From proto37@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 05:26:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: proto37@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@egroups.com Received: (qmail 78711 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 12:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 12:23:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.212) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 12:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 81318 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2006 12:23:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20061001122319.81316.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.131.54.22] by web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 05:23:19 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 05:23:19 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mark Jaqua Subject: Farce on "Lives of Alcyone" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130276474; y=eusY8AoleSpqimFXlAZQh0Q0uC4zVvBfu4vxJz6oGLCblw X-Yahoo-Profile: proto37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36215 Farce on "Lives of Alcyone" Although long, I thought I'd send in this Farce from the 1920's Australian theosophical Magazine "Dawn" on Leadbeater's book of the various reincarnations of neo-theosophists "The Lives of Alcyone." (Including CWL's famous "sin-twister" for getting rid of unwanted karma!) - jake j. --------- HUMORESQUE It was the sacred month of Yam, in the year 24,872, after the engulfing of Atlantis in the time of this, our fifth sub-race of the great fifth root-race. On the bosom of the ocean darkness lay like a sable mantle, for it was midnight and the moon was in the shadow. Near the month of a mystic river, unsullied by the gaze of earth's profane, a ship rode at anchor, her sails set, and stirring in the summer breeze. At just the hour of twelve a bell, low, vibrant, rang out across the water, and instantly a little boat, in which were three shrouded figures, pushed out from shore. No one saw, save a solitary watcher standing motionless at the prow of the anchored vessel. "'Tis well, they come." he murmured. The little boat drew near. Without a word the three figures instantly mounted the ship's ladder and joined the silent watcher. This was no ordinary group of individuals, and this was no commonplace meeting, for each person, though of an entirely different type, seemed to vibrate with the fire of one intense purpose. They were none other than the Sacred Quadrangle, Keepers of the Eseehe Ittegaps. Trebmemac, the Silent Watcher, agile, sensitive, alert, raised his hand in greeting. "Hail. Ztnarkredeil! faithful server of the Eggbeaters; and thou, Trofeuqcor; and thou, Regrubmil; Sisters of the Eseehe Ittegaps; hail! hail!" "Hail, Trebmemac! Brother of the Sacred Quadrangle. All honor to thy August Benigness," replied the three. Trofeuqcor, the taller and more stately of the two women, spoke. "The Lords of Amrak have decreed that once again the Sacred hour shall be called together to protect and provide for their eternal charges, the faithful band of Eggbeaters. Speak, Trebmemac, for the Lords of Amrak have made thee their messenger." "Yea, proceed, Brother Trebmemac," said Ztnarkredeil in deep, low tones. "Thou knowest," began Trebmemac, "that we, the keepers of the Eseehe Ittegaps, have not been called to earth since the year 179,463 B.C., at the time of the inundation of Pous Naeb, of the continent of Tuarkruas From the innermost recesses of Devachan we have been brought, for the Lords of the Eeaf Krad have sent forth their hosts, and we must indeed make sure that our charges shall be provided with safe passage to other planes; otherwise they perish with earth's profane." "Ugh," shuddered Regrubmil, the slight, dark woman of the four, "mention not the pariah. It gives me feels." "You know that this tie which we endure with these our younger brothers, the Eggbeaters," continued Trebmemac, "was made on the planet Venus, when we were all amoeba in the paleozoic ooze. Some splashing dipthoogerm with hulking tread, stepped heavily upon us, stamping us into the underlying mud. To this day our mortal remains lie petrified in the footprint of the monster. Until that form is destroyed and our shells released, we shall be bound to the Eggbeaters, ever responsible for their safety. "Thou speakest truly, Brother," said Ztnarkredeil, "so let us execute the will of the Lords of Amrak. " Turning to Trofeuqcor, Trebmemac said solemnly, "The hour has come. Produce the Ancient Bones.'' Whereupon Trofeuqcor, drawing a shining metal case from her bosom, took from it three round bones; the bones of the left hind foot of the faithful mastodon that had borne the Reverend Fudgewood across the frontiers of Atlantis on his ministerial journeyings. A breath of satisfaction escaped from the lips of all. Instantly the sails filled to bursting, the anchor raised itself and slipped noiselessly upon the deck. Quicker than thought the vessel sped over the waves, coming to rest in the limpid waters of a southern sea. Ztnarkredeil spoke. "Proceed, Brother Trebmemac," he said. Trebmemac then produced a small tin-can fastened to a long string. This he cast overboard, filled it with water, and raised it again to the deck. With great reverence he offered it to Trofeuqcor, who immediately dipped her right forefinger into it. "The water, Sister, is it wet?" asked Trebmemac. "It is, August One," answered Trofeuqcor. "And salt?"' "To the last drop, Benign One." "Enough! Thou hast reasoned well. This is the sacred spot!" "Hush," said Regrubmil, "for I feel." The Quadrangle remained motionless, waiting, and watching intently Regrubmil's arms, for the flesh was quivering. "It is well," she murmured at last, "we are now directly over the Sunken City of Pous Naeb. Let us summon the silent watchers below, our Brothers of the Order of the Rats in the Yeast." Almost instantly there rose out of the watery deluges, the High Priests of the Sunken City. Surrounded they were by a glowing vapor so that the moisture of the sea affected them not at all. Quickly they came toward the Sacred Four, but Ztnarkredeil, with imperious gesture, cried, "Hold, Brothers of the Order of the Rats in the Yeast, there is the smell of fish on you." "Just a school of blues, oh, August One,''' assured Srekcare Tun, the eldest Brother of the Order, "A school of blues which we passed through as we rose on the wings of the ether. Fear not; our vows are inviolate. We taste no flesh." "Then 'tis well." said Trebmemac, "we can proceed immediately to business. We have come together once again, in keeping with our ancient custom, and in obedience to the Lords of Amrak, for the welfare of our younger brothers, the Eggbeaters is endangered. You who have sworn to be faithful to the Eseehe Ittegaps have had entrusted to you the futures of these brothers. We have come to hear thy report. But first must we summon them into the presence of this mighty company, for thereby their evolution will be greatly hastened. Trofeuqcor, the call!" Whereupon the statuesque Trofeuqcor sent forth over the waters a note that sounded like the humming of bees on the wheat fields of Venus. "Hark, they come," said Trebmemac. And silently, one by one, they came wrapped in deepest slumber, and stood at the feet of the Sacred Four. When they were all assembled there was a flourish without, and lo, in their very midst there materialized the awesome form of Zincwhacker, greatest of seers, carrying his faithful telescope for reading the Ashcana, and followed by his Sin Twister, the Mystic Einna. After saluting reverently the Sacred Four, they greeted lovingly their Brother Rats in the Yeast. With imperious mein, Einna then turned to the Eggbeaters, "Awake, oh ye that slumber!" she cried in trumpet tones. A general stampede followed, but order was quickly regained as they appeared to be easily controlled. Then Ztnarkredeil, stepping forward, addressed them thus: "You have been privileged to appear in this eminent assembly because of the tie that exists between you and the Sacred Quadrangle. Know that at one time we were all amoeba in the mud of Venus. In some way, by fair means or foul, we got the drop on you and won the first heat. Thus you have been given into our charge, so that in the days of terror that are to come upon the earth you may he spared the fate that awaits the rest of humanity. You will be conveyed to other spheres by the Brothers of the Order of the Rats in the Yeast. You will now bear the fates that await you." Intense silence followed, Srekcare Tun, High Priest of the Order, solemnly approached the Eggbeaters. In his hands he held a tablet of pure gold, from which he read as follows: "C. A. Jinrickey, faithful server of the simple-minded we have secured for you a commission to organize group-souls for the nut trees at Shanty Bunkshooter, the Headquarters of the Order or the Rats in the Yeast, and we have so arranged with the Lords of Amrak that these trees shall individualize into lush, vigorous Rats in the Yeast in their next incarnations." "Unsurpassable," murmured the Quadrangle. while C.A. Jinrickey was nearly overcome. "Solace Heavens Daily," announced the High Priest, "For you is building a hall where you may speak without interruption for a thousand years. At the end of this period you will have suficient time - and ouija boards - to complete your great works, 'Shooting the Shoots to Adeptship,' and 'Who's Who on Jupiter, or How to Get On the Inside Track.'" Roarington the Silent was the next addressed. The tense throbbing pause that followed was broken by the voice of Trebmemac, uttering these unwhispered secrets: "They'll give him an island in the sea Where he shall reign eternally; With Merrie Hoots for his queen bee There'll be a busy hive for the X.Y.Z." "Hodge-podgers, martyred one," said the High Priest tenderly, "there is a book concern and lecture hall complete, being prepared for you on Saturn, with a rule inviolate that it costs one dollar to get in, and two to get out. No questions will be allowed after the lecture. This will give you plenty of time to sell your books and count the collection. Unlike your colleagues, who seem to be inclined to lecture in petticoats, you will appear in running pants. This will facilitate your passing back and forth from book table to collection box." Here the voice of Trebmemac was once more heard chanting: "They thrice did offer him a kingly crown, Which he did thrice refuse." "What, refused?'' came in anguished unison from the Eggbeaters. "Brothers," replied Trebmemac, reassuringly. "When darkness and silence reign o'er all, and the august backs are turned - he'll grab it!" "Resume, Srekcare Tun," ordered Ztnarkredeil. "Stooper, thou of the chameleon ancestry, the Lords of Amrak decree that in return for thy ceaseless yearning to be of service, thou shall be installed as a most powerful reflector to light the long, dark night on Venus. Thou art particularly fitted to fill this office because of certain special characteristics of thy noble dome, it having proved itself adamantine in quality and at the same time capable of unlimited extension." "To Irondale," continued a younger Rat in the Yeast, "we have given complete charge of the twenty-seven expert stenographers who wait on the immortals words or Zincwhacker, the Mighty Seer. This is a most difficult position, as great care has to he exercised in deciding just which of his teachings are fit to he shared with those of our younger brothers who are still under the malignant influence of the intellect." At the word "intellect" a shuddering gasp of horror broke from the Eggbeaters, but the young priest continued solemnly: "The last of our brothers to receive the decree of the Order of the Rats in the Yeast is Potson. But as he has a peculiar bit of Karma to pay first, we will reserve this reading until the next manvantara. He is, as you all do know, the manufacturer of canned nut foods, and we find that one day his foot will slip and he will get canned by mistake. At just this time the continent of America will be inundated, so he will stay canned for many aeons." "Noble brothers," said Ztnarkredeil, thinking that the priests had completed their report, "your judgment is without flaw. But there is one thing more. What of our remaining brother Eggbeaters, those who have not stood out from the mass by some supreme act of service as have these of whom you have spoken, but who have served us without flinching through many lives? What of them?" "Ah, thou remindest me well," answered Srekcare Tun. "Be assured, our faithful brothers, the Eggbeaters are well provided for. They were but reserved for the last. For them awaits au especially serene future. They will pass into the Hall of Oblivion of the Intelligence, and here they will rest, undisturbed until the early rounds of a new planet. Thus will they be spared the humiliation of developing the mental body." So saying, the noble priest stepped back, rejoining the group. "One little matter, by your permission," said a voice from the crowd. "I wish to make an important announcement. Mr. Gloster Failey, who is now at liberty, has procured a paper mill, a printing press, and a branch post office. Anyone wishing to pamphleteer the Eggbeaters can now benefit by the services of this efficiency expert." By this time it was noticed that the fumes of the magic punk, burning throughout the ship, were becoming too strong for some of the younger souls. Zincwhacker stepped forward impessively, and brought all back to attention. He was about to reveal to them a most arcane secret, when a messenger appeared, announcing that there had arrived of board a disciple named Nartim with an appeal to Einna. The Mystic eyed him suspiciously. But, as the gaze of the Eggbeaters was upon her, she said - after a pause - "Admit him." The messenger withdrew, reappearing immediately, followed by Nartim. With dignity the disciple advanced, saluted his leader, dropped upon one knee, unrolled a scroll and read as follows: "Most Excellent Einna: For many years we have been your trusted servants. We have never failed you. In silence we have done your bidding. It has been enough that you have condescended to bid. But now, certain extenuating circumstances make it necessary that we should speak and tell you that which we and many of the assembled Eggbeaters do know. There is an evil that demands your immediate attention. It is common knowledge that Zincwhacker for some time has been leading a double life. While demanding from us the strictest vegetarianism, he has repeatedly been seen by us and by members of our families indulging in pigs' feet and hotdogs. This is indeed discouraging for those of us who for years have striven to use Potson's nut foods as stepping stones to perfection, and we protest - " With a commanding gesture, Einna stopped him. "Little brother, speak no more. Your breath is wasted." Turning to the Eggbeaters, she said: "Friends, you know me well. In all these years you have never caught me in it falsehood. This story that you have just heard is the same old yarn spun by our enemies, the Lords of the Eeaf Krad, who have pursued us through fourteen planetary chains. Our younger brother, Nartim, has fallen into their trap. Judge him not harshly, for he is not yet quite ready for this unique work for which we have been chosen. So Nartim, my brother, for your own good it will be necessary for me to relieve you of the work with which I entrusted you, and drop you from the evolution of this planet. Zincwhacker, it pains me much that you should be once again subjected to this humiliation. I hereby appoint you Governor-General of the Eggbeaters." Zincwhacker, rising immediately to the occasion, saluted his Sin Twister reverently, and addressed his subjects thus: "It seems fitting that I should take this opportunity to reveal to you the special arrangement we have made for you with the Lords of Amrak. We are allowed, before you return to your beds and bodies, to give you a short instruction in some of our deeper teachings." "Soft, soft! My brother," exclaimed Einna, stepping forward. "Remember you must first ask their permission, as we never seek to influence our followers in any way." "Ah, Sister, your words are verily words of wisdom. But it is meet that you should ask them." So Einna turned to the Eggbeaters and said simply, "Choose as you will. Refuse if you dare." Eagerly they rushed forward and strove to touch the hem of her garment. "It is well," she murmured. Then, raising her voice, she again addressed her followers: "The book which will be used in this class is 'A study in Unconsciousness,' which may be secured from Hodge-Podgers for the nominal sum of fifteen dollars a copy." No limbs were broken in the rush that followed, owing partly to Hodge-Podgers' experience in swaying simple-minded assemblies. So Einna continued: "And for teacher, who more fitting than Dr. Swallow, the Hook from Hollownoise"' Loud exclamations of joy were uttered from the Eggbeaters, who, books in hand, were already arranging themselves on the floor in the outline of a dollar bill, except the few unfortunate ones who, less limber from repeated incarnations in the West, had to have chairs. The class was about to begin, when a loud scuffle and a piercing cry came from the cabin. Out rushed Mrs. Howell, dragging a lustily wailing infant. "Henry, behave!" she screamed, seating herself in the outline with the baby in her lap. Turning to Dr. Swallow the Hook, she remarked apologetically. "The Colonel is so restless." When order was resumed, the Hollownoise Doctor began: "The chapter in 'A Study in Unconsciousness,' which I will expound tonight, relates to the transmitting properties of the Ashcana in regard to the caloritie bovinity of the caustic bottom." Already the Eggbeaters were deeply impressed, and Dr. Swallow the Hook, passing over some minor details, came to the great occult axiom: "THOUGHT TRAVELS FOUR TIMES FASTER." The Eggbeaters were by now breathless with expectation. The Doctor, wishing to make sure that they would bring it through to their waking consciousness, repeated impressively, "Thought travels four times faster." He was about to proceed when a timid voice came from the disciples asking, "Four times faster than what?" Amazement held the group. The Doctor looked at the questioner a moment in utter blank astonishment, then said, "I am sure I misunderstood you. Will you please repeat your question?" The disciple, undaunted, asked again, "What is it that thought travels four times faster than?" The Doctor's brow darkened. "That is not for you to enquire," he replied, "it is sufficient for you to know that thought travels four times faster." "But," persisted the disciple, "the statement as it stands is meaningless. I think - " But at the word "think" a terrible cry arose from the group. "He thinks! he thinks! the scoundrel! throw him overboard! tell Einna on him!" came in outraged exclamations from the faithful Eggbeaters, while they rushed upon and surrounded the struggling man. Trembling in every limb, pleading for mercy, utterly cowed in mind and spirit, the unfortunate thinker was dragged before the august Tribunal. Ztnarkredeil, priest of the Eseehe Ittegaps, came forware. "What means this riot?" he thundered. "He thinks, he thinks, he dares to think!" piped a soprano-voiced little man in the front row. "Thinks?" exclaimed Ztnarkredeil, incredulously, "with what? I did not know that there was the remotest part of an atom of brain left in the whole host of the Eggbeaters. "Well," he demanded. "what if he does think?" "Why, your August Benigness, can't you see?" screamed the little man, who was now beside himself with righteous indignation, "as long as this man lives, he will be a constant menace to our beloved teachers." The shrieks of "Villain! Blackguard! Devil! Fiend!" rose higher, and Einna herself, seeing that the mob was getting beyond the control of Ztnarkredeil, swept majestically forward and took the deck. Intense silence immediately followed. With utmost compassion she stooped over the prostrate form, raising the disciple to his feet. "What has he done that you would destroy him?" she said in gentle tones. "Remember that he is our younger brother, and ours is the privilege to serve and uplift him by giving him only love and forgiveness in exchange for his hatred and malice. What has he done?" she repeated. In awed accents one of the more daring Eggbeaters ventured to speak the hateful word in the high presence of the Mystic Einna. "He thinks." said the Eggbeater. With a mighty cry of horror Einna thrust the culprit from her. "The one unpardonable sin," she exclaimed. "Overboard with him!" A splash, a cry, a gurgle, and all was over. Sadly Einna approached the rail. With utmost tenderness she looked into the black abyss and whispered. "Alas, my brother, how gladly would I have served you, had you but allowed me." "Silence all," suddenly ordered Zincwhacker, "let us meditate of Justice, for I see scales." Quiet fell upon the group, and in ecstasy the Eggbeaters concentrated until they became cross-eyed. "Ah, it has passed," sighed Zincwhacker, "it was my little brother, the haddock." "Oh, he is so psychic," murmured Stooper sympathetically, "and what is more," he added, lowering his voice, "he is fast approaching Godhood. I know this, for I once spent a whole afternoon in his company, and as I am probably the only person in the world who has this knowledge, I feel it my duty to inform you of it." With these words he turned to C.A. Jinrickey. "Have you completed the placecards?" he asked, "that our dear Teacher requested you to paint for our coming convention?" Whereupon C.A. Jinrickey, manifesting great pride, produced four signs, brilliantly lettered in black and gold. They read as follows: - First Aid to Clairvoyant Research - We Carry a Full Stock of Dime Novels - Reputations Vulcanized While You Wait - Guaranteed to Stand Up Under Heavy Pressure - Bishops Frocked on Order - Unfrocked Clergymen Reinstated at Moderate Rates - (Payments on Installment Plan if Desired) - Why Evolve? - Let Zincwhacker Do It For You They all turned reverently to Zincwhacker, who was hastily patting on a rubber glove that he might he prepared for the handshaking. Suddenly a scream from Einna was heard, "Oh, get a block, quick! Get a block for Zincwhacker to stand on. He is not up to my level." When this serious matter was attended to, order was once again regained, as it was seen to the satisfaction of all that the great Seer was thoroughly blocked on both ends, "Pardon, your Reverence," said C.A. Jinrickey, "but have you forgotten that the hour is at hand for the unveiling of your statue in the holy of holies of the supreme temple on Mars? You and Einna are the special guests of honor and are expected to be present." "What, another statue? Ah, yes, of course," said the Seer. "It is indeed the auspicious hour, Einna, assemble the faithful, that they may take the dust of our feet ere we depart." The Eggbeaters were soon gathered at the feet of their leaders, though not without some few delays when Potson was caught furtively hiding a shank of beef under his coat, and Marry Gunnysack Hootchner had lost the jeweled dog-collar givens her by Pharaoh, while the several gentlemen in black became entangled in their petticoats and sprawled promiscuously about the deck. "It will be a manvantara before we meet again," announced Einna, "until then, farewell." "And where shall that meeting be?" enquired one of the Eggbeaters. "On Tarantula," was the answer. "Tarantula?" queried the Eggbeater, wonderingly. "Yes, a new planet not yet formed. But if thou lookest close thou wilt see where it is to be. There you will once again be kings and queens, for your exile will end with earth. Concentrate!" All turned their gaze upward toward the spot in the sky indicated by their leader. "Oh!" screamed Merrie Hoots, who had just caught sight of Roarington, "He is there, my soul mate, my lord, my master!" and she fell swooning into the arms of Marry Gunnysack Hootchner, who, hastily scanning the beauty columns of the "Evening Post," exclaimed, "Yes, but I saw him first." "Ye Gods," rejoined Solace Heavens Daily, "it is not thus on Sirius. Let us don our asbestos shirts and hie us thence." "Yes, we must away," said Trebmemac, "may the Sacred Bean Vines ever thrive." "And the Cheese Tree ever be fruitful." responded Regrubmil. "Farewell!" "Farewell, Farewell," came from all. Ztnarkredeil, towering above them, said impressively, "Be silent, ere we part, and let us feel." And so they felt, and as they were wrapped in holy feels, a tall dark-bearded man, wearing a Persian hat, appeared from the hold of the ship. Fire flashed from his eye, but before he had a chance to open his mouth, Zincwhacker, sensing his presence, cried out, "Einna, my beloved Sin Twister, have a care! This insect is once more casting his shadow across our path. Dost thou not remember when in the royal palace on the moon, this creature disturbed our rest and peace, and how night after night we shook the royal sheets, and how at last we squashed him with the royal seal? Dost thou not remember, my Sister?" "No-o-o, my brother," said Einna, doubtfully, "but it must be so, for whatever you say, I endorse." She turned to rally the Eggbeaters, but found that the Rats in the Yeast were dancing madly around a young neophyte to protect him from the adverse vibrations. At this moment a Machiavellian laugh rang out over the black waters, followed by a blinding flash of lightning and frightful peals of thunder. The winds whistled like the hissing of fiends, the ship careened madly, unholy sounnds came from the masthead. Strange, weird lights blazed in the sky. The Eggbeaters, stricken to the heart with terror, gathered at the feet of Zincwhacker, who raised his hand above them in protection. "Doctor Pokes of the Cricket!" exclaimed Einna, striding forward. Then out of the darkness and the terror her voice resounded, rallying the hosts of the scrambling Eggbeaters. "Lo, I am with you, my children; fear not; I shall desert you never. Think you it was for naught that I led the hosts of Lemuria against the foe? Strike with me and let us annihilate this agent of the Lords of the Eeaf Krad. Quit ye like Eggbeaters, be strong!" With majestic sweep she turned to her followers, but to late! At the sound of the unholy doctor's name, they had all fallen overboard. Peace be to all Fishes! [[DAWN, Vol. 2 - No. 7, November 1, 1922]] ----------------------------------- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meredith_bill@earthlink.net Sun Oct 01 06:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: meredith_bill@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60436 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 13:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 13:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.66) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 13:13:11 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.154.60.182.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net ([4.154.60.182] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GU17e-00019v-00; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:12:46 -0400 Message-ID: <451FBEC7.708@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:12:39 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Theosophy Study List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Meredith Subject: Thought for the day - October 1, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=191212763; y=0U_OZBcGH-EKHA6dDmdi3o9hPiSNYCRmVlndqJkoEuR77T589D7sL9I X-Yahoo-Profile: meredith_bille X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36216 http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/ From proto37@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 08:03:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: proto37@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@egroups.com Received: (qmail 98356 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 15:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 15:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.223) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 15:01:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 18573 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2006 14:59:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20061001145910.18571.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.131.51.185] by web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 07:59:10 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mark Jaqua Subject: Re Concentration Letter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130276474; y=6vdaBoiRZf4DP5gDwT-jkvU6icci57IpT0JZjqn3zF1kTg X-Yahoo-Profile: proto37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36217 Re Concentration Letter Dan writes <> and remarks: Well, She couldn't keep track of Everything. Punch in on google KH, chohan, or the like and see how many psychics are getting all sorts of phoney messages. If you look hard enough, you will even be able to pick out a few sentences that seem like they are genuine. (I could write a few sentences that seem genuine myself! There are 10s of thousands of false purported teacher-statements.) Well, I think you know that it was undoubtedly Julia ver Planck ("Keightly" AFTER 1891) - but you want someone else to say it. Actually, you LIKE the concentration method described - so you think it is genuine. I DISLIKE it and think it is inconsistent - so I think it is phoney. This was also the LAST ES instruction sent out, and the lowest in quality. Maybe it was the Last because mistakes were made or doubtful material used, and it was relized that they could no longer be issued reliably. Maybe whoever was typing up the Instruction inserted material (the short section containing the phoney adept letter could be removed without destroying the context, and the whole Instruction would be in a more consistent "tone.") If dan can't tell the difference between this purported teacher letter and the genuiness of the Prayag Letter, etc., - but keeps refering to them as other "phoney letters" because fairy-seeing Leadbeaterites like Sherman doesn't like them - then gods help the poor man! I've made numerous previous statements, speculations about this letter before - ALL of which dan ignored, as usual, and he repeats ad infinitum his own previous statements. I don't plan on making any more comments. I think the "concentrate on the master as a living man in your heart" is a phoney method, which especially some women and homosexuals would find apealing, (this is NOT pointing any fingers specifically) - and I plan to say no more personally on the matter. - jake j. -------------------------------- --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 12:40:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8685 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 19:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 19:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 19:33:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 19:33:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 19:33:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 19:33:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:33:42 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.30.60 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: Was HP Blavatsky Aware of this Specific KH Letter??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=1z3NiJdTqdDVvLg2ch3Fqqy75jU3jqCsd6ZT7487H-GL3X7AAaNLl1um X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36218 I wrote: "This specific KH letter dates from 1888-1889-1890 when H.P.=20 Blavatsky was STILL alive." Jake replied: " Well, She [H.P. Blavatsky] couldn't keep track of Everything.=20 Punch in on google KH, chohan, or the like and see how many psychics=20 are getting all sorts of phoney messages. If you look hard enough,=20 you will even be able to pick out a few sentences that seem like=20 they are genuine. (I could write a few sentences that seem genuine=20 myself! There are 10s of thousands of false purported teacher- statements.)" Was I suggesting that HPB had to keep track of EVERYTHING? I have no idea what Jake is trying to say or convey or prove when he=20 brings up Google and all of the "10s of thousands of false purported=20 teacher-statements". How does this Google example in 2006 compare to the specific=20 situation of 1889 and 1890???? What conclusion does Jake want us to draw from his Google example?=20=20 If anything, the SPECIFIC question to answer would be: Was H.P. Blavatsky reading THE PATH magazine?=20 During 1889 and 1890, there are at least four PATH articles in which=20 Julia quotes from the specific KH letter under discussion. Did H.P. Blavatsky read any of these articles? I suggest that if HPB read even one of the articles, she would have=20 become aware that Julia had excerpts from this unpublished=20 Mahatma letter/manuscript that Jake thinks is phoney? In my next email I will produce some interesting facts some of which=20 I only discovered in the last 15 minutes!! Thanks Jake for encouraging me to dig and do some additional=20 research!! Daniel http://hpb.cc From leonmaurer@aol.com Sun Oct 01 14:15:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69367 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 21:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 21:11:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 21:11:32 -0000 Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.c0f.611d9dd (48576); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:11:03 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: leonmaurer@aol.com Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] Article: On Human Brain Size and the Genome X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=9VEsS9ri1OROsnQzq8w7nynWQatAKFPCNXSvr_mYUYIluc635ls X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36219 Sorry Mark, but I think that this is a knee jerk response to the words=20 "Intelligent Design" which has become associated with dogmatic religious=20 "creationism" due to the conflict between scientific evolution vs. miraculo= us creationism=20 hacked over in the press during the past few years.=20=20=20 However with reference to the real meaning behind that descriptive phrase, = --=20 there are other concepts of "intelligent design" that does not require an=20 outside creator with magical powers. And those are; The metaphysical=20 evolutionary theories (such as ABC, holographic paradigm, QFT, etc., and si= milar Eastern=20 and Western philosophical concepts) proposing that; The universal seed (at= =20 its periodical manifestations or births) is intelligent in itself, and has = --=20 holographically encoded in its abstract motion or spinergy at the zero-poin= t=20 "singularity" of its origin -- all the knowledge required to reconstruct it= self,=20 and prepare the metaphysical ground for progressive physical evolution (by= =20 lawful scientific processes) at each measurable time period (in infinite=20 duration) after it manifests itself during each of its eternal cycles of li= fe (active)=20 and death (passive) existence, as one of the "sons" (multitudes of parallel= =20 universes) of Absolute primal SPACE.=20=20=20 In this light, as explained in ABC theory, the only creator (father) is pur= e=20 consciousness itself, while that which is receptive to creation (mother) is= =20 its accompanying spinergy or angular momentum -- whose single ray of ejecte= d ED=20 force weaves the overall fractally involved fields of the universe (son) --= =20 that, in turn, gives birth to mankind through long and complex cosmic and=20 analogous solar, planetary and organic evolutionary processes. Could it b= e any=20 simpler or more reasonable?=20 Thus, without any religious connotations, Man can be considered as "created= =20 in the image of God" (the universal seed consisting of awareness, will and= =20 spinergy/substance). Each such individual Man's consciousness, then, is s= imply a=20 single ray of that original universal consciousness -- like an individual r= ay=20 of light traveling through gravitational space that is independent of the=20 substance or medium it travels through or is reflected, refracted, attracte= d or=20 absorbed by. And, his body is an organized agglomeration of the intelligen= tly=20 (holographic informationally and magnetically) self guided and scientifical= ly=20 involved and evolved primal substance -- consisting, initially, of the prim= al=20 "singularity's" original spin (abstract motion) or "spinergy" -- with such= =20 creative information carried as frequency modulated wave interference patte= rns,=20 initially within its spin velocities, and subsequently on the circumferenti= al=20 surface of all its subsequently involved fields of consciousness. Thus, as= =20 Bruno observed, the universe has its center everywhere and its circumferenc= e=20 nowhere.=20 In this view, it is obvious that each Universe has to be its own intelligen= t=20 designer... Just as each of us can be the "intelligent designer" of our o= wn=20 lives when we can overcome our ignorance of who and what we really are at t= he=20 root of our own consciousness (i.e., the eternal one witness who, ignorantl= y=20 or intelligently, *uses* this mind, brain and body as its thinking and acti= ng=20 vehicle in this particular lifetime).=20=20=20 It's unfortunate that science has now become the inquisitional "Church"=20 looking to "burn at the stake" all us "intelligent design" thinkers who hav= e no=20 divine extra spatial creator, vicarious atonement, and last judgment (just = like=20 Bruno, and Hermes Trismagistus, Plato, Pythagorus, Plotinus, etc. who=20 preceded him and Pascal, Blavatsky, Einstein, Pauli, Bohm, etc., who follow= ed him ). < /;-)>~ Leon Maurer http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/ http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg In a message dated 9/30/06 11:34:24 PM, mpeaty@arach.net.au writes: > Sorry Dr A. but as far as I know, so called 'Intelligent Design' theory i= s=20 > just creationism by another name. > Yes, I know, its proponents purport to be saying only: > 'oooh look! That creature/organ/phenomenon couldn't possibly have come ab= out=20 > by chance! Oh that means there must have been an intelligence what made i= t!' >=20 > I think however it is plain deceit to purport that this is not an appeal = to=20 > divine intervention. >=20 > And, as I said, appealing to a purposeful designer simply does not answer= =20 > any real questions. What it does rather is constitute an assertion that=20 > assumptions and beliefs from the pre-scientific universe MUST be allowed = to hold=20 > sway and must be allowed free passage - at taxpayers' expense - when real= ly=20 > their only claim to fame is that they existed before scientific method wa= s=20 > discovered. >=20 > As=A0 I said , Dr A, very sorry but to me, so called intelligent design t= heory=20 > just keeps Giordani Bruno burning at the stake. =A0 > Mark Peaty > mpeaty@arach.net.au > http://www.arach.net.au/~mpeaty/ > http://eiffel.dcc.ufla.br/focus/index.php >=20 >=20 > Dr. Angell O. de la Sierra, Esq. wrote: > --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, Mark Peaty wrote: "There is no need to invoke so called intelligent design - which is not an intelligent idea at all because it answers nothing and confuses many." Mark, why do you say that? Can't you tell the difference between the original mathematical statistics experiment by Dr. Demsky (based on data from Dr. Behe's "Darwin's Black Box.") and the spinning by religious extremists that followed? The conclusions from ID never talks about God or any human-like entity, it simply disqualifies evolution as the exclusive metaphysical model to explain (not describe) complexity such as found in living systems. It is clear that such 'black box' entity must be endowed withAs educators and/or scientists we owe it to our readers to be objective and dispassionate and, above all, notify the audience when we are talking about the experiment per se or our interpretations therefrom. Angell. >=20 > Richard, There is no need to invoke so called intelligent design - which is not an intelligent idea at all because it answers nothing and confuses many. On the other hand the advent of human 'intelligence' may well be implicated, although I much prefer to confine the 'i' word to Howard Gardner's 7 or so specific intelligences. With regard to the HAR1 gene, about which I know nothing, Darwinian thinking allows that the gene was more stringently conserved in chimps [and Bonobos?] because all mutations except the ones observed entailed either fatal dysfunction or reduced reproductive fitness in some way. With our ancestors on the other hand, behavioural and/or environmental changes allowed individuals carrying the mutations to survive. Indeed the mutations may have been necessary to facilitate behavioural changes needed in a changing environment. Without knowing any more about the HAR1 gene, there is not much more to be said. However, an evolutionary explanation is to be preferred because ultimately far far simpler than invoking G/god/s who or which add nothing of true explanatory value, yet always seem to demand allegiance to an exclusive creed which is ruled over by an even more exclusive power clique. As William of Occam said [but in his 14th C. ecclesiastically correct format] Keep It Simple Sweetheart! As far as I have read, mutations can be caused by high energy charged particles devolving from cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere, background radiation from terrestrial sources, and a variety of chemicals produced by plants or parasitic microbes. Regards Mark Peaty mpeaty@... http://www.arach.net.au/~mpeaty/ http://eiffel.dcc.ufla.br/focus/index.php >=20 > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Sun Oct 01 15:01:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26847 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 21:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 21:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 21:50:21 -0000 Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.4ab.6f04f4f (48576); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4ab.6f04f4f.32518fb3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:40:03 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: leonmaurer@aol.com Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] More arguments in behalf of a hybrid reality where the empirical & the conceptual become one seamless unit. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=6bGQttshTuq184ArpHNFjaFfpS4waeHyjD53ORTxBHPT6RhPnQM X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36220 Richard, Thank you for again calling my attention to Iskakov's radical new microlept= on=20 field theory. I had already carefully examined it since the last time you=20 mentioned it in discussion about my ABC theory. It seems to me that this theory coupled with the findings of Ohatimis, may = be=20 a scientifically falsifiable verification of Einstein's initial ideas about= =20 the Ether as the medium of sidereal light. Accordingly, it may eventually= =20 become, when coupled with the holographic paradigm of Bohm and Pribram alon= g with=20 string theory as well as my ABC and BB's psychophysics theories, the basis = of=20 an entirely "new paradigm of science" that all students of consciousness=20 study have been so eagerly awaiting since Chalmers posed his hard problem a= nd=20 suggested such a need almost 15 years ago. Unfortunately, as yet, while Iskakov's model may "describe consciousness" -= -=20 there is nothing in his theory that actually *explains* consciousness --= =20 which is what my theory/model of Astro Biological Coenergetics (ABC) is all= =20 about. As I said before, Iskakov is only talking about the Astral and men= tal=20 realms as the medium of the contents or information of consciousness when h= e talks=20 about microlepton fields and offers a mathematical description that justifi= es=20 their existence.=20=20=20 However, I can't see how that has anything to do with explaining=20 consciousness with respect to its origin and its aspects of awareness, qual= ia and will, or=20 even offering a description of how such information is transformed,=20 transmitted and perceived on the experiential level. All his theory does = is explain=20 the workings of the "microlepton field" itself and its holographic informat= ion=20 carrying ability along with its electrodynamic physical properties... But=20 there is no explanation of the origin of the field or its causative connect= ion=20 with the origin of the mental, astral and physical fields that interact wit= h it,=20 or explaining their linkage to the non local aspects of consciousness. Le= t=20 alone explaining the principles of entanglement that underlie the=20 interconnection of those ubiquitous points of awareness to justify his clai= ms of psi=20 phenomena. Actually, I think Iskakov has given us a sound scientific bases for=20 verification of the ABC model which predicts such a field and its electrody= namic=20 processes resulting from the involution of the initially radiated spinergy = field out=20 of the seed "singularity" of this entire universe prior to the Big Bang. = =20 IOW, his theory seems to verify the concept of the ubiquitous zero-point-in= stant=20 singularity, as well as the electrodynamic nature of the entire infinite se= t=20 of ABC field involution's... Including the existence of mind and memory fie= lds=20 that are separate, yet coenergetic entities -- each consisting of a differe= nt=20 order of frequency energy than each other, as well as that of the physical= =20 and electrical fields of the brain-body -- ascribing such normally invisibl= e=20 microlepton fields as being the body's surrounding auric fields... That, in= my=20 view, are related analogously to the fractally involved primal cosmic and h= uman=20 centered ABC fields pictured in my chakrafield diagrams: http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg Incidentally, I have been waiting patiently for some Russian scientists to= =20 come up with such a scientific description of the ABC fields -- ever since = my=20 physicist collaborator, Dr. P.S. Perchion, at a scientific conference in NY= back=20 in the early eighties, gave a copy of Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine (with our= =20 margin notes) to Zel'dovich and his group of visiting Russian physicists to= =20 take back to Russia. He told me they were much impressed by his scientifi= c=20 correlation's and interpretations of some of the metaphysics describe in th= e book,=20 and a bit proud of the fact that both Blavatsky and he were Russian born or= =20 had close ties with Russia. (Perchion, BTW, was the nephew of G. I. Gurgjie= ff.)=20 If we carefully read Iskakov's commentaries on his theory, listed under the= =20 title "A Synthesis of Science and Religion"-- it's quite obvious that he wa= s=20 referring to the Secret Doctrine (whose subtitle, coincidentally, is "The=20 Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy"). Some of his language s= eems to=20 be lifted almost verbatim from that book. It's interesting that he also=20 claimed his theory verified the Eastern philosophical view of karma and=20 reincarnation -- based on the "eternality of the human soul" -- which in th= e SD and in=20 the ABC model is the higher order triune monadic field of each individual h= uman=20 woven from a single zero-point ray of the universal consciousness emanated= =20 from the primal zero-point origin of the cosmos at the beginning of metric = time=20 in this cycle of manifestation.=20=20=20 In a message dated 9/15/06 6:47:38 PM, yanniru@netscape.net writes: > Leon, > =C2=A0 > Glad you cleared that up. But to nitpic once more, there is a QFT theory= =20 > that describes consciousness. It is the Quantum Information Theory derive= d by=20 > Prof. Boris =C2=A0Iskatov (or Iskakov) based on microleptons (which I hav= e called=20 > axions). Solutions to the resulting equations predict that weak signals c= an=20 > propagate backwards in time, thus supporting the possibility of prophecy = as=20 > well as consciousness. Boris Iskakov is the President of the Internationa= l=20 > Slavic Academy of SciencesNoNt much is available about his theory in Engl= isholy=20 > Ohatim natoly Ohatim=C2=A0 > Not much literature is available about his theory in English. I copy bel= ow=20 > what is said in my QuantumMind2003 paper: > =C2=A0 > A theory of consciousness, proposed by Russian researcher Boris Iskatov = is=20 > discussed on http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/religion-eq-science.html.=C2= =A0 He=C2=A0=20 > derived a mathematical quantum theory (from transformations of the Dirac = and=20 > Schroedinger equations) of an information-energy field Y residing in a = =E2=80=9Cglobal=20 > gas of micro-leptons=E2=80=9D having several levels of particle masses be= tween=20 > 10^-40 and 10^-30 grams. Axions predicted by GUT are about 10^-5 eV or 2x= 10^-38=20 > grams, so that it is likely that microleptons are actually the axions of = dark=20 > matter. The equations are copied here from the above site for the sake of= =20 > completeness. > A Y=3D0;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A' Y'=3D0; > where the operators have the form:=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0A= =3D2h^2V + i2h d/d t-U;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A'=3D2h^2V= - i2h d/d=20 t-U. >=20 > Here: Y denotes the probability density wave (the wave function); V, the= =20 > Laplace operator; U, the potential energy density; and h, Planck's consta= nt. > =C2=A0 > The equations of this theory can be solved to obtain the quantum hologram= .=20 > Some rather exotic solutionsare also claimed. Strong signals in this medi= um=20 > travel at the speed of light.But weak pre- and post-signals can travel mu= ch=20 > faster than the speed of light,and there are also so-called (very weak)=20 > anti-signals that allow for theinvestigation of the past. We expect that = the weak=20 > signals are due to BEC effects and the strong signals relate to physical= =20 > particles. Coupling to the physical world is not discussed. > =C2=A0 > The experimental work of Russian Anatoly Ohatimis also reviewed on the ab= ove=20 > site. He claims to confirm the existence ofthe microlepton gas=20 > experimentally using an instrument, the aurometer, formeasuring these eff= ects.=C2=A0 Two=20 > scientists, the engineer and inventor Uri Kravchenkoand the physician Nik= olai=20 > Kalashchenko developed=C2=A0the phase aurometer. Thisis a highly sensitiv= e instrument=20 > for the remote measurement of the electromagneticradiation of any object,= =20 > biological included. > =C2=A0http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos648.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: leonmaurer@aol.com > To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] More arguments in behalf of a hybrid=20 > realitywhere the empirical & the conceptual become one seamless unit. >=20 > Unfortunately, Richard, you still seem to take my writings too literally = --=20 > consequently > misunderstanding their meanings.=C2=A0=20 >=20 > In the passage below, the only thing I mentioned that was "postulatedin Q= FT=20 > and string theories" was/is, "hyperspace fields"=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'm sorry th= atI missed=20 > putting that last phrase, after "fields" in parenthasis (withoutthe comma= ) --=20 > for the benefit of all you literal minded physicalists whocan't "read (an= d see)=20 > in and around the words and between the lines" -- asa great master of=20 > metaphysical philosophy once put it.=C2=A0=20 >=20 > As I said before, "such zero-points" and their "spinergy" or angularmomen= tum=20 > is theorized (in my ABC model) as being the source of the ZPE thatempower= s=20 > the quantum foam which, in turn, underlies the energy of all=20 > quantumparticles.=C2=A0 I don't think any QFT or string theory in any way= contradictsthat -- even=20 > though they may not have sufficient evidence to predict or postulateit.= =C2=A0=20 >=20 > This, of course, is why I say that none of those theories can even comecl= ose=20 > to explaining consciousness (awareness, will) or describe the mechanismso= f=20 > sensory, dream, or imaginative thought and memory perception -- whileABC= =20 > covers it all quite logically, reasonably, and parsimoniously --=20 > withoutsubstantially contradicting either relativity, QED, QFT, or string= theories. >=20 > I suppose your nit picking of my words out of context -- like severalothe= r=20 > debunkers in this forum who have bones to pick and axes to grind withany= =20 > theory of consciousness that smacks of transcendental metaphysics anddoes= n't rely=20 > solely on physical materiality or standard particle physics-- gives you a= nd=20 > them some sort of ego satisfaction (without really sayingor proving anyth= ing=20 > :-). >=20 > Nevertheless, since none of you have yet to come up with any cogenttheory= =20 > that logically and consistently (in accord with fundamental principlesand= laws=20 > of Nature) explains both the mechanisms and contents (as well asthe=20 > nonlocality) of consciousness (awareness) -- I stand firmly behind themet= aphysical=20 > pictures I paint with those words -- for those who can see themwith their= third=20 > eye and can connect them with the known *facts* of theirscientific knowle= dge. >=20 > Best wishes, >=20 > Leon >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 9/14/06 11:05:44 AM, yanniru@netscape.net writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Leonsaid: " Either consciousness can be explained scientifically or it=20 > cannot.=C2=A0If, not, then a metaphysical explanation based on existing z= ero-points,=20 > theirZPE (rooted in fundamental zero-point spin) and hyperspace fields, s= uch=20 > aspostulated in QFT and string theories, is perfectly reasonable.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 " >=20 > I say that such zero points are not postulated in QFT and string theories >=20 > Richard >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 15:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16668 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 22:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 22:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 22:24:22 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 22:23:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 22:23:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 22:23:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:23:17 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.30.60 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: Comments on Some of Jake's Points about KH Letter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=j8AZCYfdkM46izu61so30A1z5kup_vyFkZn-0j_o3Fkkcquo0d2AFlzB X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36221 Jake, Thanks for your comments at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36217 I wrote: "So WHO was the someone (mentioned by Jake) to transmit this [KH=20 Concentration] letter if not HPB or Judge???" and, Jake, you replied: "Well, I think YOU KNOW [caps added] that it was UNDOUBTEDLY [caps=20 added] Julia ver Planck ('Keightly' AFTER 1891) - but YOU WANT [caps=20 added] someone else to say it." Jake, I'm glad you shared your thinking about what I know and what I=20 want! ..... :) Undoubtedly??? Hmmm. At this point in time, I am inclined to believe it was NOT Julia=20 who "transmitted" this KH letter. That in fact, it was either Judge=20 or HPB. Certain things even lead me to speculate that it was=20 transmitted thru HPB. But I'm always on the lookout for more=20 definite evidence/facts/documents that will tip the scale and=20 confirm how the letter/mss was actually transmitted. Again, Jake, you write: "Actually, you LIKE the concentration method described - so you=20 think it is genuine. I DISLIKE it and think it is inconsistent - so=20 I think it is phoney." Those are all your caps!!!! I ... LIKE??? Are you sure??? But, yes, I do get the impression you DISLIKE the letter!!! :) But I think that the issue of whether the letter is phoney KH or not=20 is something to be determined by various evidences/reasoning/etc and=20 should not depend on just one's LIKE or DISLIKE. Actually, years ago when I first became interested in this KH=20 Concentration letter as found in ES Instruction #5, I was somewhat uncomfortable with it. I had reservations about it. At that time=20 it seemed to me that it contradicted various other teachings of=20 HPB/the Mahatmas and I [AT THAT TIME] wondered if this KH letter was=20 a production thru Besant or Judge after HPB's death. This interest=20 led me to years of research trying to determine when the letter=20 first surfaced: before HPB died or after....etc. etc. So I don't=20 think LIKE really applies to me.....even now. You also write: "If dan can't tell the difference between this purported teacher=20 letter and the genuiness of the Prayag Letter, etc., - but keeps=20 refering to them as other 'phoney letters' because fairy-seeing Leadbeaterites like Sherman doesn't like them - then gods help the=20 poor man!" Oh, I'm touched by your concern for me [the poor man]!! First of all, I have no doubt that the Prayag Letter is genuine.=20=20 And all I have pointed out is that you think the KH Concentration=20 letter is phoney and other Theosophical students (including Shearman=20 but he is not the only one) would say the Prayag Letter and Letter=20 #10 on God are also phoney.... Remember Hugh Shearman is not the only person who holds that view.=20=20 And I don't think all of the persons who hold that view are (as you=20 characterize them) "fairy-seeing Leadbeaterites".... I have had several discussions with some students who were at least=20 not obvious Leadbeaterites and they still didn't believe a true=20 Master would write what is found in the Prayag letter or in Letter=20 #10. For my own part, I couldn't quite understand their reasoning on this=20 so I'm probably not the one to give a good presentation of their=20 views. In fact, again, I don't share either their views or Shearman's view=20 on the Prayag letter and Letter #10 on God. But when you declare: "If dan can't tell the difference between this purported teacher=20 letter and the genuiness of the Prayag Letter, etc.,....then gods=20 help the poor man!" you might also reflect on the following: =20=20 For example, Charles J. Ryan considered the "Concentration" letter=20 genuine. I have his handwritten comments. And I believe Basil Crump did. And don't forget Julia also believed in the KH Concentration letter! So remember Jake --- what is obvious to you may not be obvious to=20 another well-versed and sincere student. And then you write: "...I think the 'concentrate on the master as a living man in your=20 heart' is a phoney method, which especially some women and=20 homosexuals would find apealing, (this is NOT pointing any fingers=20 specifically)..." I won't comment at this point on these choice words of yours but=20 will simply ask: I guess Julia falls into this category of "some=20 women"??? Daniel http://hpb.cc From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 18:22:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45314 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 01:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 01:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.107) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 01:20:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 63043 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2006 01:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20061002012008.63038.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [211.28.163.104] by web52104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:20:08 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:20:08 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World A Statement by Jake to Ponder On..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=wRyx-NHea8_GTaCqrvhu3NH7jtgnzWGwpglp9OjunlyRQg7D_A X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36222 I for one, suspect everything that wasn't relayed by HPB. Cass danielhcaldwell wrote: Jake writes: "...Anyhow, Any and all letters not coming through Blavatsky are suspect, Sinnett's use of mediums C.W. Bedwetter, Travers and other's notwithstanding...." So does this statement by Jake apply to the KH letter of 1900? Does this statement by Jake also apply to the Mahatma Letters transmitted through W.Q. Judge AFTER HPB's death? Are these letters also SUSPECT?? Daniel http://hpb.cc --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 18:44:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93938 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 01:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 01:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52109.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 01:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 39584 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2006 01:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20061002014128.39582.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [211.28.163.104] by web52109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:41:27 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:41:27 -0700 (PDT) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4ab.6f04f4f.32518fb3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [Mind and Brain] More arguments in behalf of a hybrid reality where the empirical & the conceptual become one seamless unit. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=FaWB8pcBPW17rfqaYzLrHVZQ0AYScC-PGyx82CIdjCqFrWddBA X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36223 Leon, Website you reference has been closed. Cass leonmaurer@aol.com wrote: Richard, =20 Thank you for again calling my attention to Iskakov's radical new microlep= ton=20 field theory. I had already carefully examined it since the last time you= =20 mentioned it in discussion about my ABC theory. =20 It seems to me that this theory coupled with the findings of Ohatimis, may= be=20 a scientifically falsifiable verification of Einstein's initial ideas abou= t=20 the Ether as the medium of sidereal light. Accordingly, it may eventuall= y=20 become, when coupled with the holographic paradigm of Bohm and Pribram alo= ng with=20 string theory as well as my ABC and BB's psychophysics theories, the basis= of=20 an entirely "new paradigm of science" that all students of consciousness=20 study have been so eagerly awaiting since Chalmers posed his hard problem = and=20 suggested such a need almost 15 years ago. =20 Unfortunately, as yet, while Iskakov's model may "describe consciousness" = --=20 there is nothing in his theory that actually *explains* consciousness --= =20 which is what my theory/model of Astro Biological Coenergetics (ABC) is al= l=20 about. As I said before, Iskakov is only talking about the Astral and me= ntal=20 realms as the medium of the contents or information of consciousness when = he talks=20 about microlepton fields and offers a mathematical description that justif= ies=20 their existence.=20=20=20 =20 However, I can't see how that has anything to do with explaining=20 consciousness with respect to its origin and its aspects of awareness, qua= lia and will, or=20 even offering a description of how such information is transformed,=20 transmitted and perceived on the experiential level. All his theory does= is explain=20 the workings of the "microlepton field" itself and its holographic informa= tion=20 carrying ability along with its electrodynamic physical properties... But= =20 there is no explanation of the origin of the field or its causative connec= tion=20 with the origin of the mental, astral and physical fields that interact wi= th it,=20 or explaining their linkage to the non local aspects of consciousness. L= et=20 alone explaining the principles of entanglement that underlie the=20 interconnection of those ubiquitous points of awareness to justify his cla= ims of psi=20 phenomena. =20 Actually, I think Iskakov has given us a sound scientific bases for=20 verification of the ABC model which predicts such a field and its electrod= ynamic=20 processes resulting from the involution of the initially radiated spinergy= field out=20 of the seed "singularity" of this entire universe prior to the Big Bang. = =20 IOW, his theory seems to verify the concept of the ubiquitous zero-point-i= nstant=20 singularity, as well as the electrodynamic nature of the entire infinite s= et=20 of ABC field involution's... Including the existence of mind and memory fi= elds=20 that are separate, yet coenergetic entities -- each consisting of a differ= ent=20 order of frequency energy than each other, as well as that of the physical= =20 and electrical fields of the brain-body -- ascribing such normally invisib= le=20 microlepton fields as being the body's surrounding auric fields... That, i= n my=20 view, are related analogously to the fractally involved primal cosmic and = human=20 centered ABC fields pictured in my chakrafield diagrams: =20 http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg =20 Incidentally, I have been waiting patiently for some Russian scientists to= =20 come up with such a scientific description of the ABC fields -- ever since= my=20 physicist collaborator, Dr. P.S. Perchion, at a scientific conference in N= Y back=20 in the early eighties, gave a copy of Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine (with ou= r=20 margin notes) to Zel'dovich and his group of visiting Russian physicists t= o=20 take back to Russia. He told me they were much impressed by his scientif= ic=20 correlation's and interpretations of some of the metaphysics describe in t= he book,=20 and a bit proud of the fact that both Blavatsky and he were Russian born o= r=20 had close ties with Russia. (Perchion, BTW, was the nephew of G. I. Gurgji= eff.)=20 =20 If we carefully read Iskakov's commentaries on his theory, listed under th= e=20 title "A Synthesis of Science and Religion"-- it's quite obvious that he w= as=20 referring to the Secret Doctrine (whose subtitle, coincidentally, is "The= =20 Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy"). Some of his language = seems to=20 be lifted almost verbatim from that book. It's interesting that he also= =20 claimed his theory verified the Eastern philosophical view of karma and=20 reincarnation -- based on the "eternality of the human soul" -- which in t= he SD and in=20 the ABC model is the higher order triune monadic field of each individual = human=20 woven from a single zero-point ray of the universal consciousness emanated= =20 from the primal zero-point origin of the cosmos at the beginning of metric= time=20 in this cycle of manifestation.=20=20=20 =20 In a message dated 9/15/06 6:47:38 PM, yanniru@netscape.net writes: =20 > Leon, > =C2=20 > Glad you cleared that up. But to nitpic once more, there is a QFT theor= y=20 > that describes consciousness. It is the Quantum Information Theory deriv= ed by=20 > Prof. Boris =C2 Iskatov (or Iskakov) based on microleptons (which I have= called=20 > axions). Solutions to the resulting equations predict that weak signals = can=20 > propagate backwards in time, thus supporting the possibility of prophecy= as=20 > well as consciousness. Boris Iskakov is the President of the Internation= al=20 > Slavic Academy of SciencesNoNt much is available about his theory in Eng= lisholy=20 > Ohatim natoly Ohatim=C2=20 > Not much literature is available about his theory in English. I copy be= low=20 > what is said in my QuantumMind2003 paper: > =C2=20 > A theory of consciousness, proposed by Russian researcher Boris Iskatov= is=20 > discussed on http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/religion-eq-science.html.= =C2 He=C2=20=20 > derived a mathematical quantum theory (from transformations of the Dirac= and=20 > Schroedinger equations) of an information-energy field Y residing in a = =E2=80=9Cglobal=20 > gas of micro-leptons=E2=80=9D having several levels of particle masses b= etween=20 > 10^-40 and 10^-30 grams. Axions predicted by GUT are about 10^-5 eV or 2= x10^-38=20 > grams, so that it is likely that microleptons are actually the axions of= dark=20 > matter. The equations are copied here from the above site for the sake o= f=20 > completeness. > A Y=3D0;=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 A' Y'=3D0; > where the operators have the form:=20 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 A=3D2h^2V + i2h d/d t-U;= =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2= A'=3D2h^2V - i2h d/d=20 t-U. >=20 > Here: Y denotes the probability density wave (the wave function); V, the= =20 > Laplace operator; U, the potential energy density; and h, Planck's const= ant. > =C2=20 > The equations of this theory can be solved to obtain the quantum hologra= m.=20 > Some rather exotic solutionsare also claimed. Strong signals in this med= ium=20 > travel at the speed of light.But weak pre- and post-signals can travel m= uch=20 > faster than the speed of light,and there are also so-called (very weak)= =20 > anti-signals that allow for theinvestigation of the past. We expect that= the weak=20 > signals are due to BEC effects and the strong signals relate to physical= =20 > particles. Coupling to the physical world is not discussed. > =C2=20 > The experimental work of Russian Anatoly Ohatimis also reviewed on the a= bove=20 > site. He claims to confirm the existence ofthe microlepton gas=20 > experimentally using an instrument, the aurometer, formeasuring these ef= fects.=C2 Two=20 > scientists, the engineer and inventor Uri Kravchenkoand the physician Ni= kolai=20 > Kalashchenko developed=C2 the phase aurometer. Thisis a highly sensitive= instrument=20 > for the remote measurement of the electromagneticradiation of any object= ,=20 > biological included. > =C2 http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos648.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: leonmaurer@aol.com > To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] More arguments in behalf of a hybrid=20 > realitywhere the empirical & the conceptual become one seamless unit. >=20 > Unfortunately, Richard, you still seem to take my writings too literally= --=20 > consequently > misunderstanding their meanings.=C2=20=20 >=20 > In the passage below, the only thing I mentioned that was "postulatedin = QFT=20 > and string theories" was/is, "hyperspace fields"=C2 =C2 I'm sorry thatI= missed=20 > putting that last phrase, after "fields" in parenthasis (withoutthe comm= a) --=20 > for the benefit of all you literal minded physicalists whocan't "read (a= nd see)=20 > in and around the words and between the lines" -- asa great master of=20 > metaphysical philosophy once put it.=C2=20=20 >=20 > As I said before, "such zero-points" and their "spinergy" or angularmome= ntum=20 > is theorized (in my ABC model) as being the source of the ZPE thatempowe= rs=20 > the quantum foam which, in turn, underlies the energy of all=20 > quantumparticles.=C2 I don't think any QFT or string theory in any way = contradictsthat -- even=20 > though they may not have sufficient evidence to predict or postulateit.= =C2=20=20 >=20 > This, of course, is why I say that none of those theories can even comec= lose=20 > to explaining consciousness (awareness, will) or describe the mechanisms= of=20 > sensory, dream, or imaginative thought and memory perception -- whileABC= =20 > covers it all quite logically, reasonably, and parsimoniously --=20 > withoutsubstantially contradicting either relativity, QED, QFT, or strin= g theories. >=20 > I suppose your nit picking of my words out of context -- like severaloth= er=20 > debunkers in this forum who have bones to pick and axes to grind withany= =20 > theory of consciousness that smacks of transcendental metaphysics anddoe= sn't rely=20 > solely on physical materiality or standard particle physics-- gives you = and=20 > them some sort of ego satisfaction (without really sayingor proving anyt= hing=20 > :-). >=20 > Nevertheless, since none of you have yet to come up with any cogenttheor= y=20 > that logically and consistently (in accord with fundamental principlesan= d laws=20 > of Nature) explains both the mechanisms and contents (as well asthe=20 > nonlocality) of consciousness (awareness) -- I stand firmly behind theme= taphysical=20 > pictures I paint with those words -- for those who can see themwith thei= r third=20 > eye and can connect them with the known *facts* of theirscientific knowl= edge. >=20 > Best wishes, >=20 > Leon >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 9/14/06 11:05:44 AM, yanniru@netscape.net writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Leonsaid: " Either consciousness can be explained scientifically or it=20 > cannot.=C2 If, not, then a metaphysical explanation based on existing ze= ro-points,=20 > theirZPE (rooted in fundamental zero-point spin) and hyperspace fields, = such=20 > aspostulated in QFT and string theories, is perfectly reasonable.=C2 =C2= " >=20 > I say that such zero points are not postulated in QFT and string theorie= s >=20 > Richard >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From edaro@bellsouth.net Sun Oct 01 18:58:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86418 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.188) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 01:56:13 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:56:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:56:11 -0000 X-Sender: edaro@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13109 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 01:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 01:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 01:53:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 01:51:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:51:05 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.105 From: "stillpointed" Subject: "All is vibration" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=210843227; y=LoJaS3pyLwsLSGGD-PGItgapcjqj-iigpqPVhSGyIzHqOPJfUdg_ X-Yahoo-Profile: stillpointed X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 02 Oct 2006 01:56:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36224 FRED ALAN WOLF. The key to the shaman is vibration. A shaman would say,"All is=20 vibration. Vibration is the fundamental of all-ness of everything." A=20 quantum physicist would say, "everything is a quantum wave function, a=20 vibrating field ofpossibilities." The shaman and the physicist are=20 seeing the same reality from a differentperspective. For the quantum=20 physicist once we have vibration, we have waves. Oncewe have waves we=20 have different wavelengths and different frequencies. Once we=20 havethose we can form wave packets. We can form objects. We can make=20 boundaries. We can form limitations. We can have physicality. To the=20 shaman, once you have vibration,you have resonance, you have healing,=20 you have the ability to tune, you have recognition,patterns.=20 http://66.102.7.104/search? q=3Dcache:ZN9Q_YzJnSkJ:pw1.netcom.com/~wolfpapers/myarticles/Q%26A% 2520for%2520Deepak.pdf+%22all+is+vibration%22+%22illusion+of% 22+space+empty&hl=3Den&gl=3Dus&ct=3Dclnk&cd=3D1 From Drpsionic@aol.com Sun Oct 01 19:29:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22448 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 02:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 02:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 02:26:57 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.37e.6d18f67a (58808) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37e.6d18f67a.3251d2d9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:26:33 EDT To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5031 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World A Statement by Jake to Ponder On..... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=-J3WuWdMsJ-ImixqVLdB4aExn94EZr2xHZuXBg4c4Dq-EblqGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36225 In a message dated 10/1/2006 8:23:07 PM Central Standard Time, silva_cass@yahoo.com writes: I for one, suspect everything that wasn't relayed by HPB. Cass And I suspect everything even if it was relayed by HPB. Chuck the Heretic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Sun Oct 01 20:30:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97828 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 03:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 03:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 03:26:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 03:26:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 03:26:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:26:15 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.30.60 From: "danielhcaldwell" Subject: Jake & his "Maybe" This & "Maybe" That Speculation: Part 1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=Q5W1OAouDQ8FNlPB7H0Mw2MTVGvw502YS2G_Dp7SRPOWgaM5yionnUSK X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36226 Jake and his "Maybe" This & "Maybe" That Speculation:=20=20 Part 1 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I wrote: "Furthermore, why would Judge (after HPB's death) include portions=20 of this KH Concentration letter in E.S. Instruction #5?" In his latest reply at=20=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36217 Jake comments: "This was also the LAST ES instruction sent out, and the lowest in=20 quality. Maybe it was the Last because mistakes were made or=20 doubtful material used, and it was relized that they could no longer=20 be issued reliably. Maybe whoever was typing up the Instruction=20 inserted material (the short section containing the phoney adept=20 letter could be removed without destroying the context, and the=20 whole Instruction would be in a more consistent 'tone.')" Almost a month ago on Theos-Talk (Sept. 2) Jake also wrote about=20 this ES Instruction 5 and at that time he speculated about the=20 specific KH Concentration letter somehow "slipping in" or=20 being "inserted" into Instruction 5.=20=20 In that posting, Jake wrote: "Things do 'slip in' and slip by, especially with someone who was=20 under the pressures that Judge was.... Was this=20 instruction 'recalled' ? Someone sent me a copy of the original=20 mimeograph of Garrangues 'Point Out the Way,' and I swear the typist=20 inserted some phoney stuff in it in a few places, as out of=20 character with the rest of the book." "Regardless, even if it is something that did not slip by, and Judge=20 consciously and purposively put it [the KH Concentration letter] in=20 the instruction, I - for myself - do not agree with or accept it as=20 written, and I don't care if Judge wrote it or not. I've got that=20 right I think???...." Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/35686 In Part 2, I will comment on Jake's "maybes". Daniel http://hpb.cc From edaro@bellsouth.net Sun Oct 01 21:05:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18210 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 04:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 04:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 04:03:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 04:03:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 04:03:18 -0000 X-Sender: edaro@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35695 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 03:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 03:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 03:27:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 03:27:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 03:27:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:27:30 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.72.98.105 From: "stillpointed" Subject: Re: "All is vibration" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=210843227; y=J0QrzAp1E5i926WgDRZgFWJ_ZkEoXg9t73NrOaTSqzupzoh7HNz- X-Yahoo-Profile: stillpointed X-eGroups-Approved-By: eldon_tucker via web; 02 Oct 2006 04:03:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36227 Q. Some people talk about the Light that is seen at the moment of=20 death and in near-death experiences. What is this?=20 FRED ALAN WOLF.=20 "From a scientific standpoint, it is difficult to say exactly what is=20 going on. And the reason why we don't know is because we have no idea=20 where the viewer is that sees this Light. As an example, right now,=20 you have some sense of being present in your body looking out at the=20 world. But according to what we know from physics, this is an=20 illusion of perception: There is no place inside your body where=20 "you" actually exist. You don't have a particular volume of space or=20 spot that is "you." It is an illusion to think that everything=20 outside that volume of space is "not you"--what you commonly say=20 is "outside of you." The best description we can give for this sense=20 of presence is that you "are everywhere." The main reason that you=20 have more awareness of being in a body is simply because the sensory=20 apparatus of the body commands a great deal of your attention and=20 that much of your attention is linked to your physical senses.=20 We have the illusion that our human bodies are solid, but they are=20 over 99.99% empty space.=20 If an atom is blown up to the size of an entire football stadium, the=20 dense part of the atom would be comparable to the size of a single=20 grain of rice placed on the 50 yard line. Now why is that important?=20 Because in an atom, the nucleus accounts for 99.99% of all of the=20 matter or mass. Atoms are mostly made of space. So although we=20 experience ourselves as being these solid human bodies, it's more=20 like "who we are" is an awareness or consciousness that lives in=20 space." Ed http://66.102.7.104/search? q=3Dcache:ZN9Q_YzJnSkJ:pw1.netcom.com/~wolfpapers/myarticles/Q%26A% 2520for%2520Deepak.pdf+%22all+is+vibration%22+%22illusion+of% 22+space+empty&hl=3Den&gl=3Dus&ct=3Dclnk&cd=3D1 From leonmaurer@aol.com Sun Oct 01 23:05:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85846 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 06:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 06:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 06:03:58 -0000 Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.598.23b689d6 (58808) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <598.23b689d6.32520594@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:03:00 EDT To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: leonmaurer@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [Mind and Brain] More arguments in behalf of a hybrid reality where the empirical & the conceptual become one seamless unit. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=4FGybFpodWnGQ7sZEXbRugPYJnkJrwoVzqG5_FQoopyKywQkMII X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36228 Cass, The only web site reference in the below commentaries covering Iskakov's work is: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos648.htm This is a copy of the original material published on http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/religion-eq-science.html, given me by my correspondent, which is now closed. Leon In a message dated 10/1/06 9:45:49 PM, silva_cass@yahoo.com writes: > Leon, > Website you reference has been closed. > Cass > > leonmaurer@aol.com wrote: Richard, > > Thank you for again calling my attention to Iskakov's radical new > microlepton > field theory. I had already carefully examined it since the last time you > mentioned it in discussion about my ABC theory. > > It seems to me that this theory coupled with the findings of Ohatimis, may > be > a scientifically falsifiable verification of Einstein's initial ideas about > the Ether as the medium of sidereal light. Accordingly, it may eventually > become, when coupled with the holographic paradigm of Bohm and Pribram along > with > string theory as well as my ABC and BB's psychophysics theories, the basis > of > an entirely "new paradigm of science" that all students of consciousness > study have been so eagerly awaiting since Chalmers posed his hard problem > and > suggested such a need almost 15 years ago. > > Unfortunately, as yet, while Iskakov's model may "describe consciousness" -- > there is nothing in his theory that actually *explains* consciousness -- > which is what my theory/model of Astro Biological Coenergetics (ABC) is all > about. As I said before, Iskakov is only talking about the Astral and > mental > realms as the medium of the contents or information of consciousness when he > talks > about microlepton fields and offers a mathematical description that > justifies > their existence. > > However, I can't see how that has anything to do with explaining > consciousness with respect to its origin and its aspects of awareness, > qualia and will, or > even offering a description of how such information is transformed, > transmitted and perceived on the experiential level. All his theory does > is explain > the workings of the "microlepton field" itself and its holographic > information > carrying ability along with its electrodynamic physical properties... But > there is no explanation of the origin of the field or its causative > connection > with the origin of the mental, astral and physical fields that interact with > it, > or explaining their linkage to the non local aspects of consciousness. Let > alone explaining the principles of entanglement that underlie the > interconnection of those ubiquitous points of awareness to justify his > claims of psi > phenomena. > > Actually, I think Iskakov has given us a sound scientific bases for > verification of the ABC model which predicts such a field and its > electrodynamic > processes resulting from the involution of the initially radiated spinergy > field out > of the seed "singularity" of this entire universe prior to the Big Bang. > IOW, his theory seems to verify the concept of the ubiquitous > zero-point-instant > singularity, as well as the electrodynamic nature of the entire infinite set > of ABC field involution's... Including the existence of mind and memory > fields > that are separate, yet coenergetic entities -- each consisting of a > different > order of frequency energy than each other, as well as that of the physical > and electrical fields of the brain-body -- ascribing such normally invisible > microlepton fields as being the body's surrounding auric fields... That, in > my > view, are related analogously to the fractally involved primal cosmic and > human > centered ABC fields pictured in my chakrafield diagrams: > > http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html > http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg > > Incidentally, I have been waiting patiently for some Russian scientists to > come up with such a scientific description of the ABC fields -- ever since > my > physicist collaborator, Dr. P.S. Perchion, at a scientific conference in NY > back > in the early eighties, gave a copy of Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine (with our > margin notes) to Zel'dovich and his group of visiting Russian physicists to > take back to Russia. He told me they were much impressed by his scientific > correlation's and interpretations of some of the metaphysics describe in the > book, > and a bit proud of the fact that both Blavatsky and he were Russian born or > had close ties with Russia. (Perchion, BTW, was the nephew of G. I. > Gurgjieff.) > > If we carefully read Iskakov's commentaries on his theory, listed under the > title "A Synthesis of Science and Religion"-- it's quite obvious that he was > referring to the Secret Doctrine (whose subtitle, coincidentally, is "The > Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy"). Some of his language > seems to > be lifted almost verbatim from that book. It's interesting that he also > claimed his theory verified the Eastern philosophical view of karma and > reincarnation -- based on the "eternality of the human soul" -- which in the > SD and in > the ABC model is the higher order triune monadic field of each individual > human > woven from a single zero-point ray of the universal consciousness emanated > from the primal zero-point origin of the cosmos at the beginning of metric > time > in this cycle of manifestation. > > In a message dated 9/15/06 6:47:38 PM, yanniru@netscape.net writes: > > > Leon, > > D*$ > > Glad you cleared that up. But to nitpic once more, there is a QFT theory > > that describes consciousness. It is the Quantum Information Theory derived > by > > Prof. Boris D*$ Iskatov (or Iskakov) based on microleptons (which I have > called > > axions). Solutions to the resulting equations predict that weak signals > can > > propagate backwards in time, thus supporting the possibility of prophecy > as > > well as consciousness. Boris Iskakov is the President of the International > > Slavic Academy of SciencesNoNt much is available about his theory in Engl > isholy > > Ohatim natoly OhatimD*$ > > Not much literature is available about his theory in English. I copy > below > > what is said in my QuantumMind2003 paper: > > D*$ > > A theory of consciousness, proposed by Russian researcher Boris Iskatov > is > > discussed on > .D*$ HeD*$ > > derived a mathematical quantum theory (from transformations of the Dirac > and > > Schroedinger equations) of an information-energy field Y residing in a D+$)M > global > > gas of micro-leptonsD+$〓 having several levels of particle masses between > > 10^-40 and 10^-30 grams. Axions predicted by GUT are about 10^-5 eV or > 2x10^-38 > > grams, so that it is likely that microleptons are actually the axions of > dark > > matter. The equations are copied here from the above site for the sake of > > completeness. > > A Y=0;D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ A' Y'=0; > > where the operators have the form: > D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ A=2h^2V + i2h d/d t-U;D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ > D*$ D*$ D*$ D*$ A'=2h^2V - i2h d/d > t-U. > > > > Here: Y denotes the probability density wave (the wave function); V, the > > Laplace operator; U, the potential energy density; and h, Planck's > constant. > > D*$ > > The equations of this theory can be solved to obtain the quantum hologram. > > Some rather exotic solutionsare also claimed. Strong signals in this > medium > > travel at the speed of light.But weak pre- and post-signals can travel > much > > faster than the speed of light,and there are also so-called (very weak) > > anti-signals that allow for theinvestigation of the past. We expect that > the weak > > signals are due to BEC effects and the strong signals relate to physical > > particles. Coupling to the physical world is not discussed. > > D*$ > > The experimental work of Russian Anatoly Ohatimis also reviewed on the > above > > site. He claims to confirm the existence ofthe microlepton gas > > experimentally using an instrument, the aurometer, formeasuring these > effects.D*$ Two > > scientists, the engineer and inventor Uri Kravchenkoand the physician > Nikolai > > Kalashchenko developedD*$ the phase aurometer. Thisis a highly sensitive > instrument > > for the remote measurement of the electromagneticradiation of any object, > > biological included. > > D*$ http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos648.htm > > -----Original Message----- > > From: leonmaurer@aol.com > > To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] More arguments in behalf of a hybrid > > realitywhere the empirical & the conceptual become one seamless unit. > > > > Unfortunately, Richard, you still seem to take my writings too literally > -- > > consequently > > misunderstanding their meanings.D*$ > > > > In the passage below, the only thing I mentioned that was "postulatedin > QFT > > and string theories" was/is, "hyperspace fields"D*$ D*$ I'm sorry thatI > missed > > putting that last phrase, after "fields" in parenthasis (withoutthe comma) > -- > > for the benefit of all you literal minded physicalists whocan't "read (and > see) > > in and around the words and between the lines" -- asa great master of > > metaphysical philosophy once put it.D*$ > > > > As I said before, "such zero-points" and their "spinergy" or > angularmomentum > > is theorized (in my ABC model) as being the source of the ZPE thatempowers > > the quantum foam which, in turn, underlies the energy of all > > quantumparticles.D*$ I don't think any QFT or string theory in any way > contradictsthat -- even > > though they may not have sufficient evidence to predict or postulateit.D*$ > > > > This, of course, is why I say that none of those theories can even > comeclose > > to explaining consciousness (awareness, will) or describe the mechanismsof > > sensory, dream, or imaginative thought and memory perception -- whileABC > > covers it all quite logically, reasonably, and parsimoniously -- > > withoutsubstantially contradicting either relativity, QED, QFT, or string > theories. > > > > I suppose your nit picking of my words out of context -- like severalother > > debunkers in this forum who have bones to pick and axes to grind withany > > theory of consciousness that smacks of transcendental metaphysics > anddoesn't rely > > solely on physical materiality or standard particle physics-- gives you > and > > them some sort of ego satisfaction (without really sayingor proving > anything > > :-). > > > > Nevertheless, since none of you have yet to come up with any cogenttheory > > that logically and consistently (in accord with fundamental principlesand > laws > > of Nature) explains both the mechanisms and contents (as well asthe > > nonlocality) of consciousness (awareness) -- I stand firmly behind > themetaphysical > > pictures I paint with those words -- for those who can see themwith their > third > > eye and can connect them with the known *facts* of theirscientific > knowledge. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Leon > > > > > > In a message dated 9/14/06 11:05:44 AM, yanniru@netscape.net writes: > > > > > > > > Leonsaid: " Either consciousness can be explained scientifically or it > > cannot.D*$ If, not, then a metaphysical explanation based on existing > zero-points, > > theirZPE (rooted in fundamental zero-point spin) and hyperspace fields, > such > > aspostulated in QFT and string theories, is perfectly reasonable.D*$ D*$ " > > > > I say that such zero points are not postulated in QFT and string theories > > > > Richard > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From meredith_bill@earthlink.net Mon Oct 02 02:12:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: meredith_bill@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57063 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 09:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 09:12:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.64) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 09:12:03 -0000 Received: from dialup-4.154.61.251.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net ([4.154.61.251] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GUJpp-0003bo-00; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <4520D7C0.9040106@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:11:28 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Theosophy Study List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.69.195.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Meredith Subject: Thought for the day - October 2, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=191212763; y=oHITacVWLP27zPOIMsOxMjc3UDS80nyAn-cqWqiu85fdMowjMEr8bMw X-Yahoo-Profile: meredith_bille X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36229 The highest good is like water. Water gives life to the ten thousand things and does not strive. It flows in places men reject and so is like the Tao. In dwelling, be close to the land. In meditation, go deep in the heart. In dealing with others, be gentle and kind. In speech, be true. In ruling, be just. In business, be competent. In action, watch the timing. ~ Tao Te Ching ~ (Translation by Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English) http://www.katinkahesselink.net/squote/tao.html From carlosaveline@terra.com.br Mon Oct 02 06:55:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: carlosaveline@terra.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68981 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 13:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 13:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bundure.hst.terra.com.br) (200.176.10.195) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 13:52:58 -0000 Received: from domoni.hst.terra.com.br (domoni.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.16]) by bundure.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFA39A02EF for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:52:56 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: 2ab3282c073b7df1923c5cb13086b6c3 Received-SPF: pass (domoni.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.16 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.16; envelope-from=carlosaveline@terra.com.br; helo=terra.com.br; Received: from terra.com.br (aubari.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.3.184]) (authenticated user carlosaveline) by domoni.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411AD158804F for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:52:56 -0300 (BRT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:52:55 -0300 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 To: "theos-talk" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B115) X-SenderIP: 201.11.161.51 X-Originating-IP: 200.176.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "carlosaveline" Subject: Jake and 2000-2075 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264889858; y=iltd5LQr1dQMf0B0D_w3gR-a9wVzPvWPGUKUOk7Y11sJ9kebea7v9XM X-Yahoo-Profile: cardosoaveline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36230 Dear Jake, Thanks. You say: "After the light comes the shadow." I add: "After the public effort, comes a harder effort; after spring and summer, a= utumn and winter". And this is the time e face now. The Light is always present; but a harder work is necessary in times like = these.=20 Look at George Bush the son and his policies, and compare them with Jimmy C= arter's policies in the late 1970s... Regards, Carlos.=20 De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com C=F3pia: Data:Sun, 1 Oct 2006 05:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re Tibet & Discernment > Re Tibet & Discernment >=20 > Re Ken & Carlos comments on "last quarter=20 > effort." Something that sticks in my=20 > mind is a comment from the literature=20 > somewhere that "after the light comes=20 > the shadow." After pushing the "good=20 > things" for a while and waking minds up=20 > a bit and trying to induce change, a=20 > negative reaction results also, and if=20 > you push too hard, beyond person's=20 > capacity, instead of more "light" you=20 > just get a worse and worse negative=20 > reaction, and end up with things worse=20 > than they were before. >=20 > 'Agree with Ken that at the beginning=20 > of a century is the time to more=20 > materialize things, and shift to a=20 > more mundane plane. This is how people=20 > are too. After so much studying of=20 > philosophy, the lower self can't=20 > maintain interest, or be made to maintin=20 > interest, and ones's natural interest=20 > goes to a lower plane, so to speak,=20 > literature, psychology, maybe social=20 > work, or even - theosophical history!=20 > 'which is a natural process, and nothing=20 > wrong with it. >=20 > Was reading some of Leon Maurer's=20 > material, can't say I follow it all, but=20 > seems to be a description of the "matter"=20 > side of the projection or manifestation,=20 > with endless fields and sub-fields, and=20 > levels. I wonder where the subjective=20 > side of things fits into it all. From=20 > this perspective, one would have to see=20 > himself as an "I" or experiencer as just=20 > a certain group of "fields," grounded=20 > ultimately in the "zero-point" or Brahman. >=20 > J.D. Buck, Judge's friend, was mentioned=20 > and I have a note that someone called=20 > "The Great Works Scans" has recently put=20 > about a half-dozen of his books / scans onto=20 > CD's and is selling them for $5 a piece.=20 > (no address) > - jake j. > ------------- > <1a. Tibet & Discernment > Posted by: "carlosaveline" carlosaveline@terra.com.br=20 > cardosoaveline > Date: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:56 am (PDT) >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Perhaps -- for a distanced evaluation, yes.=20 >=20 > and facts on record. And that was my point.=20 >=20 > 2000-2001 was (has been) most significant,=20 > and I see scarcely anyone attempting to=20 > understand it, except off-the-record and=20 > in private.=20 >=20 > understand or investigate what=20 > happened to the vibration rates in 2000-2001.=20 >=20 > would help sections of the movement have=20 > some idea of what is going on, instead of=20 > just "keeping business as usual" as if=20 > nothing had changed.=20 >=20 > more towards 2012 and 2020.=20 >=20 > and to ask oneself what one can do to help=20 > stimulate a better dialogue and understanding=20 > of the path -- in "beginnings of centuries".=20 >=20 >=20 > ----------- > <1b. Re: Tibet & Discernment > Posted by: "kensmall@earthlink.net"=20 > Kensmall@earthlink.net tortugacuervo > Date: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:53 pm (PDT) > CARLOS - A FEW THOUGHTS AND EXAMPLES IN CAPS. > KEN >=20 >=20 > SEEMS THAT THE SPIRITUAL QUALITIES > THAT ARE 'OPENED' DURING THE LAST QUATER=20 > CENTURY, THEN MUST BE MADE INTO > PRACTICE AND ROOTED IN LONGER TERM 'FORM'.=20 > TINGLEY'S EFFORT (1897-1942) AT POINT=20 >=20 > ART, DRAMA, MUSIC, LITERATURE AND DAILY=20 > PRACTICE. HER IDEA WAS TO MAKE THEOSOPHY=20 > 'INTENSELY PRACTICAL'. IN THE LARGER=20 >=20 > BESANT-OLCOTT, MONTESSORI, STEINER,=20 > KRISHNAMURTI ALL CONTRIBUTED TO THEOSOPHIC=20 >=20 > THROUGHOUT THE CENTURY. I OFFER THIS AS JUST=20 > ONE EXAMPLE. IN OTHER WAYS MUCH WAS=20 >=20 > OF THE 20TH, THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION=20 > FORMED AND THE 'ECLECTIC MEDICAL MOVEMENT'=20 > WAS UTTERLY DESTROYED HAVING TO WAIT FOR=20 >=20 > 1970'S. A FULL 60 YEAR 'DOWN CYCLE'. THIS=20 > IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW A VERY STRONG AN=20 >=20 > FROM 1875-1900 - THE ECLECTIC MEDICAL=20 >=20 > OF YEARS ! (MANY OF HPB'S ASSOCIATES WERE=20 > KEY PEOPLE IN THIS SEE HISTORY OF DR.=20 >=20 > --------------------------- >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > E-mail classificado pelo Identificador de Spam Inteligente Terra. > Para alterar a categoria classificada, visite > http://mail.terra.com.br/protected_email/imail/imail.cgi?+_u=3Dcarlosavel= ine&_l=3D1,1159705569.317182.18350.balcomo.hst.terra.com.br,7882,2003112711= 4101,20031127114101 >=20 > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 29/09/2006 / Vers?o: 4.4.00= /4863 > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://mail.terra.com.br/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From carlosaveline@terra.com.br Mon Oct 02 07:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: carlosaveline@terra.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4918 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 14:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 14:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bundure.hst.terra.com.br) (200.176.10.195) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 14:10:28 -0000 Received: from caiguna.hst.terra.com.br (caiguna.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.10.4]) by bundure.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74A69A0212 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:10:26 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: 9278a52bc8f0f5f8f431bdeccf56b0bc Received-SPF: pass (caiguna.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.4 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.4; envelope-from=carlosaveline@terra.com.br; helo=terra.com.br; Received: from terra.com.br (tamatave.hst.terra.com.br [200.176.3.181]) (authenticated user carlosaveline) by caiguna.hst.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297ABD28192 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:10:26 -0300 (BRT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:10:25 -0300 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 To: "theos-talk" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B115) X-SenderIP: 201.11.161.51 X-Originating-IP: 200.176.10.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "carlosaveline" Subject: Leadbeater & Ratzinger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=264889858; y=N6imPj6sCRJ-ytPo5BoyiNCInzCSkvvvd2reg3jSwUxGnmj1pcGQJ0o X-Yahoo-Profile: cardosoaveline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 36231 Jake, Friends,=20 As you write about C. W.Leabeater, Jake, I see the worldwide news today, th= at BBC World revealed this Sunday, October first, an intriguing fact.=20 Before being Pope Benedictus XVI, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was personally = and directly involved in covering up sexual crimes committed by leading Ro= mish priests. A secret document of the Vatican has been revealed showing th= at.=20=20=20 Obn the other hand, when will the "esoteric popes" in Adyar cease to cover = the absurdities done by that false Bishop Charles Leadbeater and his close= friend, also a pseudo-bishop, Mr. James Wedgwood?=20 The expression "Esoteric Popery" was first used with regard to Adyar TS in = the famous 1900 Letter, which Adyar tries to keep ignored.=20=20 Adyar similarities with the Vatican are many, as we can easily see. Regards, Carlos.=20 De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com C=F3pia: Data:Sun, 1 Oct 2006 05:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Farce on "Lives of Alcyone" > Farce on "Lives of Alcyone" >=20 > Although long, I thought I'd send in this=20 > Farce from the 1920's Australian theosophical=20 > Magazine "Dawn" on Leadbeater's book of the=20 > various reincarnations of neo-theosophists=20 > "The Lives of Alcyone." (Including CWL's=20 > famous "sin-twister" for getting rid of=20 > unwanted karma!) > - jake j. > --------- >=20 > HUMORESQUE >=20 > It was the sacred month of Yam, in the year 24,872, after the engulfing o= f Atlantis in the time of this, our fifth sub-race of the great fifth root-= race. On the bosom of the ocean darkness lay like a sable mantle, for it wa= s midnight and the moon was in the shadow. Near the month of a mystic river= , unsullied by the gaze of earth's profane, a ship rode at anchor, her sail= s set, and stirring in the summer breeze. At just the hour of twelve a bell= , low, vibrant, rang out across the water, and instantly a little boat, in = which were three shrouded figures, pushed out from shore. No one saw, save = a solitary watcher standing motionless at the prow of the anchored vessel. >=20 > "'Tis well, they come." he murmured. The little boat drew near. Without a= word the three figures instantly mounted the ship's ladder and joined the = silent watcher.=20 >=20 > This was no ordinary group of individuals, and this was no commonplace me= eting, for each person, though of an entirely different type, seemed to vib= rate with the fire of one intense purpose. They were none other than the Sa= cred Quadrangle, Keepers of the Eseehe Ittegaps. >=20 > Trebmemac, the Silent Watcher, agile, sensitive, alert, raised his hand i= n greeting. >=20 > "Hail. Ztnarkredeil! faithful server of the Eggbeaters; and thou, Trofeuq= cor; and thou, Regrubmil; Sisters of the Eseehe Ittegaps; hail! hail!" >=20 > "Hail, Trebmemac! Brother of the Sacred Quadrangle. All honor to thy Augu= st Benigness," replied the three. Trofeuqcor, the taller and more stately o= f the two women, spoke. "The Lords of Amrak have decreed that once again th= e Sacred hour shall be called together to protect and provide for their ete= rnal charges, the faithful band of Eggbeaters. Speak, Trebmemac, for the Lo= rds of Amrak have made thee their messenger." >=20 > "Yea, proceed, Brother Trebmemac," said Ztnarkredeil in deep, low tones. >=20 > "Thou knowest," began Trebmemac, "that we, the keepers of the Eseehe Itte= gaps, have not been called to earth since the year 179,463 B.C., at the tim= e of the inundation of Pous Naeb, of the continent of Tuarkruas From the in= nermost recesses of Devachan we have been brought, for the Lords of the Eea= f Krad have sent forth their hosts, and we must indeed make sure that our c= harges shall be provided with safe passage to other planes; otherwise they = perish with earth's profane." >=20 > "Ugh," shuddered Regrubmil, the slight, dark woman of the four, "mention = not the pariah. It gives me feels." >=20 > "You know that this tie which we endure with these our younger brothers, = the Eggbeaters," continued Trebmemac, "was made on the planet Venus, when w= e were all amoeba in the paleozoic ooze. Some splashing dipthoogerm with hu= lking tread, stepped heavily upon us, stamping us into the underlying mud. = To this day our mortal remains lie petrified in the footprint of the monste= r. Until that form is destroyed and our shells released, we shall be bound = to the Eggbeaters, ever responsible for their safety. >=20 > "Thou speakest truly, Brother," said Ztnarkredeil, "so let us execute the= will of the Lords of Amrak. " >=20 > Turning to Trofeuqcor, Trebmemac said solemnly, "The hour has come. Produ= ce the Ancient Bones.'' Whereupon Trofeuqcor, drawing a shining metal case = from her bosom, took from it three round bones; the bones of the left hind = foot of the faithful mastodon that had borne the Reverend Fudgewood across = the frontiers of Atlantis on his ministerial journeyings. A breath of satis= faction escaped from the lips of all. Instantly the sails filled to burstin= g, the anchor raised itself and slipped noiselessly upon the deck. Quicker = than thought the vessel sped over the waves, coming to rest in the limpid w= aters of a southern sea. >=20 > Ztnarkredeil spoke. "Proceed, Brother Trebmemac," he said. Trebmemac then= produced a small tin-can fastened to a long string. This he cast overboard= , filled it with water, and raised it again to the deck. With great reveren= ce he offered it to Trofeuqcor, who immediately dipped her right forefinger= into it. >=20 > "The water, Sister, is it wet?" asked Trebmemac.=20 >=20 > "It is, August One," answered Trofeuqcor.=20 >=20 > "And salt?"' >=20 > "To the last drop, Benign One." >=20 > "Enough! Thou hast reasoned well. This is the sacred spot!" >=20 > "Hush," said Regrubmil, "for I feel." The Quadrangle remained motionless,= waiting, and watching intently Regrubmil's arms, for the flesh was quiveri= ng. "It is well," she murmured at last, "we are now directly over the Sunke= n City of Pous Naeb. Let us summon the silent watchers below, our Brothers = of the Order of the Rats in the Yeast." >=20 > Almost instantly there rose out of the watery deluges, the High Priests o= f the Sunken City. Surrounded they were by a glowing vapor so that the mois= ture of the sea affected them not at all. Quickly they came toward the Sacr= ed Four, but Ztnarkredeil, with imperious gesture, cried, "Hold, Brothers o= f the Order of the Rats in the Yeast, there is the smell of fish on you." >=20 > "Just a school of blues, oh, August One,''' assured Srekcare Tun, the eld= est Brother of the Order, "A school of blues which we passed through as we = rose on the wings of the ether. Fear not; our vows are inviolate. We taste = no flesh." >=20 > "Then 'tis well." said Trebmemac, "we can proceed immediately to business= . We have come together once again, in keeping with our ancient custom, and= in obedience to the Lords of Amrak, for the welfare of our younger brother= s, the Eggbeaters is endangered. You who have sworn to be faithful to the E= seehe Ittegaps have had entrusted to you the futures of these brothers. We = have come to hear thy report. But first must we summon them into the presen= ce of this mighty company, for thereby their evolution will be greatly hast= ened. Trofeuqcor, the call!" >=20 > Whereupon the statuesque Trofeuqcor sent forth over the waters a note tha= t sounded like the humming of bees on the wheat fields of Venus. "Hark, the= y come," said Trebmemac. And silently, one by one, they came wrapped in dee= pest slumber, and stood at the feet of the Sacred Four. >=20 > When they were all assembled there was a flourish without, and lo, in the= ir very midst there materialized the awesome form of Zincwhacker, greatest = of seers, carrying his faithful telescope for reading the Ashcana, and foll= owed by his Sin Twister, the Mystic Einna. After saluting reverently the Sa= cred Four, they greeted lovingly their Brother Rats in the Yeast. With impe= rious mein, Einna then turned to the Eggbeaters, "Awake, oh ye that slumber= !" she cried in trumpet tones. >=20 > A general stampede followed, but order was quickly regained as they appea= red to be easily controlled. Then Ztnarkredeil, stepping forward, addressed= them thus: >=20 > "You have been privileged to appear in this eminent assembly because of t= he tie that exists between you and the Sacred Quadrangle. Know that at one = time we were all amoeba in the mud of Venus. In some way, by fair means or = foul, we got the drop on you and won the first heat. Thus you have been giv= en into our charge, so that in the days of terror that are to come upon the= earth you may he spared the fate that awaits the rest of humanity. You wil= l be conveyed to other spheres by the Brothers of the Order of the Rats in = the Yeast. You will now bear the fates that await you." >=20 > Intense silence followed, Srekcare Tun, High Priest of the Order, solemnl= y approached the Eggbeaters. In his hands he held a tablet of pure gold, fr= om which he read as follows: >=20 > "C. A. Jinrickey, faithful server of the simple-minded we have secured fo= r you a commission to organize group-souls for the nut trees at Shanty Bunk= shooter, the Headquarters of the Order or the Rats in the Yeast, and we hav= e so arranged with the Lords of Amrak that these trees shall individualize = into lush, vigorous Rats in the Yeast in their next incarnations." >=20 > "Unsurpassable," murmured the Quadrangle. while C.A. Jinrickey was nearly= overcome.=20 >=20 > "Solace Heavens Daily," announced the High Priest, "For you is building a= hall where you may speak without interruption for a thousand years. At the= end of this period you will have suficient time - and ouija boards - to co= mplete your great works, 'Shooting the Shoots to Adeptship,' and 'Who's Who= on Jupiter, or How to Get On the Inside Track.'" >=20 > Roarington the Silent was the next addressed. The tense throbbing pause t= hat followed was broken by the voice of Trebmemac, uttering these unwhisper= ed secrets: >=20 > "They'll give him an island in the sea=20 >=20 > Where he shall reign eternally;=20 >=20 > With Merrie Hoots for his queen bee=20 >=20 > There'll be a busy hive for the X.Y.Z." >=20 >=20 > "Hodge-podgers, martyred one," said the High Priest tenderly, "there is a= book concern and lecture hall complete, being prepared for you on Saturn, = with a rule inviolate that it costs one dollar to get in, and two to get ou= t. No questions will be allowed after the lecture. This will give you plent= y of time to sell your books and count the collection. Unlike your colleagu= es, who seem to be inclined to lecture in petticoats, you will appear in ru= nning pants. This will facilitate your passing back and forth from book tab= le to collection box." Here the voice of Trebmemac was once more heard chan= ting: >=20 > "They thrice did offer him a kingly crown, > Which he did thrice refuse." >=20 > "What, refused?'' came in anguished unison from the Eggbeaters. "Brothers= ," replied Trebmemac, reassuringly. "When darkness and silence reign o'er a= ll, and the august backs are turned - he'll grab it!" >=20 > "Resume, Srekcare Tun," ordered Ztnarkredeil.=20 >=20 > "Stooper, thou of the chameleon ancestry, the Lords of Amrak decree that = in return for thy ceaseless yearning to be of service, thou shall be instal= led as a most powerful reflector to light the long, dark night on Venus. Th= ou art particularly fitted to fill this office because of certain special c= haracteristics of thy noble dome, it having proved itself adamantine in qua= lity and at the same time capable of unlimited extension." >=20 > "To Irondale," continued a younger Rat in the Yeast, "we have given compl= ete charge of the twenty-seven expert stenographers who wait on the immorta= ls words or Zincwhacker, the Mighty Seer. This is a most difficult position= , as great care has to he exercised in deciding just which of his teachings= are fit to he shared with those of our younger brothers > who are still under the malignant influence of the intellect." At the wor= d "intellect" a shuddering gasp of horror broke from the Eggbeaters, but th= e young priest continued solemnly: >=20 > "The last of our brothers to receive the decree of the Order of the Rats = in the Yeast is Potson. But as he has a peculiar bit of Karma to pay first,= we will reserve this reading until the next manvantara. He is, as you all = do know, the manufacturer of canned nut foods, and we find that one day his= foot will slip and he will get canned by mistake. At just this time the co= ntinent of America will be inundated, so he will stay canned for many aeons= ." >=20 > "Noble brothers," said Ztnarkredeil, thinking that the priests had comple= ted their report, "your judgment is without flaw. But there is one thing mo= re. What of our remaining brother Eggbeaters, those who have not stood out = from the mass by some supreme act of service as have these of whom you have= spoken, but who have served us without flinching through many lives? What = of them?" >=20 > "Ah, thou remindest me well," answered Srekcare Tun. "Be assured, our fai= thful brothers, the Eggbeaters are well provided for. They were but reserve= d for the last. For them awaits au especially serene future. They will pass= into the Hall of Oblivion of the Intelligence, and here they will rest, un= disturbed until the early rounds of a new planet. Thus will they be spared = the humiliation of developing the mental body." So saying, the noble priest= stepped back, rejoining the group. >=20 > "One little matter, by your permission," said a voice from the crowd. "I = wish to make an important announcement. Mr. Gloster Failey, who is now at l= iberty, has procured a paper mill, a printing press, and a branch post offi= ce. Anyone wishing to pamphleteer the Eggbeaters can now benefit by the ser= vices of this efficiency expert." >=20 > By this time it was noticed that the fumes of the magic punk, burning thr= oughout the ship, were becoming too strong for some of the younger souls. Z= incwhacker stepped forward impessively, and brought all back to attention. = He was about to reveal to them a most arcane secret, when a messenger appea= red, announcing that there had arrived of board a disciple named Nartim wit= h an appeal to Einna. The Mystic eyed him suspiciously. But, as the gaze of= the Eggbeaters was upon her, she said - after a pause - "Admit him." The m= essenger withdrew, reappearing immediately, followed by Nartim. With dignit= y the disciple advanced, saluted his leader, dropped upon one knee, unrolle= d a scroll and read as follows: >=20 > "Most Excellent Einna: For many years we have been your trusted servants.= We have never failed you. In silence we have done your bidding. It has bee= n enough that you have condescended to bid. But now, certain extenuating ci= rcumstances make it necessary that we should speak and tell you that which = we and many of the assembled Eggbeaters do know. There is an evil that dema= nds your immediate attention. It is common knowledge that Zincwhacker for s= ome time has been leading a double life. While demanding from us the strict= est vegetarianism, he has repeatedly been seen by us and by members of our = families indulging in pigs' feet and hotdogs. This is indeed discouraging f= or those of us who for