From Drpsionic@aol.com Sat Apr 01 02:36:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64444 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 10:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 10:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 10:36:47 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.2fb.2003592 (30738) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 05:36:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2fb.2003592.315fb1b6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 05:36:38 EST To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: occultism and irresponsibility X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=uXFvqOp-pEukkZsa8tQ2Jq1Azmy25DHD_2bbkaUDGPGY8FP3EQ X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/31/2006 4:54:17 PM Central Standard Time, robert.b.macdonald@hotmail.com writes: What source do you have for this notion that dabbling in the psychic is virtually harmless? It is all very nice to repeat the statement but it does not make it any more true. Where can I find these 40 years of data? Perhaps you could educate the forum if you would be so kind. Look around you! You might find a useful experience. Chuck the Heretic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Sat Apr 01 03:20:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93897 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 11:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 11:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx03.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.13) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 11:20:50 -0000 Received: from 56347a74.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.122.116] helo=khidr6094418a5) by mx03.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1FPe9s-00054b-0k for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:20:46 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c6557e$c5339490$747a3456@khidr6094418a5> To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:23:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "M. Sufilight" Subject: Re: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=EWk-MI23zTYtOiKYtooTeS-7wH7lQQfs1_s216cCG5Tl X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Hallo Anand and all, My views are: It is certainly a beautiful picture Leadbeater paints of the Masters. But reading the following version about how a master performs activities aught be understood. THE MASTER KHIDR or AL-KHIDR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr ------- Sorry Anand if I sound to blunt. But the Truth about this quote you emailed should not be hidden. Leadbeater would have done much better if he had listened to Blavatsky's article and words in the below, and stopped adding way too much value to the importance of the false Bible and a false doctrine about the Masters and their activities. The article in the link in the above should tell any theosophical beginner seeker that. I do not like it, when "Jesuits" hides the truth from the Seekers after Truth. Please listen to what Blavatsky's says: "I have done; adding but one more word of advice to the Review. In the last quarter of the nineteenth century, when the latest international revision of the Bible—that infallible and revealed Word of God!—reveals 64,000 mistranslations and other mistakes, it is not the Theosophists—a large number of whose members are English patriots and men of learning—but rather the Christians who ought to beware of "wanton aggressiveness" against people of other creeds. Their boomerangs may fly back from some unexpected parabola and hit the throwers." http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/NotAChristian.htm (1879) And what do we have today. How are certain so-called Christians performing their religion today. The "Christian" crusades are still in action. Now it is the politicians, which misuses the Bible and the Vatican keeps their mouth shut way too much, while the crusades are in fullblown action and are being propagandized; (especially from the US Congress). And the beginner Theosophists in the west, are being sponfeed with Leadbeaters - Liberal Catholic Church (LCC), which they only understand on a superficial or fanatical emotional level. I hold it to be true, that the beginner Seekers should not be treated like this. TS Adyar aught to immeadiately siver having any "special" ties with The liberal Catholic Church as long as it serves the purpose of the Jesusits, - either the political Jesusits (especially those in the US Congress) or those Jesuits with strong influence in the Vatican. To me Jesuits are those who are not honest but devious, they infiltrate other groups with a militant Christian agenda and often non-compassionate motives. They stop at nothing but to promote the Christian Bible in a fanatical manner, using voilence in a concealed manner and even black magic. They seek to create emotional cults (for instance like LCC?) rather than people, who think for themselves and become wise, and who knows about the many faults of the Christian Bible and its dogmas. And at the same time the very dangerous Jesuits existence er totally omitted being talked about - even if Blavatsky emphasized this so very much. Just look in the below. TS Adyar will certainly be hit (or are being hit) by the boomerang mentioned by Blavatsky in the above. Here we have Blavatsky's article THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM?, written june 1888. "Therefore, the present opportunity is taken to state, once for all, the views which Theosophists and Occultists entertain with regard to the Society of Jesus. At the same time, all those who are pursuing in life's great wilderness of vain evanescent pleasures and empty conventionalities an ideal worth living for, are offered the choice between the two now once more rising powers--the Alpha and the Omega at the two opposite ends of the realm of giddy, idle existence--THEOSOPHY and JESUITISM. For, in the field of religious and intellectual pursuits, these two are the only luminaries--a good and an evil star, truly--glimmering once more from behind the mists of the Past, and ascending on the horizon of mental activities. They are the only two powers capable in the present day of extricating one thirsty for intellectual life from the clammy slush of the stagnant pool known as Modern Society, so crystallized in its cant, so dreary and monotonous in its squirrel-like motion around the wheel of fashion. Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above, the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one to the spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man. The former is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable, gentle . . . full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy," while the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness. . . ." This is true also today. There is a difference though. From the The Society of Jesus has been created groups with other names than their own, so the more easily can hide their activities to anyone they want to hide them from. - I know the late Pope Paul John II threw a few good words. But, now his very near friend from the "Inquisition" is ruling as a Pope. It seems quite obvious, that the "Jesuits" have branches outside the Catholic groups, and that they are heavily involved with politics and militant activity, even if they say differently. that today, because some of their scriptures are today officially available.) Sorry if I am boring you. But, this email are touching upon important issues of today - and not of the past, Issues aught to be dealt with by TS Adyar in a totally different manner. And this certainly ALSO true to the many of the other groups who call themselves theosophical and pride themeselves of having a wise present day activity going with their publications on what is going on today with the very dangerous Jesuits. Contionous promotions of Leadbeaters half-theosophical doctrines will not help many. But some of what he wrote are allright, and aught to be valued. I am so sorry Anand, but I did not agree with the quote by Leadbeater. Not this time. from M. Sufilight with peace and love... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand Gholap" To: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) > > [ http://www.AnandGholap.net - Online Books on Theosophy ] > > " THERE has been among Theosophical students a great deal of vagueness and > uncertainty about the Masters, so perhaps it may help us to realize how > natural Their lives are, and how there is an ordinary physical side to > them, if I say a few words about the daily life and appearance of some of > Them. There is no one physical characteristic by which an Adept can be > infallibly distinguished from other men, but He always appears impressive, > noble, dignified, holy and serene, and anyone meeting Him could hardly > fail to recognize that he was in the presence of a remarkable man. He is > the strong but silent man, speaking only when He has a definite object in > view, to encourage, to help or to warn, yet He is wonderfully benevolent > and full of a keen sense of humour-- humour always of a kindly order, used > never to wound, but always to lighten the troubles of life. The Master > Morya once said that it is impossible to make progress on the occult Path > without a sense of humour, and certainly all the Adepts whom I have seen > have possessed that qualification. > > 48. Most of Them are distinctly fine-looking men; Their physical bodies > are practically perfect, for They live in complete obedience to the laws > of health, and above all They never worry about anything. All Their evil > karma has long been exhausted, and thus the physical body is as perfect an > expression of the Augoeides or glorified body of the ego as the > limitations of the physical plane will allow, so that not only is the > present body of an Adept usually splendidly handsome, but also new body > that He may take in a subsequent incarnation is likely to be an almost > exact reproduction of the old one, allowing for racial and family > differences, because there is nothing to modify it. This freedom from > karma gives Them, when for any reason They choose to take new bodies, > entire liberty to select a birth in any country or race that may be > convenient for the work that They have to do, and thus the nationality of > the particular bodies which They happen to be wearing at any given time is > not of primary importance. " > > Complete book can be read at > http://anandgholap.net/Masters_And_Path-CWL.htm > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Sat Apr 01 03:46:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79204 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 11:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 11:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx03.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.13) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 11:46:16 -0000 Received: from 56347a74.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.122.116] helo=khidr6094418a5) by mx03.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1FPeYU-0003Pc-0v for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:46:11 +0200 Message-ID: <003701c65582$560bef50$747a3456@khidr6094418a5> To: References: <442CAFE7.5090304@sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:49:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "M. Sufilight" Subject: Re: Theos-World A longer and healthier life? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=YhB3KaoaEXIDBz_uU54Mz3D4ctIBWZDPO9t-puDjH57w X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Yeah... I think, I can understand that. One aught to eat wisely according to time place people and circumstances. So be wise when you eat - if you eat. What you eat is secondary importance, if you eat wisely. The same can be said about reading emails or not reading emails. Some readers are not reading wisely. Or should I say: Most readers are not wise, even those at Theos-talk. Wisdom operates on a higher level, than most members are operating at. Wisdom is priceless. But, I think you already know about this Bart. The following by my Sufi friend Idries Shah will tell the readers about how a being, which at least has some compassion operates on the planet: http://www.idriesshah.info/GrandSheikh.htm 'What do Sufis eat? You're vegetarians, of course.' 'No,' I said. 'You amaze me!' he said. "I said to him, 'Now if I can be of any use to you, write that down and see what it means. What it means is that you have been able to elicit from me a reaction which helps you to describe yourself. 'You amaze me.' Why do I amaze you? I amaze because you think that all metaphysicians must be vegetarians. Does that tell you anything about me? It tells you things about yourself! Now when are you going to get out of that, and learn things about yourself, and not think that you're learning things about other people?" Shah leans forward, gesturing with the knife and fork. "We are not totemists who eat brown rice and consult the I Ching. That is not the Sufi at all, my friend. We have other things to do than have a lifestyle. We are getting on with our thing. And our thing does not impose on us the sort of restrictions which other people use as a substitute for getting on with their thing. You can either do something, or you can pretend to be doing something. "Western society seems to have exhausted all its investigative potential. It is largely composed of cul-de-sacs. One cul-de-sac is marked Lifestyle; one is marked Vegetarianism, and so on. People want to know about the Sufis in terms of what limitations they observe. 'What do you eat for breakfast?' 'How many pairs of socks do you wear?' "What is the relevance of such questions? Why don't they ask something about what I am doing? One of our traditional functions has been to point out the limitations other people have been putting on themselves, not to impose limitations on other people. That's what the gurus do. We seek to expand, increase vision, deepen perception. You don't live by decreasing these qualities. "That's why you don't find any lifestyle with us, brother. There's no eating of brown rice, and no muttering of Sanskrit mantras in our way." With that, Shah turns back to the beef and the beer. ------- M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Lidofsky" To: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:28 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World A longer and healthier life? > carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote: >> I completely agree that vegetarian food is often better in all respects >> than >> the old meat-based food. >> >> And it is a well-known fact that vegetarians tend to have a longer and >> better life from the viewpoint of health. > > I was on a vegetarian diet. I developed high blood pressure, high > cholesterol, diabetes and occasional bouts of gout. I went back to a > meat-based diet, and everything returned to normal and I haven't had an > attack of gout since. > > Bart > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Sat Apr 01 03:51:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41234 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 11:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 11:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx03.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.13) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 11:51:23 -0000 Received: from 56347a74.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.122.116] helo=khidr6094418a5) by mx03.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1FPedQ-0006OU-2b for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:51:17 +0200 Message-ID: <004001c65583$0d6ef4d0$747a3456@khidr6094418a5> To: References: <01f501c6536c$c693dbb0$0c6e280a@scribe> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:54:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "M. Sufilight" Subject: Re: Theos-World call center movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=GGWPfzOQvByL-kkx54KXrxgcy8wL90exDFisRtkI6LaW X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Thanks Eldon. I had a good laugh. And I am still meditationg on the content of the movie. The movie made me wonder, what would happen to the members at Theos-talk if the Internet had to close down. How would each individual change their lifestyles? The reader could meditate on that for a while. M. Sufilight ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon B Tucker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: Theos-World call center movie > Something I saw at work > > Eldon > > ---- > > . . . a hilarious short movie made > by NYU Film school students > > http://callcentermovie.com/movie/movie.html > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From carlosaveline@hotmail.com Sat Apr 01 06:21:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: carlosaveline@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89614 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 14:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 14:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.224.40) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 14:21:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 06:21:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:21:04 GMT X-Originating-Email: [carlosaveline@hotmail.com] X-Sender: carlosaveline@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <2cf.67f305d.315ef85c@aol.com> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:21:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2006 14:21:08.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[84DFA5F0:01C65597] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.224.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" Subject: Socratic Chuck Strikes Again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214871911 Chuck, It is not so. The matter of the fact is that, very much like old Socrates, you are probably concealing your divine optimism and your faith in human beings, out of modesty and care. No need to conceal it too much among us, though. Regards, Carlos. >From: Drpsionic@aol.com >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Theos-World HPB, Socrates & Wise People >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:25:48 EST > > >In a message dated 3/31/2006 2:58:02 PM Central Standard Time, >carlosaveline@hotmail.com writes: > >"There was a time when the acquirement of Divine Wisdom (Sapientia) >required > >the sacrifice and devotion of a man’s whole life. It depended on such >tings as the purity of the candidate’s motives; on his fearlessness and >independence of spirit; but now, to receive a patent for wisdom and >adeptship requires only unblushing impudence.” (1) > > > > > >things are obviously much better now than they were then. Our impudence >would never even dream of blushing. In fact I don't think I even know how >to. > >Chuck the Heretic > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ COPA 2006: Enfeite o seu MSN Messenger de verde e amarelo! http://copa.br.msn.com/extra/emoticons/ From carlosaveline@hotmail.com Sat Apr 01 06:40:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: carlosaveline@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36716 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 14:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 14:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.224.41) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 14:40:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 06:39:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:38:56 GMT X-Originating-Email: [carlosaveline@hotmail.com] X-Sender: carlosaveline@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <244.9aa1a6f.315ef697@aol.com> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:38:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2006 14:39:01.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[0468CF20:01C6559A] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.224.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" Subject: To Chuck on Eternal Time & Teaching X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214871911 Friends and Chuck, Of course, Masters' teaching does not reflect (outer) "reality". I am happy with that. OUTER reality, though, does reflect Masters's teaching, but it has to be seen long-term to be understood. It depends on the perspective. Masters' teaching refers to long periods of time, not to "40 years of personal experience"... it refers to aeons, to the eternal now, and to the way ot its perception. It refers to eternal time and boundless space, of which we are parts. (Mostly unknowingly, though.) Carlos. >From: Drpsionic@aol.com >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: occultism and irresponsibility >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:18:15 EST > > >In a message dated 3/31/2006 12:19:07 PM Central Standard Time, >carlosaveline@hotmail.com writes: > >Because few people care for the Masters teaching, the world is as it is. > > > >And that is because the Master's teaching does not reflect reality. > >Chuck the Heretic > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Seja um dos primeiros a testar o Windows Live Messenger Beta a geraçăo do seu MSN Messenger. http://imagine-msn.com/minisites/messenger/default.aspx?locale=pt-br From robert.b.macdonald@hotmail.com Sat Apr 01 07:44:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.b.macdonald@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6172 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 15:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 15:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 15:44:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 15:44:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2006 15:44:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:44:46 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2fb.2003592.315fb1b6@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 199.126.25.186 From: "robert_b_macd" Subject: Theos-World Re: occultism and irresponsibility X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257111513; y=cAFwskklxlkqHilGv3L0O-e2Ba1bE2mUvPPzPoTSjGWrtmEvDxMvxg X-Yahoo-Profile: robert_b_macd I see. The 40 years of experience is your own personal experience, and it is based on this that we should find psychic dabbling harmless. I have some problems universalizing from one observer. The problem is that my own observations, that do no even span 40 years, tell me quite the opposite. Consequently, the cautions given by HPB, Judge, and the Masters, I find to be quite prudent. Really the argument is not all that difficult to follow. Power corrupts those not ready for it. Without the moral strength, power twists and disfigures. For those with more rigid constitutions, it can shatter (as in minds). If you teach a moral pervert, or someone with the seeds of a moral perversion, how to astral travel, the power will ultimately be used in perverted ways. Why would anyone think otherwise? Your belief is a perplexing one. Sincerely, Bruce --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote: > >=20=20 > In a message dated 3/31/2006 4:54:17 PM Central Standard Time,=20=20 > robert.b.macdonald@... writes: >=20 > What source do you have for this notion that > dabbling in the psychic is virtually harmless? It is all very nice to > repeat the statement but it does not make it any more true. Where can > I find these 40 years of data? Perhaps you could educate the forum if > you would be so kind. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Look around you! >=20=20 > You might find a useful experience. >=20=20 > Chuck the Heretic >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From carlosaveline@hotmail.com Sat Apr 01 07:54:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: carlosaveline@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99951 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 15:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 15:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.224.30) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 15:54:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:53:43 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:53:38 GMT X-Originating-Email: [carlosaveline@hotmail.com] X-Sender: carlosaveline@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:53:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2006 15:53:43.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[73D4EF10:01C655A4] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.224.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" Subject: THE ONLY REAL TEMPLE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214871911 oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo THE ONLY REAL TEMPLE -- WHERE IS IT? ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Dear Friends, Outer, physical Temples can be seen, at best, as metaphors for, or projections of, the temple or divine presence in our own consciousness. Referring to the old Socrates of Athens, , H. P. Blavatsky wrote: “From the days of the primitive man described by the first Vedic poet, down to our modern poet, there has not been a philosopher worthy of that name, who did not carry in the silent sanctuary of his heart the grand and mysterious truth. If initiated, he learnt it as a sacred science; if otherwise, then, like Socrates repeating to himself, as well as to his fellow-men, the noble injuction, ‘O man, know thyself’’, he succeeded in recognizing his God within himself." (1) The esoteric movement is only a stimulating and testing common ground for that inner recognition. Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline NOTE: (1) “Isis Unveiled”, by H. P. Blavatsky, Theosophical University Press, Pasadena, California, USA, 1988, two volumes, see volume II, p. 318. Reproduced by H.P. Blavatsky in “Collected Writing”, TPH Wheaton, volume XIV, 1985, 733 pp., see p. 48. _________________________________________________________________ Facilite sua vida: Use o Windows Desktop Search e encontre qualquer arquivo ou e-mail em seu PC. Acesse: http://desktop.msn.com.br From carlosaveline@hotmail.com Sat Apr 01 08:39:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: carlosaveline@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70358 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.224.49) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:39:04 GMT X-Originating-Email: [carlosaveline@hotmail.com] X-Sender: carlosaveline@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:39:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2006 16:39:06.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAEC1A70:01C655AA] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.224.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" Subject: Re: Peace, Calm & Occultism X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=214871911 Dear Bruce, dear Chuck, I agree with Bruce and I add: caution was not recomended by HPB, Judge and the Masters only. It is an old tradition. To plant before harvesting is an ancient idea. The New Testament has lots of sentences about the virtue of waiting for the right time. So have the philosophical taoism ("Tao Te King" ) the Hindu "Bhagavad Gita", etc. Anxiety for results is short-term, and the esoteric doctrines of every tradition are long-term. Search for personal psychic powers (siddhis) may lead you to visit MARS and MERCURY and to describe physical plane houses, gardens, agriculture and politics there, or to "talk to Lord Christ", as "Bishop" Leadbeater, the pseudo-initiate, did. (I will not mention other things...) On the other hand, altruism, right effort and patience will lead you to understand the LAW or DHARMA. This is no theory. It is Theosophy and Practice. It is common sense. We all can have small scale, objetive, successful experiences along this road. Regards, Carlos. >From: "robert_b_macd" >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Theos-World Re: occultism and irresponsibility >Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:44:46 -0000 > >I see. The 40 years of experience is your own personal experience, >and it is based on this that we should find psychic dabbling harmless. > I have some problems universalizing from one observer. The problem >is that my own observations, that do no even span 40 years, tell me >quite the opposite. Consequently, the cautions given by HPB, Judge, >and the Masters, I find to be quite prudent. Really the argument is >not all that difficult to follow. Power corrupts those not ready for >it. Without the moral strength, power twists and disfigures. For >those with more rigid constitutions, it can shatter (as in minds). If >you teach a moral pervert, or someone with the seeds of a moral >perversion, how to astral travel, the power will ultimately be used in >perverted ways. Why would anyone think otherwise? Your belief is a >perplexing one. > >Sincerely, >Bruce > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/31/2006 4:54:17 PM Central Standard Time, > > robert.b.macdonald@... writes: > > > > What source do you have for this notion that > > dabbling in the psychic is virtually harmless? It is all very nice to > > repeat the statement but it does not make it any more true. Where can > > I find these 40 years of data? Perhaps you could educate the forum if > > you would be so kind. > > > > > > > > Look around you! > > > > You might find a useful experience. > > > > Chuck the Heretic > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ COPA 2006: (Ż`·._.·[ Ooooooola ]·._.·´Ż) e + frases para seu MSN Clique aqui! http://copa.br.msn.com/extra/frases/ From Drpsionic@aol.com Sat Apr 01 08:43:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18054 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 16:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 16:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 16:43:12 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.2ee.46d06b4 (63024) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:42:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ee.46d06b4.31600786@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:42:46 EST To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Socratic Chuck Strikes Again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=hygoP7RFtaWFsQj83xTV7A9gsw-JOTdSdahGZN_Wfb8EeefsEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/1/2006 8:22:40 AM Central Standard Time, carlosaveline@hotmail.com writes: No need to conceal it too much among us, though. There is more need here than anywhere else. Chuck the Heretic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Sat Apr 01 08:59:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28056 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 16:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 16:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 16:55:24 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.1a9.4992c562 (63024) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:54:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a9.4992c562.31600a5f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:54:55 EST To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World To Chuck on Eternal Time & Teaching X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=uNr6_Sl99yvYrNx6bXyygi8TvHB3sBXy-LiZ7bgOTLlIk0pjLw X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/1/2006 8:41:00 AM Central Standard Time, carlosaveline@hotmail.com writes: Masters' teaching refers to long periods of time, not to "40 years of personal experience"... it refers to aeons, to the eternal now, and to the way ot its perception. Then the Master's teaching is truly worthless. We live our lives one lifetime at a time, not aeons, and the eternal now is an eternal myth. We cannot live with that. We cannot live with an idea that would have us walk out the back door and into the middle ages or some other part of the galaxy. The evidence is that it is not true. And even if it were, we could not survive in such a universe and function as humans. All that we really have, that we can rely upon, is our experience and the collected experience of humanity that we call history and science. Everything else is but superstition, dreams and the attempt by those who should know better to manipulate those who truly do know better. Perhaps Theosophy would be better served by burning the books rather than by studying them. Chuck the Heretic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Sat Apr 01 09:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58107 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 17:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 17:17:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 17:17:40 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.2ad.f3ae65 (63024) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:17:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ad.f3ae65.31600fa0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:17:20 EST To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: occultism and irresponsibility X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=C5HdENvtfR8aDZV-YBEon0TtfSPny91WkCaWPSZ8-_6n0N4lsg X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/1/2006 9:45:33 AM Central Standard Time, robert.b.macdonald@hotmail.com writes: Consequently, the cautions given by HPB, Judge, and the Masters, I find to be quite prudent. Really the argument is not all that difficult to follow. Power corrupts those not ready for it. Without the moral strength, power twists and disfigures. For those with more rigid constitutions, it can shatter (as in minds). If you teach a moral pervert, or someone with the seeds of a moral perversion, how to astral travel, the power will ultimately be used in perverted ways. Why would anyone think otherwise? Your belief is a perplexing one. It is based on more than my experience, difficult as that may be for you to understand. I reject the moral basis of any argument. Morality is a chimera, a 19th century delusion. Believe me, I am a moral pervert in ways you cannot begin to imagine. The question is this, and I have raised it in forums with people who actually can think beyond a book, is what effect on society has 100 years of large segments of society actively engaged in paranormal activity at some level, from reading the horoscopes in newspapers, to playing with Ouija Boards (and that principal is a lot older, we have records from the Roman Empire of similar devices) to using varying form of psychic influence in their daily lives. I use the 40 year mark because it was about 40 years ago that the psychic boom began with the massive media interest in psychics like Jeanne Dixon, Edgar Cayce and others, and then blossoming out into other areas. And from the data available, there has been no sign of any social dislocation that can be attributed to that. You need to look at mortality statistics, crime statistics (and those relate more to demographics than anything else so you have to be careful with them) verifiable mental illness taking into account changes in theory and documentation. The answer is nothing. But, we know that it is having an effect at the personal level. The person who knows that a simple mental procedure can make the traffic cop look the other way at the right time has changed the relationship in the power dynamic between himself and the traffic cop. A small thing, but one that has major consequences in the whole life of that person for now he is not a tiny, helpless person in the grip of forces he cannot control. He is the one excerising control. And there are literally millions of people doing that. One merely has to look at the sales of books on the subject of psychic powers and magick over the decades. Even if a small percentage of the people buying those books has gotten significant results, the numbers of people are still huge. So if that many people now believe that they can change their private world (and that is the world they seek to change, people don't worry a lot about the world at large, they have too many more important things to deal with in their lives) there has got to be a ripple effect somewhere but that ripple effect has NOT been to damage those people's lives. There is no discernable personal danger. What it may do to the broader society is another matter, but that is not going to stop anyone. And we really do not have a handle on what it is doing to the broader society yet. Now that may screw with the morality of our 19th century forebears, but they are dead and cremated and their morality should be cremated with them. Besides, corruption is cool. Recognize that. Given the choice between the good that benefits others and the evil that benefits one'self, the rational man will choose the evil that benefits himself. That may be perceived as a danger to one who cares about morality. To one to whom morality is the irrelevancy of all irrelevancy, you need a better argument. Chuck the Heretic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Drpsionic@aol.com Sat Apr 01 09:19:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64840 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 17:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 17:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 17:19:49 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id r.336.133fe2e (63024) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:19:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <336.133fe2e.31601025@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:19:33 EST To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Peace, Calm & Occultism X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162; y=isdQh3bfEaT3cGm1vLuRwnalUXkgvR77q5dfRJc3uQ9e5JHyKA X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/1/2006 10:39:31 AM Central Standard Time, carlosaveline@hotmail.com writes: On the other hand, altruism, right effort and patience will lead you to understand the LAW or DHARMA. We do not think the earth is flat any more. We do not think that thunder is the manifestation of an angry god. And we know that altruism is nothing more than the manifestion of mental illness, in some ways profound mental illness. The old teachings make good kindling, though there is some nice poetry in there. Chuck the Heretic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kier10@comcast.net Sat Apr 01 10:16:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kier10@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47252 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 18:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 18:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.200.81) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 18:16:53 -0000 Received: from usera62c0b3c73 (c-24-126-156-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[24.126.156.100]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060401180723011002qlkte>; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:07:23 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c655b7$1be2eab0$6401a8c0@usera62c0b3c73> To: References: <256.90bf94c.315e346e@cs.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:07:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.200.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "DENNIS KIER" Subject: Re: Theos-World viewing the call center video X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=232467671 Thanks. I have sort of a modified version of that. Zone Alarm monitors things like that and blocks most of them, and asks if something wants to send messages out, and Spyware Doctor deletes cookies on it's own, and then informs me. Zone Alarm has a firewall, and I have a router as a firewall, which is turned off when I am not on the internet. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World viewing the call center video > Dennis, > You don't have to have any cookies on your machine if you don't want > them > to be there. You can open Internet Explorer, click "tools," click > "internet > options," then in the middle section of the popup you see a "delete > cookies" > option, click that and then "OK" and all your cookies are gone. If you > have a > Firewall you can also set it to "Prompt" you each time a site wants to > place a > cookie and then you can make individual decision to allow or reject. Or > you can > set it to "reject" all cookies. > > John From kier10@comcast.net Sat Apr 01 12:00:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: kier10@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49465 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2006 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2006 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.192.82) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2006 20:00:22 -0000 Received: from usera62c0b3c73 (c-24-126-156-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[24.126.156.100]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060401190458m1200jfppse>; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:04:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c655bf$2745fb10$6401a8c0@usera62c0b3c73> To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:04:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.192.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "DENNIS KIER" Subject: Re: Leadbeater X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=232467671 "In the 1890s, Annie Besant worked with psychic C. C. Leadbeater in an imaginative study to describe the structure of atoms. We believe that in this early research at the English Theosophical Society, Leadbeater was the first person in the world to describe the distinctive nuclear structure of the three isotopes of hydrogen. In his book OCCULT CHEMISTRY, published in 1898, he wrote that he clairvoyantly saw that a given atom of hydrogen could have one, two, or three particles in its nucleus, and still be hydrogen. Isotopes had not yet been discovered by chemists. Leadbeater reported that atoms of different atomic weights could still retain their chemical identity." Quoted on page 74, Miracles of Mind, by Russell Targ and Jane Katra, Ph.D. Pub New World Library, 1998, ISBN 1-57731-070-5 In one of the publisher’s blurbs on the back cover, one paragraph says, "Targ presents the conclusions of his 20 years of remote-viewing experiments for the Stanford Research Institute, and reveals for the first time the results of recently declassified CIA experiments in psychic spying during the Cold War...." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand Gholap" To: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 17:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63159 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 01:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 01:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.107) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 01:13:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 88569 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2006 01:13:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060402011336.88567.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [211.28.165.96] by web52104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:13:36 PST Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:13:36 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001601c6557e$c5339490$747a3456@khidr6094418a5> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=E75BkTP7F8t6sMENUdLA9J50OJuFrjUHIy5GnOYgiGe1QKPd9A X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for this posting Morten, it is very appropriate to the times ahead. Cass "M. Sufilight" wrote: Hallo Anand and all, My views are: It is certainly a beautiful picture Leadbeater paints of the Masters. But reading the following version about how a master performs activities=20 aught be understood. THE MASTER KHIDR or AL-KHIDR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr ------- Sorry Anand if I sound to blunt. But the Truth about this quote you emailed= =20 should not be hidden. Leadbeater would have done much better if he had listened to Blavatsky's=20 article and words in the below, and stopped adding way too much value to th= e=20 importance of the false Bible and a false doctrine about the Masters and=20 their activities. The article in the link in the above should tell any=20 theosophical beginner seeker that. I do not like it, when "Jesuits" hides the truth from the Seekers after=20 Truth. Please listen to what Blavatsky's says: "I have done; adding but one more word of advice to the Review. In the last= =20 quarter of the nineteenth century, when the latest international revision o= f=20 the Bible=EF=BF=BDthat infallible and revealed Word of God!=EF=BF=BDreveals= 64,000=20 mistranslations and other mistakes, it is not the Theosophists=EF=BF=BDa la= rge=20 number of whose members are English patriots and men of learning=EF=BF=BDbu= t rather=20 the Christians who ought to beware of "wanton aggressiveness" against peopl= e=20 of other creeds. Their boomerangs may fly back from some unexpected parabol= a=20 and hit the throwers." http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/NotAChristian.htm (1879) And what do we have today. How are certain so-called Christians performing= =20 their religion today. The "Christian" crusades are still in action. Now it is the politicians,=20 which misuses the Bible and the Vatican keeps their mouth shut way too much= ,=20 while the crusades are in fullblown action and are being propagandized;=20 (especially from the US Congress). And the beginner Theosophists in the=20 west, are being sponfeed with Leadbeaters - Liberal Catholic Church (LCC),= =20 which they only understand on a superficial or fanatical emotional level. I= =20 hold it to be true, that the beginner Seekers should not be treated like=20 this. TS Adyar aught to immeadiately siver having any "special" ties with The=20 liberal Catholic Church as long as it serves the purpose of the Jesusits, -= =20 either the political Jesusits (especially those in the US Congress) or thos= e=20 Jesuits with strong influence in the Vatican. To me Jesuits are those who=20 are not honest but devious, they infiltrate other groups with a militant=20 Christian agenda and often non-compassionate motives. They stop at nothing= =20 but to promote the Christian Bible in a fanatical manner, using voilence in= =20 a concealed manner and even black magic. They seek to create emotional cult= s=20 (for instance like LCC?) rather than people, who think for themselves and=20 become wise, and who knows about the many faults of the Christian Bible and= =20 its dogmas. And at the same time the very dangerous Jesuits existence er=20 totally omitted being talked about - even if Blavatsky emphasized this so=20 very much. Just look in the below. TS Adyar will certainly be hit (or are=20 being hit) by the boomerang mentioned by Blavatsky in the above. Here we have Blavatsky's article THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM?, written june 1888= . "Therefore, the present opportunity is taken to state, once for all, the views which Theosophists and Occultists entertain with regard to the Societ= y of Jesus. At the same time, all those who are pursuing in life's great wilderness of vain evanescent pleasures and empty conventionalities an idea= l worth living for, are offered the choice between the two now once more rising powers--the Alpha and the Omega at the two opposite ends of the real= m of giddy, idle existence--THEOSOPHY and JESUITISM. For, in the field of religious and intellectual pursuits, these two are the only luminaries--a good and an evil star, truly--glimmering once more from behind the mists of the Past, and ascending on the horizon of mental activities. They are the only two powers capable in the present day of extricating one thirsty for intellectual life from the clammy slush of the stagnant pool known as Modern Society, so crystallized in its cant, so dreary and monotonous in its squirrel-like motion around the wheel of fashion. Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above, the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one to the spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man. The former is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable, gentle . . . full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy," while the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness. . . ." This is true also today. There is a difference though. From the The Society of Jesus has been created groups with other names than their own, so the more easily can hide their activities to anyone they want to hide them from. - I know the late Pope Paul John II threw a few good words. But, now his very near friend from the "Inquisition" is ruling as a Pope. It seems quite obvious, that the "Jesuits" have branches outside the Catholic groups, and that they are heavily involved with politics and militant activity, even if they say differently. that today, because some of their scriptures are today officially available.) Sorry if I am boring you. But, this email are touching upon important issues of today - and not of th= e=20 past, Issues aught to be dealt with by TS Adyar in a totally different manner. An= d=20 this certainly ALSO true to the many of the other groups who call themselve= s=20 theosophical and pride themeselves of having a wise present day activity=20 going with their publications on what is going on today with the very=20 dangerous Jesuits. Contionous promotions of Leadbeaters half-theosophical doctrines will not=20 help many. But some of what he wrote are allright, and aught to be valued. I am so sorry Anand, but I did not agree with the quote by Leadbeater. Not= =20 this time. from M. Sufilight with peace and love... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Anand Gholap"=20 To:=20 Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) > > [ http://www.AnandGholap.net - Online Books on Theosophy ] > > " THERE has been among Theosophical students a great deal of vagueness an= d=20 > uncertainty about the Masters, so perhaps it may help us to realize how=20 > natural Their lives are, and how there is an ordinary physical side to=20 > them, if I say a few words about the daily life and appearance of some of= =20 > Them. There is no one physical characteristic by which an Adept can be=20 > infallibly distinguished from other men, but He always appears impressive= ,=20 > noble, dignified, holy and serene, and anyone meeting Him could hardly=20 > fail to recognize that he was in the presence of a remarkable man. He is= =20 > the strong but silent man, speaking only when He has a definite object in= =20 > view, to encourage, to help or to warn, yet He is wonderfully benevolent= =20 > and full of a keen sense of humour-- humour always of a kindly order, use= d=20 > never to wound, but always to lighten the troubles of life. The Master=20 > Morya once said that it is impossible to make progress on the occult Path= =20 > without a sense of humour, and certainly all the Adepts whom I have seen= =20 > have possessed that qualification. > > 48. Most of Them are distinctly fine-looking men; Their physical bodies=20 > are practically perfect, for They live in complete obedience to the laws= =20 > of health, and above all They never worry about anything. All Their evil= =20 > karma has long been exhausted, and thus the physical body is as perfect a= n=20 > expression of the Augoeides or glorified body of the ego as the=20 > limitations of the physical plane will allow, so that not only is the=20 > present body of an Adept usually splendidly handsome, but also new body=20 > that He may take in a subsequent incarnation is likely to be an almost=20 > exact reproduction of the old one, allowing for racial and family=20 > differences, because there is nothing to modify it. This freedom from=20 > karma gives Them, when for any reason They choose to take new bodies,=20 > entire liberty to select a birth in any country or race that may be=20 > convenient for the work that They have to do, and thus the nationality of= =20 > the particular bodies which They happen to be wearing at any given time i= s=20 > not of primary importance. " > > Complete book can be read at > http://anandgholap.net/Masters_And_Path-CWL.htm > > > > > Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silva_cass@yahoo.com Sat Apr 01 19:32:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: silva_cass@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49450 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 03:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 03:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web52103.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.48.106) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 03:32:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 70141 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2006 03:31:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20060402033105.70139.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [211.28.165.96] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:31:05 PST Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:31:05 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.48.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Cass Silva Subject: Re: Theos-World THE ONLY REAL TEMPLE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203519531; y=eMdnMXVbC-X5OqhueQkefmOs3XR-j3PKxQGOrUk2ARGwytF_Pg X-Yahoo-Profile: silva_cass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Carlos I read this a little differently in that HPB is suggesting that Socrates wa= s not initiated, but new the path to initiation came by knowing thyself. S= elf, whether divine or human. So perhaps she is suggesting that the first = stage is to know our human self, in truth and without judgement before the = heavenly man will manifest? Cass if otherwise, then, like Socrates repeating to himself, as well as to his=20 fellow-men, the noble injuction, =E2=80=98O man, know thyself=E2=80=99=E2= =80=99, he succeeded=20 in=20 recognizing his God within himself." (1) Cass carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:=20 oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo THE ONLY REAL TEMPLE -- WHERE IS IT? ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Dear Friends, Outer, physical Temples can be seen, at best, as metaphors for, or projections of, the temple or divine presence in our own consciousness. Referring to the old Socrates of Athens, , H. P. Blavatsky wrote: =EF=BF=BDFrom the days of the primitive man described by the first Vedic p= oet, down=20 to our modern poet, there has not been a philosopher worthy of that name,=20 who did not carry in the silent sanctuary of his heart the grand and=20 mysterious truth. If initiated, he learnt it as a sacred science; if=20 otherwise, then, like Socrates repeating to himself, as well as to his=20 fellow-men, the noble injuction, =EF=BF=BDO man, know thyself=EF=BF=BD=EF= =BF=BD, he succeeded in=20 recognizing his God within himself." (1) The esoteric movement is only a stimulating and testing common ground for=20 that inner recognition. Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline NOTE: (1) =EF=BF=BDIsis Unveiled=EF=BF=BD, by H. P. Blavatsky, Theosophical Unive= rsity Press,=20 Pasadena, California, USA, 1988, two volumes, see volume II, p. 318.=20=20 Reproduced by H.P. Blavatsky in =EF=BF=BDCollected Writing=EF=BF=BD, TPH Wh= eaton, volume=20=20 XIV, 1985, 733 pp., see p. 48. _________________________________________________________________ Facilite sua vida: Use o Windows Desktop Search e encontre qualquer arquivo= =20 ou e-mail em seu PC. Acesse: http://desktop.msn.com.br =20 Yahoo! Groups Links =20 =09=09 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ coun= tries) for 2=A2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mkr777@gmail.com Sat Apr 01 21:01:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkr777@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94806 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 05:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 05:01:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.182.191) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 05:01:11 -0000 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o63so802235nfa for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.164.13 with SMTP id m13mr1416880nfe; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.238.9 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:01:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:01:09 -0600 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008301c654df$d97d5e30$0a0110ac@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <008301c654df$d97d5e30$0a0110ac@DALLAS> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "M K Ramadoss" Subject: Re: Theos-World VEGETARIANISM -- ANIMALS AS FOOD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243096636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me add a personal experience which may help some. One of the members of my family (who is a life long vegetarian) had kidney failure 3 years ago and the kidney was marginally functioning and was expected to go on dialysis any time. Till today, the member has avoided dialysis. The Kidney specialist told me, normally at the current level of functioning most people would be on dialysis and the vegetarian food helped avoid dialysis since vegetarian diet puts less stress on kidney. I am sure most Kidney specialists do not recommend to their patients whose kidneys are not funtioning well to go vegetarian as it would delay their getting on dialysis. Dialysis is very stressful on the patient and there are several serious complications associated with it. mkr On 3/31/06, W.Dallas TenBroeck wrote: > > Friday, March 31, 2006 > > > Dear Friends: > > Inquiries recently about food for mankind indicate that THEOSOPHY views > vegetarianism as a more suitable source. > > Here are some statements made: > >>>>> rest clipped <<<<<<<< [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From leonmaurer@aol.com Sat Apr 01 21:06:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: LeonMaurer@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99561 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 05:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 05:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 05:06:47 -0000 Received: from LeonMaurer@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id j.2ed.47518bd (62952); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:06:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ed.47518bd.3160b5c2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:06:10 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: leonmaurer@aol.com Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] Re: MindBrain Coversations on Channeling X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4099972; y=Lg1n9u15Ss3VVjUzmsYiAobXkwIXxRcJBiItlw8zNoZ68w8EchA X-Yahoo-Profile: leonmaurer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alfredo and Ed, It seems we are pretty much in general agreement as to the primal source of= =20 consciousness. Unfortunately, I don't think science, as it is now ruled, = is=20 ready to accept such a dualistic concept that can't be proven empirically. = :-) As for my ABC theory and resultant model respecting the inflation and fract= al=20 involution of fields of multidimensional (coadunate but not consubstantial)= =20 matter out of the circling spinergy (G-force of angular momentum) or=20 "singularity" surrounding the absolute (empty) zero-point of cosmic conscio= usness prior=20 to the "big bang" ... It comes from my (with the help of a physicist teache= r=20 and collaborator) reverse engineering the Cosmos as it appears to our sense= s=20 and as it actually exists metrically in accord with the theories of relativ= ity=20 and quantum mechanics (merged by string theory) ... And, by so doing,=20 attempting to find a logical source and probable cause of the total mass-en= ergy forms=20 of matter it now contains -- without violating the fundamental laws of=20 conservation, symmetry, entropy, relativity, thermodynamics, electrodynamic= s,=20 evolution, etc., etc.=20=20=20 The resulting field inflations, apparently also explain the source of "dark= =20 matter" and "dark energy" that, while postulated to exist by current=20 cosmological physics theories, is still baffling scientists in understandin= g what they=20 are and where they came from. Consequently, because of its simplicity as well as inherent logic, I think= =20 that this theory and model -- while still unfalsifiable by scientific metho= ds,=20 and therefore, more or less philosophical -- is not only parsimonious and=20 elegant, but also entirely consistent with most scientific theories of phys= ics now=20 accepted as being valid -- including those mathematical theories of relativ= ity=20 and quantum gravity that also lead to metaphysical conclusions -- and=20 therefore, are also unfalsifiable scientifically... Although, not necessa= rily=20 mathematically (should science accept their so called "unreal" or "imaginar= y"=20 solutions. :-) Using mind experiments based on this "inflated" ABC model, and considering= =20 the ubiquitous zero-point centers of consciousness located everywhere -- I = find=20 it easy to explain, not only the hard problems of conscious experience and= =20 brain-mind binding, but all the psychic phenomena, altered states of=20 consciousness, near death experiences and other paradoxical subjective and = psychic aspects=20 of our existence that reductive, material based physical science cannot=20 explain.=20=20=20=20 As for "vibration" with reference to information holographically stored as= =20 wave interference patterns on the surfaces of the coenergetic fields and=20 transferable from field to field by analogous electromagnetic inductive/res= onance=20 processes... This theory concludes that such vibration is governed by the l= aws of=20 cycles and periodicity inherent in the original zero-point circular spinerg= y,=20 and that all the experience and knowledge of a previous cosmic phenomenal=20 existence remains forever stored in the interference patterns of such spine= rgy.=20=20=20 All Eastern metaphysical sciences refer to such a field as the Akasha or=20 universal memory -- that, being infinite, contains all possibilities of pas= t=20 present and future cosmic awakenings. Thus, concluding that there is noth= ing that=20 can occur in the Cosmos that wasn't, isn't, or will be experienced by it an= d=20 one or another of its conscious beings, one or more times throughout eterni= ty.=20 (Thus be dragons, doppelgangers, and other so called "figments of our=20 imaginations.":-) To picture this basic formation of the inflated coenergetic fields that=20 expand out of that primal spinergy, imagine a continuous line of a single s= pinning=20 point of absolute space spiraling around itself in opposite circular=20 directions at infinite velocity on an infinite number of spherical axes....= Thus, upon=20 initial radiation and inflation, accounting for the polarity of all analogo= us=20 electromagnetic fields and their quantum particles on all hyperspace=20 dimensions of differing frequency-mass-energy phase orders.=20=20=20 To visualize further... When such a spinning zero-point line is radiated=20 outward centrifugally to form a triune series of fields like a circle surro= unding=20 a figure 8, its initial spin motion in all axial counter directions causes = it=20 to weave a fractal series of descending spherical fields, like bubbles with= in=20 bubbles within bubbles, etc. -- Each like a continuous ball of double spun= =20 yarn, but with all its spiraling and spinning lines of force weaving in an = around=20 each other in opposite directions on its surface -- with their ends joining= =20 and forming inner and outer fields liked together at their dual poles (thei= r=20 entering and exiting points of energy flow) -- much like the magnetic field= s=20 which surrounds and enters and exits the poles of the Earth and must cross = over=20 each other at their center in a Mobius like path and join with the outer=20 ionized solar fields at the poles.=20 In addition, we can imagine that the twin positive and negative forces=20 represented by the opposing lines of force that make up the surfaces of the= =20 coenergetic fields, are the basis of the opposite and balanced forces of gr= avity --=20 that acts both attractively and repulsively on all hyperspace field levels = in=20 proportion to their relative degrees of energetics based on their frequency= =20 phase order, as well as in relation to the expansion of the universe and it= s=20 localized contractions into its ubiqitous black holes. To picture some of this, see diagrams at:=20 http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/BuddhaBabyGordianKnot.gif Also, imagine that the single lines or rays of opposing force that composes= =20 the surface of the initial field and all inner fields that involve from it,= =20 spiral around each other and form a ladder of adjacent vibrational patterns= =20 between each ray that encode the entire structure of the holographic univer= se --=20 analogous to the spiral ladder of the DNA molecules that incorporate the 4 = based=20 genetic code combinations that determine the protein structures of all=20 organic forms of life.=20=20=20 Going a bit deeper, we might be able to see that the lowest hyperspace fiel= d=20 adjacent to the magnetic field of the DNA may contain the holographic image= of=20 the body structure that acts as a magnetic attraction that determines where= =20 each different protein forms itself. Thus, the fingernails end up at the = ends=20 of the fingers and the nose cartilage in the middle of our face . . . etc.,= =20 etc., for every other specifically placed, yet differently structured or fo= lded=20 protein in the body. I hope this gives you both a better understanding of the ABC theory as it=20 relates to the origin of both consciousness and matter and their interdepen= dence=20 and correlation... And, I appreciate your continued interest in this topic = and=20 hope we can continue discussing it so as to arrive at a deeper understandin= gs=20 of fundamental multidimensional reality and its relationship to the study o= f=20 consciousness, mind and brain.=20=20=20 Best wishes, Leon=20 In a message dated 3/28/06 3:43:09 PM, apjmaop@ig.com.br writes: > --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, "stillpointed" wrote: >=20 > > Hi Leon and Alfredo, > > > > Perhaps another way of configuring the zero points would be to see the > >"Fundamental Source" as being vibrational in nature, visualized as an > > infinite sine curve form.=A0 This fundamental vibration would have one > > section of the curve in the "universe" and the other in the "alternate > > universe" or black hole, a kind of mobius giving rise to an infinitely > > bubbled cosmos. ~~~~~ > > > > The intersecting line through the curves would be the locus of > > (abstract) zero points, and as Alfredo suggests these zero points would > > not be reifiable; the functional energy would be in the vibration > > itself.=A0 Seems to correspond with the notion that "all is vibration." > > Might this make sense?=A0 Ed (sorry if this message duplicates) >=20 > Dear Leon and Ed, >=20 > I have made reasearch on molecular neurobiology, cognitive > neuroscience and ion-trap quantum computing, trying to relate these > areas. My knowledge of consciousness is limited to this kind of > approach. However, I agree with Leon and others who understand that > consciousness should be related to the Cosmos; it is probably not a > contingent phenomenon that occurs only to Earth animals. >=20 > Leon=B4s model seems to me as too rich. He makes a nice synthesis of > science with metaphysics. My feeling is that he interprets science > from a metaphysical perspective! I am not able to make a criticism, > since my knowledge of these matters is small. I am mostly learning > from him. >=20 > Ed=B4s remark is closer to my intuition, but I suspect that Leon does > not disagree with it. Leon says explicitly that he is not reifying or > substantializing the zero points. Therefore I don=B4t know exactly > where my feeling that Leon=B4s theory is a bit inflated originates from. >=20 > All of us who are participating in this discussion have something in > common: we are too philosophical for scientists, and too scientific > for philosophers! >=20 > Best Regards, >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From global-theosophy@stofanet.dk Sun Apr 02 04:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@stofanet.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64971 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 11:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 11:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx03.stofanet.dk) (212.10.10.13) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 11:20:45 -0000 Received: from 56347a74.rev.stofanet.dk ([86.52.122.116] helo=khidr6094418a5) by mx03.stofanet.dk (envelope-from ) with smtp id 1FQ0dL-0001ot-1O for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:20:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c65647$efd8fe00$747a3456@khidr6094418a5> To: References: <20060402011336.88567.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:23:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Originating-IP: 212.10.10.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "M. Sufilight" Subject: Re: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=206055933; y=cJxmJ_cK9py0sxrS889kW91OH6QcyPaIImISLcjimT82 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Thanks Cass! I will keep trying to improve my english. Maybe a few knowledgeful theosophists here at Theos-talk or elsewhere could expand on the present day global situation on theosophy vs. jesuitism? Anyone? To Anand and others: My previous email on this issue was not intending to attack you, but an attempt to help us all. I do hope you understand this. from M. Sufilight with some peace and love... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cass Silva" To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 3:13 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) Thanks for this posting Morten, it is very appropriate to the times ahead. Cass "M. Sufilight" wrote: Hallo Anand and all, My views are: It is certainly a beautiful picture Leadbeater paints of the Masters. But reading the following version about how a master performs activities aught be understood. THE MASTER KHIDR or AL-KHIDR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr ------- Sorry Anand if I sound to blunt. But the Truth about this quote you emailed should not be hidden. Leadbeater would have done much better if he had listened to Blavatsky's article and words in the below, and stopped adding way too much value to the importance of the false Bible and a false doctrine about the Masters and their activities. The article in the link in the above should tell any theosophical beginner seeker that. I do not like it, when "Jesuits" hides the truth from the Seekers after Truth. Please listen to what Blavatsky's says: "I have done; adding but one more word of advice to the Review. In the last quarter of the nineteenth century, when the latest international revision of the Bibleďż˝that infallible and revealed Word of God!ďż˝reveals 64,000 mistranslations and other mistakes, it is not the Theosophistsďż˝a large number of whose members are English patriots and men of learningďż˝but rather the Christians who ought to beware of "wanton aggressiveness" against people of other creeds. Their boomerangs may fly back from some unexpected parabola and hit the throwers." http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/NotAChristian.htm (1879) And what do we have today. How are certain so-called Christians performing their religion today. The "Christian" crusades are still in action. Now it is the politicians, which misuses the Bible and the Vatican keeps their mouth shut way too much, while the crusades are in fullblown action and are being propagandized; (especially from the US Congress). And the beginner Theosophists in the west, are being sponfeed with Leadbeaters - Liberal Catholic Church (LCC), which they only understand on a superficial or fanatical emotional level. I hold it to be true, that the beginner Seekers should not be treated like this. TS Adyar aught to immeadiately siver having any "special" ties with The liberal Catholic Church as long as it serves the purpose of the Jesusits, - either the political Jesusits (especially those in the US Congress) or those Jesuits with strong influence in the Vatican. To me Jesuits are those who are not honest but devious, they infiltrate other groups with a militant Christian agenda and often non-compassionate motives. They stop at nothing but to promote the Christian Bible in a fanatical manner, using voilence in a concealed manner and even black magic. They seek to create emotional cults (for instance like LCC?) rather than people, who think for themselves and become wise, and who knows about the many faults of the Christian Bible and its dogmas. And at the same time the very dangerous Jesuits existence er totally omitted being talked about - even if Blavatsky emphasized this so very much. Just look in the below. TS Adyar will certainly be hit (or are being hit) by the boomerang mentioned by Blavatsky in the above. Here we have Blavatsky's article THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM?, written june 1888. "Therefore, the present opportunity is taken to state, once for all, the views which Theosophists and Occultists entertain with regard to the Society of Jesus. At the same time, all those who are pursuing in life's great wilderness of vain evanescent pleasures and empty conventionalities an ideal worth living for, are offered the choice between the two now once more rising powers--the Alpha and the Omega at the two opposite ends of the realm of giddy, idle existence--THEOSOPHY and JESUITISM. For, in the field of religious and intellectual pursuits, these two are the only luminaries--a good and an evil star, truly--glimmering once more from behind the mists of the Past, and ascending on the horizon of mental activities. They are the only two powers capable in the present day of extricating one thirsty for intellectual life from the clammy slush of the stagnant pool known as Modern Society, so crystallized in its cant, so dreary and monotonous in its squirrel-like motion around the wheel of fashion. Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above, the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one to the spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man. The former is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable, gentle . . . full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy," while the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness. . . ." This is true also today. There is a difference though. From the The Society of Jesus has been created groups with other names than their own, so the more easily can hide their activities to anyone they want to hide them from. - I know the late Pope Paul John II threw a few good words. But, now his very near friend from the "Inquisition" is ruling as a Pope. It seems quite obvious, that the "Jesuits" have branches outside the Catholic groups, and that they are heavily involved with politics and militant activity, even if they say differently. that today, because some of their scriptures are today officially available.) Sorry if I am boring you. But, this email are touching upon important issues of today - and not of the past, Issues aught to be dealt with by TS Adyar in a totally different manner. And this certainly ALSO true to the many of the other groups who call themselves theosophical and pride themeselves of having a wise present day activity going with their publications on what is going on today with the very dangerous Jesuits. Contionous promotions of Leadbeaters half-theosophical doctrines will not help many. But some of what he wrote are allright, and aught to be valued. I am so sorry Anand, but I did not agree with the quote by Leadbeater. Not this time. from M. Sufilight with peace and love... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand Gholap" To: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) > > [ http://www.AnandGholap.net - Online Books on Theosophy ] > > " THERE has been among Theosophical students a great deal of vagueness and > uncertainty about the Masters, so perhaps it may help us to realize how > natural Their lives are, and how there is an ordinary physical side to > them, if I say a few words about the daily life and appearance of some of > Them. There is no one physical characteristic by which an Adept can be > infallibly distinguished from other men, but He always appears impressive, > noble, dignified, holy and serene, and anyone meeting Him could hardly > fail to recognize that he was in the presence of a remarkable man. He is > the strong but silent man, speaking only when He has a definite object in > view, to encourage, to help or to warn, yet He is wonderfully benevolent > and full of a keen sense of humour-- humour always of a kindly order, used > never to wound, but always to lighten the troubles of life. The Master > Morya once said that it is impossible to make progress on the occult Path > without a sense of humour, and certainly all the Adepts whom I have seen > have possessed that qualification. > > 48. Most of Them are distinctly fine-looking men; Their physical bodies > are practically perfect, for They live in complete obedience to the laws > of health, and above all They never worry about anything. All Their evil > karma has long been exhausted, and thus the physical body is as perfect an > expression of the Augoeides or glorified body of the ego as the > limitations of the physical plane will allow, so that not only is the > present body of an Adept usually splendidly handsome, but also new body > that He may take in a subsequent incarnation is likely to be an almost > exact reproduction of the old one, allowing for racial and family > differences, because there is nothing to modify it. This freedom from > karma gives Them, when for any reason They choose to take new bodies, > entire liberty to select a birth in any country or race that may be > convenient for the work that They have to do, and thus the nationality of > the particular bodies which They happen to be wearing at any given time is > not of primary importance. " > > Complete book can be read at > http://anandgholap.net/Masters_And_Path-CWL.htm > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups Links From sven2004@telia.com Sun Apr 02 11:01:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Sven2004@telia.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84483 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 18:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 18:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) (81.228.11.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 18:00:30 -0000 Received: from SVEINN.telia.com (62.20.197.232) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.070) id 43F9B8E9009F1F6B for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:00:28 +0200 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.1.20060402192337.01211190@telia.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:31:39 +0200 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 81.228.11.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: S F Subject: Re: Monads and Spirit-Men X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=183548685; y=uLrQuoTqwaNNP6khs0HfRI2w8Eg-0wReyi6nBq3-oYDB X-Yahoo-Profile: ari343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Dallas I did not have any text or book in mind when I wrote my letter. I had in mind what I have learned by leaving my physical body by internal commands. The higher worlds are best known and explored by that method. Leaving the dense body by departing through the breath channels with full consciousness and not by falling asleep. Thus can we enter the higher worlds. I wrote: >>> When the Spirit-Man has freed himself from the Monad then the Monad form disintegrates and an Adept has been reborn. <<< You wrote: [What happens to the Monads in their evolution if so abandoned ? Is this the spiritual selfishness of those who choose "Liberation ?" See footnotes in The VOICE OF THE SILENCE pp. 76 - 79 ] SF The Monads are not abandoned, they have fulfilled their work and seek their Monad essence and enter upstream with the Torrent of Fire. It is a misunderstanding to say that Spirit-men can be spiritually selfish. Sveinn Freyr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 06:22:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Theos-World Monads and Spirit-Men Dear Sveinn: Thanks for your comments. To help me locate what HPB teaches with precision could you let me know where she actually says the passages I have marked ? (see marks made inside your message to me.) Best wishes, Dallas =========================== -----Original Message----- From: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:06 AM To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Theos-World Monads and Spirit-Men Dear Dallas - To begin with I thank you for your many good letters. But as it is, there are ideas in your text that puzzle me. Let us look at our past this way: -SF>>> There is a World above the World of Monads, we can call that plane the World of Pure Spirit. <<< -DTB [Does this refer to passages in the SECRET DOCTRINE, I 213 to 222 ?] ----------------- See this --------------- 7 CLASSES IN SUBJECTIVE SPHERES "(Question: And for how long? Does this state of spiritual beatitude endure for years? for decades? for centuries? ) Answer: "For years, decades, centuries and millenniums, of ten times multiplied by something more. It all depends upon the duration of Karma...Every effect must be proportionate to the cause. And, as man's terms of incarnate existence bear but a small proportion to his periods of inter-natal existence in the manvantaric cycle, so the good thoughts, words, and deeds of any one of these "lives" on a globe are causative of effects, the working out of which requires far more time than the evolution of the causes occupied... "Between the Kama-Loka and the Rupa-Loka there is a locality, the dwelling of 'Mara' (Death)...(lokas are not heavens but localities or abodes)...Devas into two classes--and called them the "Rupa-devas" and the "Arupa-devas" (the "form"--or objective, and the "formless" or subjective Dhyan Chohans;...the same for his class of "men,"...All these are: 1. "Rupa-devas" -- Dhyan Chohans, having forms; 2. "Arupa-Devas" " " having no forms; Ex-men. 3. "Pisachas" -- (two principled) ghosts. (see p. 110 described) 4. "Mara-rupas" -- Doomed to death (3 principled). 5. Asuras--Elementals--having human form 6. Beasts-- " 2nd class--animal Elemental Future men. 7. Rakshasas (Demons) Souls or Astral Forms of sorcerers; men who have reached the apex of knowledge in the forbidden art. Dead or alive they have, so to say cheated nature; but it is only temporary--until our planet goes into obscuration, after which they have nolens volens to be annihilated. It is these seven groups that form the principal divisions of the Dwellers of the subjective world around us." M L p. 107 ===================================== -SF>>> From that world powerful Spirit-Men descend in large groups to The Monad Universe. <<< -DTB [Does this refer to passages in the SECRET DOCTRINE, I 570 -575 ?] ======================== -SF>>> In the Monad Universe they are grouped according to relations in isolated groups and put into dormancy. In the condition of dormancy they are each and all given a protecting body of Monad-matter. <<< -DTB [Does this refer to SECRET DOCTRINE, I 632 ? ] =============================== -SF>>> We can see this action of Monad clothing in the descending groups of Spirit-Men. There we see that there is a wondrous Power that is clothing each Spirit-Man. And we can also see that the Spirit-Men differ in power, and experience. <<< -DTB [Does this refer to SECRET DOCTRINE II p. 596 table ?] ================================ -SF>>> When this process of Monad clothing is done then the groups can be transferred to the Monad-Wheel. <<< -DTB [Where is the Monad Wheel referred to ? ] ================================= -SF>>> In the Monad-Wheel the Spirit-Man begins a new cycle of struggle and strive but the main effort is left to the guiding Monad. We can symbolically say that the Spirit-Man has entered a period of reincarnation from the Plane of Pure Spirit to the Monad-Wheel. <<< -DTB [Where is this process and the Monad Wheel referred to ? ] ======================================= -SF>>> There are energy zones in the Monad-Wheel that will give us much to think about when the group mind knows more. The zone I have in mind is the trouble zone often called "The Stream." In that zone the awakening Spirit-Man is seeking to open up the upper part of the Monad. <<< -DTB [Do you mean the difference between Kama-Manas and Buddhi-Manas ?] ==================================== -SF>>> When the Spirit-Man has freed himself from the Monad then the Monad form disintegrates and an Adept has been reborn. <<< -DTB [What happens to the Monads in their evolution if so abandoned ? Is this the spiritual selfishness of those who choose "Liberation ?" See footnotes in The VOICE OF THE SILENCE pp. 76 - 79 ] BEST WISHES, DALLAS 3/22/2006 6:19 AM -------------------------------------------- Sveinn Freyr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ibse03888@blueyonder.co.uk Sun Apr 02 11:51:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ibse03888@blueyonder.co.uk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30256 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk) (195.188.213.60) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0000 Received: from [82.41.85.128] (helo=your904q9zk0ar) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQ7cq-0005EI-Gg for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:48:36 +0100 Message-ID: <002401c65686$0c6e00e0$80552952@your904q9zk0ar> To: References: <336.133fe2e.31601025@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 195.188.213.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Iain" Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Peace, Calm & Occultism X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182405197 Dear Chuck, One must be careful,not to make a DHARMA out of a CRISIS!!!! cheers Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Peace, Calm & Occultism > > In a message dated 4/1/2006 10:39:31 AM Central Standard Time, > carlosaveline@hotmail.com writes: > > On the other hand, altruism, right effort and patience will lead you to > understand the LAW or DHARMA. > > > > We do not think the earth is flat any more. We do not think that thunder > is > the manifestation of an angry god. And we know that altruism is nothing > more than the manifestion of mental illness, in some ways profound mental > illness. > > The old teachings make good kindling, though there is some nice poetry in > there. > > Chuck the Heretic > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Sun Apr 02 11:54:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14069 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 18:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 18:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 18:54:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 18:53:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 18:53:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:53:04 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c65647$efd8fe00$747a3456@khidr6094418a5> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 83.85.190.155 From: "christinaleestemaker" Subject: Re: Masters' Appearance, and advice (AnandGholap.Net-Online Theosophy) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756; y=-79VfhzVHDGDhJ697Z-b2glEsykYZaUvVx2ZkJ8btiXGt-SN9XZUGQlT6oR1Kbc X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker -Important thing is not only appearance but mostly the advice from a=20 master. 282. = =20 THE MASTER OF CHILDREN=20 283. = =20 The Lord Maitreya has frequently been called the Teacher=20 of Gods and Men, and that fact is sometimes expressed in a different=20 way by saying that in the great kingdom of the spiritual work He is=20 the Minister for Religion and Education. It is not only that at=20 certain intervals, when He sees it to be desirable, He either=20 incarnates Himself, or sends a pupil, to state the eternal truth in=20 some new way-- as we may put it, to found a new religion. Quite=20 apart from that, He is constantly in charge of all religions, and=20 whatever new and beautiful teaching is sent out through any of them,=20 new or old, it is always inspired by Him. We know little of the=20 methods of world-wide instruction which He adopts; there are many=20 ways of teaching apart from the spoken word; and it is certain that=20 it is His constant and daily endeavour to raise the intellectual=20 conceptions of millions of Angels and of men.=20 284. = =20 His right-hand man in all this marvellous work is His=20 assistant and destined successor, the Master Kuthumi, just as the=20 assistant and destined successor of the Lord Vaivasvata Manu is the=20 Master Morya. Just because, then, the Master Kuthumi is the ideal=20 Teacher, it is to Him that we have to bring those who are to be put=20 on probation or accepted at an early age. It may be that later on in=20 life they will be used by other Masters for other portions of the=20 work; but at any rate they all (or almost all) begin under the=20 tutelage of the Master Kuthumi. It has been part of my task for many=20 years to endeavour to train along the right lines any young person=20 whom the Master regards as hopeful; He brings them in contact with=20 me on the physical plane and usually gives brief directions as to=20 what qualities He wants developing in them, and what instruction=20 should be given to them. Naturally He, in His infinite wisdom, does=20 not deal with these younger brains and bodies exactly as with those=20 of older people ADVICE FROM THE MASTER=20 303. = =20 "I know that your one object in life is to serve the=20 Brotherhood; yet do not forget that there are higher steps before=20 you, and that progress on the Path means sleepless vigilance. You=20 must not only be always ready to serve; you must be ever watching=20 for opportunities-- nay, making opportunities to be helpful in small=20 things, in order that when the greater work comes you may not fail=20 to see it.=20 304. = =20 "Never for a moment forget your occult relationship; it=20 should be an ever-present inspiration to you-- not only a shield=20 from the fatuous thoughts which float around us, but a constant=20 stimulus to spiritual activity. The vacuity and pettiness of=20 ordinary life should be impossible for us, though not beyond our=20 comprehension and compassion. The ineffable bliss of Adeptship is=20 not yet yours, but remember that you are already one with Those who=20 live that higher life; you are dispensers of Their sunlight in this=20 lower world, so you, too, at your level, must be radiant suns of=20 love and joy. The world may be unappreciative, uncomprehending; but=20 your duty is to shine.=20 305. = =20 "Do not rest on your oars. There are still higher peaks=20 to conquer. The need of intellectual development must not be=20 forgotten; and we must unfold within ourselves sympathy, affection,=20 tolerance. Each must realize that there are other points of view=20 than his own, and that they may be just as worthy of attention. All=20 coarseness or roughness of speech, all tendency to=20 argumentativeness, must absolutely disappear; one who is prone to it=20 should check himself when the impulse towards it arises; he should=20 say little, and that always with delicacy and courtesy. Never speak=20 without first thinking whether what you are going to say is both=20 kind and sensible. He who tries to develop love within himself will=20 be saved from many mistakes. Love is the supreme virtue of all,=20 without which all other qualifications water but the sand.=20 306. = =20 "Thoughts and feelings of an undesirable kind must be=20 rigorously excluded; you must work at them until they are impossible=20 to you. Touches of irritability ruffle the calm sea of the=20 consciousness of the Brotherhood. Pride must be eliminated, for it=20 is a serious bar to progress. Exquisite delicacy of thought and=20 speech is needed-- the rare aroma of perfect tact which can never=20 jar or offend. That is hard to win, yet you may reach it if you=20 will.=20 307. = =20 "Definite service, and not mere amusement, should be=20 your aim; think, not what you want to do, but what you can do that=20 will help someone else; forget about yourself, and consider others.=20 A pupil must be consistently kind, obliging, helpful-- not now and=20 then, but all the time. Remember, all time which is not spent in=20 service (or fitting yourself for service) is for us lost time.=20 308. = =20 "When you see certain evils in yourself, take them in=20 hand manfully and effectively. Persevere, and you will succeed. It=20 is a question of will-power. Watch for opportunities and hints; be=20 efficient. I am always ready to help you, but I cannot do the work=20 for you; the effort must come from your side. Try to deepen yourself=20 all round and to live a life of utter devotion to service."=20 309. = =20 _______=20 310. = =20 "You have done well, but I want you to do better yet. I=20 have tested you by giving you opportunities to help, and so far you=20 have taken them nobly. I shall therefore give you more and greater=20 opportunities, and your progress will depend upon your recognizing=20 them and availing yourself of them. Remember that the reward of=20 successful work is always the opening out before you of more work,=20 and that faithfulness in what seem to you small things leads to=20 employment in matters of greater importance. I hope that you will=20 soon draw closer to me, and in so doing will help your brothers=20 along the Path which leads to the feet of the King. Be thankful that=20 you have a great power of love, that you know how to flood your=20 world with sunlight, to pour yourself out with royal prodigality, to=20 scatter largess like a king; that indeed is well, but take care lest=20 in the heart of this great flower of love there should be a tiny=20 touch of pride, which might spread as does an almost invisible spot=20 of decay, until it has tainted and corrupted the whole blossom.=20 Remember what Our great Brother has written: ` Be humble if thou=20 wouldst attain to wisdom; be humbler still when wisdom thou hast=20 mastered.' Cultivate the modest fragrant plant humility, until its=20 sweet aroma permeates every fibre of your being.=20 311. = =20 "When you try for unity, it is not enough to draw the=20 others into yourself, to enfold them with your aura, to make them=20 one with you. To do that is already a long step, but you must go yet=20 further, and make yourself one with each of them ; you must enter=20 into the very hearts of your brothers, and understand them; never=20 from curiosity, for a brother' s heart is both a secret and sacred=20 place; one must not seek to pry into it or discuss it, but rather=20 endeavour reverently to comprehend, to sympathize, to help. It is=20 easy to criticize others from one' s own point of view; it is more=20 difficult to get to know them and love them; but that is the only=20 way to bring them along with you. I want you to grow quickly that I=20 may use in the Great Work; to help you in that I give you my=20 blessing."=20 312. = =20 __________=20 313. = =20 "Daughter, you have done well in exercising your=20 influence to civilize as far as may be the rougher elements around=20 you, and to help another pure soul upon her way to me. That will be=20 ever a bright star in your crown of glory; continue your help to=20 her, and see whether there be not other stars which you can=20 presently add to that crown. This good work of yours has enabled me=20 to draw you closer to me far earlier than would otherwise have been=20 the case. There is no more certain method of rapid progress than to=20 devote oneself to helping others upon the upward Path. You have been=20 fortunate, too, in meeting a comrade from of old, for two who can=20 really work together are more efficient than if they were putting=20 forth the same amount of strength separately. You have begun well ;=20 continue to move along the same line with swiftness and certainty."=20 314. = =20 ________=20 315. = =20 "I welcome you, the latest recruit to our glorious band.=20 It is not easy for you to forget yourself entirely, to yield=20 yourself without reservation to the service of the world; yet that=20 is what is required of us-- that we should live only to be a=20 blessing to others, and to do the work which is given us to do. You=20 have made a good beginning in the process of self-development, but=20 much yet remains to be done. Repress even the slightest shade of=20 irritability, and be ready always to receive advice and instruction;=20 cultivate humility and self-sacrifice, and fill yourself with a=20 fervid enthusiasm for service. So shall you be a fitting instrument=20 in the hand of the Great Master, a soldier in the army of Those who=20 save the world. To help you in that I now take you as a probationary=20 pupil."=20 316. = =20 _________=20 317. = =20 "I am pleased with you, but I want you to do more yet.=20 For you, my child, you have the capacity of making rapid progress,=20 and I want you to set this before yourself as an object which you=20 are determined at all costs to achieve. Some of the obstacles which=20 you are instructed to overcome may seem to you unimportant, but in=20 reality they are not so, because they are the surface indications of=20 an interior condition which must be altered if you wish to be of use=20 to Our Lord when He comes. That means a radical change which it will=20 not be easy for you to make, but the effort is well worth your=20 while. The rules which I wish you to make for yourself are these:=20 318. = =20 "(1) Forget yourself and the desires of your=20 personality, and remember only the service of others, devoting your=20 strength, your thought, your enthusiasm wholly to that.=20 319. = =20 "(2) Do not offer an opinion on any matter unless=20 directly asked for it.=20 320. = =20 "(3) Before speaking, always consider how what you say=20 will affect others.=20 321. = =20 "(4) Never betray, or comment upon a brother's weakness.=20 322. = =20 "(5) Remember that you have yet much to learn, and=20 therefore may often be in error; so speak with becoming modesty.=20 323. = =20 "(6) When called, move at once, not waiting to finish=20 what you happen to be reading or doing; if you are performing a duty=20 of importance, explain very gently what it is.=20 324. = =20 "I wish to draw you closer to me, and if you will keep=20 these rules I shall soon be able to do so. Meantime, my blessing=20 rests upon you."=20 325. = =20 BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN=20 326. = =20 Many who read these instructions may be surprised by=20 their extreme simplicity. They may even despise them as being little=20 suited to guide and help people in the immense complexity of our=20 modern civilization. But he who thinks thus forgets that it is of=20 the essence of the life of the pupil that he shall lay aside all=20 this complexity, that he shall, as the Master put it, "come out of=20 your world into ours," come into a world of thought in which life is=20 simple and one-pointed, in which right and wrong are once more=20 clearly defined, in which the issues before us are straight and=20 intelligible. It is the simple life that the disciple should be=20 living; it is the very simplicity which he attains which makes the=20 higher progress possible to him. We have made our life an=20 entanglement and an uncertainty, a mass of confusion, a storm cross- currents, in which the weak fail and sink; but the pupil of the=20 Master must be strong and sane, he must take his life in his own=20 hands, and make it simple with a divine simplicity. His mind must=20 brush aside all these man-made confusions and delusions and go=20 straight as an arrow to its mark. "Except ye be converted, and=20 become as little children, ye shall in nowise enter into the kingdom=20 of heaven." And the kingdom heaven, remember, is the Great White=20 Brotherhood of the Adepts.1=20 327. = =20 =B9See The Hidden Side of Christian Festivals , pp. 12,=20 446.=20 328. = =20 We see from these extracts how high is the ideal which=20 the Master sets before His pupils, and perhaps it may seem to some=20 of them to be what in theology we call a counsel of perfection--=20 that is to say, a goal or condition impossible to reach perfectly as=20 yet, but still one at which we must constantly aim. But all=20 aspirants are aiming high, and no one yet can fully reach that at=20 which he aims; otherwise he would not need to be in physical=20 incarnation at all. We are very far from being perfect, but the=20 young people who can be brought close to the Great Ones have a most=20 wonderful opportunity, just because of their youth and plasticity.=20 It is so much easier for them to eliminate those things which are=20 not quite what they should be than it is for older people. If they=20 can cultivate the habit of taking the right point of view, of acting=20 for the right reasons, and of being in the right attitude, the whole=20 of their lives, they will steadily draw nearer and nearer to the=20 ideal of the Masters. If the pupil who has been put on probation=20 could see while awake in his physical body the living images that=20 the Master makes, he would understand much more fully the importance=20 of what may seem to be but minor details -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" wrote: > > Thanks Cass! > I will keep trying to improve my english. >=20 > Maybe a few knowledgeful theosophists here at Theos-talk or=20 elsewhere > could expand on the present day global situation on theosophy vs.=20 jesuitism? > Anyone? >=20 > To Anand and others: > My previous email on this issue was not intending to attack you,=20 but an=20 > attempt > to help us all. I do hope you understand this. >=20 >=20 > from > M. Sufilight with some peace and love... >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Cass Silva" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 3:13 AM > Subject: Re: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net- Online=20 > Theosophy) >=20 >=20 > Thanks for this posting Morten, it is very appropriate to the=20 times ahead. > Cass >=20 > "M. Sufilight" wrote: Hallo Anand and all, >=20 > My views are: >=20 > It is certainly a beautiful picture Leadbeater paints of the=20 Masters. > But reading the following version about how a master performs=20 activities > aught be understood. >=20 > THE MASTER KHIDR or AL-KHIDR > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr >=20 > ------- > Sorry Anand if I sound to blunt. But the Truth about this quote=20 you emailed > should not be hidden. > Leadbeater would have done much better if he had listened to=20 Blavatsky's > article and words in the below, and stopped adding way too much=20 value to the > importance of the false Bible and a false doctrine about the=20 Masters and > their activities. The article in the link in the above should tell=20 any > theosophical beginner seeker that. >=20 >=20 > I do not like it, when "Jesuits" hides the truth from the Seekers=20 after > Truth. > Please listen to what Blavatsky's says: > "I have done; adding but one more word of advice to the Review. In=20 the last > quarter of the nineteenth century, when the latest international=20 revision of > the Bible=EF=BF=BDthat infallible and revealed Word of God!=EF=BF=BDrevea= ls=20 64,000 > mistranslations and other mistakes, it is not the Theosophists=EF=BF=BDa= =20 large > number of whose members are English patriots and men of=20 learning=EF=BF=BDbut=20 > rather > the Christians who ought to beware of "wanton aggressiveness"=20 against people > of other creeds. Their boomerangs may fly back from some=20 unexpected parabola > and hit the throwers." > http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/NotAChristian.htm (1879) >=20 > And what do we have today. How are certain so-called Christians=20 performing > their religion today. > The "Christian" crusades are still in action. Now it is the=20 politicians, > which misuses the Bible and the Vatican keeps their mouth shut way=20 too much, > while the crusades are in fullblown action and are being=20 propagandized; > (especially from the US Congress). And the beginner Theosophists=20 in the > west, are being sponfeed with Leadbeaters - Liberal Catholic=20 Church (LCC), > which they only understand on a superficial or fanatical emotional=20 level. I > hold it to be true, that the beginner Seekers should not be=20 treated like > this. > TS Adyar aught to immeadiately siver having any "special" ties=20 with The > liberal Catholic Church as long as it serves the purpose of the=20 Jesusits, - > either the political Jesusits (especially those in the US=20 Congress) or those > Jesuits with strong influence in the Vatican. To me Jesuits are=20 those who > are not honest but devious, they infiltrate other groups with a=20 militant > Christian agenda and often non-compassionate motives. They stop at=20 nothing > but to promote the Christian Bible in a fanatical manner, using=20 voilence in > a concealed manner and even black magic. They seek to create=20 emotional cults > (for instance like LCC?) rather than people, who think for=20 themselves and > become wise, and who knows about the many faults of the Christian=20 Bible and > its dogmas. And at the same time the very dangerous Jesuits=20 existence er > totally omitted being talked about - even if Blavatsky emphasized=20 this so > very much. Just look in the below. TS Adyar will certainly be hit=20 (or are > being hit) by the boomerang mentioned by Blavatsky in the above. >=20 >=20 > Here we have Blavatsky's article THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM?, written=20 june 1888. >=20 > "Therefore, the present opportunity is taken to state, once for=20 all, the > views which Theosophists and Occultists entertain with regard to=20 the Society > of Jesus. At the same time, all those who are pursuing in life's=20 great > wilderness of vain evanescent pleasures and empty=20 conventionalities an ideal > worth living for, are offered the choice between the two now once=20 more > rising powers--the Alpha and the Omega at the two opposite ends of=20 the realm > of giddy, idle existence--THEOSOPHY and JESUITISM. > For, in the field of religious and intellectual pursuits, these=20 two are the > only luminaries--a good and an evil star, truly--glimmering once=20 more from > behind the mists of the Past, and ascending on the horizon of=20 mental > activities. They are the only two powers capable in the present=20 day of > extricating one thirsty for intellectual life from the clammy=20 slush of the > stagnant pool known as Modern Society, so crystallized in its=20 cant, so > dreary and monotonous in its squirrel-like motion around the wheel=20 of > fashion. Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one=20 far above, > the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power-- one to the > spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man.=20 The former > is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable,=20 gentle . . . full > of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without=20 hypocrisy," while > the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is=20 earthly, > sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of=20 Darkness. > . . ." >=20 >=20 > This is true also today. There is a difference though. From the=20 The Society > of Jesus has been created groups with other names than their own,=20 so the > more easily can hide their activities to anyone they want to hide=20 them > from. - I know the late Pope Paul John II threw a few good words.=20 But, now > his very near friend from the "Inquisition" is ruling as a Pope. > It seems quite obvious, that the "Jesuits" have branches outside=20 the > Catholic groups, and that they are heavily involved with politics=20 and > militant activity, even if they say differently. > that today, because some of their > scriptures are today officially available.) >=20 >=20 > Sorry if I am boring you. > But, this email are touching upon important issues of today - and=20 not of the > past, > Issues aught to be dealt with by TS Adyar in a totally different=20 manner. And > this certainly ALSO true to the many of the other groups who call=20 themselves > theosophical and pride themeselves of having a wise present day=20 activity > going with their publications on what is going on today with the=20 very > dangerous Jesuits. > Contionous promotions of Leadbeaters half-theosophical doctrines=20 will not > help many. But some of what he wrote are allright, and aught to be=20 valued. > I am so sorry Anand, but I did not agree with the quote by=20 Leadbeater. Not > this time. >=20 >=20 >=20 > from > M. Sufilight with peace and love... >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Anand Gholap" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:37 PM > Subject: Theos-World Masters' Appearance (AnandGholap.Net-Online=20 Theosophy) >=20 >=20 > > > > [ http://www.AnandGholap.net - Online Books on Theosophy ] > > > > " THERE has been among Theosophical students a great deal of=20 vagueness and > > uncertainty about the Masters, so perhaps it may help us to=20 realize how > > natural Their lives are, and how there is an ordinary physical=20 side to > > them, if I say a few words about the daily life and appearance=20 of some of > > Them. There is no one physical characteristic by which an Adept=20 can be > > infallibly distinguished from other men, but He always appears=20 impressive, > > noble, dignified, holy and serene, and anyone meeting Him could=20 hardly > > fail to recognize that he was in the presence of a remarkable=20 man. He is > > the strong but silent man, speaking only when He has a definite=20 object in > > view, to encourage, to help or to warn, yet He is wonderfully=20 benevolent > > and full of a keen sense of humour-- humour always of a kindly=20 order, used > > never to wound, but always to lighten the troubles of life. The=20 Master > > Morya once said that it is impossible to make progress on the=20 occult Path > > without a sense of humour, and certainly all the Adepts whom I=20 have seen > > have possessed that qualification. > > > > 48. Most of Them are distinctly fine-looking men; Their physical=20 bodies > > are practically perfect, for They live in complete obedience to=20 the laws > > of health, and above all They never worry about anything. All=20 Their evil > > karma has long been exhausted, and thus the physical body is as=20 perfect an > > expression of the Augoeides or glorified body of the ego as the > > limitations of the physical plane will allow, so that not only=20 is the > > present body of an Adept usually splendidly handsome, but also=20 new body > > that He may take in a subsequent incarnation is likely to be an=20 almost > > exact reproduction of the old one, allowing for racial and family > > differences, because there is nothing to modify it. This freedom=20 from > > karma gives Them, when for any reason They choose to take new=20 bodies, > > entire liberty to select a birth in any country or race that may=20 be > > convenient for the work that They have to do, and thus the=20 nationality of > > the particular bodies which They happen to be wearing at any=20 given time is > > not of primary importance. " > > > > Complete book can be read at > > http://anandgholap.net/Masters_And_Path-CWL.htm > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and=20 30+=20 > countries) for 2=A2/min or less. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links > From vblaz2004@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 02 11:56:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: vblaz2004@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72233 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2006 18:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2006 18:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 18:56:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 18:56:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2006 18:56:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:56:05 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20060402192337.01211190@telia.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.219.166.8 From: "Vincent" Subject: Re: Monads and Spirit-Men X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252318024; y=Cl1WLqpimBBW9uZgJYcJe9xQtMyxJuqFX_saRfy24Uap5FcceZ_eBcyt06CukDTnaOc X-Yahoo-Profile: vblaz20042004 SF- You wrote: "I did not have any text or book in mind when I wrote my letter. I=20 had in mind what I have learned by leaving my physical body by=20 internal commands. The higher worlds are best known and explored by=20 that method. Leaving the dense body by departing through the breath=20 channels with full consciousness and not by falling asleep. Thus can=20 we enter the higher worlds." Are you referring to meditation or out-of-body experience? I've=20 done this many times. Vince --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, S F wrote: > >=20 > Dear Dallas >=20 > I did not have any text or book in mind when I wrote my letter. I=20 had > in mind what I have learned by leaving my physical body by internal > commands. The higher worlds are best known and explored by that > method. Leaving the dense body by departing through th