From dalval14@earthlink.net Tue Jun 01 06:27:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34876 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 13:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 13:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 13:27:41 -0000 Received: from pool0018.cvx39-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.36.18] helo=DALLAS) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BV9H2-0002fA-00; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:25:49 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:24:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c447db$ed426d60$1224f4d8@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796964778e53149b7779b25040d84eee6f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.227 From: "Dallas TenBroeck" Subject: RE: [bn-study] Re: ATMA -- BUDHI -- MASTERS OF WISDOM -- ADEPTS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573 X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 May 31 2004 Re: ATMA -- BUDHI -- MASTERS OF WISDOM=20=20 Dear Gopi: Thank you, but, I hope I grasp your problem.=20=20 May we look a this together? As a student of THEOSOPHY I have found in its literature that which to me explains this. Here is a summary: I keep reminding myself that at best our embodied brain-mind in its highest aspect seeks wisdom as an iron filing seeks a magnet. The Magnet, while passive itself, issues a surrounding force (magnetism) that distinguishes the iron filings from sand, dust, water, etc...and other aspects of matter not affected by "magnetic force."=20 I am of the opinion that any real Truth is always attracted to and sustained by the great TRUTH (MAHA-BUDDHI). This is an aspect of the ONE, the UNIVERSAL SELF. It relates the enormous varieties of beings (great and small, distant and infinitely present) and, all experiences of individualized INTELLIGENCE.=20=20 One might say that the "quality" of CONSCIOUSNESS and AWARENESS, when focussed in the smallest LIFE-BEING (a MONAD) [and this concept visualizes something far smaller that the smallest sub-atomic particles so far discovered] provides that "ray" of the supreme SPIRIT, with a basis for perception, sensation and growth. I also think it is fair to add. The concept when expanded makes our whole Universe a vast collection of many spiritual beings, all are living under many aspects of the ONE LAW, and further their continuous movement defines what we call "matter." I believe we can say we are confronted with a real problem in understanding.=20=20 1 SPIRIT envelops everything and it is limitless (includes both "great and small"). Since it is Universal it is also CONSCIOUSNESS (as potential awareness and as actual awareness when individualized). 2. MOVEMENT implies intelligent and regulated processes, so that every unit has it own living space in the vast WHOLE.=20=20 Therefore LAW and KARMA form an essential part of all individualized SPIRITUAL SELVES. In this we may also see the great poles of the "OPPOSITES" -- and their mutual attraction and repulsion.=20=20 What is called GRAVITY is a manifestation of this eternal balance, and it establishes the relations of those "accumulations of skandhas" that make up all FORMS on any plane or level of being.=20=20 At the center of every "form" (or 'being') is a "Ray" of the ONE. The aggregation by mutual attraction of such units under the guidance of a more experienced UNIT, brings a form into existence. From that springs KAMA or attraction. And this, when translated into human psychological terms is found designated "desires, passions and emotional urges." Thus KAMA and MANAS form the bridge between SPIRIT AND MATTER. Surrounding ever Monad is an atmosphere that reflects its own condition in this eternal conflict between the supreme freedom of WISDOM and the selfish limits of ignorance and isolation. The Buddhi-Manas in every human is ultimately restored to the position of an agent of Nature and of the ABSOLUTE. We can secure this information by a careful reading of the SECRET DOCTRINE and the MAHATMA LETTERS=20 I we look on these as expressed in the BHAGAVAD GITA we that the three GUNAS (SATTVA--Spirit, TAMAS -- inert forms of 'matter;' and RAJAS -- activity under law and manasic guidance I think we may detect the same philosophical basis expressed in moral terms of personal conduct. Arjuna (as Kama-Manas) is continuously advised by his mentor, Sri Krishna (ATMA-BUDDHI, or our Higher Self), to perform all necessary actions (dharma) without concern in their results. 3 MATTER is only a maya, because the monads as life-atoms continually change positions and come and go under the laws of individual attraction and sympathy. They form an appearance which envelops the individualized consciousness and which therefore may be designated "MIND."=20=20 Kosmically, this is Universal Mind or MAHAT. Individually, it is MANAS -- and this Manas has two aspects -- the "lower" bound to Kama or personal desires (called Kama-Manas), and the "higher aspect" attached to Buddhi, and, called the Wise Mind, or Buddhi-Manas. All "Monads" which have attained the 'Manasic stage,' have strongly bonded both aspects of the SPIRITUAL and the MATERIAL into an intelligent, thinking entity composed of "monads of lesser experience." It is their duty to impress these "lesser Monads" with the universal, and impersonal rules and laws of righteous livelihood. We find Gautama the Buddha expressing this in Book Eight in THE LIGHT OF ASIA. We might say (I think) that the whole of Mankind, and each individual human is an example of this 'Manasic linked to Kama' stage. This individualized Manasic Unit (with its attendant accumulation of "skandhas") then, progresses incarnation after incarnation. The objective of such a protracted course is to spiritualize the surrounding Skandhas, and restore the divisive influence of Kama to a regulated condition where it assists (and does not obstruct by selfishness and isolation) the whole of individual and Cosmic evolution. It is the continual creation of "Cosmos" out of "Chaos." The process is also called "Nitya pralaya." ( S D I 371, TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE. Pp. 133-36 ) If successful, the individualized Monad becomes a Mahatma -- a Great Soul. And finally a BUDDHA -- or ONE who embodies the Universal Law and has achieved "Keval Gnyan" or Universal Wisdom and Universal Vision, so that KARMA is always perceived at its many tasks and is intelligently assisted..=20 The accumulation relates to the work in the entire Universe and our Earth of many progressive groups of associated "skandhas." They are the Manasa-Putras, whose collectivity on a Kosmic scale is the UNIVERSAL MIND. (Trans p. 135) What re they? Monads ( ATMA-BUDDHIC MONADS) and the SECRET DOCTRINE states they are imperishable. They, individually, are progressing towards their own independent stage of becoming an independent Manasa.. I am of the opinion the experience of the profound long "sleep" of a Pralaya, or even a Maha Pralaya does not obliterate them. [That is a period of time when all manifestation returns to the ONE ABSOLUTENESS.] This is (as I understand it) according to the teachings of THEOSOPHY [Sanatana Dharma]. Look at it as the accumulated individual Karma that is established by any MONAD for either "good or ill." Until the final balance is settled there will be always an existence for it on the highest planes of being. As I see it such a "final balance " never occurs. KARMA is indestructible and gives the eternal motive power (the ONE FORCE) for all manifestation. It unites the polar extremes of SPIRIT and PRIMORDIAL MATTER. PRIMORDIAL PURE MATTER is called Mulaprakriti ( ROOT MATTER) and also MAHABUDDHI (Great Wisdom) in Theosophical technical philosophy. This is altogether getting very deep. Tell me if you think there is merit in this? Best wishes, Dallas PS HPB says: [ ISIS UNVEILED AND THE VISHISHTADVAITA ] "A sceptic in my early life, I had sought and obtained through the Masters the full assurance of the existence of a principle (not Personal God)--"a boundless and fathomless ocean" of which my "soul" was a drop.=20 Like the Adwaitis, I made no difference between my Seventh Principle and the Universal Spirit, or Parabrahm; nor did, or do I believe in an individual, segregated spirit in me, as a something apart from the whole. And see, for proof, my remark about the "omnipotence of man's immortal spirit"--which would be a logical absurdity upon any theory of egoistic separation.=20 My mistake was that throughout the whole work I indifferently employed the words Parabrahm and God to express the same idea: a venial sin surely, when one knows that the English language is so poor that even at this moment I am using the Sanskrit word to express one idea and the English one for the other!=20 Whether it be orthodox Adwaita or not, I maintain as an occultist, on the authority of the Secret Doctrine, that though merged entirely into Parabrahm, man's spirit while not individual per se, yet preserves its distinct individuality in Paranirvana, owing to the accumulation in it of the aggregates, or skandhas that have survived after each death, from the highest faculties of the Manas. The most spiritual--i.e., the highest and divinest aspirations of every personality follow Buddhi and the Seventh Principle into Devachan (Swarga) after the death of each personality along the line of rebirths, and become part and parcel of the Monad. The personality fades out, disappearing before the occurrence of the evolution of the new personality (rebirth) out of Devachan: but the individuality of the spirit-soul [dear, dear, what can be made out of this English!] is preserved to the end of the great cycle (Maha-Manwantara) when each Ego enters Paranirvana, or is merged in Parabrahm.=20 To our talpatic, or mole-like, comprehension the human spirit is then lost in the One Spirit, as the drop of water thrown into the sea can no longer be traced out and recovered. But de facto it is not so in the world of immaterial thought.=20 This latter stands in relation to the human dynamic thought, as, say, the visual power through the strongest conceivable microscope would to the sight of a half-blind man: and yet even this is a most insufficient simile--the difference is "inexpressible in terms of foot-pounds."=20 That such Parabrahmic and Paranirvanic "spirits," or units, have and must preserve their divine (not human) individualities, is shown in the fact that, however long the "night of Brahma" or even the Universal Pralaya (not the local Pralaya affecting some one group of worlds) yet, when it ends, the same individual Divine Monad resumes its majestic path of evolution, though on a higher, hundredfold perfected and more pure chain of earths than before, and brings with it all the essence of compound spiritualities from its previous countless rebirths.=20 Spiral evolution, it must be remembered, is dual, and the path of spirituality turns, corkscrew-like, within and around physical, semi-physical, and supra-physical evolution. But I am being tempted into details which had best be left for the full consideration which their importance merits to my forthcoming work, the Secret Doctrine.=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 H. P. BLAVATSKY [HPB Artiocles, III 265-6] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 -----Original Message----- From: Gopi C Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:46 AM To: study@blavatsky.net Subject: [bn-study] Re: ATMA -- BUDHI -- MASTERS OF WISDOM -- ADEPTS Dear Dallas, That is precisely the point. Your quotation: "BUDHI IS THE IMMORTAL EGO. Budhi cannot be described. It is feeling, the accumulated experiences--all our experience is in feeling." ------------------------------------------------ In this the words 'accumulated experiences' are puzzling to me. Accumulated means to me there must be beginning. That is what exactly I was requesting you to elaborate for me. This then agrees with what I saw, Budhi is eternal not 'our mind bound' where my mind is transient. I am still confused with the word 'accumulate'! Gopi From eldon@theosophy.com Tue Jun 01 07:24:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: eldon@theosophy.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6958 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 14:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 14:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 14:20:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 14:20:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:20:33 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 977 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Eldon B Tucker" X-Originating-IP: 65.54.98.18 Subject: Geoffrey Farthing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=5654132 X-Yahoo-Profile: eldon_tucker I just received the following message: >From: Geoffrey Farthing [mailto:gaf@fetcham36.fsnet.co.uk] >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:41 AM >Subject: Geoffrey Farthing The National President of the Theosophical Society in England Colin Price has agreed that I should email as many people as I can with the very sad news that Geoffrey Farthing died on Sunday morning. He had been in hospital with health problems but was back home and making a slow recovery. Then came a heart attack and he died instantly. When I left him on Friday he was impatient to regain his strength and get back to work on the latest book he was writing. I have been coming to his house twice a week (except for holidays) for over seventeen years and cannot imagine not doing so any more. He was very special to me. If you want to contact Colin his email address is: cprice@theosoc.org.uk or c/o The Theosophical Society, 50 Gloucester Place, London WIU 8EA >From Jill (Geoffrey's secretary) From global-theosophy@adslhome.dk Tue Jun 01 08:17:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@adslhome.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97917 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 15:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 15:17:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pfepb.post.tele.dk) (195.41.46.236) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 15:17:04 -0000 Received: from khidr (0x5358588e.arcnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [83.88.88.142]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A0CA5EE025 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:17:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002301c447eb$7f05a6e0$8e585853@khidr> To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:17:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.41.46.236 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" Subject: Re: Theos-World Geoffrey Farthing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=106996622 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Hallo all, My views are: I am most certain that Geoffrey went with God. Everything is allright. Extra sensory perception happens. Who knows - he might visit one of us one day. from M. Sufilight with peace and love... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon B Tucker" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Theos-World Geoffrey Farthing > I just received the following message: > > >From: Geoffrey Farthing [mailto:gaf@fetcham36.fsnet.co.uk] > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:41 AM > >Subject: Geoffrey Farthing > > The National President of the Theosophical Society in England Colin > Price has agreed that I should email as many people as I can with > the very sad news that Geoffrey Farthing died on Sunday morning. He > had been in hospital with health problems but was back home and > making a slow recovery. Then came a heart attack and he died > instantly. When I left him on Friday he was impatient to regain his > strength and get back to work on the latest book he was writing. > I have been coming to his house twice a week (except for holidays) > for over seventeen years and cannot imagine not doing so any more. > He was very special to me. > If you want to contact Colin his email address is: > cprice@theosoc.org.uk or c/o The Theosophical Society, 50 Gloucester > Place, London WIU 8EA > From Jill (Geoffrey's secretary) > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 13:16:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2179 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 20:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 20:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 20:16:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 20:14:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:14:31 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1315 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.89 From: "christinaleestemaker" X-Originating-IP: 62.234.183.216 Subject: Re: Einstein again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756 X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker -There is a joke as; Do you know why Einstein cannot built a wall? Because he have ein stein ( one stone). By the way; Do you know that a new proof is started as Gravity probe B,since 20 april and next year they can proof if Einstein's theory has been right.(GP-B techn.Ignazio Ciufolini). Greetings Christina -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" wrote: > We have all these Einstein experts here so I would like to get some > feednack on a story I heard years ago. I don't remember but think I > heard this on a television show. Anyway, they said Einstein was a > nickname which he got because he was not much of a drinking man. > He'd go to the Beer Gardens in Bavaria and after one stein he'd be > done for the evening. One Stein in German is Ein Stein, so everyone > started calling him Einstein. If he'd had three beers instead of > just one they would have called him Drei Stein. > > The people who put on the show seemed to know so much about Einstein > (or however many steins it was) that I hoped they would say something > about THE SECRET DOCTRINE as well, but there was nothing about > Theosophy in the show. > > My personal suspicion is that he did not tipple at all and that his > real ame was NeinStein. > > Does anyone know? From prmoliveira@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 13:27:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: prmoliveira@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63886 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 20:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 20:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 20:27:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2004 20:26:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:26:50 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.80 From: "prmoliveira" X-Originating-IP: 150.101.116.24 Subject: Re: Geoffrey Farthing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39079617 X-Yahoo-Profile: prmoliveira --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Eldon B Tucker" wrote: > I just received the following message: > > >From: Geoffrey Farthing [mailto:gaf@f...] > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:41 AM > >Subject: Geoffrey Farthing > > The National President of the Theosophical Society in England Colin > Price has agreed that I should as many as I can with > the very sad that Geoffrey Farthing died on Sunday morning. An era as ended and the theosophical movement is now poorer. But Geoffrey Farthing's contribution to theosophical literature will remain as a true legacy of his deep dedication and self-sacrifice to HPB's mandate to the TS: "To assist in showing that such a thing as Theosophy exists." In recognition of his outstanding contribution to theosophical literature the General Council of the (Adyar) TS, at its meeting in December 1995, decided to award him with the prestigious Subba Row medal. His book "Deity, Cosmos and Man" will certainly remain as one of the finest overviews of Theosophy published in a long time. He was very well known for his strong 'Blavatskyan' views regarding the theosophical teaching, but as a true theosophist he never imposed them on others and accepted differing views with utmost cordiality. He was a gentleman in every sense. I pay my most sincere tribute to this great servant of the Masters that has just left us. Pedro Oliveira From adviser77@msn.com Tue Jun 01 14:19:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: adviser77@msn.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98696 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2004 21:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2004 21:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.173.23) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 21:19:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:19:43 -0700 Received: from 62.178.163.116 by by5fd.bay5.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:19:42 GMT X-Originating-Email: [adviser77@msn.com] X-Sender: adviser77@msn.com To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:19:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2004 21:19:43.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[27FBF920:01C4481E] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.54.173.23 From: "cesar joanino" X-Originating-IP: [62.178.163.116] Subject: RE: Theos-World Geoffrey Farthing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=99044932 X-Yahoo-Profile: enlightedat He is one of the Personalities that i like in our society.."Exploring the great Beyond" is my favorite Books in the study of the unknown..my hw rest in peace and truly he will go to God Bro cesar Rev Cesar Joanino DD >From: "Eldon B Tucker" >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Theos-World Geoffrey Farthing >Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:20:33 -0000 > >I just received the following message: > > >From: Geoffrey Farthing [mailto:gaf@fetcham36.fsnet.co.uk] > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:41 AM > >Subject: Geoffrey Farthing > >The National President of the Theosophical Society in England Colin >Price has agreed that I should email as many people as I can with >the very sad news that Geoffrey Farthing died on Sunday morning. He >had been in hospital with health problems but was back home and >making a slow recovery. Then came a heart attack and he died >instantly. When I left him on Friday he was impatient to regain his >strength and get back to work on the latest book he was writing. >I have been coming to his house twice a week (except for holidays) >for over seventeen years and cannot imagine not doing so any more. >He was very special to me. >If you want to contact Colin his email address is: >cprice@theosoc.org.uk or c/o The Theosophical Society, 50 Gloucester >Place, London WIU 8EA >>From Jill (Geoffrey's secretary) > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 18:00:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21076 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 01:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 01:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40906.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.203) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 01:00:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20040602010034.60588.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.9.20.19] by web40906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:00:34 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:00:34 -0700 (PDT) To: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.78.203 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" Subject: Geoffrey Farthing and His Writings on Theosophy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geoffrey Farthing and His Writings on Theosophy "Geoffrey Farthing was born in England in December 1909. He matriculated London University. He has studied Theosophy for some 60 years and has lectured in many countries around the world. He has held most positions in the Theosophical Society in England including General Secretary (1969-72). He served a term as a member of the Society's General Council at Adyar, India, and was a member of the Executive Committee of the European Federation for a number of years. He founded The Blavatsky Trust, and educational charity, in England in 1974." He just recently died. See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/16868 I list some of his writings below: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deity, Cosmos and Man Here is a valuable introduction to Theosophy as given in the writings of Madame H.P. Blavatsky and her Adept Teachers. See: http://theosophy.info/farthingdcam.htm or http://blavatskyarchives.com/farthingdcam.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Exploring the Great Beyond An overview of H.P. Blavatsky's teachings about psychic phenomena and life after death See: http://theosophy.info/blavatskypsychicetc.htm or http://blavatskyarchives.com/blavatskypsychicetc.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When We Die A study of the after-death states & processes as given by Master K.H. in The Mahatma Letters See: http://theosophy.info/farthingwwd.htm or http://blavatskyarchives.com/farthingwwd.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After Death Consciousness and Processes A compendium of all the information on the subject in the original literature of H.P. Blavatsky and her Masters. See: http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/blavatskypsychicetc.htm or http://theosophy.info/blavatskypsychicetc.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Other writings: http://www.theos-world.com/archives/html/tw199706.html#ARTICLE0097 http://www.katinkahesselink.net/metaphys/etheric.htm http://www.blavatskytrust.org.uk/html/articles/ancient%20wisdom.htm http://www.blavatskytrust.org.uk/html/trilogy_intro.htm http://www.blavatskytrust.org.uk/html/articles/aspects%20divine%20law%20p1.htm http://www.blavatskytrust.org.uk/html/a_blavatsky_lecture_2001.html http://www.theosophical.ca/TSbackground.htm http://www.theosophical.ca/IsisStory.htm http://www.theosophical.ca/TS125.years.htm http://www.theosophical.ca/TSwisdomReligion.htm http://www.theosophical.ca/TowardWwisdom.htm http://www.theosophical.ca/TempleConsciousness.htm Daniel H. Caldwell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER including The Blavatsky Archives http://www.blavatskyarchives.com THEOSOPHY STUDY CENTER http://www.theosophy.info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can always access our main site by simply typing into the URL address bar the following 6 characters: hpb.cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 18:54:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86312 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 01:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 01:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 01:54:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 01:53:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:53:40 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 450 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" X-Originating-IP: 69.9.20.19 Subject: Geoffrey Farthing's Views about the Teachings of Annie Besant & C.W. Leadbeater X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell Geoffrey Farthing's Views about the Teachings of Annie Besant & C.W. Leadbeater See the following two articles: http://www.katinkahesselink.net/metaphys/etheric.htm http://theos-world.com/archives/html/tw199706.html#ARTICLE0097 More background on this subject can be found at: http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/latermessengers.htm#3 or http://www.theosophy.info/latermessengers.htm#3 Daniel H. Caldwell http://hpb.cc http://theosophy.info From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 19:01:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72729 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 02:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 02:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 02:01:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.142] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 02:00:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:00:52 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 229 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" X-Originating-IP: 69.9.20.19 Subject: Criticisms of C.W. Leadbeater's Teachings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell Criticisms of C.W. Leadbeater's Teachings See: http://www.theosophy.info/leadbeaterbib.htm#Criticisms or http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/leadbeaterbib.htm#Criticisms Daniel H. Caldwell http://hpb.cc http://theosophy.info From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Tue Jun 01 21:03:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97798 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 04:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 04:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 04:03:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 04:03:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 04:03:26 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2001 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" X-Originating-IP: 69.9.20.19 Subject: Primary Source Material by and about H.P. Blavatsky & the Mahatmas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell H P Blavatsky wrote more than 10,000 pages on Theosophy and occultism. There are thousands of pages of ADDITIONAL primary source material if we include the hundreds of published/unpublished letters of HPB, the letters of her Mahatmic Teachers and all the historical evidence concerning HPB's life, her occult phenomena, and the testimony concerning her Teachers, etc. >From this multitude of original sources, a serious inquirer/student can construct a pretty clear picture of what Blavatsky and her Teachers taught, the nature of the relationship between Blavatsky and her Teachers, what kind of Adept Association sponsored her work and what it means to be an Initiate of this Association. Any person who takes the time and effort to read the 10,000+ pages of Blavatsky's published writings can determine what the teachings of Theosophy actually are. From her early writings to her later ones, one can find definite RECURRING themes, ideas, concepts, teachings (call them whatever). And if you read the letters of the Masters, you can identify the same RECURRING teachings. Unfortunately, far too many students haven't taken the time and effort to read and study this original source material. And complicating all of this, are many later writers who claim contact with HPB's teachers and set forth teachings that are often in total opposition to the Theosophy of Blavatsky and her Masters. Therefore, I am always encouraging those interested in Theosophy to go directly to Blavatsky's writings and ready and study them so that one can understand what she is attempting to convey, etc. Don't naively believe or disbelieve, don't accept or reject what she writes, but try to UNDERSTAND what she is writing, what she is attempting to convey. How else can one come to know what any writer is trying to convey through the medium of words. Give Blavatsky a chance to give her thesis, her case. . . . Daniel Caldwell http://hpb.cc http://theosophy.info From stevestubbs@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 07:20:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stevestubbs@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38618 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 14:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 14:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 14:20:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 14:20:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:20:27 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "stevestubbs" X-Originating-IP: 4.225.182.247 Subject: Re: Einstein again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7712190 X-Yahoo-Profile: stevestubbs --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" wrote: > By the way; > Do you know that a new proof is started as Gravity probe B,since 20 > april and next year they can proof if Einstein's theory has been > right.(GP-B techn.Ignazio Ciufolini). I am planning on losing 10 pounds by the end of the summer and am totally convinced gravity is real. If I succeed in losing weight I will have proved it before the space agency does and at considerably less cost. From netemara888@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 09:54:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: netemara888@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60262 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 16:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 16:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 16:54:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 16:54:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:54:17 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 27139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "netemara888" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.186.69 Subject: Re: Theos-World STARS AND NUMBERS VENUS TRANSITS THE SUN JUNE 7-8 2004 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=100827629 X-Yahoo-Profile: netemara888 Hi Ali, yes that transit is supposed to be visible around most of the world. the thing about transits and comets and other heavenly bodies is=20 that by the time they are seen what they have portend has already=20 happened. They are like periods at the end of a sentence. Only you=20 may not be able to read the sentence, only the person who wrote it.=20 But everybody can see the end of the sentence in the form of a=20 celetial period or sky show. Yes, they do mean something only people are not privy to that=20 meaning, they get it wrong--in fact it is really none of their=20 business other than to record it. I just watched the best show on=20 gamma rays as they are emitted from a dying star which dies by being=20 sucked into the black hole that somehow forms at its core. When it=20 dies it sends out two huge beams of light which are all gamma=20 radiation. The kind that kills instantly.=20 These are also called the death stars. If it even gets remotely=20 close to earth, the earth would be burnt and all life would die. How=20 fast would be determined by how close the black hole comes. That is=20 probably how the grand dissolution will happen when earth is=20 reabsorbed by the cosmos. The most important star and sky show and=20 no one will be left to record it.=20=20 Netemara --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Ali Hassan" =20 wrote: > >From: "Dallas TenBroeck" > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com > >To: "AA-BNStudy" > >Subject: Theos-World STARS AND NUMBERS VENUS TRANSITS THE SUN=20=20 JUNE 7-8=20 > >2004 > >Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:53:51 -0700 > > > >May 27 2004 > > > >Re: ASTROLOGY and ASTRONOMY > > > > STARS AND NUMBERS -- H P B > > > > > > > >Dear Friends: > > > >Perhaps the following written by H P B will be found interesting=20 in > >regard to the effect of astronomical events and their influence=20 in and > >around Earth. > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Dallas > > > >---------------------------------- > > > > STARS AND NUMBERS > > > > > >ANCIENT civilization saw nothing absurd in the claims of=20 astrology, no > >more than many an educated and thoroughly scientific man sees in=20 it > >today. Judicial astrology, by which the fate and acts of men and > >nations might be foreknown, [hardly] appeared, nor does it even=20 now > >appear, any more unphilosophical or unscientific than does natural > >astrology or astronomy-by which the events of so-called brute and > >inanimate nature (changes of weather, &c.), might be predicted.=20 For it > >was not even prophetic insight that was claimed by the votaries of > >that abstruse and really grand science, but simply a great=20 proficiency > >in that method of procedure which allows the astrologer to foresee > >certain events in the life of a man by the position of the=20 planets at > >the time of his birth. > > > >Once the probability, or even the simple possibility, of an occult > >influence exercised by the stars upon the destiny of man admitted- and > >why should the fact appear more improbable in the case of stars=20 and > >man than in that of the sun-spots and potatoes?-and astrology=20 becomes > >no less an exact science than astronomy. The earth, Prof. Balfour > >Stewart, F.R.S., tells us-"is very seriously affected by what=20 takes > >place in the sun" . . . a connection "is strongly suspected=20 between > >epidemics and the appearance of the sun's surface."1 > > > >And if, as that man of science tells us, "a connection of some > >mysterious kind between the sun and the earth is more than=20 suspected" > >. . . and the problem is a most important one "to solve," how much > >more important the solution of that other mystery-the undoubted > >affinity between man and the stars-an affinity believed in for > >countless ages and by the most learned among men! Surely the=20 destiny > >of man deserves as much consideration as that of a turnip or a=20 potatoe > >. . . And if a disease of the latter may be scientifically=20 foretold > >whenever that vegetable crops out during a "sun-spot period," why > >should not a life of disease, or health, of natural or violent=20 death > >be as scientifically prognosticated by the position and=20 appearance of > >the constellation with which man is as directly connected and=20 which > >bears the same relation to him as the sun bears to the earth? > > > >In its days, astrology was greatly honoured, for when in able=20 hands it > >was often shown to be as precise and trustworthy in its=20 predictions as > >astronomical predictions are in our own age. Omens were studied=20 by all > >imperial Rome, as much, if not more than they are now in India. > >Tiberius practised the science; and the Saracens in Spain held > >star-divination in the greatest reverence, astrology passing into > >Western Europe through these, our first civilizers. Alphonso, the=20 wise > >king of Castile and Leon, made himself famous in the thirteenth > >century by his "Astrological Tables" (called Alphonsine); and his=20 code > >of the Siata Purtidas; and the great astronomer Kepler in the > >seventeenth, the discoverer of the three great laws of planetary > >motions (known as Kepler's laws) believed in and proclaimed=20 astrology > >a true science. Kepler, the Emperor Rudolph's mathematician, he to > >whom Newton is indebted for all his subsequent discoveries, is the > >author of the "Principles of Astrology" in which he proves the=20 power > >of certain harmonious configurations of suitable planets to=20 control > >human impulses. In his official capacity of Imperial astronomer,=20 he is > >historically known to have predicted to Wallenstein, from the=20 position > >of the stars, the issue of the war in which that unfortunate=20 general > >was then engaged. No less than himself, his friend, protector and > >instructor, the great astronomer Tycho de Brahe, believed in, and > >expanded, the astrological system. He was forced, moreover, to=20 admit > >the influence of the constellations on terrestrial life and=20 actions > >quite against his will or wish, and merely because of the constant > >verification of facts. > > > >Closely related to astrology is the Kabala and its system of=20 numerals. > >The secret wisdom of the ancient Chaldees left by them as an > >inheritance to the Jews relates primarily to the mythological=20 science > >of the heavens and contains the doctrines of the hidden or occult > >wisdom concerning the cycles of time. In the ancient philosophy,=20 the > >sacredness of numbers began with the great FIRST, the ONE, and=20 ended > >with the naught or Zero, the symbol of the infinite and boundless > >circle, which represents the universe. All the intervening=20 figures, in > >whatever combination, or however multiplied, represent=20 philosophical > >ideas relating either to a moral or a physical fact in nature. > > > >They are the key to the archean views on cosmogony, in its broad > >sense, including man and beings, and relate to the human race and > >individuals spiritually as well as physically. "The numerals of > >Pythagoras," says Porphyry, "were hieroglyphical symbols, by means > >whereof he explained all ideas concerning the nature of all=20 things" > >(De vit=E2 Pythag.). > > > >In the symbolical kabala-the most ancient system left to us by the > >Chaldeans-the modes of examining letters, words and sentences for > >hidden meaning were numerical. The gemantria (one of the three=20 modes) > >is purely arithmetical and mathematical, and consists in applying=20 to > >the letters of a word the sense they bear as numbers-letters being > >used also for figures in the Hebrew as in Greek. Figurative=20 Gemantria > >deduces mysterious interpretations from the shapes of letters=20 used in > >occult manuscripts and the Bible. > > > >Thus, as shown by Cornelius Agrippa, in Numbers (X. 35), the=20 letter > >Beth means the reversal of enemies. The sacred anagrams known as > >Zeruph yield their mysterious sense by the second mode named=20 Themura, > >and consists in displacing the letters and substituting them one=20 for > >another and then arranging them in rows according to their=20 numerical > >value. If, of all operations in the occult sciences there is not=20 one > >that is not rooted in astrology, arithmetic and especially=20 geometry > >are a part of the first principles of magic. > > > >The most recondite mysteries and powers in nature are made to=20 yield to > >the power of numbers. And let this not be regarded as a fallacy.=20 He > >who knows the relative and respective numbers or the so-called > >correspondence between causes and effects will alone be able to=20 obtain > >of a certainty the desired result. A small mistake, a trifling > >difference in an astronomical calculation and-no correct=20 prediction of > >a heavenly phenomenon becomes possible. As Severinus Boethius=20 puts it, > >it is by the proportion of certain numbers that all things were > >formed. "God geometrizes" saith Plato, meaning creative nature. If > >there are so many occult virtues in natural things, "what marvel=20 if in > >numbers which are pure and commixed only with ideas, there should=20 be > >found virtues greater and more occult?" asks Agrippa. > > > >Even Time must contain the mystery number; so also does motion, or > >action, and so, therefore, must all things that move, act, or are > >subjected to time. But "the mystery is in the abstract power of > >number, in its rational and formal state, not in the expression=20 of it > >by the voice, as among people who buy and sell." (De Occulta Phil. > >cap. iii. p. cii.) The Pythagoreans claimed to discern many=20 things in > >the numbers of names. And if those who having understanding were > >invited to "compute the number and name of the beast" by the=20 author of > >St. John's Revelation it is because that author was a Kabalist. > > > >The wiseacres of our generations raise daily the cry that science=20 and > >metaphysics are irreconcilable; and facts prove as daily that it=20 is > >but one more fallacy among the many that are uttered. The reign of > >exact science is proclaimed on every housetop, and Plato who is=20 said > >to have trusted to his imagination is sneered at, while=20 Aristotle's > >method built on pure reason is the one accepted by Science. Why? > >Because "the philosophical method of Plato was the inverse of=20 that of > >Aristotle." Its starting-point was universals, the very existence=20 of > >which is, "a matter of faith" says Dr. Draper, and from these it > >descended to particulars, or details. > > > >Aristotle, on the contrary, "rose from particulars to universals, > >advancing to them by inductions" (Conflict between Religion and > >Science). We humbly answer to this, that mathematics, the only=20 exact > >and infallible science in the world of sciences-proceeds from > >UNIVERSALS. > > > > > > VENUS > > > >It is this year especially, the year 1881, which seems to defy and > >challenge sober, matter-of-fact science, and by its extraordinary > >events above, as below, in heaven as upon earth, to invite=20 criticism > >upon its strange "coincidences." Its freaks in the domains of > >meteorology and geology were prognosticated by the astronomers,=20 and > >these every one is bound to respect. There is a certain triangle=20 seen > >this year on the horizon formed of the most brilliant stars which=20 was > >predicted by them, but none the less left unexplained. It is a=20 simple > >geometrical combination of heavenly bodies, they say. As to that > >triangle, formed of the three large planets-VENUS, Jupiter and > >Saturn-having aught to do with the destinies of either men or > >nations-why that is pure superstition. "The mantle of the=20 astrologers > >is burnt and the predictions of some of them, whenever verified,=20 must > >be attributed to simple and blind chance." > > > >We are not so sure of that; and, if permitted, will further on=20 tell > >why-meanwhile, we must remind the reader of the fact that VENUS,=20 the > >most intensely brilliant of the three above-named planets, as was > >remarked in Europe and for all we know in India also-suddenly=20 parted > >company with its two companions and slowly moving onward, stopped > >above them, whence it goes on dazzling the inhabitants of the=20 earth > >with an almost preternatural brilliancy. > > > >The conjunction of two planets happens but rarely; that of three=20 is > >still more rare; while the conjunction of four and five planets > >becomes an event. The latter phenomenon took place in historical=20 times > >but once, 2449 years B. C., when it was observed by the Chinese > >astronomers and has not recurred since then. >=20 > This is ridiculous. Conjunctions happen often. Unfortunately, the=20 author was=20 > not privy to the computers and ephemerides we take for granted. >=20 > >That extraordinary meeting of five large planets forebode all=20 kinds of > >evils to the Celestial Empire and its peoples, and the panic then > >created by the predictions of the Chinese astrologers was not in=20 vain. > >During the following 500 years, a series of internal broils, > >revolutions, wars, and changes of dynasty marked the end of the=20 golden > >age of national felicity in the Empire founded by the great Fu-hi. >=20 > Feb 4, 1962. 7 planets in Aquarius, 5 of those from 15 to 18=20 degrees. >=20 > >Another conjunction is known to have happened just before the > >beginning of the Christian era. In that year, three large planets=20 had > >approached so closely together as to be mistaken by many for one > >single star of an immense size. >=20 > Dubious. Jupiter and Saturn were conjunct, but even children know=20 what they=20 > are. Uranus was in the vicinity, but as it was not visually=20 identified until=20 > the 1860's, that's a non-issue. >=20 > >Biblical scholars were more than once > >inclined to identify these "three in one" with the Trinity, and=20 at the > >same [time] with the "star of the wise men of the East." But they=20 saw > >themselves thwarted in such pious desires by their hereditary > >enemies-the irreverent men of science, who proved that the > >astronomical conjunction took place a year before the period=20 claimed > >for the alleged birth of Jesus. > > > >Whether the phenomenon forbode good or evil is best answered by=20 the > >subsequent history and development of Christianity, than which, no > >other religion cost so many human victims, shed such torrents of > >blood, nor brought the greater portion of humanity to suffer from=20 what > >is now termed the "blessings of Christianity and civilization." > > > >A third conjunction took place in 1563 A. D. It appeared near the > >great nebula in the constellation of Cancer. There were three=20 great > >planets and according to the astronomers of those days-the most > >nefarious: Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. The constellation of Cancer=20 has > >always had a bad reputation; that year the mere fact of its=20 having in > >its neighborhood a triune conjunction of evil stars, caused the > >astrologers to predict great and speedy disasters. These did come=20 to > >pass. A terrible plague broke out and raged in all Europe,=20 carrying > >off thousands upon thousands of victims. > > > >And now, in 1881, we have again a visit of three=20 other "Wanderers." > >What do they forebode? Nothing good; and it would seem, as if of=20 the > >great evils they are likely to pour on the devoted heads of=20 hapless > >humanity, the fatal prelude is already being played. Let us=20 enumerate > >and see how far we are from the truth. The nearly simultaneous and > >certainly in some cases unexpected deaths of great and the most > >remarkable men of our age. In the region of politics, we find the > >Emperor of Russia, Lord Beaconsfield, and Aga Khan; in that of > >literature, Carlyle and George Eliot; in the world of art,=20 Rubinstein, > >the greatest musical genius. In the domain of geology-earthquakes > >which have already destroyed the town of Casamiceiola on the=20 Island of > >Ischia, a village in California and the Island of Chio which was=20 laid > >entirely waste by the terrible catastrophe-one, moreover,=20 predicted > >for that very day by the astrologer Raphael. In the domain of=20 wars, > >the hitherto invincible Great Britain was worsted at the Cape by a > >handful of Boers; Ireland is convulsed and threatens; a plague now > >rages in Mesopotamia; another war is preparing between Turkey and > >Greece; armies of Socialists and red-handed Nihilists obscure the=20 sun > >of the political horizon in Europe; and the latter thrown into a > >violent perturbation is breathlessly awaiting the most unexpected > >events [in the] future-defying the perspicacity of the most acute=20 of > >her political men. In the religious spheres the heavenly triangle > >pointed its double horn at the monastic congregations and-a=20 general > >exodus of monks and nuns-headed by the children of Loyola,=20 followed in > >France. There is a revival of infidelity and mental rebellion, and > >with it a proportionate increase of missionary labourers (not=20 labour), > >who like the hordes of Attila destroy much and build but little.=20 Shall > >we add to the list of signs of these nefasti dies, the birth of=20 the > >New Dispensation at Calcutta? The latter though having but a=20 small and > >quite a local importance, shows yet a direct bearing upon our=20 subject, > >i.e., the astrological meaning of the planetary conjunction. Like > >Christianity with Jesus and his Apostles the New Dispensation can > >henceforth boast of having had a forerunner in starry heaven-the > >present triune conjunction of planets. It proves, moreover, our > >kabalistic theory of periodical cyclic recurrences of events. As=20 the > >Roman sceptical world of 1881 years ago, we are startled by a=20 fresh > >revival of mendicant Ebionites, fasting Essenes and Apostles upon=20 whom > >descend "cloven tongues like as of fire," and of whom we cannot=20 even > >say as of the Jerusalem twelve, "that these men are full of new=20 wine," > >since their inspiration is entirely due to water, we are told. > > > >The year 1881, then, of which we have lived but one-third,=20 promises, > >as predicted by astrologers and astronomers, a long and gloomy=20 list of > >disasters on land, as on the seas. We have shown elsewhere (Bombay > >Gazette, March 30, 1881) how strange in every respect was the=20 grouping > >of the figures of our present year, adding that another such > >combination will not happen in the Christian chronology before the > >year 11811, just 9,930 years hence, when-there will be no more a > >"Christian" chronology we are afraid, but something else. > > > >We said: "Our year 1881, offers that strange fact, that from=20 whichever > >of four sides you look at its figures-from right or left, from=20 top or > >bottom, from the back, by holding the paper up to the light-or=20 even > >upside down, you will always have before you the same mysterious=20 and > >kabalistic numbers of 1881. it is the correct number of the three > >figures which have most perplexed mystics for over eighteen=20 centuries. > > > > > > > > 6 6 6 > > > > > >The year 1881, in short, is the number of the great Beast of the > >Revelation, the number 666 of St. John's Apocalypsis-that=20 Kabalistic > >Book par excellence. See for yourselves: 1+8+8 +1 make eighteen; > >eighteen divided thrice gives three times six, or placed in a row, > >666, "the number of man." > > > >This number has been for centuries the puzzle of Christendom and=20 was > >interpreted in a thousand different ways. Newton himself worked=20 for > >years over the problem, but, ignorant of the secret Kabala,=20 failed. > >Before the Reformation it was generally supposed in the Church to=20 have > >reference to the coming Antichrist. Since then the Protestants=20 began > >to apply it in that spirit of Christian charity which so=20 characterizes > >Calvinism to the Latin Popish Church, which they call=20 the "Harlot," > >the "great Beast" and the "scarlet woman," and forthwith the=20 latter > >returned the compliment in the same brotherly and friendly=20 spirit. The > >supposition that it refers to the Roman nation-the Greek letters=20 of > >the word Latinus as numerals, amounting to exactly 666-is absurd. > >There are beliefs and traditions among the people which spring no=20 one > >knows from whence and pass from one generation to the other, as an > >oral prophecy, and an unavoidable fact to come. > > > >One of such traditions, a correspondent of the Moscow Gazette=20 happened > >to hear in 1874 from the mountaineers of the Tyrolian Alps, and > >subsequently from old people in Bohemia. "From the first day of=20 1876," > >says that tradition, "a sad, heavy period will begin for the whole > >world and will last for seven consecutive years. The most=20 unfortunate > >and fatal year for all will be 1881. He who will survive it, has=20 an > >iron head." > > > >An interesting new combination, meanwhile, of the year 1881, in > >reference to the life of the murdered Czar, may be found in the > >following dates, every one of which marks a more or less important > >period in his life. It proves at all events what important . and > >mysterious a part, the figures 1 and 8 played in his life. 1 and 8 > >make 18; and the Emperor was born April 17 (1+7=3D8) in 1818. He=20 died in > >1881-the figures of the year of his birth and death being=20 identical, > >and coinciding, moreover, with the date of his birth 17=3D1+7=3D8. The > >figures of the years of the birth and death being thus the same,=20 as > >four times 18 can be formed out of them, and the sum-total of each > >year's numerals is 18. The arrival at Petersburg of the late > >Empress-the Czar's bride-took place on September 8; their marriage > >April 16-(8+8=3D16); their eldest daughter, the Grand Duchess=20 Alexandra, > >was born August 18; the late Czarevitch Nicolas Alexandrovitch, on > >September the 8, 1843; (1+8+4+3=3D16, i.e., twice 8). The present=20 Czar, > >Alexander III, was born February 26, (2+6=3D8); the proclamation of=20 the > >ascension to the throne of the late Emperor was signed February=20 18; > >the public proclamation about the Coronation day took place April=20 17 > >(l+7=3D8). His entrance into Moscow for the coronation was on=20 August 17 > >(1+7=3D8); the Coronation itself being performed August 26 (2+6=3D8);=20 the > >year of the liberation of the Serfs, 1861, whose numerals sum up > >16-i.e., twice 8! > > > >To conclude, we may mention here a far more curious discovery=20 made in > >relation, and as a supplement, to the above calculation, by a=20 Jewish > >Rabbi in Russia-a Kabalist, evidently, from the use he makes of=20 the > >Gemantria reckoning. It was just published in a St. Petersburg=20 paper. > >The Hebrew letters as stated have all their numerical value or > >correspondence in arithmetical figures. The number 18 in the=20 Hebrew > >Alphabet is represented by the letters-"HETH" =3D 8, and "JOD" =3D 10, > >i.e., 18. United together Heth and Jod form the word "kha=EF,"=20 or "Hai," > >which literally translated means the imperative-live and alive.=20 Every > >orthodox Jew during his fast and holy days is bound to donate for=20 some > >pious purpose a sum of money consisting of, and containing the=20 number > >18 in it. So, for instance, he will give 18 copecks, or 18 ten=20 copeck > >bits, 18 rubles or 18 times 18 copecks or rubles-according to his > >means and degree of religious fervour. Hence, the year 1818-that=20 of > >the Emperor's birth-meant, if read in Hebrew-"kha=EF, kha=EF"-or live, > >live-pronounced emphatically twice; while the year 1881-that of=20 his > >death read in the same way, yields the fatal words "Kha=EF-tze"=20 rendered > >in English, "thou living one depart"; or in other words, "life is > >ended." > > > >Of course, those sceptically inclined will remark that it is all=20 due > >to blind chance and "coincidence." Nor would we much insist upon=20 the > >contrary, were such an observation to proceed but from=20 uncompromising > >atheists, and materialists, who, denying the above, remain only > >logical in their disbelief, and have as much right to their=20 opinion as > >we have to our own. But we cannot promise the same degree of > >indulgence whenever attacked by orthodox religionists. For, that=20 class > >of persons while pooh-poohing speculative metaphysics, and even > >astrology-- a system based upon strictly mathematical=20 calculations, > >pertaining as much to exact science as biology or physiology, and=20 open > >to experiment and verification-will, at the same time, firmly=20 believe > >that potatoe disease, cholera, railway accidents, earthquakes and=20 the > >like are all of Divine origin and, proceeding directly of God,=20 have a > >meaning and a bearing on human life in its highest aspects. It is=20 to > >the latter class of theists that we say: prove to us the=20 existence of > >a personal God either outside or inside physical nature,=20 demonstrate > >him to us as the external agent, the Ruler of the Universe; show=20 him > >concerned in human affairs and destiny and exercising on them an > >influence, at least, as great and reasonably probable as that > >exercised by the sun-spots upon the destiny of vegetables and > >then-laugh at us. Until then, and so long as no one is prepared=20 with > >such a proof and solution, in the words of Tyndall-"Let us lower=20 our > >heads, and acknowledge our ignorance, priest and philosopher, one=20 and > >all." > > H P B > > > >Theosophist, June, 1881 > > > >---------------------Footnotes---------------- > > > >1 One of the best known vegetable epidemics is that of the potatoe > >disease. The years 1846. 1860, and 1872 were bad years for the=20 potatoe > >disease. and those years are not very far from the years of=20 maximum > >sun-spots . . . there is a curious connection between these=20 diseases > >affecting plants and the state of the sun. . . . A disease that=20 took > >place about three centuries since, of a periodical and very=20 violent > >character, called the "sweating sickness" . . . took place about=20 the > >end of the fifteenth and the beginning of the sixteenth=20 century . . . > >and this is exactly the sun-spot period. . . . (The Sun and the=20 Earth, > >Lecture by Prof. Balfour Stewart) > > > >2 H. H. Aga Khan was one of the most remarkable men of the=20 century. Of > >all the Mussulmen, Shiahs or Soonis, who rejoice in the green=20 turban, > >the Aga's claims to a direct descent from Mahomet through Ali=20 rested > >on undeniable proofs. He again represented the=20 historical "Assassins" > >of the Old Man of the Mountain. He had married a daughter of the=20 late > >Shah of Persia; but political broils forced him to leave his=20 native > >land and seek refuge with the British Government in India. In=20 Bombay > >he had a numerous religious following. He was a high-spirited, > >generous man and a hero. The most noticeable feature of his life=20 was > >that he was born in 1800-and died in 1881, at the age of 81. In=20 his > >case too the occult influence of the year 1881 has asserted=20 itself. > > >=20 > I find it hard to believe that HPB wrote this, because it is=20 gibberish and=20 > was written by someone who knew nothing of astrology. >=20 > regards- >=20 > Ali >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from=20 McAfee=AE=20 > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp? cid=3D3963 From netemara888@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 10:50:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: netemara888@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64523 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 17:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 17:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 17:50:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 17:49:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:49:39 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 923 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.78 From: "netemara888" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.186.69 Subject: Re: Einstein again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=100827629 X-Yahoo-Profile: netemara888 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" wrote: > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" > wrote: > > By the way; > > Do you know that a new proof is started as Gravity probe B,since 20 > > april and next year they can proof if Einstein's theory has been > > right.(GP-B techn.Ignazio Ciufolini). > > I am planning on losing 10 pounds by the end of the summer and am > totally convinced gravity is real. If I succeed in losing weight I > will have proved it before the space agency does and at considerably > less cost. Steve, If you go to a place (inner space) where you cannot be observed by anyone on earth you can create the body you want, at will, and no one will be there to dispute your new dimensions, you can even loose more than 10#. PS: When you show up the next morning you might still have that new body. Netemara From netemara888@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 13:37:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: netemara888@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26021 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 20:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 20:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 20:37:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 20:36:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:36:38 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1763 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "netemara888" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.186.69 Subject: The Yin-Yang is all ye need to know X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=100827629 X-Yahoo-Profile: netemara888 here is a repost of my answer to Robin: Robin, Yes, I often say that I invented humor, if not satire in another life when I (as a woman )was on stage in French satirical comedies written by Moliere (the first to write satire). This is truth, but aside from this truth, I say He because He is what is acceptable. He as Jesus and God came in the male form. Only because it is a positive form--in the sense of polarity. It is the 111, as opposed to the 222, that's all. Women are negative, and men are positive, in the chemistry found at the heart of atomic science. Energy is impersonal, so the question of who, or what sex does not arise. It is called chirality (spelling may be wrong.) This has literally shocked the pants off the male physicists to discover it. They are now using it to explain quarks and subatomic particles. I have no penis envy because I have realized the male presence in myself at a deep psychological level. And when I did it brought me a peace of mind I have never known before. Finally, We are all holographic images, if you will, of God. He broke off humanity one atom at a time. I think he was not looking in the case of some people when he allowed them use of these atoms, which have NO sex, but other than that. We are all created absolutely equal. Why? Because there is total polarity in the atomic universe and in high energy physics. Everything comes as a pair! Isn't that phenomenal. So the ying yang symbol which I love, is one of the greatest physical and God truths that man has ever conceived. Thus the only karma is changing sexes. We must be both and have been both to reach perfection. One is not better they are equal. WE are not the creation, but the creators. Light and love. Netemara From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 14:21:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73543 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 21:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 21:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 21:21:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 21:19:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:19:13 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.67 From: "christinaleestemaker" X-Originating-IP: 62.234.183.216 Subject: Re: Einstein again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756 X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker I don't think so. Your weight has to do with carbo hydrate and fats that combination or the age with hormon changing! If you can lose weight trough the gravity factor you can learn me something new and that will be a new hype.! --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" wrote: > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" > wrote: > > By the way; > > Do you know that a new proof is started as Gravity probe B,since 20 > > april and next year they can proof if Einstein's theory has been > > right.(GP-B techn.Ignazio Ciufolini). > > I am planning on losing 10 pounds by the end of the summer and am > totally convinced gravity is real. If I succeed in losing weight I > will have proved it before the space agency does and at considerably > less cost. From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Wed Jun 02 14:29:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84416 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2004 21:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2004 21:29:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2004 21:29:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2004 21:27:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:27:13 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1447 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.68 From: "christinaleestemaker" X-Originating-IP: 62.234.183.216 Subject: Re: Einstein again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756 X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker That is not so easy as you said !! Many persons have the problems with weight and if your idea should help, it should be worth much !!!! Really , no strong spirit as I have, make me lost one kilogram, as even one gram lower without sportexercise and healthy food. The balance in fats and carbon hydrates. If you think you have the best way, just explain in details. Greeting Christina -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" wrote: > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" > wrote: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" > > wrote: > > > By the way; > > > Do you know that a new proof is started as Gravity probe B,since > 20 > > > april and next year they can proof if Einstein's theory has been > > > right.(GP-B techn.Ignazio Ciufolini). > > > > I am planning on losing 10 pounds by the end of the summer and am > > totally convinced gravity is real. If I succeed in losing weight > I > > will have proved it before the space agency does and at > considerably > > less cost. > > Steve, > > If you go to a place (inner space) where you cannot be observed by > anyone on earth you can create the body you want, at will, and no > one will be there to dispute your new dimensions, you can even loose > more than 10#. > > PS: When you show up the next morning you might still have that new > body. > > Netemara From amt@menta.net Wed Jun 02 21:46:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: amt@menta.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16037 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 04:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 04:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO megavia) (80.35.145.231) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 04:46:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by megavia (ArGoSoft Mail Server, Version 1.8 (1.8.1.2)); Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:47:37 +0200 Message-ID: <00a401c44925$e488ba80$04001aac@megavia> To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:47:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 80.35.145.231 From: "ana maria torra" Reply-To: "ana maria torra" Subject: Re: Theos-World Geoffrey Farthing's Views about the Teachings of Annie Besant & C.W. Leadbeater X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87794653 X-Yahoo-Profile: anamariatorra Apart from embracing you all, I would like to thank you for all your discussions and for keeping me up with news relevant to the Theosophical world such as the passing of Geoffrey Farthing. I remember in August 25th 1999, I was translating Radha Burnier in a Summer School in Barcelona (Spain), when I knew of Dora Kuntz's passing, through your mail, and that was how Radha came to know about it that day. I don't have much time to read all the mails on the list, but I do it occasionally and today I found out about this recent news too. I'll tell our people about it. I remember translating Geoffrey, some years ago, too, in another Summer School on the coast in Barcelona. He was an impressive man and no doubt we are indebted to him for all his worthy contributions. May his journey move on with grace and may he be experiencing all the blessings he deserves. A big global embrace to all the family on the list ana maria From dalval14@earthlink.net Thu Jun 03 03:22:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68246 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 10:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 10:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 10:22:47 -0000 Received: from pool0040.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.146.40] helo=DALLAS) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BVpMn-0007vE-00; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 03:22:34 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:21:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c44954$951999e0$2892b3d1@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7969563f4e62253a56d7021773bf9b8656350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.227 From: "Dallas TenBroeck" Subject: RE: [bn-study] Re: ATMA -- BUDHI -- MASTERS OF WISDOM -- ADEPTS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573 X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 June 3 RE: [bn-study] Re: ATMA -- BUDHI -- MASTERS OF WISDOM -- ADEPTS Dear Friend: Perceptual indeed. But, what do we perceive with? Seems to me the PERCEIVER is an indwelling presence. THEOSOPHY uses the word ATMA (Higher Self) and states it is an imperishable "ray" of the ONE ABSOLUTE SELF. Each of us seems to have two ways (in general) of perceiving 1 in terms of basic and fundamental principles -- which we all share and many call "virtue." These can be checked (in my opinion) by a strict application of logic and reasoning. In our experience mathematics, geometry and philosophy come closest to such of the truths that are universal and impersonal.=20 2 in terms of our persona experience using what we have observed, experienced and learned in this life. --often called "my view" or "my slant."=20=20 In examining these I find that the 2nd type widely varies and needs much research to verify its accuracy. The 1st set are, one might hazard, of the nature of intuitions. And as I understand it "Intuition" has been called "reasoning in a hurry."=20 Best wishes, Dallas Dallas =20 -----Original Message----- From: sensaru Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:07 AM To: study@blavatsky.net Subject: Re: ATMA -- BUDHI -- MASTERS OF WISDOM -- ADEPTS the only limits are perceptual.=20 >=20 > From: "Dallas TenBroeck" > Date: 2004/06/01 Tue AM=20 > To: study@blavatsky.net > Subject: [bn-study] Re: ATMA -- BUDHI -- MASTERS OF WISDOM -- ADEPTS >=20 > May 31 2004 >=20 > Re: ATMA -- BUDHI -- MASTERS OF WISDOM=20=20 >=20 > Dear Gopi: >=20 >=20 > Thank you, but, I hope I grasp your problem.=20=20 >=20 > May we look a this together? >=20 > As a student of THEOSOPHY I have found in its literature that which to > me explains this. Here is a summary: >=20 > I keep reminding myself that at best our embodied brain-mind in its > highest aspect seeks wisdom as an iron filing seeks a magnet. The > Magnet, while passive itself, issues a surrounding force (magnetism) > that distinguishes the iron filings from sand, dust, water, etc...and > other aspects of matter not affected by "magnetic force."=20 >=20 > I am of the opinion that any real Truth is always attracted to and > sustained by the great TRUTH (MAHA-BUDDHI). This is an aspect of the > ONE, the UNIVERSAL SELF. >=20 > It relates the enormous varieties of beings (great and small, distant > and infinitely present) and, all experiences of individualized > INTELLIGENCE.=20=20 >=20 > One might say that the "quality" of CONSCIOUSNESS and AWARENESS, when > focussed in the smallest LIFE-BEING (a MONAD) [and this concept > visualizes something far smaller that the smallest sub-atomic > particles so far discovered] provides that "ray" of the supreme > SPIRIT, with a basis for perception, sensation and growth. >=20 CUT =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dt From compiler@wisdomworld.org Thu Jun 03 08:40:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: compiler@wisdomworld.org X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94387 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 15:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 15:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ams003.ftl.affinity.com) (216.219.253.136) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 15:40:05 -0000 Received: from wisdomworld.org ([68.55.92.204]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with ESMTP id <325809-23491>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: <40BF533D.DD12AACB@wisdomworld.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:35:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.219.253.136 From: Compiler Subject: "INTRODUCTIONS" to NEWCOMERS on WisdomWorld.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46028585 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_compiler_wisdomworld For whatever it may be worth, this is how introductions to the teachings are handled on my web site. I hope they prove to be somewhat useful and helpful to everyone -- especially newcomers to theosophy. The very first introduction is found in the right hand column of the main page in this link: http://www.wisdomworld.org/ The introduction to newcomers to theosophy that begins the "VOLUME 1--> Setting the Stage" book of 166 articles is the first link that's listed on this index page for the book, and is entitled: "-- The Introduction to this Book by the Compiler": http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting.html This is the direct link to it: http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting/IntroductionByCompiler.html =================================================== Dear newcomers to Theosophy: I sincerely do hope that my web site offers a well-rounded overall view of Theosophy and the Theosophical Movement. The 3 main links to everything on it are found below. Please know that I'm only the compiler of all the articles found on my web site; I'm not a scholar; and also that I personally do not like to take part in conversations, even though I do hope that what I present from time to time will help a little in the discussions being carried on by others. So please do not be insulted when I do not respond if someone addresses me, or addresses anything that is found in any of the articles on my web site; I leave that for others to deal with if they want to -- whether pro, con, neutral, friendly or unfriendly. John DeSantis (Compiler) ------- You may find a great deal of the Truth that you are searching for here: WisdomWorld.org web site (Main Page): http://www.wisdomworld.org This is the Index page of the "Introductory", "Setting the Stage" book, which was especially compiled for newcomers to Theosophy: http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting.html The page where "Additional" articles are slowly being added (which contains 18 sections that can each be clicked on at the top of the page in order to go directly down to them, as well as to get the link to any particular section that you may want to use in a posting on a discussion board, or in an e-mail to someone): http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/index.html "PUBLIC & PRIVATE ENTERPRISE DEVELOPMENT FORUM": This next link is to the most updated version of my economic proposal to humanity, a practical project to help our suffering world that I also consider to be Theosophical. In it you will find a new and unique, but mostly unknown, economic system model that might be able to put an end to involuntary poverty on earth. How? It presents a way to fully finance everything of importance that is needed in every nation. Because of this it's well worth pointing to. Please note that, for strategic reasons, of wanting it to have the best chance of being accepted by all peoples worldwide, no matter what their religious, philosophical, and scientific beliefs are, I've put it on a completely different web site; it contains no mention of, or link to, the Theosophy and the Theosophical Movement that is presented on my WisdomWorld.org web site: http://www.PublicAndPrivateEnterprise.org ------- From netemara888@yahoo.com Thu Jun 03 09:29:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: netemara888@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29954 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 16:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 16:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 16:29:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2004 16:29:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:29:48 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1797 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "netemara888" X-Originating-IP: 4.226.192.83 Subject: Re: Einstein again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=100827629 X-Yahoo-Profile: netemara888 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" wrote: > That is not so easy as you said !! > Many persons have the problems with weight and if your idea should > help, it should be worth much !!!! > Really , no strong spirit as I have, make me lost one kilogram, as > even one gram lower without sportexercise and healthy food. > The balance in fats and carbon hydrates. > > If you think you have the best way, just explain in details. > Greeting Christina > Actually this is called a bait and switch tactic. Because the real answer is to go so deeply into meditation that you will not want to eat..... Netemara > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" > wrote: > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" > > wrote: > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" > > > wrote: > > > > By the way; > > > > Do you know that a new proof is started as Gravity probe > B,since > > 20 > > > > april and next year they can proof if Einstein's theory has > been > > > > right.(GP-B techn.Ignazio Ciufolini). > > > > > > I am planning on losing 10 pounds by the end of the summer and am > > > totally convinced gravity is real. If I succeed in losing weight > > I > > > will have proved it before the space agency does and at > > considerably > > > less cost. > > > > Steve, > > > > If you go to a place (inner space) where you cannot be observed by > > anyone on earth you can create the body you want, at will, and no > > one will be there to dispute your new dimensions, you can even > loose > > more than 10#. > > > > PS: When you show up the next morning you might still have that new > > body. > > > > Netemara From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Thu Jun 03 19:00:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42577 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 02:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 02:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40902.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.199) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 02:00:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20040604020052.94322.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.9.20.19] by web40902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:00:52 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:00:52 -0700 (PDT) To: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.78.199 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" Subject: Blavatsky, the Mahatmas & Theosophy: 21 Highly Recommended Titles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "H.P. Blavatsky, the Mahatmas and Theosophy" 21 Highly Recommended Titles" I highly recommend the following titles. See the webpage at: http://blavatskyarchives.com/introductory.htm or the same one at our mirror site: http://theosophy.info/introductory.htm Daniel H. Caldwell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER including The Blavatsky Archives http://www.blavatskyarchives.com THEOSOPHY STUDY CENTER http://www.theosophy.info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can always access our main site by simply typing into the URL address bar the following 6 characters: hpb.cc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com Fri Jun 04 02:51:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86877 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 09:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 09:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 09:51:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 09:51:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:51:08 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2288 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "christinaleestemaker" X-Originating-IP: 62.234.183.216 Subject: Re: Einstein again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162317756 X-Yahoo-Profile: christinaleestemaker Netemara, That I know, but you cannot use that way for a long time, because anyone needs food. This results in a JOJO effect. Acceptation that there are different fat burnings and different types of metabolisms. To know that starts the way how and what to eat. greetings Christina --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" wrote: > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" > wrote: > > That is not so easy as you said !! > > Many persons have the problems with weight and if your idea should > > help, it should be worth much !!!! > > Really , no strong spirit as I have, make me lost one kilogram, as > > even one gram lower without sportexercise and healthy food. > > The balance in fats and carbon hydrates. > > > > If you think you have the best way, just explain in details. > > Greeting Christina > > > > Actually this is called a bait and switch tactic. Because the real > answer is to go so deeply into meditation that you will not want to > eat..... > > > Netemara > > > > > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" > > wrote: > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" > > > > wrote: > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" > > > > wrote: > > > > > By the way; > > > > > Do you know that a new proof is started as Gravity probe > > B,since > > > 20 > > > > > april and next year they can proof if Einstein's theory has > > been > > > > > right.(GP-B techn.Ignazio Ciufolini). > > > > > > > > I am planning on losing 10 pounds by the end of the summer and > am > > > > totally convinced gravity is real. If I succeed in losing > weight > > > I > > > > will have proved it before the space agency does and at > > > considerably > > > > less cost. > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > If you go to a place (inner space) where you cannot be observed > by > > > anyone on earth you can create the body you want, at will, and > no > > > one will be there to dispute your new dimensions, you can even > > loose > > > more than 10#. > > > > > > PS: When you show up the next morning you might still have that > new > > > body. > > > > > > Netemara From dalval14@earthlink.net Fri Jun 04 06:21:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61923 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 13:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 13:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.227) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 13:21:56 -0000 Received: from pool0011.cvx39-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.36.11] helo=DALLAS) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BWEdG-0003bN-00; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 06:21:15 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:20:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c44a36$c89146f0$0b24f4d8@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79688acf5879e86b3371262b05f750e14f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.227 From: "Dallas TenBroeck" Subject: RE: [bn-study] Re: FW: Theos-World Geoffrey Farthing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573 X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit June 4 20004 Re: MANIFESTO by Mr. G. Farthing Here it is; -------------------------------------------- The Theosophical Society and Its Future by Geoffrey A. Farthing Historical Background Towards the end of the 19th century, even though their colleagues in the 'Brotherhood' did not feel that the time was opportune, i.e. that humanity generally had not progressed spiritually enough even though a few may have done so, two Masters of the Wisdom were allowed to make the attempt to make available to mankind in general some of their occult knowledge concerning the nature of existence and man's being. Up till then this had been kept secret. The Theosophical Society, founded in New York in 1875, was formed originally as an association of people interested in spiritualism and psychic phenomena. Its early objects reflected this but they were soon to become, after a few changes, as they are now, with an emphasis on brotherhood. The Headquarters of the Society was removed to Bombay in 1880 and then to Adyar in 1883. Although the Masters were emphatic that the Society was not to be a school of Occultism or Magic and that their sole purpose was to benefit mankind at large, they nevertheless in various ways let it be known not only that they were possessed of occult knowledge and power but that they were able and willing to make some of it available to suitable candidates. This was to be done principally in the writings of H.P. Blavatsky, but some information was given directly by the two Masters concerned in their letters to A.P. Sinnett. Some of this knowledge was distinct from that contained in any extant literature at the time, with the exception of some older and/or obscure 'occult' writings. These were mostly unintelligible without the necessary 'keys'. It was claimed, however, that the knowledge contained in the new outpouring was the source and origin of all philosophical and religious knowledge, in its pure form. The old scriptures and philosophical writings had been 'contaminated' by human interpretation, additions and alterations. They had to a large extent departed from the pure original and had distorted their meanings. The first major attempt at elucidation of this ancient knowledge was the writing of Isis Unveiled by H.P.B. published in 1877, a work of enormous erudition in which 1,330 other works. some of great rarity and antiquity were quoted from. It is known that several Masters had a hand in it, providing H.P.B. with much of the information it contains. This Ancient Wisdom was later more fully and specifically described in The Mahatma Letters To A. P. Sinnett, from which he wrote two books: The Occult World and later Esoteric Buddhism. This latter, although by no means complete or wholly accurate, is important as being the first systematic formulation, in outline, of what was later to become known as Theosophy. The books were published in 1884 and 1885. From 1875 onwards H.P.B.'s almost continuous output of articles and letters contained aspects of the teachings. These writings are now collected together and edited in fourteen volumes of Collected Writings. H.P.B. was with the Theosophical Society in India for about two years during which time her phenomena and contacts with the Masters were amply demonstrated. A number of people, however, even at Headquarters did not accept these manifestations as genuine. Furthermore, the phenomena were completely beyond the credence of the local church missionaries. Some letters purporting to come from H.P.B. addressed to members of the staff at Adyar clearly gave the impression that H.P.B.'s phenomena were based on deception. After a lengthy enquiry by an investigator from the Society for Psychical Research who relied much on adverse witnesses and a hand-writing expert he declared H.P.B. to be a fraud. This was in a document adopted by the S.P.R. which later became known as the Hodgson Report. It has been repudiated since by a number of investigators, latterly even by the S.P.R. One tragic outcome of the report was that H.P.B., who in any case at the time was in poor health, was advised to leave Adyar. After leaving India H.P.B. traveled to England via Germany and Belgium. During this time she was occupied as and when health and other circumstances permitted, in writing The Secret Doctrine which was published in 1888 in London. This was her most important theosophical work. It is an exposition of all of the Ancient Wisdom that the Masters were then prepared to make public. It is an enormous work in which 1,100 other works are referred to and in which ancient (and modern) religions and philosophies are explained and form a background to an immense system of knowledge of the whole universal scene and man in it. H.P.B. was miraculously kept alive by her Master on two or three occasions of dire illness, to complete the work which was followed two years later by The Key to Theosophy. On a number of occasions it was stressed that H.P.B. was the Masters' sole agent. With her departure from Adyar their influence there ceased. One consequence of this was that most of their Chelas 'disappeared' (including Damodar who never returned to the Society from Tibet). [Communication with Masters] We also have her positive statement that, should she for any reason cease to act as the Masters' agent, there would be no more contact with them (see M.L. 136, [Barker] 2nd and 3rd editions). All this seems to have been forgotten or ignored later. A number of people both within the Society and without, e.g. Alice Bailey, later claimed to have contact with the Masters and to have received communications from them. These communications, some of them very copious and impressive, were, however, received psychically or 'channeled': very importantly they were all uncorroborated. Communications through psychic mediums was not the method used by the Masters. These facts, the nature of the message and the special position of H.P.B., are of prime importance in the consideration of what followed in the early 20th century, of the present state of the Society and its successful launch into the 21st century. Annie Besant In the latter years of H.P.B.'s life a significant event was that Annie Besant was welcomed with open arms into the Theosophical Society by H.P.B. who saw in her an exceptional and able helper. She was later admitted to H.P.B.'s Inner Group of twelve. A reference to Annie Besant in The Mahatma Letters indicates that she was known to the Masters; however, there is no reference to her ever becoming a chela, although she did receive in 1900 what seems to be an authentic letter from the Masters. There is no other evidence, apart from her own inferences, that she had any contact with them. Had Annie Besant been a chela her 'magnetization' by Chakravati, ostensibly to 'align her principles', described in an eye witness statement (1895) by Dr Archibald Keightly, would have severed any relations she may have had with her Master. After H.P.B.'s death Annie Besant let it be inferred, in assuming the "Outer Headship" of the E.S., that she was in touch with the Masters. She also introduced Co-Masonry into England and associated it with the Theosophical Society, which, however, had been founded quite independently of any other organization. All international Presidents since have, however, held high office as Co-Masons. H.P.B. expressly stated that 'we do not meddle in politics ... ' yet Annie Besant's prime interest in India was political.' This is not in any way to say that she did not do an immense amount of good in establishing schools and colleges and altering social practices, but these activities are not specifically theosophical. Politics aims to change systems for the benefit of people; Theosophy aims to change people themselves for the long-term benefit of humanity itself. It is undeniable that in the early years of her membership of the Society,' Annie Besant was a powerful voice in the cause of Theosophy and its dissemination. This seems to have been foreseen by H.P.B. However, from the time of her 'magnetization' by Chakravati, it appears that, possibly still under his influence, she to a large extent espoused Hinduism. This is evident in her later writings to such a point that a major reference to Theosophy in the Encyclopedia Britannica is under the heading of Hinduism. Apart from Chakravati there is not much doubt that Annie Besant was later also much influenced by C.W. Leadbeater. He obviously prevailed upon her in the matter of the Liberal Catholic Church and in the Krishnamurti incident. C. W. Leadbeater C.W.L. joined the Society in 1883. He did not, unlike Annie Besant receive a welcome from H.P.B., nor was he admitted to her Inner Group. He was given some instruction by a regular chela at Adyar for a period and developed his clairvoyance but there is no reference that this relationship continued. He did receive a reply to his early communication with the Masters but there is no corroborative evidence that he ever had any more contact with them after these introductory letters. It also came to light that his veracity is much in question: his statements, for example, about his age, his family in South America, and his implying that he had been to Oxford as an undergraduate were discovered later to be false. In the light of what the Master K.H. said about God, religion and the priestly caste in Mahatma Letter X, had Leadbeater been a chela he could never have allied himself with the Liberal Catholic Church and certainly he could never have allowed himself to be made a Bishop and thereafter always dress as such. The Masters had said "Our chief aim is to deliver humanity of this nightmare ... etc. " (A personal God of Theology) (M.L. X, 2nd and 3rd editions). [ see M L, pp, 57-8 Barker Edn.] This is important in the light of C.W.L.'s later claims of an intimate and continued relationship with not only one but a number of Masters, even up to the highest in the Hierarchy from whom he claimed periodically to have received instruction in such matters as the upbringing of Krishnamurti. In the light of some of these supposed contacts e.g. Comte St Germain, Jesus, etc. the association of the Liberal Catholic Church with the Society was justified. However, both the Church and the CoMasons were representative of past dispensations. They both had their roots in ceremonial magic, the practice of which H.P.B. did not endorse on account of the possible dangers involved. In a letter which Damodar wrote to Sinnett, Masonry and Rosicrucianism were specifically forbidden (M.L. Old Edition No. 142A, Chronological No. 14A). During the founding of the Society it had been proposed that the Society might become Masonic. This was specifically decided against. Other behavior of the then leaders is also questionable. In view of H.P.B.'s sundry comments about Masonry (into which she was admitted on account of her knowledge of it, but never formally 'initiated'), having lost its secrets, how came it that the Leaders of the Society not only espoused Co-Masonry but the Egyptian Rite which C.W.L. together with a colleague in Australia had devised and which is still widely practiced by some members in the E.S.? Krishnamunti Krishnamurti was 'discovered' by C.W.L. in 1909. After many difficulties, including law suits, he and his brother were brought up by the Society. He was hailed as the future mouthpiece of the Lord Maitreya He was even seen as a second coming of the Lord. He was unusually gifted but it was C.W.L.'s 'insights' that initially established him in his role. The Lord Maitreya himself is supposed to have instructed C.W.L. in his upbringing and training. He was brought up and groomed in the fashion of an English gentleman, a far cry from a Hindu 'Avatar'. Those who had his upbringing and education in hand, notably C.W.L. and Dick Balfour-Clark, were very much second generation theosophists. Krishnaji therefore probably never knew anything of the H.P.B./Masters teachings. It is also very doubtful whether Krishnaji himself ever had a first-hand 'Master' experience although he did describe once having seen three Masters in a vision. Had he had a real experience, however, he could neither have forgotten it nor thereafter have doubted their existence and later have repudiated them. Furthermore, as Krishnaji's teachings of freedom, self-reliance, non-dependence on authority and institutions and so on, are all virtually in proper accord with the 'Master' Theosophy, there would not have been any reason for him to repudiate it, nor his connection with the Society. His loss was that he never became acquainted with the sea of theosophical knowledge which would to a large extent not only have justified his views but provided him with relevant data for use in his teaching, e.g. the difference between the personality and the individuality, the essential idea of Unity, and had he been interested, the proper nature of the Self, the total cosmic structure and processes. His 'launching' was a reversion again, as in the case of the Liberal Catholic Church and the Co-Masons, to the traditional old dispensation of an authoritarian regime. The second coming of the Christ was at that time (1920's) being regarded as imminent whereas, according to the Masters and theosophical teaching, such a 'second coming', i.e. the advent of an Avatar, was not expected for millennia. In any case the severance of the Society from the Masters made such a 'coming' into it extraordinarily unlikely. The arrogance of those who professed to be able to elect Krishnaji's twelve disciples was an example of the distorted view of themselves that those leaders had. Surely an 'Avatar' would have been quite capable of electing his own disciples. In any case in the nature of Karma his upbringing and earthly surroundings would have all been in proper accord without the interference of C.W.L. Many things are puzzling about Krishnaji's upbringing: one was that from reports kitchen staff at Adyar were changed because they were of the wrong caste. In a Society which specifically allows no such distinctions this is hard to understand. The recognition of Krishnaji's spiritual development from a clairvoyant examination of his aura when he was so young undoubtedly demonstrated C.W.L.'s possession of that faculty but this does not corroborate his claim to have received messages from the 'King of the World'. The 'finding' of Krishnaji, his upbringing and then adoption as a vehicle for the Lord-Maitreya was virtually the culmination of the 'split' from Master Theosophy. Krishnaji's repudiation of this position was a serious blow to Annie Besant who obviously believed absolutely sincerely in her announcement of the New Coming. C.W.L.'s reaction to this repudiation seems to have been more limited and far less painful than Annie Besant's although he suffered a loss of stature that he would otherwise have had as the finder, sponsor and educator of this new divine vehicle. After Krishnaji's withdrawal from the Society, Annie Besant also suffered a gradual diminution in stature and thereafter her health failed progressively. Second Generation Theosophy The fact that neither Annie Besant nor C.W.L., after maybe one or two initial incidents, was actually in touch with any Master although they may have genuinely believed they were has serious implications when considering what they said and did when they assumed positions of authority. The whole tenor of the Society thereafter was one of make-believe! It became a pantomime, largely devised and orchestrated by C.W.L.: a fairy story, but with a thread of truth running through it. Except for passing references to H.P.B. as 'our revered teacher', her literature as such was seldom referred to or studied. There was, however, a flood of literature purporting to be 'theosophical' from both Annie Besant and C.W.L., and later from others. C.W.L.'s writings were largely colored by his own real or imaginary clairvoyant insights and his interpretations of them. It is noteworthy here that, in the H.P.B./ Masters literature there is very little reference to, and no diagrams of, the Chakras so much featured by later writers. What little there is is in the papers to the Inner Group (incorporated by Annie Besant into her Vol III of the S.D. ) Whereas the Annie Besant and C.W.L. literature can be criticized from a purely theosophical point of view, much of -what Annie Besant wrote was significant spiritual instruction. It was, however, of the conventional, classical religious type, derived largely from the Indian scriptures but with a Christian and a 'theosophical' flavor. She had reviewed The Secret Doctrine at the time of its publication; this must have made a lasting impression on her but apart from acknowledging her debt to H.P.B., she seldom, if ever, specifically referred back to its teaching, or to that in The Key to Theosophy. C.W.L. seems never to have read either of these books. He puts himself in a very false position as an 'occult' author in the Introduction to his book The Astral Plane where he says that his manuscript was considered so excellent as an exposition that the Masters wanted it for their archives. It is difficult to see why this should be; much of the information given us in the book is at variance with their teaching and furthermore it is not clear, for example, which 'astral' plane he is describing, the H.P.B. or the A.B./C.W.L. one, the former being the 2nd plane of Nature and the latter being the 4th. There is also no mention of the 'etheric double' in the H.P.B./Masters classification of the human principles. It is to this double that C.W.L. ascribes many of the qualities that H.P.B. attributes to her astral body. The changes of numbering of the principles where Kama (emotion, desire) was put 2nd instead of 4th is important. An aid to the understanding of The Secret Doctrine is analogy and correspondences. In the Masters' literature Kama as the 4th principle is emphasized in the evolutionary stages of development in the 4th Round, the 4th Race, the 4th Substance, not the 2nd. One example of the extent to which the members of the Theosophical Society, from senior members to the newest, were 'infected' by C.W.L. is exemplified by Jinarajadasa's acceptance of the fact that C.W.L.'s Astral Plane manuscript had in fact been transmitted magically to the Masters. Obviously also Jinarajadasa's statement that he, in common with others, had had several initiations about which he knew nothing except what C.W.L. told him, again raises the question of C.W.L.'s veracity. As the years progressed the divergence between the H.P.B./Masters teachings and the second generation Theosophy widened; even basic information was changed, e.g. the introduction of the 'etheric double' (with four 'etheric' states of physical matter), the alterations to the classification of principles and planes, and the C.W.L. account of the after-death states which is quite different from that of the Masters, etc. The divergence of the two systems became clearly apparent with the publication of the Mahatma Letters in 1924/5. It was unfortunate that, for a number of reasons, their publication had been delayed till then. Apart from 'occult' material in them, these letters set a background of specific purpose to the founding of the Society. This was closely related to the Masters being regarded as one tier of membership in the Society, with their accepted Chelas as a second and the ordinary members a third. To begin with this was the case but it obviously ceased to be so on H.P.B.'s death (if not before). An attempt to reintroduce it by edict later was obviously spurious. The [Mahatma] Letters also describe in some detail the conditions that were essential for a relationship between the Masters and their Chelas. These conditions were very stringent, particularly regarding honesty and straightforwardness. In the period after H.P.B.'s death and with the withdrawal of the Masters once again into obscurity, instead of direct guidance from or association with the Master, even if it were visiting him in the Astral, the practice grew up of this being done indirectly. For example, people were taken to the Masters in their astral bodies for initiations etc., but about which next day they knew nothing apart from what they were told. In one or two places the Masters do say that this can happen in the matter of training but not by proxy. Further, initiations are matters of enhancement of waking consciousness and this can occur only when certain conditions created necessarily by the pupil, not someone on his behalf, have been met. The Present Regardless of the state of the Society, thanks to the Masters' insistence and help, and the sacrifices of H.P.B., the world and particularly the Society have a voluminous and authentic Initiate-Master-inspired literature. The Society itself is now a world-wide organization of an idealistic and benevolent nature, inspired by the idea of universal brotherhood, but the second and third objects are interpreted very loosely and widely to include anything from UFO's to what is generally extra- ordinary and sensational. All this, however, against a background of what might be termed 'religion' or spirituality, mostly by way of, for example, the Eastern exoteric scriptures and various ideas on Theosophy, methods of yoga and meditation. There is also in some places a strong adherence to the Liberal Catholic Church and Co-Masonry as if they were indeed part of the theosophical movement. In some places, notably Africa, the Theosophical Society is identified with the Theosophical Order of Service. Charity is impressed on every member through the brotherhood idea; there are however hundreds of charitable organizations to work for and there can be nothing special about the 'theosophical' one to warrant its association with the Society. Similarly the Round Table is an admirable organization but again nothing in it is specifically theosophical. Theosophical Science groups while keeping interested members informed of current scientific matters have seldom if ever related science to anything specifically associated therewith in the classical theosophical literature. Because some scientific members have found faults and inconsistencies in 'scientific' statements in the literature they have abandoned the whole grand theosophical system, demonstrating at least a lack of a sense of proportion. Where older Lodges have survived, and in Section central libraries, books on Theosophy on display or listed in catalogues, are mostly those of the second generation writers. Their contents on the whole are taken to be Theosophy without question. A few individuals try to correct this situation but their influence generally is very small. Only a scattered and desultory interest is paid to the classical 'theosophical literature of the H.P.B./ Masters era. The idea is widespread that the jealously guarded freedom of thought of members can mean that anyone's views or opinions about 'theosophy' can be put out as such. This was certainly the case in the early days of the 20th century. It was almost vehemently stressed then that there was no such thing as a definite 'theosophical' system of thought, knowledge or teaching. The great fear was of 'dogmatism'. This word, however, was, and still is in places, wrongly applied. A dogma means an obligatory belief and no such thing is imposed on Theosophical Society members. This does not mean that there are not authoritative statements of fact such as those given us by the Masters, who claim to know what they speak or write about, i.e. they are not speculating, voicing opinions or advancing theories. All beliefs concerning Theosophy and the Theosophical Society ought seriously to be questioned against what can easily be discovered of the original teachings and intentions for the Society. A serious perusal of The Key to Theosophy will do this. What is said above about 'make-believe' in the Society also applies to the E.S. The implied connection of it with the Masters through the Outer Head is an example. There is in fact no such connection. Furthermore, the implication by secrecy, or even privacy, that it possesses some esoteric knowledge which it can impart to members is also 'make-believe'. It makes an appeal to would-be aspirants to chelaship and imposes some preliminary disciplines but omits the necessity for hard work in studying and assimilating the eternal verities of Theosophy as given by the Masters. The Future First the Adyar Society must take an honest look, fearlessly, at the present position against the background outlined above. Loyalties to past leaders, to their personal influence and their teachings, must become secondary issues. This means an acknowledgment that all that happened to the Society as a result of C.W. Leadbeater's influence on it, directly or indirectly, his influence on Annie Besant and his enduring influence by way of his writings, is suspect. It must be recognized that these writings are 'theosophically' defective and misleading. Annie Besant's influence, by reason of her long term as President, must also be very objectively assessed. Whatever her personal integrity she was obviously misled and mistaken, witness the Krishnamurti fiasco, her espousal of Co-Masonry as part of the Theosophical Society and her handling of the Judge 'case' with its disastrous results. For most members a change of mind or basic beliefs will at best be painful and at worst difficult if not impossible. This means that only a section of the existing membership can, in the first instance at any rate, be expected to make any radical change, and this section will necessarily include E.S. members who will obviously have their loyalties but they will also presumably have acquired some self-reliance and have learned to think independently. Some members already have or will have difficulty with the question of their membership of the Liberal Catholic Church and CoMasonry in the light of their longstanding association with the Society. Many of these institutions have in fact been regarded as 'theosophical', even theosophy itself. However, it is necessary that the Society should formally declare that henceforth neither of them is really any part of, or has any special association with, the Theosophical Society. This does not mean that members are not free to join the Liberal Catholic or any other Church, or become Masons or members of any other institution they wish, provided that they are not inimical or antithetical to Theosophy, and still be members of the Society. The Society has its own special message to promulgate. This message only exists in the writings of H.P.B. and in the Mahatma Letters. This message in its completeness (as far as it was given out) is unique. The future direction of the Society must therefore include: 1) The eradication of the 'make-believe' Leadbeater influence - in all departments including literature, and severance from the Society of all other organizations, i.e. the Liberal Catholic Church and Co-Masonry. 2) A thorough examination of all literature purporting to be 'theosophical', and a brave declaration, and no further promotion, of any which is not wholly consonant with the original teachings. This is no proscription but all books purporting to be theosophical which strictly are not should be clearly labeled or marked that they are the author's views on the subject and not necessarily authentic. Members are, of course, free to read what they like but they can be warned, if not guided. The section in any Theosophical Society library purporting to be theosophical literature should be segregated from other material offered, be clearly marked and the books given prominence on book lists, catalogues, etc. 3) The retention and promotion of the three objects of the Society plus an active promotion of Theosophy as given by the Masters 4) At all Theosophical Society Centers, Headquarters, etc., there should be someone qualified to discuss Theosophy, say what it is, and recommend books to enquirers. This service should as far as possible be available at all times or a notice displayed as to where it can be obtained. 5) Commercialism in any form, i.e. book selling or publication as such, without specific reference to the promotion of a knowledge of Theosophy, is not part of the legitimate activities of the Society. 'Fringe' literature can be obtained in ordinary bookshops or from other organizations, e.g. the Arcane School, the Anthroposophical Society, etc. This recommendation is made with our second object specifically in mind. Study of comparative religion is encouraged by the Society but it does not have to publish or supply the books. 6) Professionalism in the society should be examined. Whereas 'goods and services' must obviously be paid for, Theosophy as such cannot be sold. Should exponents be paid? If so, to what extent? 7) Serious study of the 'prime' literature, whatever else is done in Lodges, at Centers, etc., should be encouraged and all facilities provided. Facilities should be provided for meditation - quiet and solitude if possible. Meditation should, however, be 'theosophical', i.e. classical (Patanjali), H.P.B. Diagram, or just silence, not according to local gurus and amateurs with 'special' methods, and never for money. 8) The Society will obviously need a group of students dedicated to the study of the literature and to the dissemination of what they discover both in the writings, and in themselves, as they progress. This can be supplied by some of the existing members of the E.S. At present there are no 'esoteric' leaders or teachers in the Society; it will therefore in this respect have to 'lift itself up by its own boot-laces' as the expression has it. There is no justification for secrecy within the E.S. or the Society but on occasion private members meetings could be efficacious for discussion, exchange of information, mutual encouragement, etc. There is obviously now no corporate connection with the Masters so that that 'make-believe' can be dispensed with. The E.S. study should be confined to the Master or H.P.B. writings. The Society has no other Initiate-inspired literature. Where the E.S. members feel they need inspirational literature apart from books like The Voice of the Silence, Light on the Path and some of the classical mystical works like The Bhagavad-Gita, as this is a personal matter they should be free to discover their own. Discrimination as to what is consonant with theosophical teachings will grow. Let students beware of self-styled teachers and of themselves posing as such. They will know when they really are qualified - they will have been 'authorized'. Let none pretend. 9) The Society's relation to 'computerization', the Internet, etc., needs serious examination and Sections given guidelines. About Theosophy H.P.B. used the words Occultism, Esotericism, Esoteric Science, etc., as synonymous with Theosophy. In The Secret Doctrine she states several times that some of the teaching given there had never been made public before. These statements indicate that the teachings included more material than was contained in any published religious or philosophic literature. This distinction has been almost entirely overlooked. The great Hindu scriptures have been taken virtually to be Theosophy. Initiated Brahmins know this is not the case but they keep their esoteric knowledge to themselves. This was the position when H.P.B. made some of that knowledge public: it was much resented even -by Subba Rao whose Master incidentally was the same as H.P.B.'s. All extant scriptures are exoteric even though in their mystical content they reflect much of what is in Theosophy. Such treatises as The Bhagavad-Gita, the Puranas, many Sufi writings and other world acknowledged scriptural writings are beautiful and inspiring, potentially capable of leading aspirants on to the highest experiences. Neither they nor Hinduism nor Buddhism, in their published form, are 'esoteric', nor of course is the now published The Secret Doctrine except that its prolonged study changes our modes of thinking and understanding, giving us insights we could otherwise not get. What do the theosophical writings include that others do not? While the differences might appear superficial in themselves, in their totality they are not. For example, the Hindu system is fivefold, as far as the human principles and the skandhas are concerned, whereas the theosophical system is sevenfold. The planes of Nature are sevenfold, with each having a corresponding level of consciousness. In Theosophy Karma is a comprehensive Law applying universally, not just to human beings by way of reward or retribution. Theosophy contains the vast evolutionary scheme by Chains, Globes, Rounds and Races which process by analogy applies to all manifest things, e.g. all those 'things' comprising the kingdoms of Nature. Incidentally, properly there are no 'things'; every 'thing' is a life. Some 'esoteric' systems of the past, notably the original Kabala, had reflections, in some instances almost exact, of the theosophical scheme, but they were neither so comprehensive nor so explicit. In The Secret Doctrine for e