From dalval14@earthlink.net Sat Oct 01 05:01:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50750 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 12:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 12:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 12:00:57 -0000 Received: from [209.178.162.155] (helo=DALLAS) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ELg2r-000843-JQ; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:00:53 -0400 To: "AA-BNStudy" Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 04:59:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c5c67f$a8f8efc0$9ba2b2d1@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790404cbc59b937ee69d023186607167fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" Reply-To: Subject: RE: The Resurgence of Pseudo-Theosophy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573; y=7Fb5EFlBBJuTrjAHWQUK8u1JfBGbBrPSQoNF_had0Fl86g X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 10/1/2005 1:28 AM Dear Zakk: Some comment below, please Thanks Dal Dallas =============== -----Original Message----- From: Zakk Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:21 PM To: Subject: Re: The Resurgence of Pseudo-Theosophy You write [ZD]: I endeavor to answer [DTB] DTB >12 In logic we either express a statement of FACT or a FALSEHOOD - > ZD There are also hypothesis, theory, or opinion / speculation DTB a LIE, if an expression is deliberately made to conceal or distort TRUTH. ZD One truth can overlap another in which can conceal or distort another truth. A lie can be seen as the intentional changing / altering / of a truth already known or presenting a fabrication as a truth. ---------------------------------------- DTB Truths INTERLOCK and support one another. No confusion if absolutely TRUE. ---------------------------------------- DTB 13 The moral or ethical laws [veracity, honesty, tolerance, abstinence, charity, self-control, etc.] are absolute. They are the "keys" to esoteric WISDOM and the purification of the "lower nature" of man. ZD Tolerance and self control may often be under practiced, especially when communing with our brethren. DTB The work and presentation of a philosopher should always be thoroughly checked for exactitude and statement of facts. ZD When something is stated as a fact, one can say it should be checked as to it's validity. When something is stated as a speculation, one can say it should be checked as to it's validity. The point is only that not all things are stated as a fact, that it should be checked according to it's presentation. DTB If these are misstated or misquoted deliberately then a LIE is to be seen. ZD A deception at the least, yes. DTB The word "LIE" has a strong impact. Yes. But it lets the reader or listener know exactly what is thought of an expression or usage. ZD What is thought of an expression or usage is an opinion. What is known of an expression or usage, and it be intentionally false, is a lie. There are many ways in which to reveal a lie. Some are positive, some are negative, in their aspects. Note : My comments are stated as general statements and do not refer to any specific situation /s. DTB Everyone can err, but any error can be mitigated and recalled. It takes great strength of character and a resolute honesty to do this. Yes, it does. DTB THEOSOPHY does not invite "true believers." It invites free and determined questing MINDS - those who desire to know the TRUTH about things. Having secured confirmation of facts, it demands a fearless expression of them In an attitude and behavior in which is descriptive of brotherhood, yes. DTB The UNITED LODGE OF THEOSOPHISTS is not an organization but an ASSOCIATION of free individuals -- of volunteers - of students of THEOSOPHY . It has no By-Laws, Rules or Officers. They have assumed a single duty: The keeping in print of the original teachings of THEOSOPHY as recorded by H. P. Blavatsky, so that all students may go direct to those and read and study for themselves WITHOUT ANY INTERMEDIARIES. In terms of work, they usually also provide regular study-classes where these "original teachings" of THEOSOPHY are read and discussed. ZD The assuming of a single duty being the promotion and practice of brotherhood in all it's facets would seem the higher priority to some. The keeping in print of the original presentations from HPB is an admirable venture and one that I would personally promote. I would ask though, what benefit is words on paper without brotherhood and unity? Why place words on paper above brotherhood as a single duty? This I do not understand. That the original presentations can assist in promoting brotherhood I do understand. ----------------------------------------------- DTB ORIGINAL TEACHINGS are most important if new students desire to discover if THEOSOPHY is valid. Our work is to "pass along" (faithfully, diligently and accurately) the treasures received I trust. Not all may view THEOSOPHY as a "treasure !" Study is a voluntary effort carried on by enthusiasts who are "Seekers for Truth." Each one makes their own contact, and develops their own understanding of the propositions offered. There is no enforcement, no "supervision." BROTHERHOOD is for me, an every-day attitude. It is based on the concept of the immortality of the inner Monad. Individuals may share with each other their discoveries with a view to securing greater depth and reassurance of concurrent views or the reverse. ----------------------------------------------------- DTB In this one fact is safety for all students. The opinions of "intermediaries" or "interpreters" are excluded. ZD Any who read the material are interpreters. Excluding all interpreters exclude all human beings from being students. I am not sure as to the intent / meaning of the statements. I am certain it is not as I read them. DTB The "clash of opinions" is fruitless (and not to be respected)unless those "opinions" are demonstrable as actual FACTS. ZD The existence of Adepts can not be proven unless an Adept desires it to be so. Since Theosophists can not prove and demonstate such as actual FACT, does it mean it is not to be respected? Many other examples of that in which can not be demonstated as actual FACT can be presented. I would appreciate an expounding of what is meant by the above statement. --------------------------------------------------- DTB I see as methods of proof: (1) testimony [ found in numerous accounts of personal witnesses ] (2) coherence of information offered to be considered - in content, logic, support from other reliable sources. (3) lack of any enforcement, or any promises of securing personal preference or powers. dtb ========================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dalval14@earthlink.net Sat Oct 01 05:01:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40553 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2005 12:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2005 12:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2005 12:01:07 -0000 Received: from [209.178.162.155] (helo=DALLAS) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ELg2X-000843-NQ; Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:00:44 -0400 To: "AA-BNStudy" Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 04:59:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c5c67f$a1ba1400$9ba2b2d1@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7983a7c7458fd52aadad53cb9686d7a919350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" Reply-To: Subject: GRACE --- What is it ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573; y=LVc6xsXPf7yHXHWlyyv5MgR5p70_O9v-R9LpqYNwUN-kSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 GRACE =20 =20 A few words of introduction: =20 The dictionary shows them many facets of meaning exposed by the word =E2=80= =9C=E2=80=9DGrace.=E2=80=9D =20 It has however a deep philosophical and metaphysical significance =E2=80=93= starting with the first =E2=80=9CSpiritual=E2=80=9D radiance that precedes= manifestation.=20 =20 It is therefore present in all manifested beings =E2=80=93 the monads know = it well, as it is of their essence.=20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 DICTIONARY ( a spectrum of meanings )=20 =20 Favor, kindness, mercy, a person who is favored,=20 =20 fate, destiny, virtue, elegance, charm,=20 =20 beauty of line or movement, =20 Theological: Divine mercy or forgiveness,=20=20 exemption (temporary) for a penalty,=20 =E2=80=9CState of Grace:=E2=80=9D result of a virtuous life, =20 Sister goddesses (Greek): Brilliance, Joy, Bloom. =20 In music: embellishing, but not essential notes,=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------- =20 =20 =20 Divine Grace S D II 498 =20 =20 AN ANCIENT HINDU ALLEGORY EXPLAINED =20 =20 =E2=80=9CIn the Mythology of the earliest Vedic Aryans as in the later Pur= =C3=A2nic narratives, mention is made of Budha, the "Wise"; one "learned in= the Secret Wisdom," and who is the planet Mercury in his euhemerization. = =E2=80=A6 =20 The presiding genius, or "regent" of the planet Jupiter is Brihaspati=E2=80= =A6=20 =20 He is the instructor or spiritual guru of the gods, who are the representat= ives of the procreative powers.=20 =20 In the Rig Veda, he is called Brahmanaspati, a name meaning "the deity in w= hom the action of the worshipped upon the gods is personified."=20 =20 DIVINE GRACE =20 Hence Brahmanaspati represents the materialization of the divine grace, so = to say, by means of ritual and ceremonies, or the exoteric worship.=20 =20 "TARA" * =E2=80=94 his wife =E2=80=94 is on the other hand the personificat= ion of the powers of one initiated into Gupta Vidya (secret knowledge), as = will be shown.=20 =20 SOMA is the moon astronomically; but in mystical phraseology, it is also th= e name of the sacred beverage drunk by the Brahmins and the Initiates durin= g their mysteries and sacrificial rites. =E2=80=A6 =20 Thus Brihaspati =E2=80=94 "guru of the gods" though he was =E2=80=94 still = represented the dead-letter form of worship.=20 =20 It is Tara his wife =E2=80=94 the symbol of one who, though wedded to dogma= tic worship, longs for true wisdom =E2=80=94 who is shown as initiated into= his mysteries by King Soma, the giver of that Wisdom.=20 =20 Soma is thus made in the allegory to carry her away.=20 =20 The result of this is the birth of Budha =E2=80=94 esoteric Wisdom =E2=80= =94 (Mercury, or Hermes in Greece and Egypt). He is represented as "so beau= tiful," that even the husband, though well aware that Budha is not the prog= eny of his dead-letter worship =E2=80=94 claims the "new-born" as his Son, = the fruit of his ritualistic and meaningless forms. =E2=80=A1=20 Such is, in brief, one of the meanings of the allegory.=20 S D II 498 =20 --------------------------------------------- =20 =20 ISIS I 228 =20 =E2=80=9CThe Supreme Lord of splendor and of light, luminous and refulgent,= before which no other existed, is called Corona (the crown); Lord Ferho, t= he unrevealed life which existed in the former from eternity; and Lord Jord= an =E2=80=94 the spirit, the living water of grace.* He is the one through= whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Shekinah, the spiri= tual garment of En-Soph, or the Holy Ghost.=20=20 =20 These three constitute the trinity in abscondito. The second trinity is co= mposed of the three lives. The first is the similitude of Lord Ferho, thro= ugh whom he has proceeded forth; and the second Ferho is the King of Light = =E2=80=94 MANO (Rex Lucis). He is the heavenly life and light, and older t= han the Architect of heaven and earth.=E2=80=A0 The second life is Ish Amo= n (Pleroma), the vase of election, containing the visible thought of the Io= rdanus Maximus =E2=80=94 the type (or its intelligible reflection), the pro= totype of the living water, who is the =E2=80=9Cspiritual Jordan.=E2=80=9D= =E2=80=A1 Third life, which is produced by the other two, is ABATUR (Ab, th= e Parent or Father).=20=20 =20 This is the mysterious and decrepit =E2=80=9CAged of the Aged,=E2=80=9D the= =E2=80=9CAncient Senem sui obtegentem et grand=C3=A6vum mundi.=E2=80=9D T= his latter third Life is the Father of the Demiurge Fetahil, the Creator of= the world, whom the Ophites call Ilda-Baoth,=C2=A7 though Fetahil is the o= nly-begotten one, the reflection of the Father, Abatur, who begets him by l= ooking into the =E2=80=9Cdark water=E2=80=9D;|| but the Lord Mano, =E2=80= =9Cthe Lord of loftiness, the Lord of all genii,=E2=80=9D is higher than th= e Father, in this kabalistic Codex =E2=80=94 one is purely spiritual, the o= ther material. So, for instance, while Abatur=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Conly bego= tten=E2=80=9D one is the genius Fetahil, the Creator of the physical world,= Lord Mano, the =E2=80=9CLord of Celsitude,=E2=80=9D who is the son of Him,= who is =E2=80=9Cthe Father of all who preach the Gospel,=E2=80=9D produces= also an =E2=80=9Conly-begotten=E2=80=9D one, the Lord Lehdaio, =E2=80=9Ca = just Lord.=E2=80=9D He is the Christos, the anointed, who pours out the = =E2=80=9Cgrace=E2=80=9D of the Invisible Jordan, the Spirit of the Highest = Crown.=E2=80=9D ( Also: T Glos. p. 204 [MANO]) =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CIn its general sense, Isvara means =E2=80=9CLord =E2=80=98; but th= e Isvara of the mystic philosophers of India was understood precisely as th= e union and communion of men with the Deity of the Greek mystics.=20=20 =20 Isvara-Parasada means, literally, in Sanscrit, grace.=20=20 =20 Both of the =E2=80=9CMimansas,=E2=80=9D treating of the most abstruse quest= ions, explain Karma as merit, or the efficacy of works; Isvara-Parasada, as= grace; and Sradha, as faith. =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D I U II 592 =20 =20 =20 >From KARMIC VISIONS: =20 =E2=80=9CHe is suddenly transported into what looks a fairylike Hall, lit w= ith most glowing lights and built of materials, the like of which he had ne= ver seen before. He perceives the heirs and descendants of all the monarchs= of the globe gathered in that Hall in one happy family. They wear no longe= r the insignia of royalty, but, as he seems to know, those who are the reig= ning Princes, reign by virtue of their personal merits. It is the greatness= of heart, the nobility of character, their superior qualities of observati= on, wisdom, love of Truth and Justice, that have raised them to the dignity= of heirs to the Thrones, of Kings and Queens. The crowns, by authority and= the grace of God, have been thrown off, and they now rule by =E2=80=9Cthe = grace of divine humanity,=E2=80=9D chosen unanimously by recognition of the= ir fitness to rule, and the reverential love of their voluntary subjects. =20 All around seems strangely changed. Ambition, grasping greediness or envy= =E2=80=94miscalled Patriotism=E2=80=94exist no longer. Cruel selfishness ha= s made room for just altruism, and cold indifference to the wants of the mi= llions no longer finds favour in the sight of the favoured few. =E2=80=9C HPB Art I 394-5 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CMarcion, who recognized no other Gospels than a few Epistles of Pa= ul, who rejected totally the anthropomorphism of the Old Testament, and dre= w a distinct line of demarcation between the old Judaism and Christianity, = viewed Jesus neither as a King, Messiah of the Jews, nor the son of David, = who was in any way connected with the law or prophets, =E2=80=9Cbut a divin= e being sent to reveal to man a spiritual religion, wholly new, and a God o= f goodness and grace hitherto unknown.=E2=80=9D=20=20 I U II 192 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CKarma thus, is simply action, a concatenation of causes and effect= s. That which adjusts each effect to its direct cause; that which guides in= visibly and as unerringly these effects to choose, as the field of their op= eration, the right person in the right place, is what we call Karmic Law.=20 =20 What shall we call it the hand of providence? We cannot do so, especially i= n Christian lands, because the term has been connected with, and interprete= d theologically as, the foresight and personal design of a personal god; an= d because in the active laws of Karma=E2=80=94absolute Equity=E2=80=94based= on the Universal Harmony, there is neither foresight nor desire; and becau= se again, it is our own actions, thoughts, and deeds which guide that law, = instead of being guided by it. =E2=80=9CFor whatsoever a man soweth, that s= hall he also reap=E2=80=9D [Gal. vi, 7]. It is only a very unphilosophical = and illogical theology which can speak in one breath of free will, and grac= e or damnation being preordained to every human from (?) eternity, as thoug= h eternity could have a beginning to start from! But this question would le= ad us too far into metaphysical disquisitions. Suffice it to say that Karma= leads us to rebirth, and that rebirth generates new Karma while working of= f the old, Sa=C3=B1chita Karma. Both are indissolubly bound up, one in the = other. Let us get rid of Karma, if we would get rid of the miseries of rebi= rths or=E2=80=94 REINCARNATION. =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D B C W XI p. 144-5 THOUGHTS ON KARMA & REINCARNATION HPB =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CWisdom Religion. The one religion which underlies all the now-exis= ting creeds. That =E2=80=9Cfaith=E2=80=9D which, being primordial, and reve= aled directly to human kind by their progenitors and informing EGOS (though= the Church regards them as the =E2=80=9Cfallen angels=E2=80=9D), required = no =E2=80=9Cgrace=E2=80=9D, nor blind faith to believe, for it was knowledg= e. (See =E2=80=9CGupta Vidy=C3=A2=E2=80=9D, Hidden Knowledge.) It is on thi= s Wisdom Religion that Theosophy is based.=E2=80=9D T Glos 371-2 =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CMillions of people who have never heard of reincarnation and even = those who believe in it, live and die in absolute ignorance of who they wer= e in their former incarnations=E2=80=94and they are not a bit the worse for= that. Those whose spirit is open to the great truths, those who understand= absolute justice and reject every doctrine based on favoritism or personal= grace will fully understand what we mean.=20 =20 For the immortal soul this is nothing but justice.=20 =20 That cast-off existence is for it but a page torn out of the great book of = life before the pages are numbered, and the SOUL suffers no more from it th= an a saint in ecstasy would suffer because he had lost all recollection of = one wretched day among the 20,000 days that he has passed on earth.=20 =20 On the contrary, had he retained that recollection, it would have been enou= gh to prevent him from ever feeling happy. Only one drop of gall is enough = to make the water bitter in the largest vessel. And after all, the doctrine= teaches us that these cases of total annihilation of a personality are ext= remely rare. (See Fragment VI, The Theosophist, Vol. IV, March 1883, p. 134). B C W V 4-5 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CThe correspondent=E2=80=99s question as to =E2=80=9Chow the recent= teachings of` Occult Science really originated,=E2=80=9D is easily answere= d.=20 =20 A crisis had arrived in which it was absolutely necessary to bring within r= each of our generation the Esoteric Doctrine of the eternal cycles. Religio= n, both in the West and East, had long been smothering beneath the dust hea= ps of Sectarianism and enfranchised Science. For lack of` any scientific re= ligious concept, Science was giving Religion the coup-de-gr=C3=A2ce with th= e iron bar of Materialism.=20 =20 To crown the disorder, the phantom-world of Hades, or Kama-loka, had burst = in a muddy torrent into ten thousand s=C3=A9ance-rooms, and created most mi= sleading notions of man=E2=80=99s post-mortem state.=20 =20 Nothing but a few fundamental tenets from the Esoteric philosophy, sketched= in broad outlines by such a clear and brilliant writer as Mr. Sinnett =E2= =80=9C B C W X 153 =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CThe Society was founded to become the Brotherhood of Humanity=E2= =80=94a centre, philosophical and religious, common to all=E2=80=94not as a= propaganda for Buddhism merely. Its first steps were directed toward the s= ame great aim that =C3=89. Burnouf ascribes to Buddha =C2=AEakyamuni, who = =E2=80=9Copened his church to all men, without distinction of origin, caste= , nation, colour, or sex=E2=80=9D (Vide Art. I in the Rules of the T.S.), a= dding, =E2=80=9CMy law is a law of Grace for all.=E2=80=9D In the same way = the Theosophical Society is open to all, without distinction of =E2=80=9Cor= igin, caste, nation, colour, or sex,=E2=80=9D and what is more=E2=80=94of c= reed.=E2=80=9D B C W X 65 =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CAnother proof that Paul belonged to the circle of the =E2=80=9CIni= tiates=E2=80=9D lies in the following fact. The apostle had his head shorn = at Cenchreae (where Lucius Apuleius was initiated) because =E2=80=9Che had = a vow.=E2=80=9D The Nazars=E2=80=93=E2=80=93or set apart=E2=80=93=E2=80=93a= s we see in the Jewish Scriptures, had to cut their hair which they wore lo= ng, and which =E2=80=9Cno razor touched=E2=80=9D at any other time, and sac= rifice it on the altar of initiation. And the Nazars were a class of Chalda= ean Theurgists [or Initiates].=E2=80=A0 =20 It is shown in Isis Unveiled that Jesus belonged to this class. =20 Paul declares that: =E2=80=9CAccording to the grace of God which is given u= nto me, as a wise master-builder, I have laid the foundation.=E2=80=9D (I C= orinth. iii, 10.) =20 The expression, master-builder, used only once in the whole Bible, and by P= aul, may be considered as a whole revelation. In the Mysteries, the third p= art of the sacred rites was called epopteia, or revelation, reception into = the secrets. In substance it means [the highest stage of clairvoyance=E2=80= =93=E2=80=93the divine] . . . but the real significance of the word is =E2= =80=9Coverseeing,=E2=80=9D from =C3=90BJ@:"4=E2=80=93=E2=80=93 =E2=80=9CI s= ee myself.=E2=80=9D [In Sanskrit the root ap had the same meaning originall= y, though now it is understood as meaning =E2=80=9Cto obtain.=E2=80=9D]=E2= =80=A1 B C W XIV 123 =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CTherefore, with the Kabalists it was a like symbol. =E2=80=9CBird= =E2=80=9D was a Chaldean, and has become a Hebrew synonym and symbol for An= gel, a Soul, a Spirit, or Deva; and the =E2=80=9CBird=E2=80=99s Nest=E2=80= =9D was with both Heaven, and is God=E2=80=99s bosom in the Zohar. The perf= ect Messiah enters Eden =E2=80=9Cinto that place which is called the Bird= =E2=80=99s Nest=E2=80=9D (Zohar, ii., 8b). =E2=80=A6 =20 =E2=80=9CLike a bird that is flying from its nest, and that is the Soul fro= m which the Shekeenah (divine wisdom or grace) does not move away=E2=80=9D = (Zohar, iii., 278a; Myer=E2=80=99s Qabbalah, 217). =E2=80=9CThe Nest of the= eternal Bird, the flutter of whose wings produces life, is boundless space= ,=E2=80=9D says the Commentary, meaning Hansa, the bird of Wisdom. =20 It is Adam Kadmon who is the (Sephirothal) tree, and it is he who becomes t= he =E2=80=9CTree of knowledge of good and evil =E2=80=9C esoterically. And = that =E2=80=9Ctree hath around it seven columns (seven pillars) of the worl= d, or Rectores=E2=80=9D; the same =E2=80=9CProgenitors=E2=80=9D or =E2=80= =9CSephiroth=E2=80=9D again =E2=80=9Coperating through the respective order= s of Angels in the spheres of the seven planets,=E2=80=9D etc., one of whic= h orders begets giants (Nephilim) on Earth. S D II 292-3 =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9Che early Hebrews following in the steps of the Oriental philosophy= =E2=80=94Chaldean, Persian, Hindu, Arabic, etc. Their Primal Cause was desi= gnated at first =E2=80=9Cby the triadic Shadda=C3=AF, the (triune) Almighty= , subsequently by the Tetragrammaton, YHVH, symbol of the Past, Present, an= d Future,=E2=80=9D and, let us add, of=20 =20 The eternal Is, or the I AM. Moreover, in the Kabala the name YHVH (or Jeho= vah) expresses a He and a She, male and female, two in one, or Hokhmah and = Binah, and his, or rather their Shekinah or synthesizing spirit (grace), wh= ich makes again of the Duad a Triad.=20 =20 This is demonstrated in the Jewish Liturgy for Pentecost, and the prayer, = =E2=80=9CIn the name of Unity, of the Holy and Blessed H=C3=BB (He), and Hi= s Shekinah, the Hidden and Concealed H=C3=BB, blessed be YHVH (the Quaterna= ry) for ever.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CH=C3=BB is said to be masculine and YAH fem= inine, together they make the i.e., one YHVH. One, but of a male-female na= ture.=20 =20 The Shekinah is always considered in the Qabbalah as feminine=E2=80=9D (p. = 175). And so it is considered in the exoteric Pur=C3=A2nas, for Shekinah is= no more than Sakti=E2=80=94the female double or lining of any god, in such= case. And so it was with the early Christians whose Holy Spirit was femini= ne, as Sophia was with the Gnostics. But in the transcendental Chaldean Kab= ala or =E2=80=9CBook of Numbers,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CShekinah=E2=80=9D is sex= less, and the purest abstraction, a State, like Nirvana, not subject or obj= ect or anything except an absolute PRESENCE. =20 Thus it is only in the anthromorphised systems (such as the Kabala has now = greatly become) that Shekinah-Sakti is feminine. As such she becomes the Du= ad of Pythagoras, the two straight lines of the symbol that can never meet,= which therefore form no geometrical figure and the symbol of matter. Out = of this Duad, when united in one basic line of the triangle on the lower pl= ane (the upper Triangle of the Sephirothal Tree), emerge the Elohim, or Dei= ty in Cosmic Nature, with the true Kabalists the lowest designation, transl= ated in the Bible =E2=80=9CGod=E2=80=9D (see the same work and page).* Out = of these issue the Scintillas. =20 The Scintillas are the =E2=80=9CSouls,=E2=80=9D and these Souls appear in t= he three-fold form of Monads (units), atoms and gods=E2=80=94according to o= ur teaching. =E2=80=9CEvery atom becomes a visible complex unit (a molecule= ), and once attracted into the sphere of terrestial activity, the Monadic E= ssence, passing through the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms, become= s man.=E2=80=9D (Esot. Catechism.)=20 =20 Again, =E2=80=9CGod, Monad, and Atom are the correspondences of Spirit, Min= d, and Body (Atma, Manas, and Sthula Sarira) in man.=E2=80=9D In their sept= enary aggregation they are the =E2=80=9CHeavenly Man=E2=80=9D (see Kabala f= or the latter term); thus, terrestrial man is the provisional reflection of= the Heavenly. . . . =E2=80=9CThe Monads (Jivas) are the Souls of the Atoms= , both are the fabric in which the Chohans (Dhyanis, gods) cloth themselves= when a form is needed.=E2=80=9D (Esot. Cat.) =20 This relates to Cosmic and sub-planetary Monads, not to the Super-Cosmic Mo= nas (the Pythagorean Monad) as called, in its synthetic character, by the P= antheistical Peripatetics.=20 =20 The Monads of the present dissertation are treated from the standpoint of t= heir individuality, as atomic Souls, before these atoms descend into pure t= errestrial form. For this descent into concrete matter marks the medial poi= nt of their own individual pilgrimage.=20 =20 Here, losing in the mineral kingdom their individuality, they begin to asce= nd through the seven states of terrestrial evolution to that point where a = correspondence is firmly established between the human and Deva (divine) co= nsciousness. At present, however, we are not concerned with their terrestri= al metamorphoses and tribulations, but with their life and behaviour in Spa= ce, on planes wherein the eye of the most intuitional chemist and physicist= cannot reach them=E2=80=94unless, indeed, he develops in himself highly cl= airvoyant faculties.=E2=80=9D S D I 618-19 =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CIt is quite true that the origin of every religion is based on the= dual powers, male and female, of abstract Nature, but these in their turn = were the radiations or emanations of the sexless, infinite, absolute Princi= ple, the only One to be worshipped in spirit and not with rites; whose immu= table laws no words of prayer or propitiation can change, and whose sunny o= r shadowy, beneficent or maleficent influence, grace or curse, under the fo= rm of Karma, can be determined only by the actions=E2=80=94not by the empty= supplications=E2=80=94of the devotee.=20 =20 This was the religion, the One Faith of the whole of primitive humanity, an= d was that of the =E2=80=9CSons of God,=E2=80=9D the B=E2=80=99ne Elohim of= old. This faith assured to its followers the full possession of transcende= ntal psychic powers, of the truly divine magic.=20 =20 Later on, when mankind fell, in the natural course of its evolution =E2=80= =9Cinto generation,=E2=80=9D i.e., into human creation and procreation, and= carrying down the subjective process of Nature from the plane of spiritual= ity to that of matter=E2=80=94made in its selfish and animal adoration of s= elf a God of the human organism, and worshipped self in this objective pers= onal Deity, then was black magic initiated.=20 =20 This magic or sorcery is based upon, springs from, and has the very life an= d soul of selfish impulse; and thus was gradually developed the idea of a p= ersonal God. The first =E2=80=9Cpillar of unhewn stone,=E2=80=9D the first = objective =E2=80=9Csign and witness to the Lord,=E2=80=9D creative, generat= ive, and the =E2=80=9CFather of man,=E2=80=9D was made to become the archet= ype and progenitor of the long series of male (vertical) and female (horizo= ntal) Deities, of pillars, and cones.=20 =20 Anthropomorphism in religion is the direct generator of and stimulus to the= exercise of black, left-hand magic. =20 And it was again merely a feeling of selfish national exclusiveness=E2=80= =94not even patriotism=E2=80=94of pride and self-glorification over all oth= er nations, that could lead an Isaiah to see a difference between the one l= iving God and the idols of the neighbouring nations.=20 =20 In the day of the great =E2=80=9Cchange,=E2=80=9D Karma, whether called per= sonal or impersonal Providence, will see no difference between those who se= t =E2=80=9Can altar [horizontal] to the Lord in the midst of the land of Eg= ypt, and a pillar [vertical] at the border thereof=E2=80=9D (Isaiah xix, 19= ), and they who =E2=80=9Cseek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to the= m that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards=E2=80=9D [Isaiah, xix, 3]= =E2=80=94for all this is human, hence devilish black magic. =20 It is then the latter magic, coupled with anthropomorphic worship, that cau= sed the =E2=80=9CGreat War=E2=80=9D and was the reason for the =E2=80=9CGre= at Flood=E2=80=9D of Atlantis; for this reason also the Initiates=E2=80=94t= hose who had remained true to primeval Revelation=E2=80=94formed themselves= into separate communities, keeping their magic or religious rites in the p= rofoundest secrecy. The caste of the Br=C4=81hmanas, the descendants of the= =E2=80=9Cmind-born Rishis and Sons of Brahm=C4=81=E2=80=9D dates from thos= e days, as also do the =E2=80=9CMysteries.=E2=80=9D =20 Natural sciences, archaeology, theology, philosophy, all have been forced i= n The Secret Doctrine to give their evidence in support of the teachings he= rein again propounded.=20 =20 Vox audita perit: litera scripta manet. [Spoken words are lost, wri= tten words remain] =20 Published admissions cannot be made away with=E2=80=94even by an opponent: = they have been made good use of. Had I acted otherwise, The Secret Doctrine= , from the first chapter to the last, would have amounted to uncorroborated= personal affirmations. Scholars and some of the latest discoveries in vari= ous departments of science being brought to testify to what might have othe= rwise appeared to the average reader as the most preposterous hypotheses ba= sed upon unverified assertions, the rationality of these will be made clear= . Occult teaching will at last be examined in the light of science, physica= l as well as spiritual. =E2=80=9C B C W XIII 259 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CTrue, Magic has lost its name, and along with it its rights to rec= ognition. But its practice is in daily use; and its progeny, =E2=80=9Cmagne= tic influence,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cpower of oratory,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cirresi= stible fascination,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cwhole audiences subdued and held as t= hough under a spell,=E2=80=9D are terms recognized and used by all, general= ly meaningless though they now are. Its effects, however, are more determin= ed and definite among religious congregations such as the Shakers, the Negr= o Methodists, and Salvationists, who call it =E2=80=9Cthe action of the Hol= y Spirit=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cgrace.=E2=80=9D=20 =20 The real truth is that Magic is still in full sway amidst mankind, however = blind the latter to its silent presence and influence on its members, howev= er ignorant society may be, and remain, to its daily and hourly beneficent = and maleficent effects. The world is full of such unconscious magicians=E2= =80=93in politics as well as in daily life, in the Church as in the strongh= olds of Free-Thought. Most of those magicians are =E2=80=9Csorcerers=E2=80= =9D unhappily, not metaphorically but in sober reality, by reason of their = inherent selfishness, their revengeful natures, their envy and malice.=20 =20 The true student of Magic, well aware of the truth, looks on in pity, and, = if he be wise, keeps silent. Fore very effort made by him to remove the uni= versal cecity is only repaid with ingratitude, slander, and often curses, = which, unable to reach him, will react on those who wish him evil. Lies an= d calumny=E2=80=93the latter a teething lie, adding actual bites to empty h= armless falsehoods =E2=80=93become his lot, and thus the well-wisher= is soon torn to pieces, as a reward for his benevolent desire to enlighten= . =20 Enough has been given, it is believed, to show that the existence of a Secr= et Universal Doctrine, besides its practical methods of Magic, is no wild r= omance or fiction. The fact was known to the whole ancient world, and the k= nowledge of it has survived in the East, in India especially. And if there = be such a Science, there must be naturally, somewhere, professors of it, or= Adepts. In any case it matters little whether the Guardians of the Sacred = Lore are regarded as living, actually existing men, or are viewed as myths.= It is their Philosophy that will have to stand or fall upon its own merits= , apart from, and independent of any Adepts. For in the words of the wise = Gamaliel, addressed by him to the Synedrion: =E2=80=9CIf this doctrine is f= alse it will perish, and fall of itself; but if true, then=E2=80=93=E2=80= =93it cannot be destroyed.=E2=80=9D=20=20 B C W XIV 32-4 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Dallas =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Sun Oct 02 11:47:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67206 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 18:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 18:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 18:47:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 22637 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2005 18:46:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20051002184652.22635.qmail@web33412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.9.23.244] by web33412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 11:46:52 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:46:52 -0700 (PDT) To: ultinla@juno.com Cc: fohat@telusplanet.net, fohat@planet.eon.net, epelleti@telus.net, Carlos Aveline , katinka hesselink , Gerald Schueler , Theos-Talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" Subject: To Jerome Wheeler, Editor of The Aquarian Theosophist: Mr. Aveline's Comments about My Book X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=j0tjlMjsuSlMYHoeSxNPUpQuFFThzQ4oY92H_lTdgNLapLHI_5T_V_En X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell Sunday, October 2, 2005 To Jerome Wheeler, Editor of The Aquarian Theosophist. Dear Mr. Wheeler: Knowing that you are a fair minded person and Theosophist, I'm sure you will want your AT readers to know about the following especially since Mr. Aveline's comments as found in a previous issue of "The Aquarian Theosophist" are so one-sided and misleading. I am hoping that you will publish my letter/article [see below] in the next issue of "The Aquarian Theosophist" so your readers will be better informed. ------------------------------------------ My Reply to Carlos Cardoso Aveline's Comments about my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY In "The Aquarian Theosophist", Vol. V, #10, August 17, 2005, pp. 4-5, Carlos Cardoso Aveline in an article titled "The Embellishment of Truth: Understanding Self-Delusion in the Esoteric Movement" described my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY as a "disgusting volume"! :) He wrote in part: "In the year 2000, the Theosophical Publishing House/Quest Books published the unfortunate volume THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY by Daniel Caldwell. This 452 pp. book is a collection of testimonies, false and true, about the life of H.P. Blavatsky. With this book, Daniel Caldwell inaugurated a new 'editorial policy' adopted by the Adyar Theosophical Society in America, [see his footnote below] which consists of publishing lies and libels invented by the old enemies of H.P. Blavatsky and of the theosophical movement as if they were authentic documents. The new editorial 'policy' also includes publishing these false accusations scattered amidst authentic documents, which makes it harder for the inexperienced student to identity the falsehoods whose effect - if unresisted - would be killing HPB's memory and destroying its spiritual vibration at the moral, ethical and occult levels, which are inevitably interconnected....In the disgusting volume THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY - while believing the editor has selected truthful documents -the reader will bump into many of the lies written against HPB. There he will see two texts by Emma Coulomb ... with no word from the 'editor" Daniel Caldwell admitting he is publishing documents which have no trace of truth in them whatsoever." "Caldwell's book also contains two texts by Mr. Solovyov with attacks against HPB; one false testimony by Mr. Richard Hodgson, several false accusations against HPB made by Moncure D. Conway and many other unjust attacks AIMED AT HER WHO IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND HERSELF. The disgusting material includes utter disrespect for two Sacred Teachers and Their names, in one of the libels signed by Emma Coulomb. Its reproduction by a Publishing House which calls itself 'Theosophical' is something which surpasses and goes relatively far beyond the limits of absurdity...." "It is true that the editor of THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY wrote at the preface of the book: 'These reminiscences by her relatives, acquaintances, friends, co-workers, and enemies give a vivid portrayal of Madame Blavatsky's personality and allow the reader to enter into the historical milieu of her time.' But he forgot the profound difference between an enemy and a liar. An enemy, says the dictionary, is an adversary or an opponent - often an honest person. A liar is a person who tells lies - or who KNOWINGLY HELPS PROPAGATING THEM. Enemies may say unpleasant truths and we should be able to learn from them. The problem is not with enemies, then, but with FALSE TESTIMONIES. The editor of THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY wrongly called "reminiscences" the old, well-known falsehoods and proven lies. He and TPH-Wheaton considered them beautiful enough to go to the public." [Footnote by Aveline: "This Editorial 'policy' does not have the approval of the International President of the Adyar Society, Mrs. Radha Burnier, as she clarified in a letter addressed to me and dated 24 June 2004."] I find that Mr. Aveline's above comments contain a number of misleading and inaccurate statements. In regards to Aveline's comments about the adding of negative accounts by Coulomb and Hodgson, etc. to the TPH Wheaton edition of my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY, it was MY decision and only MY decision [not TPH Wheaton] to add them so that readers could see what the charges against HPB actually were, ESPECIALLY since many of the other accounts by "friendly" witnesses refer to these charges, and even make comments about the charges, etc. I saw no good reason to hide the "negative" accounts from readers....One might conclude from his various comments that Mr. Aveline doesn't want readers to read these accounts for themselves and come to their own conclusions. Also by giving these accounts in my book, the reader can start to UNDERSTAND the RELEVANCE of what the other witnesses say in their accounts. Furthermore, I was motivated to include them in light of what Madame Blavatsky once wrote: "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 218. I wanted the reader to be able to compare notes and hear both sides. What is wrong with that? Doesn't Mr. Aveline want readers to do their own comparing of notes, etc.? And CONTRARY to what Mr. Aveline writes, some of the editorial notes in my book do call the reader's attention to the conflicting testimony and even to the falsity of the charges against HPB. Here are some of my notes to the readers: p. 185: "Her phenomena and the reality of her teachers were both controversial matters, eliciting both believing acceptance (sometimes with independent confirmation) and skeptical rejection, as the following selections will illustrate." p. 205: "Emma Coulomb later claimed that she collaborated with HPB at Adyar, as she had earlier in Bombay, in producing false phenomena; however, her descriptions of what she did are not consistent with the observatations of others, who witnessed the phenomena, both Indian and Westerners, as some of the following selections demonstrate." p. 263: "Meanwhile, a vicious attack on Blavatsky by two of her staff members at Adyar, Alexis and Emma Coulomb, was rapidly building up....She wished to sue the couple, already dismissed from Adyar for their gross libel concerning her supposedly fraudulent production of psychic phenomena...." p. 264: "The Coulomb attack, as was later evident, had no solid foundation whatsoever. It was based on forged and partially forged letters, purporting to have been written by H.P. Blavatsky, with instructions to arrange fraudulent psychic phenomena of various kinds." p. 264: "In 1963, Adlai Waterman....refuted Hodgson's contentions against Madame Blavatsky....Another refutation of some of Hodgson's charges against HPB is Vernon Harison's article...." p. 406: "In May 1884, the Coulomb couple were expelled from the Theosophial Society for theft, attempted extortion and slander...." p. 415: "At first, relations between the two were friendly but Solovyov turned against HPB and wrote a book....in which he attempted to protray HPB as a fraud."....Hasting, SOLOVYOFF'S FRAUD.... One might conclude that Mr. Aveline either didn't carefully read my book to know about these notes or else he didn't want his readers to know that I had added such comments. Surely the perceptive reader of all of these notes, etc. in my book will be able to see that one should take what these writers [Coulomb and Hodgson] say with a grain of salt. Readers of Aveline's article should also know that the ONE selection by Solovyoff in my book is NOT an "attack" on HPB contrary to what Aveline contends. Did Aveline even read this selection by Solovyoff? Furthermore, I specifically selected the material by Coulomb and Hodgson to put in JUXTAPOSITION with other accounts which show that what they (Coulomb and Hodgson) say about, for example, the appearances of the Masters, must surely be off the mark, to say the least or as I believe.....wrong...false. If anything, the accounts by the above "enemies" of HPB found next to other accounts will make the reader .... THINK .... about the charges and their validity. And if they are perceptive at all, they should (at the very least) conclude that the Coulomb/Hodgson charges should not be taken at face value WITHOUT carefully considering other material which is also found in the book or what can be found in greater detail in the Waterman and Harrison books. Some of the thoughtful readers of my book may actually dig deeper and try to determine for themselves what really happened....instead of believing either Aveline or me!! One more point. Mr. Aveline wrote about "karma": "The disgusting material includes utter disrespect for two Sacred Teachers and Their names, in one of the libels signed by Emma Coulomb. Its reproduction by a Publishing House which calls itself 'Theosophical' is something which surpasses and goes relatively far beyond the limits of absurdity.... As to this kind of action, there are two levels of karma: the karma of actively publishing lies against the Masters and HPB, and the karma of anyone who knows about this and does nothing. This will not be the karma of earnest students...." [FOHAT, Summer 2005, p. 32] Trying to understand Mr. Aveline's "reasoning" in this matter, I wonder if his above comments about "beyond the limits of absurdity" and the creation of karma ("bad" I assume) would ALSO apply to a 1995 photocopied "reproduction" of Emma Coulomb's pamphlet?? In 1995, the Edmonton Theosophical Society (who is also the publisher of FOHAT where similar adverse comments by Aveline have appeared about my book) REPRINTED the ENTIRE 112 pages of Madame Coulomb's "disgusting" (to use Aveline's description) pamphlet. I only reprinted 3 or 4 pages of the Coulomb pamphlet in my book! :) It should also be noted that there are no publisher's comments or notes appended to this ETS reproduction to indicate to readers that this pamphlet contains "old well-known falsehoods and proven lies" (again to use Mr. Aveline's phraselogy). At least I added some notes warning the reader! :) So would Mr. Aveline ALSO conclude that the "reproduction [of the Coulomb pamphlet] by a Publishing House [ETS of Canada] which calls itself 'Theosophical' is something which surpasses and goes relatively far beyond the limits of absurdity...."???? Furthermore, would Mr. Aveline also agree that the Edmonton Theosophical Society as publisher of this reprint has generated "karma" for "actively publishing lies against the Masters and HPB"? If Mr. Aveline can make the kind of comments he has about the Theosophical Publishing House, Wheaton, Illinois, USA, is he also willing to castigate the Edmonton Theosophical Society for similar if not worse actions?? These are just some of the questions and thoughts that came to me as I seriously pondered on what Mr. Aveline's statements and reasoning actually mean. Unfortunately, there are a number of other misleading statements to be found in Aveline's article. I will save my comments on these statements for possibly a future pamphlet concerning Mr. Aveline's views, research methods, statements, etc. as found of late in various articles published in both "The Aquarian Theosophist" and "FOHAT". In the meantime, I suggest that your readers might want to actually read my book and judge it on its own merits instead of simply believing what Mr. Aveline has written about it. Daniel H. Caldwell Blavatsky Study Center http://blavatskyarchives.com From danielhcaldwell@... Sun Oct 02 13:01:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@... X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70878 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 20:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 20:01:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 20:01:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2005 20:00:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2005 20:00:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:00:33 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 11763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.9.23.244 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" Subject: To Jerome Wheeler, Editor of The Aquarian Theosophist: Mr. Aveline's Comments .. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895; y=m9cyEiTDUrGvjM_ArJYVuli-kYy7e2dL-6nyGL_kRjEw-JUDY2n7sqyI X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell To Jerome Wheeler, Editor of The Aquarian Theosophist: Mr. Aveline's Comments about My Book Sunday, October 2, 2005 To Jerome Wheeler, Editor of The Aquarian Theosophist. Dear Mr. Wheeler: Knowing that you are a fair minded person and Theosophist, I'm sure you will want your AT readers to know about the following especially since Mr. Aveline's comments as found in a previous issue of "The Aquarian Theosophist" are so one-sided and misleading. I am hoping that you will publish my letter/article [see below] in the next issue of "The Aquarian Theosophist" so your readers will be better informed. ------------------------------------------ My Reply to Carlos Cardoso Aveline's Comments about my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY In "The Aquarian Theosophist", Vol. V, #10, August 17, 2005, pp. 4-5, Carlos Cardoso Aveline in an article titled "The Embellishment of Truth: Understanding Self-Delusion in the Esoteric Movement" described my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY as a "disgusting volume"! :) He wrote in part: "In the year 2000, the Theosophical Publishing House/Quest Books published the unfortunate volume THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY by Daniel Caldwell. This 452 pp. book is a collection of testimonies, false and true, about the life of H.P. Blavatsky. With this book, Daniel Caldwell inaugurated a new 'editorial policy' adopted by the Adyar Theosophical Society in America, [see his footnote below] which consists of publishing lies and libels invented by the old enemies of H.P. Blavatsky and of the theosophical movement as if they were authentic documents. The new editorial 'policy' also includes publishing these false accusations scattered amidst authentic documents, which makes it harder for the inexperienced student to identity the falsehoods whose effect - if unresisted - would be killing HPB's memory and destroying its spiritual vibration at the moral, ethical and occult levels, which are inevitably interconnected....In the disgusting volume THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY - while believing the editor has selected truthful documents -the reader will bump into many of the lies written against HPB. There he will see two texts by Emma Coulomb ... with no word from the 'editor" Daniel Caldwell admitting he is publishing documents which have no trace of truth in them whatsoever." "Caldwell's book also contains two texts by Mr. Solovyov with attacks against HPB; one false testimony by Mr. Richard Hodgson, several false accusations against HPB made by Moncure D. Conway and many other unjust attacks AIMED AT HER WHO IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND HERSELF. The disgusting material includes utter disrespect for two Sacred Teachers and Their names, in one of the libels signed by Emma Coulomb. Its reproduction by a Publishing House which calls itself 'Theosophical' is something which surpasses and goes relatively far beyond the limits of absurdity...." "It is true that the editor of THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY wrote at the preface of the book: 'These reminiscences by her relatives, acquaintances, friends, co-workers, and enemies give a vivid portrayal of Madame Blavatsky's personality and allow the reader to enter into the historical milieu of her time.' But he forgot the profound difference between an enemy and a liar. An enemy, says the dictionary, is an adversary or an opponent - often an honest person. A liar is a person who tells lies - or who KNOWINGLY HELPS PROPAGATING THEM. Enemies may say unpleasant truths and we should be able to learn from them. The problem is not with enemies, then, but with FALSE TESTIMONIES. The editor of THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY wrongly called "reminiscences" the old, well-known falsehoods and proven lies. He and TPH-Wheaton considered them beautiful enough to go to the public." [Footnote by Aveline: "This Editorial 'policy' does not have the approval of the International President of the Adyar Society, Mrs. Radha Burnier, as she clarified in a letter addressed to me and dated 24 June 2004."] I find that Mr. Aveline's above comments contain a number of misleading and inaccurate statements. In regards to Aveline's comments about the adding of negative accounts by Coulomb and Hodgson, etc. to the TPH Wheaton edition of my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY, it was MY decision and only MY decision [not TPH Wheaton] to add them so that readers could see what the charges against HPB actually were, ESPECIALLY since many of the other accounts by "friendly" witnesses refer to these charges, and even make comments about the charges, etc. I saw no good reason to hide the "negative" accounts from readers....One might conclude from his various comments that Mr. Aveline doesn't want readers to read these accounts for themselves and come to their own conclusions. Also by giving these accounts in my book, the reader can start to UNDERSTAND the RELEVANCE of what the other witnesses say in their accounts. Furthermore, I was motivated to include them in light of what Madame Blavatsky once wrote: "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 218. I wanted the reader to be able to compare notes and hear both sides. What is wrong with that? Doesn't Mr. Aveline want readers to do their own comparing of notes, etc.? And CONTRARY to what Mr. Aveline writes, some of the editorial notes in my book do call the reader's attention to the conflicting testimony and even to the falsity of the charges against HPB. Here are some of my notes to the readers: p. 185: "Her phenomena and the reality of her teachers were both controversial matters, eliciting both believing acceptance (sometimes with independent confirmation) and skeptical rejection, as the following selections will illustrate." p. 205: "Emma Coulomb later claimed that she collaborated with HPB at Adyar, as she had earlier in Bombay, in producing false phenomena; however, her descriptions of what she did are not consistent with the observatations of others, who witnessed the phenomena, both Indian and Westerners, as some of the following selections demonstrate." p. 263: "Meanwhile, a vicious attack on Blavatsky by two of her staff members at Adyar, Alexis and Emma Coulomb, was rapidly building up....She wished to sue the couple, already dismissed from Adyar for their gross libel concerning her supposedly fraudulent production of psychic phenomena...." p. 264: "The Coulomb attack, as was later evident, had no solid foundation whatsoever. It was based on forged and partially forged letters, purporting to have been written by H.P. Blavatsky, with instructions to arrange fraudulent psychic phenomena of various kinds." p. 264: "In 1963, Adlai Waterman....refuted Hodgson's contentions against Madame Blavatsky....Another refutation of some of Hodgson's charges against HPB is Vernon Harison's article...." p. 406: "In May 1884, the Coulomb couple were expelled from the Theosophial Society for theft, attempted extortion and slander...." p. 415: "At first, relations between the two were friendly but Solovyov turned against HPB and wrote a book....in which he attempted to protray HPB as a fraud."....Hasting, SOLOVYOFF'S FRAUD.... One might conclude that Mr. Aveline either didn't carefully read my book to know about these notes or else he didn't want his readers to know that I had added such comments. Surely the perceptive reader of all of these notes, etc. in my book will be able to see that one should take what these writers [Coulomb and Hodgson] say with a grain of salt. Readers of Aveline's article should also know that the ONE selection by Solovyoff in my book is NOT an "attack" on HPB contrary to what Aveline contends. Did Aveline even read this selection by Solovyoff? Furthermore, I specifically selected the material by Coulomb and Hodgson to put in JUXTAPOSITION with other accounts which show that what they (Coulomb and Hodgson) say about, for example, the appearances of the Masters, must surely be off the mark, to say the least or as I believe.....wrong...false. If anything, the accounts by the above "enemies" of HPB found next to other accounts will make the reader .... THINK .... about the charges and their validity. And if they are perceptive at all, they should (at the very least) conclude that the Coulomb/Hodgson charges should not be taken at face value WITHOUT carefully considering other material which is also found in the book or what can be found in greater detail in the Waterman and Harrison books. Some of the thoughtful readers of my book may actually dig deeper and try to determine for themselves what really happened....instead of believing either Aveline or me!! One more point. Mr. Aveline wrote about "karma": "The disgusting material includes utter disrespect for two Sacred Teachers and Their names, in one of the libels signed by Emma Coulomb. Its reproduction by a Publishing House which calls itself 'Theosophical' is something which surpasses and goes relatively far beyond the limits of absurdity.... As to this kind of action, there are two levels of karma: the karma of actively publishing lies against the Masters and HPB, and the karma of anyone who knows about this and does nothing. This will not be the karma of earnest students...." [FOHAT, Summer 2005, p. 32] Trying to understand Mr. Aveline's "reasoning" in this matter, I wonder if his above comments about "beyond the limits of absurdity" and the creation of karma ("bad" I assume) would ALSO apply to a 1995 photocopied "reproduction" of Emma Coulomb's pamphlet?? In 1995, the Edmonton Theosophical Society (who is also the publisher of FOHAT where similar adverse comments by Aveline have appeared about my book) REPRINTED the ENTIRE 112 pages of Madame Coulomb's "disgusting" (to use Aveline's description) pamphlet. I only reprinted 3 or 4 pages of the Coulomb pamphlet in my book! :) It should also be noted that there are no publisher's comments or notes appended to this ETS reproduction to indicate to readers that this pamphlet contains "old well-known falsehoods and proven lies" (again to use Mr. Aveline's phraselogy). At least I added some notes warning the reader! :) So would Mr. Aveline ALSO conclude that the "reproduction [of the Coulomb pamphlet] by a Publishing House [ETS of Canada] which calls itself 'Theosophical' is something which surpasses and goes relatively far beyond the limits of absurdity...."???? Furthermore, would Mr. Aveline also agree that the Edmonton Theosophical Society as publisher of this reprint has generated "karma" for "actively publishing lies against the Masters and HPB"? If Mr. Aveline can make the kind of comments he has about the Theosophical Publishing House, Wheaton, Illinois, USA, is he also willing to castigate the Edmonton Theosophical Society for similar if not worse actions?? These are just some of the questions and thoughts that came to me as I seriously pondered on what Mr. Aveline's statements and reasoning actually mean. Unfortunately, there are a number of other misleading statements to be found in Aveline's article. I will save my comments on these statements for possibly a future pamphlet concerning Mr. Aveline's views, research methods, statements, etc. as found of late in various articles published in both "The Aquarian Theosophist" and "FOHAT". In the meantime, I suggest that your readers might want to actually read my book and judge it on its own merits instead of simply believing what Mr. Aveline has written about it. Daniel H. Caldwell Blavatsky Study Center http://blavatskyarchives.com From ringding@online.de Sun Oct 02 13:42:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: ringding@online.de X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28493 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from p54BF91E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.191.145.227] (helo=captain70e702a) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1EMAfN1YOe-0006lA; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:42:37 +0200 Message-ID: <009c01c5c792$0d215c90$152ca8c0@captain70e702a> To: References: <007a01c5c50e$1a03d540$230110ac@gateway.2wire.net> <001501c5c534$69553410$152ca8c0@captain70e702a> <005101c5c5ef$a4745470$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:44:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:d066391b47e67c594ae06bf3d758d7eb X-Originating-IP: 212.227.126.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Frank Reitemeyer" Subject: Re: Theos-World Melvy - new to group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=224426186; y=gLEf2nT9GpxP2FTHeAXdN_CzOUn-Su7f0cT6dpEV-YO3S5MVVUX0FUoJ5g X-Yahoo-Profile: frank_reitemeyer Hi Krishatar, I would like to answer your question, but obviously I do not undertstand it well. What do you ask me exactly? I mean what I have written: That he was a Tibetan tulku within the theosophical Dzyan succession. That fact is no secret, but was revealed some years ago by a close chela of him (the late W. Emmett Small), who gave some documents about that topic to Dick Slusser, who in turn published it in his independent High Country Theosophist. Read his article "The Mystery of Gottfried de Purucker": http://www.hctheosophist.com/archives/pdf/hc199107.pdf Compare also this article, which hints to the tulku power of William Judge, another successor of HPB within the theosophical Tibetan Dzyan School: http://www.hctheosophist.com/archives/pdf/hc199607.pdf About another Tibetan tulku - Katherine Tingley, the third leader of the Theosophical Movement and the original TS in Point Loma - not much is published, except some hints of her successor GdeP in his "Dialogues". Obviously the theosophists of today deserve not sich higher theosophy.... (!?) Do not be much disturbed by black magic attacks on Purucker in "theosophical" magazines. It comes from sources which wanted and still want to change the TS into a "bogus TS" (HPB's words of warning in her ES instructions). They hate the higher "Mahayana Theosophy" and deny the existence of enlightened beings and bodhisattvas. This "Hinayana Theosophists" (if ever that) want to make the world believe that only HPB was in contact with and trained by Masters and spread disinformation, gossip and slander to destroy the spiritual energy among theosophists - to replace it with psychic power of make believe and distrust against the spiritual power. They misinterpret HPB with their dead letter brain-minded pseudo-logic and prefer stones instead of bread. These strange theosophists not only deny the existence of those beings and that HPB taught it and knew them and announced them, they also deny that HPB wrote a third and fourth volume of her major work The Secret Doctrine, although HPB for herself affirmed it in plain words in one letter to a theosophists, they also present a wrong count of the evolution of the subraces, etc. etc. Do not be fooled. They want your SOUL. Develop the force within you to be well protected. Hope this helps. Otherwise please specify your question in plain words as English is just my second language. Best Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "krishtar" To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Melvy - new to group Hi Friend ! What did you mean with G de Purucker being a tibetan Tulku? It a new thing to me, can you please enlarge this comments?I am interested in what you can say about it. Tks Krtishtar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Melvy - new to group > Tashi deleks, Melvy, too and welcome to > this > group! > > It may interest you that theosophical > leader > and Tibetan tulku Gottfried de Purucker was > HPB's esoteric successor in the Tibetan > Dzyan > guruparampara and published some important > works, which are authentic and commentaries > of HPB's works: his "Esoteric Tradition", > "Fundamentals" and "Studies in Occult > Philosophy". > > The importance and inner worth of his books > is that they are - otherwise than many > books > of other authors which claim to be have > trained by the same or even higher Masters > as > HPB - original and true. > You should proof it for yourself. It can > save > you much life-time! > > Namaste! > > Frank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melvy" > > To: "White Lotus Group" > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: Theos-World Melvy - new to group > > > Tashi deley folks! > > (Tibetan gesture that is said to greet > another, "I honor the greatness in you") > > > > My name is Melvy Murguia, live in West > Hollywood, CA, and fortunate to have been > guided to Theosophy. I am new to the > works > of Blavatsky, and currently reading Isis > Unveiled. > > > > My purpose for being on this group is to > learn, be curious and share. > > Thank you for the forum and opportunity to > join. > > Be well, > > Melvy > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > removed] > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > theos-talk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links theos-talk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Sun Oct 02 14:04:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25049 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 21:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 21:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.brturbo.com.br) (200.199.201.164) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 21:04:12 -0000 Received: from SUPERCORDE (200-193-25-233.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.193.25.233]) by smtp3.brturbo.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id EB58333E7C for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:04:10 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <001501c5c795$1102ae10$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:05:47 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.199.201.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: Re: Theos-World To Jerome Wheeler, Editor of The Aquarian Theosophist: Mr. Aveline's Comments .. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=VuzzUGF-7UbErO1_fxF9C3f-ZI1FQ6BI5GMZnRRzlv9b2gmTeg X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Daniel For what level or kind of audience was the book written to? I have read the book just once and it did not downgraded HPBīs reputation or importance to me. I also think that the editor only gave a brief explanation about the nature of the incidents quoted in the book. Maybe Aveline expected a kind of book with footnotes saying something like "the letter/document above is false" or "the latter above could not be proved to be authentic". I consider the coments by Aveline very arrogant and do not represent the aim of the book, maybe he didnīt understand the purpose of the the work. Krishtar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <.... From dalval14@earthlink.net Sun Oct 02 14:44:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30291 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 21:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 21:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 21:44:20 -0000 Received: from [209.178.177.207] (helo=DALLAS) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMBd3-0005sq-Qm; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:44:19 -0400 To: "AA-BNStudy" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:43:24 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c5c79a$64ba5030$cfb1b2d1@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793c438ef6264ac74de9721d174d7d44bb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" Reply-To: Subject: RE: Proof of Adepts Value of Theosophy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573; y=nl1LNV_OV6z0tibfD75dObVNKC4zxR1YRN94w7-mfSAh9A X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 10/2/2005 12:48 PM RE: Proof of Adepts Value of Theosophy Dear Gerry: While this may sound extreme (as claim or statement), yet it carries the sense in which I write of the value of THEOSOPHY. And of the reason for respect of the MASTERS OF WISDOM. You may have noted how in the MAHATMA LETTERS [ pp. 33, 43 (Barker Edn.)] = , the great respect they offer to the Buddha, calling Him their Patron.=20 Hence the value of making strictly available to all students, new or old of the "ORIGINAL TEACHINGS."=20=20 I have mop objections to comments being made on those teachings IF SO LABELED. [ I mean advising clearly IN ADVANCE that editorial changes have been introduced, and where and why so done.] I object when I discover that changes have been introduced in so-called reproductions of the "original Teachings." The first of such NON-ADVERTISED changes, was the reprint, in 1893 of the SECRET DOCTRINE.=20 Both Adyar and Pasadena THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY s have done this in the past, and both have eventually returned to printing the ORIGINAL again. Here is another reason: =93WISDOM RELIGION. The one religion which underlies all the now-existing creeds.=20 That =93faith=94 which, being primordial, and revealed directly to human ki= nd by their progenitors and informing EGOS (though the Church regards them as the =93fallen angels=94), required no =93grace=94, nor blind faith to believe, = for it was knowledge. (See =93Gupta Vidy=E2=94, Hidden Knowledge.)=20 It is on this Wisdom Religion that Theosophy is based.=94 T Glos 371-2 ---------------------------------------- This does not preclude the WISDOM of Buddhism, Hinduism, Brahmanism, etc., which all can be traced back to the ORIGINAL Wisdom Religion -- the SANATAN= A DHAMMO (DHARMA) of antiquity. Our modern exposition by HPB of the Masters' Message is a continuation of the same ancient teachings.=20 Comparison produces and assures us of such verification. Best wishes, Dallas =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Schueler [mailto:gschueler@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:59 PM To: Theosophy Study List Subject: Proof of Adepts ZD The existence of Adepts can not be proven unless an Adept desires it to be so. Since Theosophists can not prove and demonstate such as actual FACT, does it mean it is not to be respected?=20=20 DTB: Many other examples of that in which can not be demonstated as actual FACT can be presented. I would appreciate an expounding of what is meant by the above statement.=20=20 An Adept is one who realizes the I-Not-I Monad and that the entire universe is an expression of this monad. Such a one can consciously make changes in his own Not-I or world. But so long as we are embodied, we share our worlds with others, and so making changes in one world always has karmic effects in the monadic world's of others who share it. Each Adept has a choice. They can deliberately avoid making any significant changes and let karmic forces run themselves out, as Ramakrishna did at the end of the 18th century, or they can make changes and thus reveal themselves to others, as many do. Those who remain in the background, making no significant changes, often go through life unknown and unnoticed. Those who choose to make changes and reveal themselves to others must pay the karmic price for doing so, as HPB's Adepts, and many others, have done. =20 DTB I see as methods of proof:=20=20 (1) testimony [ found in numerous accounts of personal witnesses ] (2) coherence of information offered to be considered =96 in conten= t, logic, support from other reliable sources. (3) lack of any enforcement, or any promises of securing personal preference or powers. dtb=20 Eye-witness testimony is usually unreliable, but sometimes it is all we have. Information, exoteric knowledge such as the original writings, does not validate Adepts, and could have been written by a non-Adept who was highly intelligent and had access to libraries. The information contained in the original writings is about as consistent as the Bible or Koran. In short, there are conflicts when we make literal interpretations. Failure to promise rewards is itself no guarantee of Adepts. If these three methods of "proof" were valid, then everyone today would believe in Adepts. Adepts generally are not interested in proving themselves to non-believers. They do, however, have an interest in helping those who are ready to see them for what they are. Personally, I believe in them because because I can see no reasonable alternative in light of my experiences.=20 Jerry S. --- You are currently subscribed to theos-l as: dalval14@earthlink.net List URL - http://list.vnet.net/?enter=3Dtheos-l To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-theos-l-56348C@list.vnet.net From dalval14@earthlink.net Sun Oct 02 14:44:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30402 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 21:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 21:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 21:44:22 -0000 Received: from [209.178.177.207] (helo=DALLAS) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMBcp-0005sq-A8; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:44:10 -0400 To: "AA-BNStudy" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:43:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c5c79a$560f2010$cfb1b2d1@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793c438ef6264ac74d00ca5a6ed1a46862350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" Reply-To: Subject: GRACE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573; y=dyol8zXdkbn3RRypDESSVLxKjKx61XV3GRU0MSgs7nyVlg X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 =20 =20 GRACE =20 =20 A few words of introduction: =20 The dictionary shows the many facets of meaning exposed by the word =E2=80= =9DGrace.=E2=80=9D =20 It has however a deep philosophical and metaphysical significance =E2=80=93= starting with the first =E2=80=9CSpiritual=E2=80=9D radiance that precedes= manifestation.=20 =20 It is therefore present in all manifested beings =E2=80=93 the monads know = it well, as it is of their essence.=20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 DICTIONARY ( a spectrum of meanings )=20 =20 Favor, kindness, mercy, a person who is favored,=20 =20 fate, destiny, virtue, elegance, charm,=20 =20 beauty of line or movement, =20 Theological: Divine mercy or forgiveness,=20=20 exemption (temporary) for a penalty,=20 =E2=80=9CState of Grace:=E2=80=9D result of a virtuous life, =20 Sister goddesses (Greek): Brilliance, Joy, Bloom. =20 In music: embellishing, but not essential notes,=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------- =20 =20 =20 Divine Grace S D II 498 =20 =20 AN ANCIENT HINDU ALLEGORY EXPLAINED =20 =20 =E2=80=9CIn the Mythology of the earliest Vedic Aryans as in the later Pur= =C3=A2nic narratives, mention is made of Budha, the "Wise"; one "learned in= the Secret Wisdom," and who is the planet Mercury in his euhemerization. = =E2=80=A6 =20 The presiding genius, or "regent" of the planet Jupiter is Brihaspati=E2=80= =A6=20 =20 He is the instructor or spiritual guru of the gods, who are the representat= ives of the procreative powers.=20 =20 In the Rig Veda, he is called Brahmanaspati, a name meaning "the deity in w= hom the action of the worshipped upon the gods is personified."=20 =20 DIVINE GRACE =20 Hence Brahmanaspati represents the materialization of the divine grace, so = to say, by means of ritual and ceremonies, or the exoteric worship.=20 =20 "TARA" * =E2=80=94 his wife =E2=80=94 is on the other hand the personificat= ion of the powers of one initiated into Gupta Vidya (secret knowledge), as = will be shown.=20 =20 SOMA is the moon astronomically; but in mystical phraseology, it is also th= e name of the sacred beverage drunk by the Brahmins and the Initiates durin= g their mysteries and sacrificial rites. =E2=80=A6 =20 Thus Brihaspati =E2=80=94 "guru of the gods" though he was =E2=80=94 still = represented the dead-letter form of worship.=20 =20 It is Tara his wife =E2=80=94 the symbol of one who, though wedded to dogma= tic worship, longs for true wisdom =E2=80=94 who is shown as initiated into= his mysteries by King Soma, the giver of that Wisdom.=20 =20 Soma is thus made in the allegory to carry her away.=20 =20 The result of this is the birth of Budha =E2=80=94 esoteric Wisdom =E2=80= =94 (Mercury, or Hermes in Greece and Egypt). He is represented as "so beau= tiful," that even the husband, though well aware that Budha is not the prog= eny of his dead-letter worship =E2=80=94 claims the "new-born" as his Son, = the fruit of his ritualistic and meaningless forms. =E2=80=A1=20 Such is, in brief, one of the meanings of the allegory.=20 S D II 498 =20 --------------------------------------------- =20 =20 ISIS I 228 =20 =E2=80=9CThe Supreme Lord of splendor and of light, luminous and refulge= nt, before which no other existed, is called Corona (the crown); Lord Ferho= , the unrevealed life which existed in the former from eternity; and Lord J= ordan =E2=80=94 the spirit, the living water of grace.* He is the one thro= ugh whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Shekinah, the sp= iritual garment of En-Soph, or the Holy Ghost.=20=20 =20=20=20=20 These three constitute the trinity in abscondito. The second trinity is= composed of the three lives. The first is the similitude of Lord Ferho, t= hrough whom he has proceeded forth; and the second Ferho is the King of Lig= ht =E2=80=94 MANO (Rex Lucis). He is the heavenly life and light, and olde= r than the Architect of heaven and earth.=E2=80=A0 The second life is Ish = Amon (Pleroma), the vase of election, containing the visible thought of the= Iordanus Maximus =E2=80=94 the type (or its intelligible reflection), the = prototype of the living water, who is the =E2=80=9Cspiritual Jordan.=E2=80= =9D=E2=80=A1 Third life, which is produced by the other two, is ABATUR (Ab,= the Parent or Father).=20=20 =20=20=20=20 This is the mysterious and decrepit =E2=80=9CAged of the Aged,=E2=80=9D = the =E2=80=9CAncient Senem sui obtegentem et grand=C3=A6vum mundi.=E2=80=9D= This latter third Life is the Father of the Demiurge Fetahil, the Creator= of the world, whom the Ophites call Ilda-Baoth,=C2=A7 though Fetahil is th= e only-begotten one, the reflection of the Father, Abatur, who begets him b= y looking into the =E2=80=9Cdark water=E2=80=9D;|| but the Lord Mano, =E2= =80=9Cthe Lord of loftiness, the Lord of all genii,=E2=80=9D is higher than= the Father, in this kabalistic Codex =E2=80=94 one is purely spiritual, th= e other material. So, for instance, while Abatur=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Conly b= egotten=E2=80=9D one is the genius Fetahil, the Creator of the physical wor= ld, Lord Mano, the =E2=80=9CLord of Celsitude,=E2=80=9D who is the son of H= im, who is =E2=80=9Cthe Father of all who preach the Gospel,=E2=80=9D produ= ces also an =E2=80=9Conly-begotten=E2=80=9D one, the Lord Lehdaio, =E2=80= =9Ca just Lord.=E2=80=9D He is the Christos, the anointed, who pours out t= he =E2=80=9Cgrace=E2=80=9D of the Invisible Jordan, the Spirit of the Highe= st Crown.=E2=80=9D ( Also: T Glos. p. 204 [MANO]) =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CIn its general sense, Isvara means =E2=80=9CLord =E2=80=98; but th= e Isvara of the mystic philosophers of India was understood precisely as th= e union and communion of men with the Deity of the Greek mystics.=20=20 =20 Isvara-Parasada means, literally, in Sanscrit, grace.=20=20 =20 Both of the =E2=80=9CMimansas,=E2=80=9D treating of the most abstruse quest= ions, explain Karma as merit, or the efficacy of works; Isvara-Parasada, = as grace; and Sradha, as faith. =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D I U II 592 =20 =20 =20 >From KARMIC VISIONS: =20 =E2=80=9CHe is suddenly transported into what looks a fairylike Hall, li= t with most glowing lights and built of materials, the like of which he had= never seen before. He perceives the heirs and descendants of all the monar= chs of the globe gathered in that Hall in one happy family. They wear no lo= nger the insignia of royalty, but, as he seems to know, those who are the r= eigning Princes, reign by virtue of their personal merits. It is the greatn= ess of heart, the nobility of character, their superior qualities of observ= ation, wisdom, love of Truth and Justice, that have raised them to the dign= ity of heirs to the Thrones, of Kings and Queens.=20 The crowns, by authority and the grace of God, have been thrown off, and th= ey now rule by =E2=80=9Cthe grace of divine humanity,=E2=80=9D chosen unani= mously by recognition of their fitness to rule, and the reverential love of= their voluntary subjects. =20=20=20=20 All around seems strangely changed. Ambition, grasping greediness or env= y=E2=80=94miscalled Patriotism=E2=80=94exist no longer. Cruel selfishness h= as made room for just altruism, and cold indifference to the wants of the m= illions no longer finds favour in the sight of the favoured few. =E2=80=9C HPB Art I 394-5 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CMarcion, who recognized no other Gospels than a few Epistles of= Paul, who rejected totally the anthropomorphism of the Old Testament, and = drew a distinct line of demarcation between the old Judaism and Christianit= y, viewed Jesus neither as a King, Messiah of the Jews, nor the son of Davi= d, who was in any way connected with the law or prophets,=20 =E2=80=9Cbut a divine being sent to reveal to man a spiritual religion, who= lly new, and a God of goodness and grace hitherto unknown.=E2=80=9D=20=20 I U II 192 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CKarma thus, is simply action, a concatenation of causes and eff= ects. That which adjusts each effect to its direct cause; that which guides= invisibly and as unerringly these effects to choose, as the field of their= operation, the right person in the right place, is what we call Karmic Law= .=20 =20=20=20=20 What shall we call it the hand of providence?=20 We cannot do so, especially in Christian lands, because the term has been c= onnected with, and interpreted theologically as, the foresight and personal= design of a personal god;=20 and because in the active laws of Karma=E2=80=94absolute Equity=E2=80=94bas= ed on the Universal Harmony, there is neither foresight nor desire; and bec= ause again, it is our own actions, thoughts, and deeds which guide that law= , instead of being guided by it. =E2=80=9CFor whatsoever a man soweth, that= shall he also reap=E2=80=9D [Gal. vi, 7].=20 It is only a very unphilosophical and illogical theology which can speak in= one breath of free will, and grace or damnation being preordained to every= human from (?) eternity, as though eternity could have a beginning to star= t from!=20 But this question would lead us too far into metaphysical disquisitions.=20 Suffice it to say that Karma leads us to rebirth, and that rebirth generate= s new Karma while working off the old, Sa=C3=B1chita Karma. Both are indiss= olubly bound up, one in the other. Let us get rid of Karma, if we would get= rid of the miseries of rebirths or=E2=80=94 REINCARNATION. =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D B C W XI p. 144-5 THOUGHTS ON KARMA & REINCARNATION HPB =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CWISDOM RELIGION. The one religion which underlies all the now-e= xisting creeds.=20 That =E2=80=9Cfaith=E2=80=9D which, being primordial, and revealed directly= to human kind by their progenitors and informing EGOS (though the Church r= egards them as the =E2=80=9Cfallen angels=E2=80=9D), required no =E2=80=9Cg= race=E2=80=9D, nor blind faith to believe, for it was knowledge. (See =E2= =80=9CGupta Vidy=C3=A2=E2=80=9D, Hidden Knowledge.)=20 It is on this Wisdom Religion that Theosophy is based.=E2=80=9D T Glos 371-2 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CMillions of people who have never heard of reincarnation and even = those who believe in it, live and die in absolute ignorance of who they wer= e in their former incarnations=E2=80=94and they are not a bit the worse for= that. Those whose spirit is open to the great truths, those who understand= absolute justice and reject every doctrine based on favoritism or personal= grace will fully understand what we mean.=20 =20 For the immortal soul this is nothing but justice.=20 =20 That cast-off existence is for it but a page torn out of the great book of = life before the pages are numbered, and the SOUL suffers no more from it th= an a saint in ecstasy would suffer because he had lost all recollection of = one wretched day among the 20,000 days that he has passed on earth.=20 =20 On the contrary, had he retained that recollection, it would have been enou= gh to prevent him from ever feeling happy. Only one drop of gall is enough = to make the water bitter in the largest vessel. And after all, the doctrine= teaches us that these cases of total annihilation of a personality are ext= remely rare. (See Fragment VI, The Theosophist, Vol. IV, March 1883, p. 134). B C W V 4-5 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CThe correspondent=E2=80=99s question as to =E2=80=9Chow the rec= ent teachings of` Occult Science really originated,=E2=80=9D is easily answ= ered.=20 =20=20=20=20 A crisis had arrived in which it was absolutely necessary to bring withi= n reach of our generation the Esoteric Doctrine of the eternal cycles. Reli= gion, both in the West and East, had long been smothering beneath the dust = heaps of Sectarianism and enfranchised Science. For lack of` any scientific= religious concept, Science was giving Religion the coup-de-gr=C3=A2ce with= the iron bar of Materialism.=20 =20=20=20=20 To crown the disorder, the phantom-world of Hades, or Kama-loka, had bur= st in a muddy torrent into ten thousand s=C3=A9ance-rooms, and created most= misleading notions of man=E2=80=99s post-mortem state.=20 =20=20=20=20 Nothing but a few fundamental tenets from the Esoteric philosophy, sketc= hed in broad outlines by such a clear and brilliant writer as Mr. Sinnett = =E2=80=9C B C W X 153 =20 =20 =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CThe Society was founded to become the Brotherhood of Humanity= =E2=80=94a centre, philosophical and religious, common to all=E2=80=94not a= s a propaganda for Buddhism merely. Its first steps were directed toward th= e same great aim that =C3=89. Burnouf ascribes to Buddha Sakyamuni, who =E2= =80=9Copened his church to all men, without distinction of origin, caste, n= ation, colour, or sex=E2=80=9D (Vide Art. I in the Rules of the T.S.), addi= ng, =E2=80=9CMy law is a law of Grace for all.=E2=80=9D In the same way the= Theosophical Society is open to all, without distinction of =E2=80=9Corigi= n, caste, nation, colour, or sex,=E2=80=9D and what is more=E2=80=94of cree= d.=E2=80=9D B C W X 65 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CAnother proof that Paul belonged to the circle of the =E2=80=9C= Initiates=E2=80=9D lies in the following fact. The apostle had his head sho= rn at Cenchreae (where Lucius Apuleius was initiated) because =E2=80=9Che h= ad a vow.=E2=80=9D The Nazars=E2=80=93=E2=80=93or set apart=E2=80=93=E2=80= =93as we see in the Jewish Scriptures, had to cut their hair which they wor= e long, and which =E2=80=9Cno razor touched=E2=80=9D at any other time, and= sacrifice it on the altar of initiation. And the Nazars were a class of Ch= aldaean Theurgists [or Initiates].=E2=80=A0 =20=20=20=20 It is shown in Isis Unveiled that Jesus belonged to this class. =20=20=20=20 Paul declares that: =E2=80=9CAccording to the grace of God which is giv= en unto me, as a wise master-builder, I have laid the foundation.=E2=80=9D = (I Corinth. iii, 10.) =20=20=20=20 The expression, master-builder, used only once in the whole Bible, and = by Paul, may be considered as a whole revelation. In the Mysteries, the thi= rd part of the sacred rites was called epopteia, or revelation, reception i= nto the secrets. In substance it means [the highest stage of clairvoyance= =E2=80=93=E2=80=93the divine] . . . but the real significance of the word i= s =E2=80=9Coverseeing,=E2=80=9D from =C3=90BJ@:"4=E2=80=93=E2=80=93 =E2=80= =9CI see myself.=E2=80=9D [In Sanskrit the root ap had the same meaning ori= ginally, though now it is understood as meaning =E2=80=9Cto obtain.=E2=80= =9D]=E2=80=A1 B C W XIV 123 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CTherefore, with the Kabalists it was a like symbol. =E2=80=9CBird= =E2=80=9D was a Chaldean, and has become a Hebrew synonym and symbol for An= gel, a Soul, a Spirit, or Deva; and the =E2=80=9CBird=E2=80=99s Nest=E2=80= =9D was with both Heaven, and is God=E2=80=99s bosom in the Zohar. The perf= ect Messiah enters Eden =E2=80=9Cinto that place which is called the Bird= =E2=80=99s Nest=E2=80=9D (Zohar, ii., 8b). =E2=80=A6 =20 =E2=80=9CLike a bird that is flying from its nest, and that is the Soul fro= m which the Shekeenah (divine wisdom or grace) does not move away=E2=80=9D = (Zohar, iii., 278a; Myer=E2=80=99s Qabbalah, 217). =E2=80=9CThe Nest of the= eternal Bird, the flutter of whose wings produces life, is boundless space= ,=E2=80=9D says the Commentary, meaning Hansa, the bird of Wisdom. =20 It is Adam Kadmon who is the (Sephirothal) tree, and it is he who becom= es the =E2=80=9CTree of knowledge of good and evil =E2=80=9C esoterically. = And that =E2=80=9Ctree hath around it seven columns (seven pillars) of the = world, or Rectores=E2=80=9D; the same =E2=80=9CProgenitors=E2=80=9D or =E2= =80=9CSephiroth=E2=80=9D again =E2=80=9Coperating through the respective or= ders of Angels in the spheres of the seven planets,=E2=80=9D etc., one of w= hich orders begets giants (Nephilim) on Earth. S D II 292-3 =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9Che early Hebrews following in the steps of the Oriental philos= ophy=E2=80=94Chaldean, Persian, Hindu, Arabic, etc. Their Primal Cause was = designated at first =E2=80=9Cby the triadic Shadda=C3=AF, the (triune) Almi= ghty, subsequently by the Tetragrammaton, YHVH, symbol of the Past, Present= , and Future,=E2=80=9D and, let us add, of=20 =20=20=20=20=20 The eternal Is, or the I AM. Moreover, in the Kabala the name YHVH (or = Jehovah) expresses a He and a She, male and female, two in one, or Hokhmah = and Binah, and his, or rather their Shekinah or synthesizing spirit (grace)= , which makes again of the Duad a Triad.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 This is demonstrated in the Jewish Liturgy for Pentecost, and the praye= r, =E2=80=9CIn the name of Unity, of the Holy and Blessed H=C3=BB (He), and= His Shekinah, the Hidden and Concealed H=C3=BB, blessed be YHVH (the Quate= rnary) for ever.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CH=C3=BB is said to be masculine and YAH = feminine, together they make the i.e., one YHVH. One, but of a male-female= nature.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 The Shekinah is always considered in the Qabbalah as feminine=E2=80=9D = (p. 175). And so it is considered in the exoteric Pur=C3=A2nas, for Shekina= h is no more than Sakti=E2=80=94the female double or lining of any god, in = such case. And so it was with the early Christians whose Holy Spirit was fe= minine, as Sophia was with the Gnostics. But in the transcendental Chaldean= Kabala or =E2=80=9CBook of Numbers,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CShekinah=E2=80=9D is= sexless, and the purest abstraction, a State, like Nirvana, not subject or= object or anything except an absolute PRESENCE. =20=20=20=20=20 Thus it is only in the anthromorphised systems (such as the Kabala has now = greatly become) that Shekinah-Sakti is feminine. As such she becomes the Du= ad of Pythagoras, the two straight lines of the symbol that can never meet,= which therefore form no geometrical figure and the symbol of matter. Out = of this Duad, when united in one basic line of the triangle on the lower pl= ane (the upper Triangle of the Sephirothal Tree), emerge the Elohim, or Dei= ty in Cosmic Nature, with the true Kabalists the lowest designation, transl= ated in the Bible =E2=80=9CGod=E2=80=9D (see the same work and page).* Out = of these issue the Scintillas. =20 The Scintillas are the =E2=80=9CSouls,=E2=80=9D and these Souls appear = in the three-fold form of Monads (units), atoms and gods=E2=80=94according = to our teaching. =E2=80=9CEvery atom becomes a visible complex unit (a mole= cule), and once attracted into the sphere of terrestial activity, the Monad= ic Essence, passing through the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms, be= comes man.=E2=80=9D (Esot. Catechism.)=20 =20=20=20=20=20 Again, =E2=80=9CGod, Monad, and Atom are the correspondences of Spirit,= Mind, and Body (Atma, Manas, and Sthula Sarira) in man.=E2=80=9D In their = septenary aggregation they are the =E2=80=9CHeavenly Man=E2=80=9D (see Kaba= la for the latter term); thus, terrestrial man is the provisional reflectio= n of the Heavenly. . . . =E2=80=9CThe Monads (Jivas) are the Souls of the A= toms, both are the fabric in which the Chohans (Dhyanis, gods) cloth themse= lves when a form is needed.=E2=80=9D (Esot. Cat.) =20=20=20=20=20 This relates to Cosmic and sub-planetary Monads, not to the Super-Cosmi= c Monas (the Pythagorean Monad) as called, in its synthetic character, by t= he Pantheistical Peripatetics.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 The Monads of the present dissertation are treated from the standpoint = of their individuality, as atomic Souls, before these atoms descend into pu= re terrestrial form. For this descent into concrete matter marks the medial= point of their own individual pilgrimage.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 Here, losing in the mineral kingdom their individuality, they begin to = ascend through the seven states of terrestrial evolution to that point wher= e a correspondence is firmly established between the human and Deva (divine= ) consciousness. At present, however, we are not concerned with their terre= strial metamorphoses and tribulations, but with their life and behaviour in= Space, on planes wherein the eye of the most intuitional chemist and physi= cist cannot reach them=E2=80=94unless, indeed, he develops in himself highl= y clairvoyant faculties.=E2=80=9D S D I 618-19 =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=9CIt is quite true that the origin of every religion is based on = the dual powers, male and female, of abstract Nature, but these in their tu= rn were the radiations or emanations of the sexless, infinite, absolute Pri= nciple, the only One to be worshipped in spirit and not with rites; whose i= mmutable laws no words of prayer or propitiation can change, and whose sunn= y or shadowy, beneficent or maleficent influence, grace or curse, under the= form of Karma, can be determined only by the actions=E2=80=94not by the em= pty supplications=E2=80=94of the devotee.=20 =20=20=20=20 This was the religion, the One Faith of the whole of primitive humanity, an= d was that of the =E2=80=9CSons of God,=E2=80=9D the B=E2=80=99ne Elohim of= old. This faith assured to its followers the full possession of transcende= ntal psychic powers, of the truly divine magic.=20 =20 Later on, when mankind fell, in the natural course of its evolution =E2=80= =9Cinto generation,=E2=80=9D i.e., into human creation and procreation, and= carrying down the subjective process of Nature from the plane of spiritual= ity to that of matter=E2=80=94made in its selfish and animal adoration of s= elf a God of the human organism, and worshipped self in this objective pers= onal Deity, then was black magic initiated.=20 =20 This magic or sorcery is based upon, springs from, and has the very life an= d soul of selfish impulse; and thus was gradually developed the idea of a p= ersonal God. The first =E2=80=9Cpillar of unhewn stone,=E2=80=9D the first = objective =E2=80=9Csign and witness to the Lord,=E2=80=9D creative, generat= ive, and the =E2=80=9CFather of man,=E2=80=9D was made to become the archet= ype and progenitor of the long series of male (vertical) and female (horizo= ntal) Deities, of pillars, and cones.=20 =20 Anthropomorphism in religion is the direct generator of and stimulus to the= exercise of black, left-hand magic. =20 And it was again merely a feeling of selfish national exclusiveness=E2=80= =94not even patriotism=E2=80=94of pride and self-glorification over all oth= er nations, that could lead an Isaiah to see a difference between the one l= iving God and the idols of the neighbouring nations.=20 =20 In the day of the great =E2=80=9Cchange,=E2=80=9D Karma, whether called per= sonal or impersonal Providence, will see no difference between those who se= t =E2=80=9Can altar [horizontal] to the Lord in the midst of the land of Eg= ypt, and a pillar [vertical] at the border thereof=E2=80=9D (Isaiah xix, 19= ), and they who =E2=80=9Cseek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to the= m that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards=E2=80=9D [Isaiah, xix, 3]= =E2=80=94for all this is human, hence devilish black magic. =20 It is then the latter magic, coupled with anthropomorphic worship, that = caused the =E2=80=9CGreat War=E2=80=9D and was the reason for the =E2=80=9C= Great Flood=E2=80=9D of Atlantis; for this reason also the Initiates=E2=80= =94those who had remained true to primeval Revelation=E2=80=94formed themse= lves into separate communities, keeping their magic or religious rites in t= he profoundest secrecy. The caste of the Br=C4=81hmanas, the descendants of= the =E2=80=9Cmind-born Rishis and Sons of Brahm=C4=81=E2=80=9D dates from = those days, as also do the =E2=80=9CMysteries.=E2=80=9D =20=20=20=20 Natural sciences, archaeology, theology, philosophy, all have been forced i= n The Secret Doctrine to give their evidence in support of the teachings he= rein again propounded.=20 =20 Vox audita perit: litera scripta manet. [Spoken words are lost, wri= tten words remain] =20 Published admissions cannot be made away with=E2=80=94even by an opponent: = they have been made good use of. Had I acted otherwise, The Secret Doctrine= , from the first chapter to the last, would have amounted to uncorroborated= personal affirmations. Scholars and some of the latest discoveries in vari= ous departments of science being brought to testify to what might have othe= rwise appeared to the average reader as the most preposterous hypotheses ba= sed upon unverified assertions, the rationality of these will be made clear= . Occult teaching will at last be examined in the light of science, physica= l as well as spiritual. =E2=80=9C B C W XIII 259 =20 =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CTrue, Magic has lost its name, and along with it its rights to rec= ognition. But its practice is in daily use; and its progeny, =E2=80=9Cmagne= tic influence,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cpower of oratory,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cirresi= stible fascination,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cwhole audiences subdued and held as t= hough under a spell,=E2=80=9D are terms recognized and used by all, general= ly meaningless though they now are. Its effects, however, are more determin= ed and definite among religious congregations such as the Shakers, the Negr= o Methodists, and Salvationists, who call it =E2=80=9Cthe action of the Hol= y Spirit=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cgrace.=E2=80=9D=20 =20 The real truth is that Magic is still in full sway amidst mankind, however = blind the latter to its silent presence and influence on its members, howev= er ignorant society may be, and remain, to its daily and hourly beneficent = and maleficent effects. The world is full of such unconscious magicians=E2= =80=93in politics as well as in daily life, in the Church as in the strongh= olds of Free-Thought. Most of those magicians are =E2=80=9Csorcerers=E2=80= =9D unhappily, not metaphorically but in sober reality, by reason of their = inherent selfishness, their revengeful natures, their envy and malice.=20 =20 The true student of Magic, well aware of the truth, looks on in pity, and, = if he be wise, keeps silent. Fore very effort made by him to remove the uni= versal cecity is only repaid with ingratitude, slander, and often curses, = which, unable to reach him, will react on those who wish him evil. Lies an= d calumny=E2=80=93the latter a teething lie, adding actual bites to empty h= armless falsehoods =E2=80=93become his lot, and thus the well-wisher= is soon torn to pieces, as a reward for his benevolent desire to enlighten= . =20 Enough has been given, it is believed, to show that the existence of a S= ecret Universal Doctrine, besides its practical methods of Magic, is no wil= d romance or fiction. The fact was known to the whole ancient world, and th= e knowledge of it has survived in the East, in India especially. And if the= re be such a Science, there must be naturally, somewhere, professors of it,= or Adepts. In any case it matters little whether the Guardians of the Sacr= ed Lore are regarded as living, actually existing men, or are viewed as myt= hs. It is their Philosophy that will have to stand or fall upon its own mer= its, apart from, and independent of any Adepts. For in the words of the wi= se Gamaliel, addressed by him to the Synedrion: =E2=80=9CIf this doctrine i= s false it will perish, and fall of itself; but if true, then=E2=80=93=E2= =80=93it cannot be destroyed.=E2=80=9D=20=20 B C W XIV 32-4 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20 Dallas =20 From dalval14@earthlink.net Sun Oct 02 14:44:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63135 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 21:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 21:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 21:44:27 -0000 Received: from [209.178.177.207] (helo=DALLAS) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMBcz-0005sq-9W; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:44:14 -0400 To: "AA-BNStudy" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:43:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c5c79a$5f87e640$cfb1b2d1@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793c438ef6264ac74d0aa21121e2e26639350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" Reply-To: Subject: RE: Pseudo-Theosophy versus Real Theosophy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573; y=marFTdbJVzygpcVupB2qSCz_1ITcrtWLCtZIAO8fOcSWJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 10/2/2005 1:08 PM Dear Gerry: RE: Pseudo-Theosophy versus Real Theosophy DTB If the term "Pseudo-Theosophy" sounds too condemnatory, I used it because those who might read / study/ learn from books or literature that has been "revised" or "re-expressed" by secondary levels of students (including myself therein of course) ought to be made aware in advance of any such changes. I do not inquire into the motives of those who introduced changes. Suffice that due NOTICE be made IN ADVANCE of them. Failing this, the evil head of AUTHORITY, arises. I deem it fair to say that when that occurs, the student is trying (consciously or unconsciously= ) to replace and substitute his / her understanding for that of the Teacher / Messenger whose duty it is /was to make the Ancient Wisdom available again for the current crop of inquirers as they reincarnate in these later centuries. Needless to add that if there is an "esoteric" content embodied in those "original teachings" it may be distorted by modifications -- and students, relying on that as a commencement, as a door-way, in these modern days to the SANATANA DHARMA (DHAMMO), may be misled. We have to ask for fairness for them.=20 HPB makes it plain, and so do all who honor and try to strictly "follow" he= r lead, that the original version of the Masters' Teachings (and this include= s the Buddha's) are the safest. Best wishes,=20 Dallas =20 SEE NOTES BELOW PLEASE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Original Message----- From: Gerald=20 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:36 PM To:=20 Subject: Psudo-Theosophy versus Real Theosophy <> GS I think that perhaps when you seek for validity in the written word, you are seeking in the wrong place, Dal. Vaidity is established in the heart, not in the head. =20 DTB <= > GS This TS "purpose" is adopted by the Pasadena branch as well. This is what I call the library function of the TSs, and it is a valid one. However, it should not over-ride the main purpose, that of establishing a universal brotherhood. And universal brotherhood will never be established so long as we keep pointing fingers and slinging mud at each other. DTB <> GS Yes, but any seeker for truth who studies hard enough will be able to know the original from the psudo and will soon sift the chaff from the wheat. I did. Calling the chaff "lies" does not help the seeker, who would prefer to discover for herself, nor does it help bring about brotherhood. =20 DTB <> GS Calling pseudo-theosophy "lies" or even "distortions" shows a bias that is a form of supervision, Dal. When you guide the seeking of a seeker this way, you are supervising that seeker and attemtping to control/direct her growth. Lets call psudo-theosophy what it is, an interpretation of the original writings, and quit projecting our own feelings and biases onto it. -------------------------------------------------- DTB Agreed so long as this is made plain in advance. ------------------------------------------------- =20 DTB << BROTHERHOOD is for me, an every-day attitude. It is based on the concept of the immortality of the inner Monad. >> GS As long as one maintains a view wherein the original writings are True Theosophy and everything else is Psudo-Theosophy, there can be no brotherhood and saying so is hypocritical. This kind of brotherhood is one of agreement -- it says, "Agree with me and we are brothers, disagree and you are a liar and a Black Brother." This is not what HPB envisioned by her "universal brotherhood" and yet I see it going on today in her Theosophy. ------------------------------------------------------------------- DTB "Brotherhood" does not include condoning pretense. Secondary students [having knowledge limited to this incarnation alone] cannot pretend to silently (and secretly) amend the original teachings without being exposed for that kind of surreptitious alteration, and incidentally exposing themselves as apparently posing to be more "knowledgeable" than the Great Teachers who are IMMORTALS. ----------------------------------------=20 =20 DTB <> GS Such sharing cannot be expected to reach agrreements. Different interpretation will alway appear, and it is at that time when real universal brotherhood can show itself, or hypocracy; one or the other. If we are tolerant and understanding in the face of opposing viewpoints, then we are practicing brotherhood. \\ ----------------------------------------------------- DTB To me hypocrisy is concealment and pretense. ------------------------------------------------------ Jerry S. =20 --- You are currently subscribed to theos-l as: dalval14@earthlink.net List URL - http://list.vnet.net/?enter=3Dtheos-l To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-theos-l-56348C@list.vnet.net From krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br Sun Oct 02 14:55:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com.br X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82981 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 21:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 21:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.brturbo.com.br) (200.199.201.163) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 21:55:04 -0000 Received: from SUPERCORDE (unknown [200.193.25.233]) by smtp1.brturbo.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 02F4D340A for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:55:01 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <000601c5c79c$2a40e9d0$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> To: References: <007a01c5c50e$1a03d540$230110ac@gateway.2wire.net> <001501c5c534$69553410$152ca8c0@captain70e702a> <005101c5c5ef$a4745470$0501010a@SUPERCORDE> <009c01c5c792$0d215c90$152ca8c0@captain70e702a> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:56:37 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 200.199.201.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "krishtar" Subject: Re: Theos-World Melvy - new to group X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=213301758; y=Pu4r4NuWukyB5WXOAEnz36SORdoRIhyJzJxpdAHhMOx1gtoNWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Hi, You got the point, the info you gave was what I was hoping for, thanks. ..because his books here are very very rare, unless you import them and the little I read from him also caused me a good first impression. I got surprised when you said thet G P was a tulku, or, those I understand to be reincarnating sucessors that reveal certain knowledgement from the earlier life, right? Gonna read what you posted here carefully and will comment later becuse I am busy at this moment. Thanks for the kind attention in trying to understand my rusty english... Krishtar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Reitemeyer" To: Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Melvy - new to group > Hi Krishatar, I would like to answer your > question, but obviously I do not undertstand > it well. > What do you ask me exactly? > I mean what I have written: That he was a > Tibetan tulku within the theosophical Dzyan > succession. > That fact is no secret, but was revealed some > years ago by a close chela of him (the late > W. Emmett Small), who gave some documents > about that topic to Dick Slusser, who in turn > published it in his independent High Country > Theosophist. Read his article "The Mystery of > Gottfried de Purucker": > > http://www.hctheosophist.com/archives/pdf/hc199107.pdf > > Compare also this article, which hints to the > tulku power of William Judge, another > successor of HPB within the theosophical > Tibetan Dzyan School: > http://www.hctheosophist.com/archives/pdf/hc199607.pdf > > About another Tibetan tulku - Katherine > Tingley, the third leader of the Theosophical > Movement and the original TS in Point Loma - > not much is published, except some hints of > her successor GdeP in his "Dialogues". > Obviously the theosophists of today deserve > not sich higher theosophy.... (!?) > > Do not be much disturbed by black magic > attacks on Purucker in "theosophical" > magazines. It comes from sources which wanted > and still want to change the TS into a "bogus > TS" (HPB's words of warning in her ES > instructions). They hate the higher "Mahayana > Theosophy" and deny the existence of > enlightened beings and bodhisattvas. This > "Hinayana Theosophists" (if ever that) want > to make the world believe that only HPB was > in contact with and trained by Masters and > spread disinformation, gossip and slander to > destroy the spiritual energy among > theosophists - to replace it with psychic > power of make believe and distrust against > the spiritual power. > > They misinterpret HPB with their dead letter > brain-minded pseudo-logic and prefer stones > instead of bread. These strange theosophists > not only deny the existence of those beings > and that HPB taught it and knew them and > announced them, they also deny that HPB wrote > a third and fourth volume of her major work > The Secret Doctrine, although HPB for herself > affirmed it in plain words in one letter to a > theosophists, they also present a wrong count > of the evolution of the subraces, etc. etc. > Do not be fooled. They want your SOUL. > Develop the force within you to be well > protected. > > Hope this helps. Otherwise please specify > your question in plain words as English is > just my second language. > > Best > Frank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "krishtar" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: Theos-World Melvy - new to group > > > Hi Friend ! > What did you mean with G de Purucker being a > tibetan Tulku? > It a new thing to me, can you please enlarge > this comments?I am interested > in what you can say about it. > > Tks > > Krtishtar > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Reitemeyer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: Theos-World Melvy - new to group > > >> Tashi deleks, Melvy, too and welcome to >> this >> group! >> >> It may interest you that theosophical >> leader >> and Tibetan tulku Gottfried de Purucker was >> HPB's esoteric successor in the Tibetan >> Dzyan >> guruparampara and published some important >> works, which are authentic and commentaries >> of HPB's works: his "Esoteric Tradition", >> "Fundamentals" and "Studies in Occult >> Philosophy". >> >> The importance and inner worth of his books >> is that they are - otherwise than many >> books >> of other authors which claim to be have >> trained by the same or even higher Masters >> as >> HPB - original and true. >> You should proof it for yourself. It can >> save >> you much life-time! >> >> Namaste! >> >> Frank >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Melvy" >> >> To: "White Lotus Group" >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:54 PM >> Subject: Theos-World Melvy - new to group >> >> >> Tashi deley folks! >> >> (Tibetan gesture that is said to greet >> another, "I honor the greatness in you") >> >> >> >> My name is Melvy Murguia, live in West >> Hollywood, CA, and fortunate to have been >> guided to Theosophy. I am new to the >> works >> of Blavatsky, and currently reading Isis >> Unveiled. >> >> >> >> My purpose for being on this group is to >> learn, be curious and share. >> >> Thank you for the forum and opportunity to >> join. >> >> Be well, >> >> Melvy >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have >> been >> removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> theos-talk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > > > > From dalval14@earthlink.net Sun Oct 02 15:38:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23537 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 22:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2005 22:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 22:38:51 -0000 Received: from [209.178.170.84] (helo=DALLAS) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EMCTl-0007kG-Nx; Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:38:49 -0400 To: "AA-BNStudy" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:38:16 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c5c7a2$03e2c5f0$cfb1b2d1@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79037ecabe54864648d6fc9e3c980ddb44350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" Reply-To: Subject: RE: The Resurgence of Pseudo-Theosophy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573; y=WJg_mtPtIUykJhd9gV1TMsQbsgR3GlIIZas4g1SoKPv9UQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 10/2/2005 2:51 PM Dear Zakk: You write: =93------I have not personally and physically entered any theosophy=20 lodge and therefore do not have the experience in which to speak of on this subject.=20 =A0 DTB=A0=A0=A0=A0 In this one fact is safety for all students. The opinions o= f =93intermediaries=94 or =93interpreters=94 are excluded. =A0 ----I would ask a question of curiosity :=A0 If I was to go to a=20 lodge and present a perspective on some of the material,=20 would I be "kicked out" or similar response? I feel free in=20 expecting an honest answer as that is your nature.-------=93 ------------------------------------------- DTB As a matter of procedure I would first of all contact some member or associate of any Lodge you desired to make a presentation to, and say exactly what you write here. Have an outline ready to show and discuss.=20 In my experience I find it easier to start with several questions to find out the methods and ways in which such enquiries are welcome. Some Lodges have fixed agendas they follow during =93Study-class=94 periods= , and others are more relaxed and may welcome serious questions, (but not in a challenging form, since this is a non-contentious, method of study, among brother students usually -- we are all =93Truth-seekers.=94 ). Individuals may be met who can guide you and help when you first approach them. Each Lodge usually conducts several study classes during the month, and individual students are usually interested in discussing the fundamentals and basics of the philosophy seriously. Candor and a desire to exchange views, questions, and difficulties seems always to be welcome at any Branch of the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY and among al= l true students of THEOSOPHY anywhere. Tact and common sense always rule such opportunities, and all can benefit from them.=20 =A0 ----------------------------------------- Best wishes, Dallas =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Original Message----- From: Zakk=20 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:37 PM To:=20 Subject: Re: The Resurgence of Pseudo-Theosophy DTB=A0=A0=A0=A0 --- a LIE, if an expression is deliberately made to conceal= or distort TRUTH. =A0 =A0 =A0 ZD=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 One truth can overlap another in which can conceal or = distort another truth. A lie can be seen as the intentional changing / altering / o= f a truth already known or presenting a fabrication as a truth. =A0 =A0 =A0 DTB=A0=A0=A0=A0 Truths INTERLOCK and support one another.=A0 No confusion i= f absolutely TRUE. =A0 ---------------------------------------- ZD ----Truths do interlock and support one another. If there was=20 no confusion, or lack of clarity, in perceiving that which is absolutely TRUE, no interpretations would exist, no opinions. It is true that a blue shirt is not blue.=20 Would anyone find this confusing?=20 Or is it impossible for one to find it confusing because it is a truth? A blue shirt appears to be blue because there is no blue in it. The blue light is reflected to the eye while the other colors are absorbed. The shirt is all colors except blue.=20 Recognition of truths are dependent on perspectives, not dependent on a truth being a truth. The truth that the shirt is seen to be blue can overla= p the truth that the shirt is all colors but blue. The interlocking and support of the different truths must be seen in order to be realized.------ =A0 ----------------------------------------------- DTB There are those who are =93color-blind,=94 and there are those who bein= g acquainted with the physics of light and its many levels of subtle vibrations can make the observations and deductions you have done here. = =20 Such statements concerning the nature of average observers, and in addition= , concerning their perception and the use of certain correlative vibratory aspects of other lights (that may lead to apparent confusion to an observe= r UNTIL they are explained, as you do) =96 then, a freedom of understanding unlocks difficulties.=20 The truth of the matter is that light vibrations are found in practice to either complement or interfere with one another. A refined aspect of such knowledge enables the dyer in final practice to achieve the refinements desired for the average eye. Thus the paradoxes are resolved by the use of = a deeper and more detailed knowledge of CAUSES and ENERGIES.=20 Thinking this over, as I see it, one might say: This illustrates THEOSOPHY =96 its =93hidden aspects=94 are gradually revealed to those who make an a= dequate study of the details already given. THERE ARE NO SHORT-CUTS.=20 May I use this as an illustration? In mankind, we are dealing with a being who, as HPB says in the S D : =93It now becomes plain that there exists in Nature a triple evolutionary scheme, for the formation of the three periodical Upadhis [forms / realms] = ; or rather three separate schemes of evolution, which in our system are inextricably interwoven and interblended at every point. These are the Monadic (or spiritual), the intellectual, and the physical evolutions.=20 These three are the finite aspects or the reflections on the field of Cosmi= c Illusion of ATMA, the seventh, the ONE REALITY.=20 1. The Monadic is, as the name implies, concerned with the growth and development into still higher phases of activity of the Monad in conjunctio= n with:=97 2. The Intellectual, represented by the Manasa-Dhyanis (the Solar Devas, or the Agnishwatta Pitris) the "givers of intelligence and consciousness" [mind] * to man and:=97 3. The Physical, represented by the Chhayas [SHADOWS -- electro-magnetic field of forms] of the lunar Pitris, round which Nature has concreted the present physical body.=20 This body serves as the vehicle for the "growth" (to use a misleading word) and the transformations through Manas and=97owing to the accumulation of experiences=97of the finite into the INFINITE, of the transient into the Eternal and Absolute.=20 Each of these three systems has its own laws, and is ruled and guided by different sets of the highest Dhyanis or "Logoi." Each is represented in th= e constitution of man, the Microcosm of the great Macrocosm; and IT IS THE UNION OF THESE THREE STREAMS IN HIM WHICH MAKES HIM THE COMPLEX BEING HE NO= W IS.=20 "Nature," the physical evolutionary Power, could never evolve intelligence unaided=97she can only create "senseless forms," as will be seen in our "ANTHROPOGENESIS."=20 The "Lunar Monads" cannot progress, for they have not yet had sufficient touch with the forms created by "Nature" to allow of their accumulating experiences through its means.=20 It is the Manasa-Dhyanis [Lords of Mind] who fill up the gap, and they represent the evolutionary power of Intelligence and Mind, the link between "Spirit" and "Matter"=97in this Round.=20 Also it must be borne in mind that the Monads which enter upon the evolutionary cycle upon Globe A, in the first Round, are in very different stages of development. Hence the matter becomes somewhat complicated. . . . Let us recapitulate.=20 The most developed Monads (the lunar) reach the human germ-stage in the first Round; become terrestrial, though very ethereal human beings towards the end of the Third Round, remaining on it (the globe) through the "obscuration" period as the seed for future mankind in the Fourth Round, an= d thus become the pioneers of Humani