -=20 > was beginning to hit Britain as well. >=20 > The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with bees'=20 > navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the psychophysical= =20 > sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species from finding= their way=20 > back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now evidence to = back=20 > this up. >=20 > Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants suddenly= =20 > disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers, like so = many=20 > apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but thought to di= e=20 > singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that normall= y raid=20 > the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go anywher= e=20 > near the abandoned hives. >=20 > The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of all=20 > American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per cent of it= s=20 > commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East Coast. >=20 > CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and= =20 > Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee-keepers,= =20 > announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned. >=20 > Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-west=20 > England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs in= sisted:=20 > "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK." >=20 > The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops=20 > depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the bees= =20 > disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left". >=20 > No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites, pesticides,=20 > global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have drawbacks. >=20 > German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near power=20 > lines. >=20 > Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to=20 > return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuh= n, who=20 > carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause. >=20 > Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government and mobi= le=20 > phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I am convi= nced=20 > the possibility is real." >=20 > The case against handsets >=20 > Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing. But proof= is=20 > still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such as cancer= ,=20 > take decades to show up. >=20 > Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an official=20 > Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 10 year= s were=20 > 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as they he= ld=20 > the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per capita in Fin= land=20 > than anywhere in the world.] >=20 > Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation from= =20 > mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's teenagers c= ould=20 > go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they already were.= ] >=20 > Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men who use= =20 > mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more prosaically, d= octors=20 > have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from constan= t=20 > texting. >=20 > Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official inquiries, war= ned=20 > that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a series of saf= ety=20 > recommendations, largely ignored by ministers. >=20 >=20 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Wed May 02 17:27:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60677 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 00:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 00:27:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 00:27:38 -0000 Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 5.c01.14e89c0c (41812); Wed, 2 May 2007 20:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:27:07 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: leonmaurer@aol.com Subject: Re: Bees Knees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=WAeQiO78wRAJI6fd_9olF8703KTkQ2-9PfqDLV1xPPGbEuYDnpA X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40515 Rad, Guess that's the way it has to be. One way or the other, the planet somed= ay=20 will have to be cleared of the bulk of its human population that keeps=20 increasing in greater and greater numbers to eventually reach a point -- wh= ich is=20 not too far off -- where the global ecoology can't support them and their=20 infrastructures any longer.=20=20=20 Besides, isn't it necessary to make room for the new cycle of the now=20 infiltrating sixth family race -- with a higher level of mental/moral (Bu= ddhi=20 nature) development -- so as to continue the human evolution to an even hig= her=20 level before the sixth subrace appears? (Or is it subrace and root race?)= I=20 have no trouble wrapping my mind around that aspect of theosophical teachin= gs...=20 Since the possibility of such round and race evolution it describes, is=20 perfectly consistent with the ABC model -- which sees evolution, on all its= levels,=20 and particularly the physical, much like the "morphic resonance" interactio= n=20 of hyperspace morphogenetic or "morphic" fields, as explained by Rupert=20 Sheldrake in his book "A New science of Life." Both Blavatsky and I (among many others, I suspect) thought this culling=20 could be caused by a sudden geographic pole shift, or series of volcanic di= sasters=20 due to intelligent nature reflecting back mankind's accumulated evil=20 thoughts. Or, if it occurred as the result of human actions -- we could h= ave=20 anticipated a global warming and massive floods, a worldwide pandemic, or a= globally=20 catastrophic nuclear war.=20=20=20 Who would have thought it could be the lowly bees that were destined (or=20 chosen) to do the work? They gave us our nourishment, and now, they seem = to be=20 taking away. It's ironic... But looking at the way mankind's greed and ignorance of thei= r=20 true nature have done it to themselves, it seems quite appropriate, don't y= ou=20 think?=20=20=20 Isn't the purpose of each of our lives, to learn the lessons that we need t= o=20 know to arrive at self realization and to achieve a "nucleus," then a seed,= =20 and ultimately a tree -- as a universal brotherhood of all mankind -- so as= to=20 continue its further evolution toward its ultimate godlike nature -- with e= ach=20 of us a consciously aware part of it? Isn't that the ultimate reward for = all=20 individual points of Mankind's consciousness on this globe who manage to=20 survive through the whole lifetime of the manvantara without losing their=20 conscience or inner light, and perhaps ending up isolated in the world of d= ark matter?=20 So, what's lost, if much of the current world population is starved out o= f=20 existence? Especially, since they are the one's who caused it. Doesn't= =20 perfect justice in the form of karma, as you sow, so hall you reap, rule th= e=20 world? And, aren't the lives of our descendents as important as our prese= nt=20 lives? Especially, if such descendants could be part of the incoming high= er=20 evolved mankind that we will ultimately be reborn into. Much food for tho= ught=20 here, eh... Even for the skeptics -- who can't imagine or think about any= =20 possibility of consciousness beyond their present material lifetimes. = =20 BTW, the theosophical origin of the bees and the ants, along with us -- as = a=20 necessary support of the ecology that, in turn, supports the universal=20 consciousness expressed in Man -- might make sense if we assume that HPB wa= s using a=20 metaphor, i.e., Moon as a substitute for Mother or primal matter, out of= =20 whose bosom all life arises and evolves. She also taught that the physica= l moon=20 was simply the shell of the dead Earth left over from a previous=20 manifestation or Manvantara -- that was necessary to stay and encircle arou= nd so as to=20 help maintain the orbit of the earth, and support the circadian rhythms of = all=20 life, as well as acting as the mirror to reflect the highest spiritual rays= of=20 the Sun during sleep -- to regenerate the life energy used up during waking= =20 hours. As I see it, all of that is easily explained, scientifically, by analogy an= d=20 correspondence -- from the standpoint of the ABC field's initial radiation,= =20 fractal involution and subsequent evolution -- based on the second fundamen= tal=20 principle of cyclic (harmonic) laws of electrodynamics... That act in=20 conjunction with the (first principle) ineffable zero-point origin of mothe= r SPACE with=20 its abstract motion or spinergy, and the (third principle) ultimate purpose= =20 of evolution, supported by reincarnation and karma. So, maybe the bees are really our saviors -- both in the beginning and endi= ng=20 of our lives on Earth.=20=20=20 Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and perfectly in accord with the theosophic= al=20 teachings. What do you think? Len P.S. And that doesn't let me off the hook either... Since back in the ear= ly=20 seventies, I was entrapreneurially working on starting a worldwide cellphon= e=20 empowered communication network. Was it my good karma to have failed in a= ll=20 my previous enterprises leading to that one -- which also never could be=20 consummated due to my lack of sufficient personal wealth? Although, there= were=20 plenty of other such electronic business startups that made it all the way = to=20 the present morass of bee extermination, and ultimately, a goodly portion o= f the=20 human race... If that really is the cause, and not equally greed-driven,=20 worldwide biochemical dispersion, global warming, etc. Either way... Same= =20 difference. We did it to ourselves. And, by now, I think it's much too = late in=20 the game to reverse any of it. Somehow, however, it makes me happy to hav= e=20 been a technological business failure. =20 > Well, > =C2=A0 > Blavatsky said that only bees, ants and rice made it to Earth from the=20 > Moon. I could never wrap my head around that =E2=80=9Cfrom the Moon=E2=80= =9D stuff, but I have=20 > always acknowledged another import of her statement: that bees are ESSENT= IAL=20 > to life on this planet. > =C2=A0 > The web of life is SO fragile.=C2=A0 We got along without cell-phones fo= r long=20 > enough after cars=E2=80=A6 d=E2=80=99ya think we could give them up to sa= ve life as we know=20 > it?=C2=A0 (Then again, perhaps it is that very thing, =E2=80=9Clife as we= know it=E2=80=9D that=20 > should not be saved=E2=80=A6) Either way, according to Einstein (one of y= our mentors) we > =E2=80=99ve only got a few years left=E2=80=A6 Who would=E2=80=99a thunk = it would happen this way?=C2=A0=20 > Oh, I=E2=80=99m sure a few people did.=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > And there is a certain radical beauty about it: no =E2=80=9Cterrorist th= reat=E2=80=9D, not=20 > some =E2=80=9Cforeign dictator=E2=80=9D, no individual =E2=80=9Cevil man= =E2=80=9D, but just us =E2=80=93 every one=20 > of us phone-carrying humans is to blame =E2=80=93 innocently, and yet col= lectively.=C2=A0=20 > We=E2=80=99ve =E2=80=9Ctechnologicized=E2=80=9D ourselves into oblivion. = That=E2=80=99s been the=20 > overriding =E2=80=9Cterror vision=E2=80=9D all along hasn=E2=80=99t it, t= hat we=E2=80=99d do ourselves in?=C2=A0 Hey, we=20 > were right!=C2=A0 I mean wrong=E2=80=A6 I mean right about being wrong.= =C2=A0 Wrong-headed,=20 > that is.=C2=A0 Irresponsible, un-steward-like, rushing to permeate the pl= anet with=20 > deadly, invisible, odorless micro-waves without first testing ALL of the= =20 > possible fall-out.=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > Why? > =C2=A0 > Greed first, then convenience. Greed on the part of mega-corps who saw h= ow=20 > marketing cell-phones to everyone and their sister would yield unpreceden= ted=20 > profit, and our notion of convenience: never having to stop to make a pho= ne=20 > call, and the seduction of the self-importance that luxury engenders.=C2= =A0 > =C2=A0 > What a price to pay for it! > =C2=A0 > Oh well.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99ll be interesting to see just how selfish huma= ns are when, in=20 > a very short amount of time we=E2=80=99re all squarely faced with letting= go of=20 > something we considered =E2=80=9CProgress=E2=80=9D but is in the end the = opposite! > =C2=A0 > Its been a fun ride (sorta-kinda), > Radames Pera > =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 >=20 > =C2=A0 > -----Original Message----- > From: LeonMaurer@aol.com [mailto:LeonMaurer@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:47 PM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? > =C2=A0 > The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007. > Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? >=20 > Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'col= ony=20 > collapse' of bees >=20 > By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross >=20 > It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. But som= e=20 > scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause massive = food=20 > shortages, as the world's harvests fail. >=20 > They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by mobile=20 > phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of the more = bizarre=20 > mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt disappearance = of=20 > the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers claimed t= hat=20 > the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to continental Euro= pe -=20 > was beginning to hit Britain as well. >=20 > The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with bees'=20 > navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the psychophysical= =20 > sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species from finding= their way=20 > back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now evidence to = back=20 > this up. >=20 > Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants suddenly= =20 > disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers, like so = many=20 > apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but thought to di= e=20 > singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that normall= y raid=20 > the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go anywher= e=20 > near the abandoned hives. >=20 > The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of all=20 > American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per cent of it= s=20 > commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East Coast. >=20 > CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and= =20 > Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee-keepers,= =20 > announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned. >=20 > Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-west=20 > England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs in= sisted:=20 > "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK." >=20 > The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops=20 > depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the bees= =20 > disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left". >=20 > No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites, pesticides,=20 > global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have drawbacks. >=20 > German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near power=20 > lines. >=20 > Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to=20 > return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuh= n, who=20 > carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause. >=20 > Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government and mobi= le=20 > phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I am convi= nced=20 > the possibility is real." >=20 > The case against handsets >=20 > Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing. But proof= is=20 > still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such as cancer= ,=20 > take decades to show up. >=20 > Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an official=20 > Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 10 year= s were=20 > 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as they he= ld=20 > the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per capita in Fin= land=20 > than anywhere in the world.] >=20 > Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation from= =20 > mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's teenagers c= ould=20 > go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they already were.= ] >=20 > Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men who use= =20 > mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more prosaically, d= octors=20 > have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from constan= t=20 > texting. >=20 > Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official inquiries, war= ned=20 > that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a series of saf= ety=20 > recommendations, largely ignored by ministers. >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >=20 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Wed May 02 17:51:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2968 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 00:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 00:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.112) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 00:51:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 23139 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2007 00:51:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XL0oLIYVM1lRT8fMhCEXWAzT_VxUVHgvUA0otbBQhKAKQAH6VpB6I52Bw8d7pq85Gg-- Received: from [210.49.184.221] by web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2007 17:51:05 PDT Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <125313.22952.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Bees Knees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=sitdXUuAF2_RTrfs_VanbP8-pYXPNsCo5UDgZyENeB8r0gw10Q X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40516 Leon I am so glad you have brought up this issue. I get frustrated when only = receive mail about who said what, who did what 100 years ago. It seems to = me that the world is going quite mad at the moment and as theosophists we a= re still dallying with the founders. Is this truly what HPB wanted when sh= e gave us the Ancient Teachings? =20=20=20 We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the general pu= blic. I am busy on several forums which are curious about what she actuall= y had to say. =20=20=20 When I see Theos Talk all I can think is about Barbra Streisand, "Talk am= ongst yourselves" =20=20=20 I think the time for study is over, it is now time for action. Now time = to walk the walk. =20=20=20 Cass =20=20 leonmaurer@aol.com wrote: Rad, Guess that's the way it has to be. One way or the other, the planet someday= =20 will have to be cleared of the bulk of its human population that keeps=20 increasing in greater and greater numbers to eventually reach a point -- wh= ich is=20 not too far off -- where the global ecoology can't support them and their=20 infrastructures any longer.=20 Besides, isn't it necessary to make room for the new cycle of the now=20 infiltrating sixth family race -- with a higher level of mental/moral (Budd= hi=20 nature) development -- so as to continue the human evolution to an even hig= her=20 level before the sixth subrace appears? (Or is it subrace and root race?) I= =20 have no trouble wrapping my mind around that aspect of theosophical teachin= gs...=20 Since the possibility of such round and race evolution it describes, is=20 perfectly consistent with the ABC model -- which sees evolution, on all its= levels,=20 and particularly the physical, much like the "morphic resonance" interactio= n=20 of hyperspace morphogenetic or "morphic" fields, as explained by Rupert=20 Sheldrake in his book "A New science of Life." Both Blavatsky and I (among many others, I suspect) thought this culling=20 could be caused by a sudden geographic pole shift, or series of volcanic di= sasters=20 due to intelligent nature reflecting back mankind's accumulated evil=20 thoughts. Or, if it occurred as the result of human actions -- we could hav= e=20 anticipated a global warming and massive floods, a worldwide pandemic, or a= globally=20 catastrophic nuclear war.=20 Who would have thought it could be the lowly bees that were destined (or=20 chosen) to do the work? They gave us our nourishment, and now, they seem to= be=20 taking away. It's ironic... But looking at the way mankind's greed and ignorance of thei= r=20 true nature have done it to themselves, it seems quite appropriate, don't y= ou=20 think?=20 Isn't the purpose of each of our lives, to learn the lessons that we need t= o=20 know to arrive at self realization and to achieve a "nucleus," then a seed,= =20 and ultimately a tree -- as a universal brotherhood of all mankind -- so as= to=20 continue its further evolution toward its ultimate godlike nature -- with e= ach=20 of us a consciously aware part of it? Isn't that the ultimate reward for al= l=20 individual points of Mankind's consciousness on this globe who manage to=20 survive through the whole lifetime of the manvantara without losing their=20 conscience or inner light, and perhaps ending up isolated in the world of d= ark matter?=20 So, what's lost, if much of the current world population is starved out of= =20 existence? Especially, since they are the one's who caused it. Doesn't=20 perfect justice in the form of karma, as you sow, so hall you reap, rule th= e=20 world? And, aren't the lives of our descendents as important as our present= =20 lives? Especially, if such descendants could be part of the incoming higher= =20 evolved mankind that we will ultimately be reborn into. Much food for thoug= ht=20 here, eh... Even for the skeptics -- who can't imagine or think about any=20 possibility of consciousness beyond their present material lifetimes.=20 BTW, the theosophical origin of the bees and the ants, along with us -- as = a=20 necessary support of the ecology that, in turn, supports the universal=20 consciousness expressed in Man -- might make sense if we assume that HPB wa= s using a=20 metaphor, i.e., Moon as a substitute for Mother or primal matter, out of=20 whose bosom all life arises and evolves. She also taught that the physical = moon=20 was simply the shell of the dead Earth left over from a previous=20 manifestation or Manvantara -- that was necessary to stay and encircle arou= nd so as to=20 help maintain the orbit of the earth, and support the circadian rhythms of = all=20 life, as well as acting as the mirror to reflect the highest spiritual rays= of=20 the Sun during sleep -- to regenerate the life energy used up during waking= =20 hours. As I see it, all of that is easily explained, scientifically, by analogy an= d=20 correspondence -- from the standpoint of the ABC field's initial radiation,= =20 fractal involution and subsequent evolution -- based on the second fundamen= tal=20 principle of cyclic (harmonic) laws of electrodynamics... That act in=20 conjunction with the (first principle) ineffable zero-point origin of mothe= r SPACE with=20 its abstract motion or spinergy, and the (third principle) ultimate purpose= =20 of evolution, supported by reincarnation and karma. So, maybe the bees are really our saviors -- both in the beginning and endi= ng=20 of our lives on Earth.=20 Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and perfectly in accord with the theosophic= al=20 teachings. What do you think? Len P.S. And that doesn't let me off the hook either... Since back in the early= =20 seventies, I was entrapreneurially working on starting a worldwide cellphon= e=20 empowered communication network. Was it my good karma to have failed in all= =20 my previous enterprises leading to that one -- which also never could be=20 consummated due to my lack of sufficient personal wealth? Although, there w= ere=20 plenty of other such electronic business startups that made it all the way = to=20 the present morass of bee extermination, and ultimately, a goodly portion o= f the=20 human race... If that really is the cause, and not equally greed-driven,=20 worldwide biochemical dispersion, global warming, etc. Either way... Same=20 difference. We did it to ourselves. And, by now, I think it's much too late= in=20 the game to reverse any of it. Somehow, however, it makes me happy to have= =20 been a technological business failure. =20 > Well, > =C2=20 > Blavatsky said that only bees, ants and rice made it to Earth from the=20 > Moon. I could never wrap my head around that =E2=80=9Cfrom the Moon=E2=80= =9D stuff, but I have=20 > always acknowledged another import of her statement: that bees are ESSENT= IAL=20 > to life on this planet. > =C2=20 > The web of life is SO fragile.=C2 We got along without cell-phones for l= ong=20 > enough after cars=E2=80=A6 d=E2=80=99ya think we could give them up to sa= ve life as we know=20 > it?=C2 (Then again, perhaps it is that very thing, =E2=80=9Clife as we k= now it=E2=80=9D that=20 > should not be saved=E2=80=A6) Either way, according to Einstein (one of y= our mentors) we > =E2=80=99ve only got a few years left=E2=80=A6 Who would=E2=80=99a thunk = it would happen this way?=C2=20=20 > Oh, I=E2=80=99m sure a few people did.=C2=20 > =C2=20 > And there is a certain radical beauty about it: no =E2=80=9Cterrorist thr= eat=E2=80=9D, not=20 > some =E2=80=9Cforeign dictator=E2=80=9D, no individual =E2=80=9Cevil man= =E2=80=9D, but just us =E2=80=93 every one=20 > of us phone-carrying humans is to blame =E2=80=93 innocently, and yet col= lectively.=C2=20=20 > We=E2=80=99ve =E2=80=9Ctechnologicized=E2=80=9D ourselves into oblivion. = That=E2=80=99s been the=20 > overriding =E2=80=9Cterror vision=E2=80=9D all along hasn=E2=80=99t it, t= hat we=E2=80=99d do ourselves in?=C2 Hey, we=20 > were right!=C2 I mean wrong=E2=80=A6 I mean right about being wrong.=C2 = Wrong-headed,=20 > that is.=C2 Irresponsible, un-steward-like, rushing to permeate the plan= et with=20 > deadly, invisible, odorless micro-waves without first testing ALL of the= =20 > possible fall-out.=C2=20 > =C2=20 > Why? > =C2=20 > Greed first, then convenience. Greed on the part of mega-corps who saw ho= w=20 > marketing cell-phones to everyone and their sister would yield unpreceden= ted=20 > profit, and our notion of convenience: never having to stop to make a pho= ne=20 > call, and the seduction of the self-importance that luxury engenders.=C2= =20 > =C2=20 > What a price to pay for it! > =C2=20 > Oh well.=C2 It=E2=80=99ll be interesting to see just how selfish humans = are when, in=20 > a very short amount of time we=E2=80=99re all squarely faced with letting= go of=20 > something we considered =E2=80=9CProgress=E2=80=9D but is in the end the = opposite! > =C2=20 > Its been a fun ride (sorta-kinda), > Radames Pera > =C2=20 > =C2=20 >=20 > =C2=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: LeonMaurer@aol.com [mailto:LeonMaurer@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:47 PM > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? > =C2=20 > The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007. > Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? >=20 > Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'col= ony=20 > collapse' of bees >=20 > By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross >=20 > It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. But som= e=20 > scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause massive = food=20 > shortages, as the world's harvests fail. >=20 > They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by mobile=20 > phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of the more = bizarre=20 > mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt disappearance = of=20 > the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers claimed t= hat=20 > the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to continental Euro= pe -=20 > was beginning to hit Britain as well. >=20 > The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with bees'=20 > navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the psychophysical= =20 > sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species from finding= their way=20 > back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now evidence to = back=20 > this up. >=20 > Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants suddenly= =20 > disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers, like so = many=20 > apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but thought to di= e=20 > singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that normall= y raid=20 > the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go anywher= e=20 > near the abandoned hives. >=20 > The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of all=20 > American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per cent of it= s=20 > commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East Coast. >=20 > CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and= =20 > Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee-keepers,= =20 > announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned. >=20 > Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-west=20 > England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs in= sisted:=20 > "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK." >=20 > The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops=20 > depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the bees= =20 > disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left". >=20 > No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites, pesticides,=20 > global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have drawbacks. >=20 > German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near power=20 > lines. >=20 > Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to=20 > return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen Kuh= n, who=20 > carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible cause. >=20 > Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government and mobi= le=20 > phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I am convi= nced=20 > the possibility is real." >=20 > The case against handsets >=20 > Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing. But proof= is=20 > still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such as cancer= ,=20 > take decades to show up. >=20 > Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an official=20 > Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 10 year= s were=20 > 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as they he= ld=20 > the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per capita in Fin= land=20 > than anywhere in the world.] >=20 > Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation from= =20 > mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's teenagers c= ould=20 > go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they already were.= ] >=20 > Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men who use= =20 > mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more prosaically, d= octors=20 > have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from constan= t=20 > texting. >=20 > Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official inquiries, war= ned=20 > that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a series of saf= ety=20 > recommendations, largely ignored by ministers. >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >=20 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Wed May 02 17:54:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83294 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 00:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 00:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 00:54:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 24466 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2007 00:54:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: au68Q9YVM1nK8ESrkqsEAKq7g_Sn852QjZEGsiTiUhurSk0Gpm1DyqX6bYi4DCmzuBUDq9_Z6lPAlBM2hMc333_SBZEkDS0OXeqz Received: from [210.49.184.221] by web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2007 17:54:52 PDT Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:54:52 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <570698.23325.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cosmic Cookies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=EsumbMSMGX-khEbn5jMimBR2b7odkH82oOPW9Szyr66BzHkPfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40517 There are others out there doing the work we should be Cookie Break... Cosmic Cookie In the Physical Plane of Illusion the Human Body does not actaully exist... except as a Teaching Device for the Human Mind... Soul or Consciousness. The Infinite Self is the Creator of this Vehicle and it travels all over the Universe with it visiting and celebrating its Diversities. The Illusive Physical Body however is real to the Ego Mind or Personality. The Ego Mind as a temporary Projection of the Soul is capable of connecting with its Higher Self by means of Meditation.. . or Intuitive Awareness. A DREAM IS A TEACHING DEVICE... WHERE IS IT? Cosmic Cookies have been distributed since 1996/12/01 You may freely share my work with any List or Party. http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/CosmicCook ies http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/TriLite --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au Wed May 02 20:16:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87535 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 03:16:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 03:16:40 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <125313.22952.qm@web52109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.166.243.16 From: "nhcareyta" Subject: Theos-World Re: Bees Knees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193856796; y=eKa68_cqIntR6Kj0PioZsuxhxBcNYdxgkqu7STNBw5PidbnK X-Yahoo-Profile: nhcareyta X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40518 Dear Cass If I may add a comment to your posting to Leon. Your write: >We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the=20 >general public. This is such an important statement and I (for what it's worth)=20 commend you for your sentiment. Indeed, some of us are doing that as=20 much and as best as we can. In so doing we must also challenge those who purport to be, but in=20 some part are clearly not, representing her works. When those misrepresentations and deceptions of "100 years ago" are=20 still to this day put forward as representing her work, do we not=20 need to clarify this for sake of theosophical inquirers and students? Regards Nigel --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Leon > I am so glad you have brought up this issue. I get frustrated=20 when only receive mail about who said what, who did what 100 years=20 ago. It seems to me that the world is going quite mad at the moment=20 and as theosophists we are still dallying with the founders. Is this=20 truly what HPB wanted when she gave us the Ancient Teachings? >=20=20=20=20 > We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the=20 general public. I am busy on several forums which are curious about=20 what she actually had to say. >=20=20=20=20 > When I see Theos Talk all I can think is about Barbra=20 Streisand, "Talk amongst yourselves" >=20=20=20=20 > I think the time for study is over, it is now time for action.=20=20 Now time to walk the walk. >=20=20=20=20 > Cass >=20=20=20 >=20 > leonmaurer@... wrote: > Rad, >=20 > Guess that's the way it has to be. One way or the other, the planet=20 someday=20 > will have to be cleared of the bulk of its human population that=20 keeps=20 > increasing in greater and greater numbers to eventually reach a=20 point -- which is=20 > not too far off -- where the global ecoology can't support them and=20 their=20 > infrastructures any longer.=20 >=20 > Besides, isn't it necessary to make room for the new cycle of the=20 now=20 > infiltrating sixth family race -- with a higher level of=20 mental/moral (Buddhi=20 > nature) development -- so as to continue the human evolution to an=20 even higher=20 > level before the sixth subrace appears? (Or is it subrace and root=20 race?) I=20 > have no trouble wrapping my mind around that aspect of theosophical=20 teachings...=20 > Since the possibility of such round and race evolution it=20 describes, is=20 > perfectly consistent with the ABC model -- which sees evolution, on=20 all its levels,=20 > and particularly the physical, much like the "morphic resonance"=20 interaction=20 > of hyperspace morphogenetic or "morphic" fields, as explained by=20 Rupert=20 > Sheldrake in his book "A New science of Life." >=20 > Both Blavatsky and I (among many others, I suspect) thought this=20 culling=20 > could be caused by a sudden geographic pole shift, or series of=20 volcanic disasters=20 > due to intelligent nature reflecting back mankind's accumulated=20 evil=20 > thoughts. Or, if it occurred as the result of human actions -- we=20 could have=20 > anticipated a global warming and massive floods, a worldwide=20 pandemic, or a globally=20 > catastrophic nuclear war.=20 >=20 > Who would have thought it could be the lowly bees that were=20 destined (or=20 > chosen) to do the work? They gave us our nourishment, and now, they=20 seem to be=20 > taking away. >=20 > It's ironic... But looking at the way mankind's greed and ignorance=20 of their=20 > true nature have done it to themselves, it seems quite appropriate,=20 don't you=20 > think?=20 >=20 > Isn't the purpose of each of our lives, to learn the lessons that=20 we need to=20 > know to arrive at self realization and to achieve a "nucleus," then=20 a seed,=20 > and ultimately a tree -- as a universal brotherhood of all mankind - - so as to=20 > continue its further evolution toward its ultimate godlike nature -- with each=20 > of us a consciously aware part of it? Isn't that the ultimate=20 reward for all=20 > individual points of Mankind's consciousness on this globe who=20 manage to=20 > survive through the whole lifetime of the manvantara without losing=20 their=20 > conscience or inner light, and perhaps ending up isolated in the=20 world of dark matter?=20 > So, what's lost, if much of the current world population is starved=20 out of=20 > existence? Especially, since they are the one's who caused it.=20 Doesn't=20 > perfect justice in the form of karma, as you sow, so hall you reap,=20 rule the=20 > world? And, aren't the lives of our descendents as important as our=20 present=20 > lives? Especially, if such descendants could be part of the=20 incoming higher=20 > evolved mankind that we will ultimately be reborn into. Much food=20 for thought=20 > here, eh... Even for the skeptics -- who can't imagine or think=20 about any=20 > possibility of consciousness beyond their present material=20 lifetimes.=20 >=20 > BTW, the theosophical origin of the bees and the ants, along with=20 us -- as a=20 > necessary support of the ecology that, in turn, supports the=20 universal=20 > consciousness expressed in Man -- might make sense if we assume=20 that HPB was using a=20 > metaphor, i.e., Moon as a substitute for Mother or primal matter,=20 out of=20 > whose bosom all life arises and evolves. She also taught that the=20 physical moon=20 > was simply the shell of the dead Earth left over from a previous=20 > manifestation or Manvantara -- that was necessary to stay and=20 encircle around so as to=20 > help maintain the orbit of the earth, and support the circadian=20 rhythms of all=20 > life, as well as acting as the mirror to reflect the highest=20 spiritual rays of=20 > the Sun during sleep -- to regenerate the life energy used up=20 during waking=20 > hours. >=20 > As I see it, all of that is easily explained, scientifically, by=20 analogy and=20 > correspondence -- from the standpoint of the ABC field's initial=20 radiation,=20 > fractal involution and subsequent evolution -- based on the second=20 fundamental=20 > principle of cyclic (harmonic) laws of electrodynamics... That act=20 in=20 > conjunction with the (first principle) ineffable zero-point origin=20 of mother SPACE with=20 > its abstract motion or spinergy, and the (third principle) ultimate=20 purpose=20 > of evolution, supported by reincarnation and karma. >=20 > So, maybe the bees are really our saviors -- both in the beginning=20 and ending=20 > of our lives on Earth.=20 >=20 > Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and perfectly in accord with the=20 theosophical=20 > teachings. >=20 > What do you think? >=20 > Len > P.S. And that doesn't let me off the hook either... Since back in=20 the early=20 > seventies, I was entrapreneurially working on starting a worldwide=20 cellphone=20 > empowered communication network. Was it my good karma to have=20 failed in all=20 > my previous enterprises leading to that one -- which also never=20 could be=20 > consummated due to my lack of sufficient personal wealth? Although,=20 there were=20 > plenty of other such electronic business startups that made it all=20 the way to=20 > the present morass of bee extermination, and ultimately, a goodly=20 portion of the=20 > human race... If that really is the cause, and not equally greed- driven,=20 > worldwide biochemical dispersion, global warming, etc. Either=20 way... Same=20 > difference. We did it to ourselves. And, by now, I think it's much=20 too late in=20 > the game to reverse any of it. Somehow, however, it makes me happy=20 to have=20 > been a technological business failure. =20 > In a message dated 5/2/07 10:02:51 AM, rpera@... writes: >=20 > >=20 > > Well, > > =C2=20 > > Blavatsky said that only bees, ants and rice made it to Earth=20 from the=20 > > Moon. I could never wrap my head around that =E2=80=9Cfrom the Moon=E2= =80=9D=20 stuff, but I have=20 > > always acknowledged another import of her statement: that bees=20 are ESSENTIAL=20 > > to life on this planet. > > =C2=20 > > The web of life is SO fragile.=C2 We got along without cell-phones=20 for long=20 > > enough after cars=E2=80=A6 d=E2=80=99ya think we could give them up to = save=20 life as we know=20 > > it?=C2 (Then again, perhaps it is that very thing, =E2=80=9Clife as we= =20 know it=E2=80=9D that=20 > > should not be saved=E2=80=A6) Either way, according to Einstein (one of= =20 your mentors) we > > =E2=80=99ve only got a few years left=E2=80=A6 Who would=E2=80=99a thun= k it would=20 happen this way?=C2=20=20 > > Oh, I=E2=80=99m sure a few people did.=C2=20 > > =C2=20 > > And there is a certain radical beauty about it: no =E2=80=9Cterrorist=20 threat=E2=80=9D, not=20 > > some =E2=80=9Cforeign dictator=E2=80=9D, no individual =E2=80=9Cevil ma= n=E2=80=9D, but=20 just us =E2=80" every one=20 > > of us phone-carrying humans is to blame =E2=80" innocently, and yet=20 collectively.=C2=20=20 > > We=E2=80=99ve =E2=80=9Ctechnologicized=E2=80=9D ourselves into oblivion= . That=E2=80=99s=20 been the=20 > > overriding =E2=80=9Cterror vision=E2=80=9D all along hasn=E2=80=99t it,= that we=E2=80=99d=20 do ourselves in?=C2 Hey, we=20 > > were right!=C2 I mean wrong=E2=80=A6 I mean right about being wrong.= =C2=20=20 Wrong-headed,=20 > > that is.=C2 Irresponsible, un-steward-like, rushing to permeate=20 the planet with=20 > > deadly, invisible, odorless micro-waves without first testing ALL=20 of the=20 > > possible fall-out.=C2=20 > > =C2=20 > > Why? > > =C2=20 > > Greed first, then convenience. Greed on the part of mega-corps=20 who saw how=20 > > marketing cell-phones to everyone and their sister would yield=20 unprecedented=20 > > profit, and our notion of convenience: never having to stop to=20 make a phone=20 > > call, and the seduction of the self-importance that luxury=20 engenders.=C2=20 > > =C2=20 > > What a price to pay for it! > > =C2=20 > > Oh well.=C2 It=E2=80=99ll be interesting to see just how selfish human= s=20 are when, in=20 > > a very short amount of time we=E2=80=99re all squarely faced with=20 letting go of=20 > > something we considered =E2=80=9CProgress=E2=80=9D but is in the end th= e=20 opposite! > > =C2=20 > > Its been a fun ride (sorta-kinda), > > Radames Pera > > =C2=20 > > =C2=20 > >=20 > > =C2=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LeonMaurer@... [mailto:LeonMaurer@...] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:47 PM > > To: undisclosed-recipients: > > Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? > > =C2=20 > > The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007. > > Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? > >=20 > > Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for=20 mysterious 'colony=20 > > collapse' of bees > >=20 > > By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross > >=20 > > It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film.=20 But some=20 > > scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause=20 massive food=20 > > shortages, as the world's harvests fail. > >=20 > > They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by=20 mobile=20 > > phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of=20 the more bizarre=20 > > mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt=20 disappearance of=20 > > the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers=20 claimed that=20 > > the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to=20 continental Europe -=20 > > was beginning to hit Britain as well. > >=20 > > The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with=20 bees'=20 > > navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the=20 psychophysical=20 > > sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species from=20 finding their way=20 > > back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now=20 evidence to back=20 > > this up. > >=20 > > Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants=20 suddenly=20 > > disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers,=20 like so many=20 > > apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but=20 thought to die=20 > > singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that=20 normally raid=20 > > the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go=20 anywhere=20 > > near the abandoned hives. > >=20 > > The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of=20 all=20 > > American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per=20 cent of its=20 > > commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East=20 Coast. > >=20 > > CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal,=20 Italy and=20 > > Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee- keepers,=20 > > announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned. > >=20 > > Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north- west=20 > > England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural=20 Affairs insisted:=20 > > "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK." > >=20 > > The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's=20 crops=20 > > depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if=20 the bees=20 > > disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left". > >=20 > > No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites,=20 pesticides,=20 > > global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have=20 drawbacks. > >=20 > > German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near=20 power=20 > > lines. > >=20 > > Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees=20 refuse to=20 > > return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr=20 Jochen Kuhn, who=20 > > carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible=20 cause. > >=20 > > Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government=20 and mobile=20 > > phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I=20 am convinced=20 > > the possibility is real." > >=20 > > The case against handsets > >=20 > > Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing.=20 But proof is=20 > > still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such=20 as cancer,=20 > > take decades to show up. > >=20 > > Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an=20 official=20 > > Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than=20 10 years were=20 > > 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as=20 they held=20 > > the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per=20 capita in Finland=20 > > than anywhere in the world.] > >=20 > > Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that=20 radiation from=20 > > mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's=20 teenagers could=20 > > go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they=20 already were.] > >=20 > > Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men=20 who use=20 > > mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more=20 prosaically, doctors=20 > > have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from=20 constant=20 > > texting. > >=20 > > Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official=20 inquiries, warned=20 > > that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a=20 series of safety=20 > > recommendations, largely ignored by ministers. > >=20 > >=20 > > ************************************** > > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From MarieMAJ41@aol.com Wed May 02 20:58:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MarieMAJ41@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88688 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 03:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 03:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 03:58:46 -0000 Received: from MarieMAJ41@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id r.d22.4b947d5 (48337) for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 23:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-md05 (webmail-md05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.143]) by ciaaol-d02.mail.aol.com (v115.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD025-bcd146395de02da; Wed, 02 May 2007 23:58:24 -0400 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:58:24 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25698 Received: from 24.1.227.155 by webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 May 2007 23:58:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8C95B4E6EEDE001-1258-8BD8@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.143 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: MarieMAJ41@aol.com Subject: Secrets of the Mayan Calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90655958; y=JIFq29x848kklgN2SoHllUz_ykaFMOmztDOjCl0QPzqxUibYWJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: olgamarie41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40519 Hello everyone. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Wed May 02 22:06:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16307 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 05:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 05:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.104) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 05:06:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 69259 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2007 05:06:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m46d5G0VM1nY9XsEpmlETprVsXbe3Hj.zUqwfs20g.M0GgtwcmtTnOZUx6TwHA6yetwxYQxCN0HVolxqxOsWzdfYqCIFZvV922pu.gKRJO5lSm7jtXE- Received: from [210.49.184.221] by web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2007 22:06:40 PDT Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:06:40 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <555747.68060.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Bees Knees X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=xoN1gUW1syIIvK8rh4Z-v-M9ote0s2Ja6igzsddOGUHgf9yuzA X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40520 No I don't thinks so Nigel, it keeps us grounded into intellectual debate. = I would think that newcomers to Theosophy would rightly say to themselves,= "they cannot even agree on the teachings". As far as I am concerned HPB w= as the messenger chosen, not Leadbeater, not Besant, not Bailey, so it is h= er teachings that I am loyal to. Without HPB there would not have been a t= heosophical society. If others choose to promote CWL et al, then I guess i= t will come down to their motives. As I said, I think the time has passed = when we can sit around and muse about right or wrong teachings. =20=20=20 People in the world are truly living in fear of the unexpected, especiall= y with the doom and gloom predicted by the new agers and the 2012 apocolyps= tics. They need a sound, cohesive, reliable philosophy that will assist th= em in whatever lies ahead for all of humanity. Even if we can only change = the fear-thinking of a few it will benefit all.=20=20 =20=20=20 HPB herself predicted major changes in the world. We can smugly sit back= and take comfort in knowing that if we do not survive the next 10 years we= will have more opportunities. What about those poor souls who are in spiri= tual limbo? =20=20=20 That's my views, I am not trying to push HPB down anyone's throats, but p= rovide an alternative viewpoint in relation to death and dying. =20=20=20 Cheers Cass nhcareyta wrote: Dear Cass If I may add a comment to your posting to Leon. Your write: >We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the=20 >general public. This is such an important statement and I (for what it's worth)=20 commend you for your sentiment. Indeed, some of us are doing that as=20 much and as best as we can. In so doing we must also challenge those who purport to be, but in=20 some part are clearly not, representing her works. When those misrepresentations and deceptions of "100 years ago" are=20 still to this day put forward as representing her work, do we not=20 need to clarify this for sake of theosophical inquirers and students? Regards Nigel --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > Leon > I am so glad you have brought up this issue. I get frustrated=20 when only receive mail about who said what, who did what 100 years=20 ago. It seems to me that the world is going quite mad at the moment=20 and as theosophists we are still dallying with the founders. Is this=20 truly what HPB wanted when she gave us the Ancient Teachings? >=20 > We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the=20 general public. I am busy on several forums which are curious about=20 what she actually had to say. >=20 > When I see Theos Talk all I can think is about Barbra=20 Streisand, "Talk amongst yourselves" >=20 > I think the time for study is over, it is now time for action.=20 Now time to walk the walk. >=20 > Cass >=20 >=20 > leonmaurer@... wrote: > Rad, >=20 > Guess that's the way it has to be. One way or the other, the planet=20 someday=20 > will have to be cleared of the bulk of its human population that=20 keeps=20 > increasing in greater and greater numbers to eventually reach a=20 point -- which is=20 > not too far off -- where the global ecoology can't support them and=20 their=20 > infrastructures any longer.=20 >=20 > Besides, isn't it necessary to make room for the new cycle of the=20 now=20 > infiltrating sixth family race -- with a higher level of=20 mental/moral (Buddhi=20 > nature) development -- so as to continue the human evolution to an=20 even higher=20 > level before the sixth subrace appears? (Or is it subrace and root=20 race?) I=20 > have no trouble wrapping my mind around that aspect of theosophical=20 teachings...=20 > Since the possibility of such round and race evolution it=20 describes, is=20 > perfectly consistent with the ABC model -- which sees evolution, on=20 all its levels,=20 > and particularly the physical, much like the "morphic resonance"=20 interaction=20 > of hyperspace morphogenetic or "morphic" fields, as explained by=20 Rupert=20 > Sheldrake in his book "A New science of Life." >=20 > Both Blavatsky and I (among many others, I suspect) thought this=20 culling=20 > could be caused by a sudden geographic pole shift, or series of=20 volcanic disasters=20 > due to intelligent nature reflecting back mankind's accumulated=20 evil=20 > thoughts. Or, if it occurred as the result of human actions -- we=20 could have=20 > anticipated a global warming and massive floods, a worldwide=20 pandemic, or a globally=20 > catastrophic nuclear war.=20 >=20 > Who would have thought it could be the lowly bees that were=20 destined (or=20 > chosen) to do the work? They gave us our nourishment, and now, they=20 seem to be=20 > taking away. >=20 > It's ironic... But looking at the way mankind's greed and ignorance=20 of their=20 > true nature have done it to themselves, it seems quite appropriate,=20 don't you=20 > think?=20 >=20 > Isn't the purpose of each of our lives, to learn the lessons that=20 we need to=20 > know to arrive at self realization and to achieve a "nucleus," then=20 a seed,=20 > and ultimately a tree -- as a universal brotherhood of all mankind - - so as to=20 > continue its further evolution toward its ultimate godlike nature -- with each=20 > of us a consciously aware part of it? Isn't that the ultimate=20 reward for all=20 > individual points of Mankind's consciousness on this globe who=20 manage to=20 > survive through the whole lifetime of the manvantara without losing=20 their=20 > conscience or inner light, and perhaps ending up isolated in the=20 world of dark matter?=20 > So, what's lost, if much of the current world population is starved=20 out of=20 > existence? Especially, since they are the one's who caused it.=20 Doesn't=20 > perfect justice in the form of karma, as you sow, so hall you reap,=20 rule the=20 > world? And, aren't the lives of our descendents as important as our=20 present=20 > lives? Especially, if such descendants could be part of the=20 incoming higher=20 > evolved mankind that we will ultimately be reborn into. Much food=20 for thought=20 > here, eh... Even for the skeptics -- who can't imagine or think=20 about any=20 > possibility of consciousness beyond their present material=20 lifetimes.=20 >=20 > BTW, the theosophical origin of the bees and the ants, along with=20 us -- as a=20 > necessary support of the ecology that, in turn, supports the=20 universal=20 > consciousness expressed in Man -- might make sense if we assume=20 that HPB was using a=20 > metaphor, i.e., Moon as a substitute for Mother or primal matter,=20 out of=20 > whose bosom all life arises and evolves. She also taught that the=20 physical moon=20 > was simply the shell of the dead Earth left over from a previous=20 > manifestation or Manvantara -- that was necessary to stay and=20 encircle around so as to=20 > help maintain the orbit of the earth, and support the circadian=20 rhythms of all=20 > life, as well as acting as the mirror to reflect the highest=20 spiritual rays of=20 > the Sun during sleep -- to regenerate the life energy used up=20 during waking=20 > hours. >=20 > As I see it, all of that is easily explained, scientifically, by=20 analogy and=20 > correspondence -- from the standpoint of the ABC field's initial=20 radiation,=20 > fractal involution and subsequent evolution -- based on the second=20 fundamental=20 > principle of cyclic (harmonic) laws of electrodynamics... That act=20 in=20 > conjunction with the (first principle) ineffable zero-point origin=20 of mother SPACE with=20 > its abstract motion or spinergy, and the (third principle) ultimate=20 purpose=20 > of evolution, supported by reincarnation and karma. >=20 > So, maybe the bees are really our saviors -- both in the beginning=20 and ending=20 > of our lives on Earth.=20 >=20 > Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and perfectly in accord with the=20 theosophical=20 > teachings. >=20 > What do you think? >=20 > Len > P.S. And that doesn't let me off the hook either... Since back in=20 the early=20 > seventies, I was entrapreneurially working on starting a worldwide=20 cellphone=20 > empowered communication network. Was it my good karma to have=20 failed in all=20 > my previous enterprises leading to that one -- which also never=20 could be=20 > consummated due to my lack of sufficient personal wealth? Although,=20 there were=20 > plenty of other such electronic business startups that made it all=20 the way to=20 > the present morass of bee extermination, and ultimately, a goodly=20 portion of the=20 > human race... If that really is the cause, and not equally greed- driven,=20 > worldwide biochemical dispersion, global warming, etc. Either=20 way... Same=20 > difference. We did it to ourselves. And, by now, I think it's much=20 too late in=20 > the game to reverse any of it. Somehow, however, it makes me happy=20 to have=20 > been a technological business failure. =20 > In a message dated 5/2/07 10:02:51 AM, rpera@... writes: >=20 > >=20 > > Well, > > =C2=20 > > Blavatsky said that only bees, ants and rice made it to Earth=20 from the=20 > > Moon. I could never wrap my head around that =E2=80=9Cfrom the Moon=E2= =80=9D=20 stuff, but I have=20 > > always acknowledged another import of her statement: that bees=20 are ESSENTIAL=20 > > to life on this planet. > > =C2=20 > > The web of life is SO fragile.=C2 We got along without cell-phones=20 for long=20 > > enough after cars=E2=80=A6 d=E2=80=99ya think we could give them up to = save=20 life as we know=20 > > it?=C2 (Then again, perhaps it is that very thing, =E2=80=9Clife as we= =20 know it=E2=80=9D that=20 > > should not be saved=E2=80=A6) Either way, according to Einstein (one of= =20 your mentors) we > > =E2=80=99ve only got a few years left=E2=80=A6 Who would=E2=80=99a thun= k it would=20 happen this way?=C2=20 > > Oh, I=E2=80=99m sure a few people did.=C2=20 > > =C2=20 > > And there is a certain radical beauty about it: no =E2=80=9Cterrorist=20 threat=E2=80=9D, not=20 > > some =E2=80=9Cforeign dictator=E2=80=9D, no individual =E2=80=9Cevil ma= n=E2=80=9D, but=20 just us =E2=80" every one=20 > > of us phone-carrying humans is to blame =E2=80" innocently, and yet=20 collectively.=C2=20 > > We=E2=80=99ve =E2=80=9Ctechnologicized=E2=80=9D ourselves into oblivion= . That=E2=80=99s=20 been the=20 > > overriding =E2=80=9Cterror vision=E2=80=9D all along hasn=E2=80=99t it,= that we=E2=80=99d=20 do ourselves in?=C2 Hey, we=20 > > were right!=C2 I mean wrong=E2=80=A6 I mean right about being wrong.=C2= =20 Wrong-headed,=20 > > that is.=C2 Irresponsible, un-steward-like, rushing to permeate=20 the planet with=20 > > deadly, invisible, odorless micro-waves without first testing ALL=20 of the=20 > > possible fall-out.=C2=20 > > =C2=20 > > Why? > > =C2=20 > > Greed first, then convenience. Greed on the part of mega-corps=20 who saw how=20 > > marketing cell-phones to everyone and their sister would yield=20 unprecedented=20 > > profit, and our notion of convenience: never having to stop to=20 make a phone=20 > > call, and the seduction of the self-importance that luxury=20 engenders.=C2=20 > > =C2=20 > > What a price to pay for it! > > =C2=20 > > Oh well.=C2 It=E2=80=99ll be interesting to see just how selfish humans= =20 are when, in=20 > > a very short amount of time we=E2=80=99re all squarely faced with=20 letting go of=20 > > something we considered =E2=80=9CProgress=E2=80=9D but is in the end th= e=20 opposite! > > =C2=20 > > Its been a fun ride (sorta-kinda), > > Radames Pera > > =C2=20 > > =C2=20 > >=20 > > =C2=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LeonMaurer@... [mailto:LeonMaurer@...] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:47 PM > > To: undisclosed-recipients: > > Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? > > =C2=20 > > The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007. > > Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? > >=20 > > Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for=20 mysterious 'colony=20 > > collapse' of bees > >=20 > > By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross > >=20 > > It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film.=20 But some=20 > > scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause=20 massive food=20 > > shortages, as the world's harvests fail. > >=20 > > They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by=20 mobile=20 > > phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of=20 the more bizarre=20 > > mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt=20 disappearance of=20 > > the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers=20 claimed that=20 > > the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to=20 continental Europe -=20 > > was beginning to hit Britain as well. > >=20 > > The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with=20 bees'=20 > > navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the=20 psychophysical=20 > > sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species from=20 finding their way=20 > > back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now=20 evidence to back=20 > > this up. > >=20 > > Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants=20 suddenly=20 > > disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers,=20 like so many=20 > > apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but=20 thought to die=20 > > singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that=20 normally raid=20 > > the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to go=20 anywhere=20 > > near the abandoned hives. > >=20 > > The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of=20 all=20 > > American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per=20 cent of its=20 > > commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East=20 Coast. > >=20 > > CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal,=20 Italy and=20 > > Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee- keepers,=20 > > announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned. > >=20 > > Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north- west=20 > > England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural=20 Affairs insisted:=20 > > "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK." > >=20 > > The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's=20 crops=20 > > depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if=20 the bees=20 > > disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left". > >=20 > > No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites,=20 pesticides,=20 > > global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have=20 drawbacks. > >=20 > > German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near=20 power=20 > > lines. > >=20 > > Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees=20 refuse to=20 > > return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr=20 Jochen Kuhn, who=20 > > carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible=20 cause. > >=20 > > Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government=20 and mobile=20 > > phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I=20 am convinced=20 > > the possibility is real." > >=20 > > The case against handsets > >=20 > > Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing.=20 But proof is=20 > > still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such=20 as cancer,=20 > > take decades to show up. > >=20 > > Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an=20 official=20 > > Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than=20 10 years were=20 > > 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as=20 they held=20 > > the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per=20 capita in Finland=20 > > than anywhere in the world.] > >=20 > > Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that=20 radiation from=20 > > mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's=20 teenagers could=20 > > go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they=20 already were.] > >=20 > > Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men=20 who use=20 > > mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more=20 prosaically, doctors=20 > > have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI from=20 constant=20 > > texting. > >=20 > > Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official=20 inquiries, warned=20 > > that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a=20 series of safety=20 > > recommendations, largely ignored by ministers. > >=20 > >=20 > > ************************************** > > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Wed May 02 22:08:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81103 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 05:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 05:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.111) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 05:08:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 95805 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2007 05:08:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p__UM0gVM1nKF188ETalETx0Ry9VXdfk.WeG0YhRbrmcG1EmlkZfY_N4bVpqK5N5Ug-- Received: from [210.49.184.221] by web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2007 22:08:06 PDT Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:08:06 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8C95B4E6EEDE001-1258-8BD8@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <51590.95799.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Secrets of the Mayan Calendar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=0tL3QyIR1kwqEgQBvKX953PBAE8ORxOLUK6U-HTFxW0gV_CHQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40521 Thanks Marie I will get to it this afternoon. Cass MarieMAJ41@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone. I just ran across this: Secrets of the Mayan Calendar Unveiled, Parts I, II, III. This is presented by Ian Xel Longold in 3 videos on google, each about 2hrs in length. Thisis very comprehensive and most interesting!!!. You can access this by googling the following: google video, then in the advanced search box, type in the title, you will find the videos that way. I highly recommend this very informative viewing for all people interested in the Mayan calendar, and the year 2012. Marie __________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au Thu May 03 01:50:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5251 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 08:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 08:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 08:49:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 08:48:48 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 08:48:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 08:48:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:48:47 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <555747.68060.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.166.243.16 From: "nhcareyta" Subject: Which Theosophy? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193856796; y=s8Sj9W6RUnGZwlMzrnfy4ev5WI9cE8_ZCG9LQ92lIqUzpu-D X-Yahoo-Profile: nhcareyta X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40522 Dear Cass Thank you for your response and interesting perspective. You write, "I would think that newcomers to Theosophy would rightly=20 say to themselves, "they cannot even agree on the teachings". Yes, you raise an eternal dilemma.=20 In pointing out the differing versions of theosophy, those of us who=20 think that Madame Blavatsky and her teachers shared the most=20 authentic, albeit necessarily imperfect version of Theosophy, create=20 not only the possibility of what you suggest for student/inquirers=20 but also run the risk of protesting too much and thereby creating an=20 allure for pseudo or neo-theosophy.=20 Moreover, we run the additional risks of generating antagonistic=20 energies which in themselves may potentially be counter-productive as=20 well as appearing as dogmatists ourselves. My decision to challenge obvious contradictions and deceptions in the=20 various literatures arises after observing the effects of pseudo/neo- theosophy on the mindsets of many people. Where Madame Blavatsky and=20 the Mahatmas' Theosophy encourages and facilitates an open, non- dogmatic and ever-inquiring mind to me, certain other later versions=20 do not. They are mostly authoritarian in style opening the way for=20 blind-minded obedience to their holy writ. This is not for me=20 the "new continent of thought" promoted by the Mahatmas and is not=20 that to which they were referring when Madame Blavatsky re-introduced=20 the term Theosophy to the modern age. It seems to me that so long as people blindly follow and accept=20 others' pronouncements, INCLUDING those of the Mahatmas and Madame=20 Blavatsky, we as a humanity will never fully think for ourselves and=20 will continue to think, speak and act largely from our often fear- based, habit, conditioned, reactive mindset produced and inherited=20 from skandhas, parents, school, peers, society and culture. Perhaps only when we truly liberate our minds will we see beyond=20 these distinctions and limitations and will indeed begin to develop a=20 nucleus of the Brotherhood (Unity) of humanity. Until then, many of=20 us will continue to follow like sheep whichever person, group or=20 organisation happens to tell us either that which we would like to=20 hear or how we would like things to be. In the meantime, please don't feel too "frustrated". We are each=20 doing what we think to be the right thing. Perhaps there is a place=20 for all honest and truthful avenues of approach? Thanks again Cass. Kind regards Nigel --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > No I don't thinks so Nigel, it keeps us grounded into intellectual=20 debate. I would think that newcomers to Theosophy would rightly say=20 to themselves, "they cannot even agree on the teachings". As far as=20 I am concerned HPB was the messenger chosen, not Leadbeater, not=20 Besant, not Bailey, so it is her teachings that I am loyal to.=20=20 Without HPB there would not have been a theosophical society. If=20 others choose to promote CWL et al, then I guess it will come down to=20 their motives. As I said, I think the time has passed when we can=20 sit around and muse about right or wrong teachings. >=20=20=20=20 > People in the world are truly living in fear of the unexpected,=20 especially with the doom and gloom predicted by the new agers and the=20 2012 apocolypstics. They need a sound, cohesive, reliable philosophy=20 that will assist them in whatever lies ahead for all of humanity.=20=20 Even if we can only change the fear-thinking of a few it will benefit=20 all.=20=20 >=20=20=20=20 > HPB herself predicted major changes in the world. We can smugly=20 sit back and take comfort in knowing that if we do not survive the=20 next 10 years we will have more opportunities. What about those poor=20 souls who are in spiritual limbo? >=20=20=20=20 > That's my views, I am not trying to push HPB down anyone's=20 throats, but provide an alternative viewpoint in relation to death=20 and dying. >=20=20=20=20 > Cheers > Cass >=20 > nhcareyta wrote: > Dear Cass > If I may add a comment to your posting to Leon. >=20 > Your write: >=20 > >We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the=20 > >general public. >=20 > This is such an important statement and I (for what it's worth)=20 > commend you for your sentiment. Indeed, some of us are doing that=20 as=20 > much and as best as we can. >=20 > In so doing we must also challenge those who purport to be, but in=20 > some part are clearly not, representing her works. >=20 > When those misrepresentations and deceptions of "100 years ago" are=20 > still to this day put forward as representing her work, do we not=20 > need to clarify this for sake of theosophical inquirers and=20 students? >=20 > Regards > Nigel >=20 > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote: > > > > Leon > > I am so glad you have brought up this issue. I get frustrated=20 > when only receive mail about who said what, who did what 100 years=20 > ago. It seems to me that the world is going quite mad at the moment=20 > and as theosophists we are still dallying with the founders. Is=20 this=20 > truly what HPB wanted when she gave us the Ancient Teachings? > >=20 > > We can only assist others if we get HPB's teachings out to the=20 > general public. I am busy on several forums which are curious about=20 > what she actually had to say. > >=20 > > When I see Theos Talk all I can think is about Barbra=20 > Streisand, "Talk amongst yourselves" > >=20 > > I think the time for study is over, it is now time for action.=20 > Now time to walk the walk. > >=20 > > Cass > >=20 > >=20 > > leonmaurer@ wrote: > > Rad, > >=20 > > Guess that's the way it has to be. One way or the other, the=20 planet=20 > someday=20 > > will have to be cleared of the bulk of its human population that=20 > keeps=20 > > increasing in greater and greater numbers to eventually reach a=20 > point -- which is=20 > > not too far off -- where the global ecoology can't support them=20 and=20 > their=20 > > infrastructures any longer.=20 > >=20 > > Besides, isn't it necessary to make room for the new cycle of the=20 > now=20 > > infiltrating sixth family race -- with a higher level of=20 > mental/moral (Buddhi=20 > > nature) development -- so as to continue the human evolution to=20 an=20 > even higher=20 > > level before the sixth subrace appears? (Or is it subrace and=20 root=20 > race?) I=20 > > have no trouble wrapping my mind around that aspect of=20 theosophical=20 > teachings...=20 > > Since the possibility of such round and race evolution it=20 > describes, is=20 > > perfectly consistent with the ABC model -- which sees evolution,=20 on=20 > all its levels,=20 > > and particularly the physical, much like the "morphic resonance"=20 > interaction=20 > > of hyperspace morphogenetic or "morphic" fields, as explained by=20 > Rupert=20 > > Sheldrake in his book "A New science of Life." > >=20 > > Both Blavatsky and I (among many others, I suspect) thought this=20 > culling=20 > > could be caused by a sudden geographic pole shift, or series of=20 > volcanic disasters=20 > > due to intelligent nature reflecting back mankind's accumulated=20 > evil=20 > > thoughts. Or, if it occurred as the result of human actions -- we=20 > could have=20 > > anticipated a global warming and massive floods, a worldwide=20 > pandemic, or a globally=20 > > catastrophic nuclear war.=20 > >=20 > > Who would have thought it could be the lowly bees that were=20 > destined (or=20 > > chosen) to do the work? They gave us our nourishment, and now,=20 they=20 > seem to be=20 > > taking away. > >=20 > > It's ironic... But looking at the way mankind's greed and=20 ignorance=20 > of their=20 > > true nature have done it to themselves, it seems quite=20 appropriate,=20 > don't you=20 > > think?=20 > >=20 > > Isn't the purpose of each of our lives, to learn the lessons that=20 > we need to=20 > > know to arrive at self realization and to achieve a "nucleus,"=20 then=20 > a seed,=20 > > and ultimately a tree -- as a universal brotherhood of all=20 mankind - > - so as to=20 > > continue its further evolution toward its ultimate godlike=20 nature -- > with each=20 > > of us a consciously aware part of it? Isn't that the ultimate=20 > reward for all=20 > > individual points of Mankind's consciousness on this globe who=20 > manage to=20 > > survive through the whole lifetime of the manvantara without=20 losing=20 > their=20 > > conscience or inner light, and perhaps ending up isolated in the=20 > world of dark matter?=20 > > So, what's lost, if much of the current world population is=20 starved=20 > out of=20 > > existence? Especially, since they are the one's who caused it.=20 > Doesn't=20 > > perfect justice in the form of karma, as you sow, so hall you=20 reap,=20 > rule the=20 > > world? And, aren't the lives of our descendents as important as=20 our=20 > present=20 > > lives? Especially, if such descendants could be part of the=20 > incoming higher=20 > > evolved mankind that we will ultimately be reborn into. Much food=20 > for thought=20 > > here, eh... Even for the skeptics -- who can't imagine or think=20 > about any=20 > > possibility of consciousness beyond their present material=20 > lifetimes.=20 > >=20 > > BTW, the theosophical origin of the bees and the ants, along with=20 > us -- as a=20 > > necessary support of the ecology that, in turn, supports the=20 > universal=20 > > consciousness expressed in Man -- might make sense if we assume=20 > that HPB was using a=20 > > metaphor, i.e., Moon as a substitute for Mother or primal matter,=20 > out of=20 > > whose bosom all life arises and evolves. She also taught that the=20 > physical moon=20 > > was simply the shell of the dead Earth left over from a previous=20 > > manifestation or Manvantara -- that was necessary to stay and=20 > encircle around so as to=20 > > help maintain the orbit of the earth, and support the circadian=20 > rhythms of all=20 > > life, as well as acting as the mirror to reflect the highest=20 > spiritual rays of=20 > > the Sun during sleep -- to regenerate the life energy used up=20 > during waking=20 > > hours. > >=20 > > As I see it, all of that is easily explained, scientifically, by=20 > analogy and=20 > > correspondence -- from the standpoint of the ABC field's initial=20 > radiation,=20 > > fractal involution and subsequent evolution -- based on the=20 second=20 > fundamental=20 > > principle of cyclic (harmonic) laws of electrodynamics... That=20 act=20 > in=20 > > conjunction with the (first principle) ineffable zero-point=20 origin=20 > of mother SPACE with=20 > > its abstract motion or spinergy, and the (third principle)=20 ultimate=20 > purpose=20 > > of evolution, supported by reincarnation and karma. > >=20 > > So, maybe the bees are really our saviors -- both in the=20 beginning=20 > and ending=20 > > of our lives on Earth.=20 > >=20 > > Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and perfectly in accord with the=20 > theosophical=20 > > teachings. > >=20 > > What do you think? > >=20 > > Len > > P.S. And that doesn't let me off the hook either... Since back in=20 > the early=20 > > seventies, I was entrapreneurially working on starting a=20 worldwide=20 > cellphone=20 > > empowered communication network. Was it my good karma to have=20 > failed in all=20 > > my previous enterprises leading to that one -- which also never=20 > could be=20 > > consummated due to my lack of sufficient personal wealth?=20 Although,=20 > there were=20 > > plenty of other such electronic business startups that made it=20 all=20 > the way to=20 > > the present morass of bee extermination, and ultimately, a goodly=20 > portion of the=20 > > human race... If that really is the cause, and not equally greed- > driven,=20 > > worldwide biochemical dispersion, global warming, etc. Either=20 > way... Same=20 > > difference. We did it to ourselves. And, by now, I think it's=20 much=20 > too late in=20 > > the game to reverse any of it. Somehow, however, it makes me=20 happy=20 > to have=20 > > been a technological business failure. >=20 > > In a message dated 5/2/07 10:02:51 AM, rpera@ writes: > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Well, > > > =C2=20 > > > Blavatsky said that only bees, ants and rice made it to Earth=20 > from the=20 > > > Moon. I could never wrap my head around that =E2=80=9Cfrom the=20 Moon=E2=80=9D=20 > stuff, but I have=20 > > > always acknowledged another import of her statement: that bees=20 > are ESSENTIAL=20 > > > to life on this planet. > > > =C2=20 > > > The web of life is SO fragile.=C2 We got along without cell- phones=20 > for long=20 > > > enough after cars=E2=80=A6 d=E2=80=99ya think we could give them up t= o save=20 > life as we know=20 > > > it?=C2 (Then again, perhaps it is that very thing, =E2=80=9Clife as w= e=20 > know it=E2=80=9D that=20 > > > should not be saved=E2=80=A6) Either way, according to Einstein (one= =20 of=20 > your mentors) we > > > =E2=80=99ve only got a few years left=E2=80=A6 Who would=E2=80=99a th= unk it would=20 > happen this way?=C2=20 > > > Oh, I=E2=80=99m sure a few people did.=C2=20 > > > =C2=20 > > > And there is a certain radical beauty about it: no =E2=80=9Cterrorist= =20 > threat=E2=80=9D, not=20 > > > some =E2=80=9Cforeign dictator=E2=80=9D, no individual =E2=80=9Cevil = man=E2=80=9D, but=20 > just us =E2=80" every one=20 > > > of us phone-carrying humans is to blame =E2=80" innocently, and yet=20 > collectively.=C2=20 > > > We=E2=80=99ve =E2=80=9Ctechnologicized=E2=80=9D ourselves into oblivi= on. That=E2=80=99s=20 > been the=20 > > > overriding =E2=80=9Cterror vision=E2=80=9D all along hasn=E2=80=99t i= t, that=20 we=E2=80=99d=20 > do ourselves in?=C2 Hey, we=20 > > > were right!=C2 I mean wrong=E2=80=A6 I mean right about being wrong.= =C2=20 > Wrong-headed,=20 > > > that is.=C2 Irresponsible, un-steward-like, rushing to permeate=20 > the planet with=20 > > > deadly, invisible, odorless micro-waves without first testing=20 ALL=20 > of the=20 > > > possible fall-out.=C2=20 > > > =C2=20 > > > Why? > > > =C2=20 > > > Greed first, then convenience. Greed on the part of mega-corps=20 > who saw how=20 > > > marketing cell-phones to everyone and their sister would yield=20 > unprecedented=20 > > > profit, and our notion of convenience: never having to stop to=20 > make a phone=20 > > > call, and the seduction of the self-importance that luxury=20 > engenders.=C2=20 > > > =C2=20 > > > What a price to pay for it! > > > =C2=20 > > > Oh well.=C2 It=E2=80=99ll be interesting to see just how selfish huma= ns=20 > are when, in=20 > > > a very short amount of time we=E2=80=99re all squarely faced with=20 > letting go of=20 > > > something we considered =E2=80=9CProgress=E2=80=9D but is in the end = the=20 > opposite! > > > =C2=20 > > > Its been a fun ride (sorta-kinda), > > > Radames Pera > > > =C2=20 > > > =C2=20 > > >=20 > > > =C2=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: LeonMaurer@ [mailto:LeonMaurer@] > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:47 PM > > > To: undisclosed-recipients: > > > Subject: Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? > > > =C2=20 > > > The Independent newspaper (London), 15 April 2007. > > > Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? > > >=20 > > > Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for=20 > mysterious 'colony=20 > > > collapse' of bees > > >=20 > > > By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross > > >=20 > > > It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror=20 film.=20 > But some=20 > > > scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could=20 cause=20 > massive food=20 > > > shortages, as the world's harvests fail. > > >=20 > > > They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by=20 > mobile=20 > > > phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of=20 > the more bizarre=20 > > > mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt=20 > disappearance of=20 > > > the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some bee-keepers=20 > claimed that=20 > > > the phenomenon - which started in the US, then spread to=20 > continental Europe -=20 > > > was beginning to hit Britain as well. > > >=20 > > > The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with=20 > bees'=20 > > > navigation systems [cf. the honeybee 'waggle' dance in the=20 > psychophysical=20 > > > sixth-dimension], preventing the famously homeloving species=20 from=20 > finding their way=20 > > > back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now=20 > evidence to back=20 > > > this up. > > >=20 > > > Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants=20 > suddenly=20 > > > disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature=20 workers,=20 > like so many=20 > > > apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but=20 > thought to die=20 > > > singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees=20 that=20 > normally raid=20 > > > the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies, refuse to=20 go=20 > anywhere=20 > > > near the abandoned hives. > > >=20 > > > The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half=20 of=20 > all=20 > > > American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per=20 > cent of its=20 > > > commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East=20 > Coast. > > >=20 > > > CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal,=20 > Italy and=20 > > > Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest bee- > keepers,=20 > > > announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned. > > >=20 > > > Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and=20 north- > west=20 > > > England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural=20 > Affairs insisted:=20 > > > "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK." > > >=20 > > > The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the=20 world's=20 > crops=20 > > > depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that=20 if=20 > the bees=20 > > > disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left". > > >=20 > > > No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites,=20 > pesticides,=20 > > > global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have=20 > drawbacks. > > >=20 > > > German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes=20 near=20 > power=20 > > > lines. > > >=20 > > > Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees=20 > refuse to=20 > > > return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr=20 > Jochen Kuhn, who=20 > > > carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible=20 > cause. > > >=20 > > > Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US=20 government=20 > and mobile=20 > > > phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties,=20 said: "I=20 > am convinced=20 > > > the possibility is real." > > >=20 > > > The case against handsets > > >=20 > > > Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing.=20 > But proof is=20 > > > still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such=20 > as cancer,=20 > > > take decades to show up. > > >=20 > > > Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an=20 > official=20 > > > Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more=20 than=20 > 10 years were=20 > > > 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side=20 as=20 > they held=20 > > > the handset. [BEB: from memory, there are more handsets per=20 > capita in Finland=20 > > > than anywhere in the world.] > > >=20 > > > Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that=20 > radiation from=20 > > > mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's=20 > teenagers could=20 > > > go senile in the prime of their lives. [BEB: I thought they=20 > already were.] > > >=20 > > > Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that=20 men=20 > who use=20 > > > mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more=20 > prosaically, doctors=20 > > > have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI=20 from=20 > constant=20 > > > texting. > > >=20 > > > Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official=20 > inquiries, warned=20 > > > that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a=20 > series of safety=20 > > > recommendations, largely ignored by ministers. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ************************************** > > > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > >=20 > >=20 > > ************************************** > > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From Sven04@comhem.se Thu May 03 08:36:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: Sven04@comhem.se X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12490 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 15:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 15:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net) (80.76.149.212) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 15:36:28 -0000 Received: from c83-253-205-189.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.205.189]:1257 helo=sveinn-fp1krz97.comhem.se) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hjd6g-0001BP-3I for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 May 2007 17:20:34 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:18:43 +0200 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Authenticated: u13406688@ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 29851d6d68e0cd77c3be340a01e6cb02 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Hjd6g-0001BP-3I. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1Hjd6g-0001BP-3I be7b5ee9d3e5d7163562a131761d9e5d X-Originating-IP: 80.76.149.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Sveinn Freyr Subject: Multiple star generations - X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288703295; y=uzgqtHhNsTq-lADfX13Jh8tcYI_PUChrI4xpoTRWhxX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: ari343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40523 Interesting observations: - S. F. ~~~~~~ Hubble sees multiple star generations in a globular cluster. 2 May 2007 "Hubble's observations of the massive globular cluster NGC 2808 provide evidence for three generations of stars that formed early in its life. This is a major upset for conventional theories that propose a single period of star birth." "We had never imagined that anything like this could happen," "Such a finding, so close to home has deep cosmological implications. "We need to solve the puzzle to understand how stars formed in distant galaxies in our early Universe," More at: http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMGXYSM41F_index_0.html ~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Thu May 03 08:53:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49151 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 15:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 15:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.225) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 15:52:42 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t13so462746wxc for ; Thu, 03 May 2007 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SvTfX2ahY16IKUuu+p65uy3ix//1agFIAErv6FCvG+vuCvJFz2VsPs42sPJ759Hq25mlXpGnGhdaToh4kpNxvs2wdUN2jRXzd3UpL7heezyQJozCj/Xi3BlLFcgYoXcaqdCgJg6NEa2rxJYATLNRJvq++OQiwwe2OMM6eqgWd3o= Received: by 10.90.98.3 with SMTP id v3mr1974990agb.1178207557121; Thu, 03 May 2007 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.89.19 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2007 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:52:37 -0500 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <555747.68060.qm@web52101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "M K Ramadoss" Subject: Re: Theos-World Which Theosophy? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636; y=rjg6q3YdOQQnVaZJ6ILUPvGG8iTpaG30sWtjwm3GiZ9USNXUfUQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40524 Just a few days back I read HPB writing about the difficulty making people think for themselves (I can't immediately quote the passage) and the importance of making people think for themselves. When one is constantly exposed to a set of ideas day in day out, a kind of unconscious brain washing takes place that even very learned and intelligent persons find it hard to realize (they may be even leaders and PhDs). All organizations want conformity and obedient followers and that makes it easy to run the orgn. Some of these individuals sometimes try to use principles such as Karma to make the followers conform. One time, a well know leader in one of the organizations made a very subtle attempt to do so to me and I saw thru it. We need more independent thinkers who are also independent in the sense they are not looking for fame or power or public or organizational acceptance, since most organizations try to influence the thinking and action thru subtle incentives (monetary or in-kind) for conformity of the follower. My 0.02. mkr. On 5/3/07, nhcareyta wrote: > > It seems to me that so long as people blindly follow and accept > others' pronouncements, INCLUDING those of the Mahatmas and Madame > Blavatsky, we as a humanity will never fully think for ourselves and > will continue to think, speak and act largely from our often fear- > based, habit, conditioned, reactive mindset produced and inherited > from skandhas, parents, school, peers, society and culture. > > Perhaps only when we truly liberate our minds will we see beyond > these distinctions and limitations and will indeed begin to develop a > nucleus of the Brotherhood (Unity) of humanity. Until then, many of > us will continue to follow like sheep whichever person, group or > organisation happens to tell us either that which we would like to > hear or how we would like things to be.._._,___ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Thu May 03 10:36:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76171 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 17:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 17:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.186) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 17:36:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 17:36:02 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 17:36:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 17:36:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:36:01 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.28.214 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: H.P.B. did NOT hesitate to point out Pseudo-Theosophy.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=-HEZa4T7IaL7A-79n7gCeifjwiuiG_JeoLV0VOwVHXNNGeurvQGVC1SA X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40525 H.P.Blavatsky did NOT hesitate to point out Pseudo-Theosophy. Notice what HPB wrote: "=85If the 'false prophets of Theosophy' are to be left untouched, the true prophets will be very soon--as they have already been--confused with the false. It is nigh time to winnow our corn and cast away the chaff." "=85 We do not believe in allowing the presence of sham elements in Theosophy, because of the fear, forsooth, that if even 'a false element in the faith' is ridiculed, the latter 'is apt to shake the confidence' in the whole=85." STRONG WORDS, no doubt. And elsewhere HPB wrote: "...The great evil of the whole thing is, not that the truths of Theosophy are adopted by these blind teachers, for we should gladly welcome any spread, by whatever means, of ideals so powerful to wean the world from its dire materialism - but that they are so interwoven with mis-statements and absurdities that the wheat cannot be winnowed from the chaff, and ridicule, if not worse, is brought to bear upon. . . [the Theosophical] movement. . . ." Or take these words of H.P.B: "Great are the desecrations to which the names of two of the Masters have been subjected. There is hardly a medium who has not claimed to have seen them. Every bogus swindling Society, for commercial purposes, now claims to be guided and directed by 'Masters' often supposed to be far higher than ours!...." The Key to Theosophy, original edition, p. 301. "The publication of many of the facts herein stated has been rendered necessary by the wild and fanciful speculation in which many Theosophists and students of mysticism have indulged...." The Secret Doctrine, original edition, Vol. I, p. viii. "... A new and rapidly growing danger...is threatening...the spread of the pure Esoteric Philosophy and knowledge....I allude to those charlatanesque imitations of Occultism and Theosophy....By pandering to the prejudices of people, and especially by adopting the false ideas of a personal God and a personal, carnalized Saviour, as the groundwork of their teaching, the leaders of this 'swindle' (for such it is) are endeavoring to draw men to them and in particular to turn Theosophists from the true path." E.S. Instruction No. I., 1890 edition, p. 2. Now if all of this was happening during the years when HPB wrote the above statements, one should not be surprised if such claims, etc. CONTINUED to happen after she died when she would not be available to warn students. In fact, from a study of the decades following HPB's death, one can see that such claims, etc. grew and grew and GREW.... Also consider the warnings given by H.P.B.'s Teachers. See a selection of some of these at: http://blavatskyarchives.com/psychicversusinitiate.htm And more material from H.P.B's pen on the above subject matter can be found at: http://blavatskyarchives.com/onpseudotheosophy.htm http://blavatskyarchives.com/latermessengers.htm http://blavatskyarchives.com/theosophicaltraditions.htm If one believes in the bonafides of HPB and her Masters and of their teachings, etc.,, then I would suggest that their words on this particular topic are worthy of careful consideration and serious discussion. Daniel http://hpb.cc =20 From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Thu May 03 10:45:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22860 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 17:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 17:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 17:45:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 17:44:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 17:44:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:44:07 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.28.214 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: Claims of being in Contact with H.P.B.'s Masters Part 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=nswICuOGwRpa7mcmlKWCH2pn__gbGmPxv6Y_1__oh0wX7UqC6t6RNkwq X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40526 Claims of being in=20 Contact with H.P.B.'s Masters=20=20=20 In 1884, the Theosophist A.P. Sinnett, who was the major recipient of "The Mahatma Letters," believed he was in contact with the Master Koot Hoomi, INDEPENDENT of H.P.B. acting as mediator. Sinnett wrote in his book "The Early Days of Theosophy": "About this time [early July 1884] Mrs. Holloway, a wonderfully gifted American psychic came to stay with us. . . . .She used to get vivid clairvoyant visions of the Master [Koot Hoomi], - could pass on messages to me from K.H. and on one occasion he actually made use of her to speak to me in the first person." p. 27 But the Master K.H. (in a letter received by Mr. Sinnett on July 18, 1884) pronounced Sinnett's claim FALSE and UNTRUE: "You ask me if you can tell Miss Arundale what I told you thro' Mrs. H[olloway]. . . . . .[But] I have never . . . communicated with you or any one else thro' her. . . . . She is an excellent but quite undeveloped clairvoyante. . . . ." The Mahatma Letters, 2nd ed., p. 355 During this same summer, Master KH wrote to Mrs. Holloway: "Your vivid creative fancy [imagination] evokes illusive Gurus and chelas, and puts into their mouths words coined the instant before in the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself. The false appear as real, as the true, and you have no exact method of detection since you are yet prone to force your communications to agree with your preconceptions. . . . " "Mrs. Holloway and the Mahatmas," Letter 17. Despite this emphatic denial by K.H., Sinnett persisted in searching for another "channel" to the Master INDEPENDENT of H.P.B. In "The Autobiography of Alfred Percy Sinnett," he wrote: "On the 26th of April 1886. . . we went . . . to the Albemarle Club . . . to meet a lady who was . . . desirous of making my acquaintance . . . . . I will give her a fictitious name and call her Mary. . . . shortly afterwards I tried a mesmeric experiment with her (in accordance with her wish) and obtained remarkable results - she went very easily into a trance in which she became unequivocally clairvoyant. . . .I became convinced that she clairvoyantly saw the mountain region in Tibet where the Master K.H. resided. . . . . It became obvious that Mary might become a link between myself and the Master. . . . . Mary came to stay with us . . . in February 1888 and our regular mesmeric sittings were resumed almost every evening, the Master [KH] talking to me through her in most cases. In this way I gathered a great deal of miscellaneous occult information. . . . . Mary left us to go to her own home in May 1888 having had mesmeric sitting almost every evening while she was with us, at most of which the Master spoke to me, - or rather dictated to her what he wished to say. She would pass into a higher condition in which she could be in touch with him and be enabled to repeat his words to her in reply to my questions or remarks." pp 33 & 38-39 Again Master KH in a letter (dated August 22, 1888) to Colonel Henry S. Olcott DENIED Sinnett's claim: "Since 1885 I have not written, nor caused to be written save thro' her [HPB's] agency, direct or remote, a letter or line to anybody in Europe or America, nor communicated orally with, or thro' any third party. Theosophists should learn it." "You will understand later the significance of this declaration so keep it in mind. Her [HPB's] fidelity to our work being constant, and her sufferings having come upon her thro' it, neither I nor either of my Brother associates will desert or supplant her." "Letters from the Masters of the Wisdom," Series I, 1973, p. 45 Mr. Sinnett also IGNORED this warning preferring to believe that he was in contact with the real Master K.H. thru the same individual (Mary) mentioned above. After H.P. Blavatsky's death in 1891, numerous OTHER individuals have claimed to be in contact with her Adept Teachers and have stated that they were new "messengers" of the Masters conveying even more esoteric teachings from the Masters. Daniel Blavatsky Study Center http://blavatskyarchives.com =20 From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Thu May 03 10:53:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17552 invoked from network); 3 May 2007 17:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2007 17:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2007 17:53:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 17:53:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2007 17:53:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:53:24 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.28.214 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: Claims of being in Contact with H.P.B.'s Masters Part 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=xNn7JQoPGU3LP9vmMcg59y-YleyC3a632Paqf-njrQyp6Ez0XeZY6hv8 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 40527 Claims of being in=20 Contact with H.P.B.'s Masters Part 2 In a letter dated Sept. 14, 1888, H.P. Blavatsky wrote the following to the American Theosophist John Ransom Bridge: "For the past 12 years I have been imparting, & transmitting esoteric teachings without enacting any pledge or imposing conditions to several =97 more or less known individuals among others =97 a few Hindus. Since the explosion of the infamous Hodgson & Coulomb conspiracy against me some of my ex-pupils ill-grounded in the theosophical spirit, have, for various reasons deserted me, after posing for chelas. The latter attitude they would not abandon, however. "Hence since that time, they have been giving out travestied versions of the esoteric philosophy, composed of one part of truths, & three parts misconceptions & conceit. Thus great confusion, & contradictory statements have been made in print, all of which have been pitched back upon my unfortunate head. "Not only that, but with the idea of making themselves more important they have pretended that my occult knowledge had faded away during my illness; that even Masters have turned away from me to them, & that I was now the prey of Elementals & half-fledged chelas! "Many, however, wish me to continue my instructions. But I am not willing to do so, save under restrictions shown by experience to be necessary. I am determined not to permit any longer the Master's names to be desecrated & dragged in the mire of idiotic criticism." Quoted from: http://blavatskyarchives.com/hpbjrb.htm Concerning Mme. Blavatsky's above statement that reads: "...they have pretended that my occult knowledge had faded away during my illness; that even Masters have turned away from me to them, & that I was now the prey of Elementals & half-fledged chelas! !" COMPARE what Mahatma Koot Hoomi had written to Colonel Henry S. Olcott just three weeks BEFORE the above was penned: [August 22, 1888] "...we employ agents -- the best available. Of these for the past thirty years the chief has been the personality known as H. P. B. to the world (but otherwise to us). Imperfect and very troublesome, no doubt, she proves to some, nevertheless, there is no likelihood of our finding a better one for years to come -- and your theosophists should be made to understand it.... "...Her fidelity to our work being constant, and her sufferings having come upon her thro' it, neither I nor either of my Brother associates will desert or supplant her.... "...this you must tell to all: -- With occult matters she has everything to do. We have not abandoned her; she is not 'given over to chelas.' She is our direct agent.... "I have also noted, your thoughts about the 'Secret Doctrine.' Be assured that what she has not annotated from scientific and other works, we have given or suggested to her. Every mistake or erroneous notion, corrected and explained by her from the works of other theosophists was corrected by me, or under my instruction. . . . K.H." Quoted from: Letters from the Masters of the Wisdo