From Drpsionic@aol.com Sun Feb 01 08:52:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6582 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2004 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 16:52:37 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.7a.4fe14ead (4560) for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:52:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7a.4fe14ead.2d4e88c4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:52:20 EST To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.104 From: Drpsionic@aol.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Charles W. Leadbeater on "Mars and Its Inhabitants" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162 X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano In a message dated 2/1/04 9:58:49 AM Central Standard Time, stevestubbs@yahoo.com writes: << Given that none of WC's drivel squares with what we know to be true about Mars, what does that say about WC's great "clairvoyance"? >> That it obviously did not work very well at long range. Maybe he needed etheric bifocals. Chuck the Heretic From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 19:24:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57176 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 03:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 03:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40907.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.204) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 03:24:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20040202032306.10970.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.9.20.19] by web40907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:23:06 PST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:23:06 -0800 (PST) To: "Daniel H. Caldwell" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.78.204 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" Subject: Theosophy or NeoTheosophy? Reprint of ORIGINAL edition. . . .Unabridged X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell We have reprinted in pdf format the ORIGINAL, unabridged edition of: THEOSOPHY OR NEOTHEOSOPHY? compiled by Margaret Thomas Section 1. Differences in Teaching Section 11. Immorality in the Theosophical Society Section 111. The Case Against Annie Besant Sections 11. and 111. contain controversial material. See: http://blavatskyarchives.com/tontitlepage.pdf ===== Daniel H. Caldwell BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER/BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES http://blavatskyarchives.com/introduction.htm -------------------------------------------------------------- "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 2 -------------------------------------------------------------- You can always access our main site by simply typing into the URL address bar the following 6 characters: hpb.cc See also THEOSOPHY: FROM LONG-SEALED ANCIENT FOUNTAINS http://www.theosophy.info/ -------------------------------------------------------------- From compiler@wisdomworld.org Mon Feb 02 05:24:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: compiler@wisdomworld.org X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63421 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 13:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 13:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ams005.ftl.affinity.com) (216.219.253.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 13:24:14 -0000 Received: from wisdomworld.org ([68.55.92.204]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with ESMTP id <3676575-17900>; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:22:23 -0500 Message-ID: <401E4F1B.264FA41C@wisdomworld.org> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:22:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.219.253.151 From: Compiler Subject: "STUDIES IN THE OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY" (36-part series) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46028585 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_compiler_wisdomworld I hope that many readers, especially newcomers to theosophy, will find this 36-part series of articles from THEOSOPHY magazine to be very informative and useful: http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/StudiesInTheOceanOfTheosophy/index.html If for some reason the link is broken because of its length, this shorter link is to the 3rd of 18 sections on the "Additional" articles Index page that is entitled "PROFOUND & HELPFUL COMMENTARY ON THEOSOPHICAL BOOKS". The link to the "Studies in The Ocean of Theosophy" series is the 2nd one that's listed in it: http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/index.html#3 ================================================== Dear newcomers to Theosophy: I sincerely do hope that my web site offers a well-rounded overall view of Theosophy and the Theosophical Movement. The 3 main links to everything on it are found below. Please know that I'm only the compiler of all the articles found on my web site; I'm not a scholar; and also that I personally do not like to take part in conversations, even though I do hope that what I present from time to time will help a little in the discussions being carried on by others. So please do not be insulted when I do not respond if someone addresses me, or addresses anything that is found in any of the articles on my web site; I leave that for others to deal with if they want to -- whether pro, con, neutral, friendly or unfriendly. John DeSantis (Compiler) ------- You may find a great deal of the Truth that you are searching for here: WisdomWorld.org web site (Main Page): http://www.wisdomworld.org This is the Index page of the "Introductory", "Setting the Stage" book, which was especially compiled for newcomers to Theosophy: http://www.wisdomworld.org/setting.html The page where "Additional" articles are slowly being added (which contains 18 sections that can each be clicked on at the top of the page in order to go directly down to them, as well as to get the link to any particular section that you may want to use in a posting on a discussion board, or in an e-mail to someone): http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/index.html "PUBLIC & PRIVATE ENTERPRISE DEVELOPMENT FORUM": This next link is to the most updated version of my economic proposal to humanity, a practical project to help our suffering world that I also consider to be Theosophical. In it you will find a new and unique, but mostly unknown, economic system model that might be able to put an end to involuntary poverty on earth. How? It presents a way to fully finance everything of importance that is needed in every nation. Because of this it's well worth pointing to. Please note that, for strategic reasons, of wanting it to have the best chance of being accepted by all peoples worldwide, no matter what their religious, philosophical, and scientific beliefs are, I've put it on a completely different web site; it contains no mention of, or link to, the Theosophy and the Theosophical Movement that is presented on my WisdomWorld.org web site: http://www.PublicAndPrivateEnterprise.org ------- From stevestubbs@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 08:38:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stevestubbs@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4990 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 16:37:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:37:35 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7a.4fe14ead.2d4e88c4@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 906 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "stevestubbs" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.225.229 Subject: Theos-World Re: Charles W. Leadbeater on "Mars and Its Inhabitants" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7712190 X-Yahoo-Profile: stevestubbs --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@a... wrote: > In a message dated 2/1/04 9:58:49 AM Central Standard Time, > stevestubbs@y... writes: > > << Given that none of WC's drivel squares with what we know to be true > about Mars, what does that say about WC's great "clairvoyance"? > >> > > That it obviously did not work very well at long range. > > Maybe he needed etheric bifocals. > > Chuck the Heretic Now that WC no longer exists and therefore cannot entertain us with his baloney they publish books pretending that the Cottingley fairies were real and not an exploded hoax at all. The bookseller I got my copy from put it in shrink wrap along with a cassette tape. When I played the tape it had a laugh track on it. Apparently that was an "extra" deom the bookseller and not provided by the publisher. U assumed the person laughing considered himself to e a book critic. From samblo@cs.com Mon Feb 02 08:53:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Samblo@cs.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5683 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 16:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 16:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 16:53:22 -0000 Received: from Samblo@cs.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id r.157.2cc1359d (4402) for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:52:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <157.2cc1359d.2d4fda64@cs.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:52:52 EST To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10512 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.136.162 From: samblo@cs.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Charles W. Leadbeater on "Mars and Its Inhabitants" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27151446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, Hmmm, how do we know whether or not is really might have been a lauging Fairy? He he. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stevestubbs@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 11:27:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: stevestubbs@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56862 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 19:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 19:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 19:27:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2004 19:26:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:26:34 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <157.2cc1359d.2d4fda64@cs.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 215 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.100 From: "stevestubbs" X-Originating-IP: 63.188.192.148 Subject: Theos-World Re: Charles W. Leadbeater on "Mars and Its Inhabitants" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7712190 X-Yahoo-Profile: stevestubbs --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, samblo@c... wrote: > Steve, > Hmmm, how do we know whether or not is really might have been a > lauging Fairy? He he. The question is not who was laughing but at whom? From th.paijmans@wxs.nl Mon Feb 02 12:48:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: th.paijmans@wxs.nl X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2041 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 20:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 20:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp10.wxs.nl) (195.121.6.35) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 20:48:35 -0000 Received: from wxs.nl (ipd50af872.speed.planet.nl [213.10.248.114]) by smtp10.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HSH00AZG5BN8Y@smtp10.wxs.nl> for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:38:12 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:40:52 +0100 In-reply-to: To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <401EB5D4.3080703@wxs.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) References: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.121.6.35 From: Theo Paijmans Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Charles W. Leadbeater on "Mars and Its Inhabitants" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52269294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All I have to add to this little thread here is a quote by Charles Fort: "People were made to believe properly and people believed properly" Theo stevestubbs wrote: >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, samblo@c... wrote: > > >>Steve, >> Hmmm, how do we know whether or not is really might have been a >> lauging Fairy? He he. >> >> > >The question is not who was laughing but at whom? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From key8l@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 13:52:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: key8l@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86731 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 21:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 21:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20025.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.225.36) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 21:52:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20040202215228.27847.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.173.51.203] by web20025.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:52:28 PST Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:52:28 -0800 (PST) To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.136.225.36 From: "K. Michael" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173045995 X-Yahoo-Profile: key8l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope i am not false interpriting the wish for knoweldge this group has, In my veiwing of the world there are no exceptions or limitaions only false or limited perceptions I am at best unfamiliar with Theosophy, It is fairly new to the world of collective thought yet i see it may just be the reason people are claiming independence from what they call religious or any other type of oppression In a way that can make sence why I might seem hard to follow at times with what i am speaking about is because I look for those whom are indeed in search for answers and not just claiming help that they can give themselves If you can follow along with what i say then you really do "seek" and not just hope I speak in small narative fragments that touch base on known events irregardless of time, for the importance of said events is still in it's prime condition to be an example to any given situation i might encounter in instances such as these here is the interesting part and the great challenge before you siftly so i can decide wethere your claims are real or your just waisting time My knowledge comes from the collection of memories of all events these memories are what is real, and the physicalness is just the representaion of just that these pure memories hold the value and meaning as a whole the reason why we all strive to acomplish anything in our lives as it may apear the only significance this has to us is to (hopefully) clairify ones own exhistance so that it may remain a whole and not impart So i come to answer any question that might arise to those whom wish to seek only so i may gain insight to my own worth and to see... well what i need to see as im sure none of you would understand what that would be And as I have questions about "theosophy in general" I hope that I have found what i was looking for seeming this whatever it is boasts the sybol of my name clear as day not that im complaining any but my first question is for people who claim no denomonation it sure as seems you claim that symbol real fast now to aviod getting answers i already know i see this as simply stated you should believe in this (from what i read so far): "there is truth to every story"< i notice that the meaning to the word sotry has changed again) "the principles for exhistance rely soley on fundimental truth which cannot be changed without changing the nature of exhistance in its entirety, thusfore preserving the "natural" state of being" "contradiction only is present to hide an aspect of perception that does not want to be found" now seeming this establishment has hit so close to home i find it fitting to proclaim the truth to watch you naturally deny it even while caliming to be so open I am a living saint retired archangel (hint: thats one way of looking at it) why do i use catholosism as a guide? because it is the most well known the catholic church self proclaims that it will be judged right along with everything else so i dont think a disscusion about how wrong they are is in order i already know how wrong they are ;) what i wish with no bias or ill will to what i've protected for the last two milenniums [sorry i cant spell] I just want to talk with "thinkers" which are so hard to find these days I wish to relax and stretch out myself and my abuntant knowledge I use simple vocabulary as you might have noticed the world is not as complicated at one might think its not like technology now i can say i've seen everything and done everything but thats just a waist of time because you would even know what i was talking about so first maybe someone might tell me im in the right place? would you consider the possibility to writing to the one who made the ankh? lol I'll expect your denial shortly but first one thought for those who might be interested Rule No.1 - There are no rules aka the first rule to knowing anything, is to admit you know nothing at all aka [relating that action itself is the will of knowledge 'becoming'] the only way your free to do anything, is to lose everything aka the only way to win is to lose self admitance that everything that was created before you could even make a rule is enough! then hence forth the guide and key to knowledge goes bakwards from this point of self awareness and is a personal journey for each individual all the way as far as they can go i will say no further until a reasponse M. ==================================== Kronah Yahoo Profile Web Site --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bill_meredith@earthlink.net Mon Feb 02 14:17:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_meredith@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96555 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 22:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 22:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.248) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 22:17:37 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool39-31.nas1.albany1.ga.us.da.qwest.net ([65.137.39.31] helo=skate0w5w4rmsg) by razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AnmNm-00003Y-00 for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:17:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c3e9da$5c96e0c0$1f278941@skate0w5w4rmsg> To: References: <20040202215228.27847.qmail@web20025.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:17:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-ELNK-Trace: aeda9581e82e22886a67a78112ff260e74bf435c0eb9d47832a50e9c2fbc553ce4c395931bdfcf953b5efdd33357ec02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.121.248 From: "Bill Meredith" Subject: Re: Theos-World (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=131669976 X-Yahoo-Profile: bilmeredith Welcome to theos-world piano player. (May I call you that?) I hope you find what you are looking for. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Michael" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: Theos-World (unknown) > I hope i am not false interpriting the wish for knoweldge this group has, > > In my veiwing of the world there are no exceptions or limitaions > only false or limited perceptions > > I am at best unfamiliar with Theosophy, It is fairly new to the world of collective thought > yet i see it may just be the reason people are claiming independence from what they call religious or any other type of oppression > > In a way that can make sence why I might seem hard to follow at times with what i am speaking about > is because I look for those whom are indeed in search for answers and not just claiming > help that they can give themselves > If you can follow along with what i say > then you really do "seek" and not just hope > > I speak in small narative fragments that touch base on known events irregardless of time, > for the importance of said events is still in it's prime condition to be an example to any given situation i might encounter in instances such as these > > here is the interesting part and the great challenge before you > siftly so i can decide wethere your claims are real > or your just waisting time > > My knowledge comes from the collection of memories of all events > these memories are what is real, and the physicalness is just the representaion of just that > these pure memories hold the value and meaning as a whole the reason why > we all strive to acomplish anything in our lives > as it may apear the only significance this has to us is to (hopefully) clairify ones own > exhistance so that it may remain a whole and not impart > > So i come to answer any question that might arise to those whom wish to seek > only so i may gain insight to my own worth and to see... well what i need to see > as im sure none of you would understand what that would be > > And as I have questions about "theosophy in general" I hope that I have found what i was looking for > seeming this whatever it is boasts the sybol of my name clear as day > not that im complaining any > but my first question is > for people who claim no denomonation > it sure as seems you claim that symbol real fast > > now to aviod getting answers i already know > i see this as simply stated > you should believe in this (from what i read so far): > "there is truth to every story"< i notice that the meaning to the word sotry has changed again) > "the principles for exhistance rely soley on fundimental truth which cannot be changed without changing the nature of exhistance in its entirety, thusfore preserving the "natural" state of being" > "contradiction only is present to hide an aspect of perception that does not want to be found" > > now seeming this establishment has hit so close to home i find it fitting to proclaim the truth > to watch you naturally deny it > even while caliming to be so open > I am a living saint retired archangel (hint: thats one way of looking at it) > why do i use catholosism as a guide? > because it is the most well known > the catholic church self proclaims that it will be judged right along with everything else > so i dont think a disscusion about how wrong they are is in order > i already know how wrong they are ;) > what i wish with no bias or ill will to what i've protected for the last two milenniums > [sorry i cant spell] > I just want to talk with "thinkers" which are so hard to find these days > I wish to relax and stretch out myself and my abuntant knowledge > I use simple vocabulary as you might have noticed > the world is not as complicated at one might think > its not like technology > now i can say i've seen everything and done everything > but thats just a waist of time because you would even know what i was talking about > > so first maybe someone might tell me im in the right place? > would you consider the possibility to writing to the one > who made the ankh? > lol > I'll expect your denial shortly but first one thought for those who might be interested > Rule No.1 - There are no rules > aka the first rule to knowing anything, is to admit you know nothing at all > aka [relating that action itself is the will of knowledge 'becoming'] > the only way your free to do anything, is to lose everything > aka > the only way to win is to lose > > self admitance that everything that was created before you could even make a rule is enough! > then hence forth the guide and key to knowledge goes bakwards from this point of self awareness and is a personal journey for each individual > all the way as far as they can go > > i will say no further until a reasponse > M. > > > ==================================== > Kronah > Yahoo Profile > Web Site > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Michael" X-Originating-IP: 152.163.252.132 Subject: Re: Theos-World (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=173045995 X-Yahoo-Profile: key8l Wow, well im impressed already. Hello Billm sure you can call me piano player but it's been a long while since the moonlight... I pray I do too. --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Meredith" wrote: > Welcome to theos-world piano player. (May I call you that?) I hope you find > what you are looking for. > > Bill From k.hesselink@home.nl Tue Feb 03 07:26:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: k.hesselink@home.nl X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10527 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 15:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 15:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 15:26:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2004 15:26:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:26:07 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "Katinka Hesselink" X-Originating-IP: 217.121.208.124 Subject: Re: Annie Besant and Giordano Bruno X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165183470 X-Yahoo-Profile: katinka_hesselink I think it's still in print and available from the theosophical bookstores. Katinka --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "mahmut sansal" wrote: > > Hello > > I am searching book of annie besant about Giordano Bruno:Theosophy's Apostle in the Sixteenth Century. > If any of you have this book in digital format please send me. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 From krishtar_a@brturbo.com Tue Feb 03 08:25:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: krishtar_a@brturbo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12676 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4.brturbo.com) (200.199.201.180) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from versus (200-180-079-019.bnut37003.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.180.79.19]) by smtp4.brturbo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 43DFD34133 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:22:53 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <003d01c3ea72$3d3ec100$0301010a@versus> To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:54:18 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 200.199.201.180 From: "krishtar" Subject: Re: Theos-World Annie Besant and Giordano Bruno X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=162542652 X-Yahoo-Profile: krishtar_a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi On line versions of this book I don=B4t know...Unless you cannot pay for it= , it is still avaiable through Quest books, Amazon.com and other bookstores= . It is not out of print. Krishtar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mahmut sansal=20 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: Theos-World Annie Besant and Giordano Bruno Hello=20 I am searching book of annie besant about Giordano Bruno:Theosophy's Apos= tle in the Sixteenth Century. If any of you have this book in digital format please send me.=20 ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=3D27005 =20=20=20 Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: theos-talk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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This is one of those articles that should be read and re-read by all serious students on this subject. I find that much confusion arises from demonizing thought forms without any differentiation to thought forms that are picked up from the Kama Rupa and thought forms picked up elsewhere. So one thinks all thought forms are bad. >From experience, I find everything is thought at a higher frquency. Lower frequencies move slower, hence physical reality seems more solid as it is changing at a slower rate. This is simply because there is more inertia. Another confusion is that all thought forms are projected from the Kama Rupa, which is false. In most of us, perhaps this is true, but only to a certain extant. We have various levels of control over this facility. But some people learn to control and be aware of their projections by recieving higher frequency influences. This probably would not make much sense until one experiences it. The easiset method is to be aware of how you use your environment in a symbolic way, learning how physical objects are just vehicles for inner workings. So I hope people read this article by Wadia, as it is very good. Thanks again. Ariel --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Dallas TenBroeck" wrote: > Sunday, February 01, 2004 > > "The Mind is the great slayer of the Real" > > Dear Friends: > > To me this appears to indicate that the VOICE OF THE SILENCE is an > important study in the probations of chelaship -- on the Path of > Occultism. > > > In recent days some discussion concerning this topic arose and various > opinions were offered. Here is one that seem very useful to us to > consider: -- > > > "THE MIND IS THE GREAT SLAYER OF THE REAL" > > > The asceticism which The Voice of the Silence advocates is that of the > thinking principle - the withdrawal of the mind from its present > position in which it is a slave. > > The mind is a victim of internal images composed of elemental-lives > which form the desire-principle, and these awaken the senses to activity > and make them the feeders of that principle. Man's objective world is > but a reflection - a shadowy emanation - of this subjective plane of > desire-images. > > In the waking state of consciousness man does not live in the world of > the mind but in that of the senses ensouled by desires within which the > mind is captive. Man's so-called reasoning is not a pure activity > engendered by the mind but is premised on sense- impressions which are > permeated by desires. > > Even men of Science in using their minds proceed from sense-data to > deductions, and, though in most of them personal desires in connection > with the objects of observation are in abeyance, they yet suffer from > their dependence on desire-shot senses. The eyes of a drunken man see > things askew: the mind of one who in drawing his conclusions depends on > the senses fraught with the desire-principle also sees askew. > > Sense-data to be true and sense-observations to be accurate must be > devoid of the forces of the desire-principle. When Esoteric Philosophy > calls the world of objects illusory it means that it is so not in the > sense that the objects do not exist but in the sense that our valuation > of them is false. The objective world may well be compared to a great > bazaar in which desire-enslaved minds, not knowing the true prices of > things, are taken in, have to bargain, to haggle and to wrangle for > things needed and have to be tempted to want and to acquire other > things. The mind thus exploited in the bazaar of the objective world > gains experience and learns to evaluate each object at its proper worth, > and then - and not before then - man begins to live in that world. > > Our difficulty, then, as will be readily seen, does not inhere in the > objects but in our ignorance of the true values of those objects, due to > our desires in which the mind is imprisoned. Desires by themselves, > unaided by the power of thought, would be innocuous; energized by it > they make man the worst of the animal kingdom. > > Therefore our textbook [the "Voice"] calls this mind the Slayer of the > Real and at the very outset gives the injunction to the Disciple to slay > the Slayer. It also states the method - "become indifferent to objects > of perception." This mind, captivated by desire, which courses in the > nervous system of the body, is called the chief of the senses, and it is > this mind-sense which makes man different from the animal - capable of > becoming superior to it as also of developing into the most cunning and > the most carnal of beasts. > > [7] Having become indifferent to objects of perception, the pupil must > seek out the Rajah of the senses, the Thought- Producer, he who awakes > illusion. The Mind is the great Slayer of the Real. Let the Disciple > slay the Slayer. > Voice, pp. 1-2 ULT; 1 TUP > > It is the activity of this mind in the objective world which has first > to be handled by the aspirant-chela. Unless we see that these objects > become channels, offer food to internal images and help to satisfy our > cravings we shall not be able to evaluate them correctly. We value an > object in terms of the satisfaction or the delight which it gives to our > desire-fraught senses. This is the cause of illusion which is ignorance > - not total absence of knowledge but the false evaluation of objects, > mistaking lust for love. > > If thou would'st cross the first Hall safely, let not thy mind > mistake the fires of lust that burn therein for the sunlight of life. > [pp. 7; 6] > > The Thought-Producer" makes love out of lust and when this is seen in > actual life-experience a real step forward is taken by the practitioner. > When this is seen the weakness of the world of objects compared to the > strength of the world of images is recognized. It is this seeing, when > not understood, which tempts the aspirant to run away from the world to > the jungle. > > When a seeker after the Light within sees the activity of the outer > world of objects he naturally attempts to close the windows through > which the objects attack him. In that retreat, psychological or > physical, a short respite from that attack is all that he obtains. Very > soon he locates the root of his trouble: the attraction or the aversion > which the objects exert over him are not in the external objects but in > the internal images - memory pictures of the past, not only of this life > but also of previous incarnations. > > Withhold thy mind from all external objects, all external > sights. Withhold internal images, lest on thy Soul-light a dark shadow > they should cast. > [pp. 20; 19] > > This is the formidable work compared to which retreating from the > objects of the senses is easy. If in the first exercise the chela learns > the illusory nature of the objective world, now he encounters the > delusive nature of his own subjective world. Looking for the God within > he comes upon the devil; seeking soul- light, he finds darkness - so > thick that he does not realize that it is a shadow. "O dark, dark, dark, > amid the blaze of noon." [Milton, Samson Agonistes line 80] It is in > that dark that we meet our fancy-created idols, our thought-created > images, our desire-created phantoms. > > But that darkness has the peculiar power of deluding our consciousness. > Very soon the sphere of darkness looks to us the region of pearly light > - of soothing, restful, twilight sleep. The Maya of the objective world > is but an effect caused by the Moha-delusion of this sphere of > self-created subjectivity, lighted up by human passions. > > This is the world of Probationary Learning, which the Chela has to > abandon, [8] and he cannot do so till he understands it. The first real > pitched battle of the greatest of all wars is in this region, called the > Astral Light. When the Power of his Vow, made in the objective world, > stirs in him, the fighter in the Astral Light feels that he is in a > place where he ought not to be; that he must not listen to the sounds of > these images, but to the word of the Soul within. > > Theoretically every student knows that Lower Manas is different from > Higher Manas, that Kama-Manas is demoniac and Buddhi-Manas divine. But > the truth has to be experienced and we know the nature of the Soul's > mind when we overthrow some of the enemy troops, i.e., when we destroy > some of our thought-created images. > > The great temptation for the Probationary Chela issues forth from the > enhanced sense-delight when the plasticity of astral light is handled > and absorbed; it is like the exhilarated state of the person who has > just taken strong drink. Often, instead of fighting right away the > already created images, he falls prey to the temptation of creating new > ones. In the objective world we have to control the wandering mind, but > here we have to fight the creative mind. Thus come a period of intense > fight, and victory ensues when the soldier-soul has grasped this truth: > > Ere thy Soul's mind can understand, the bud of personality must > be crushed out; the worm of sense destroyed past resurrection. [pp. 13; > 12] > > The grasping of this truth means that the Probationer has seen that he > is other than the Personality, that the worm which early and late feeds > upon the senses, once crushed, would lead to the death of the separative > and ever-separating self which makes the Personality the supreme enemy. > The glimpse of the Soul which uncovers the inimical nature of the > Personality makes the fighting Probationer take refuge in that Inner > Soul. And this implies some knowledge of the nature and the powers of > that Soul. > > Silence thy thoughts and fix thy whole attention on thy Master, > whom yet thou dost not see, but whom thou feelest. [pp. 17; 16] > > Thyself and mind, like twins upon a line, the star which is thy > goal burns overhead. [pp. 21; 19] > > THE MASTER IS THE HIGHER SELF, "the equivalent of Avalokitesvara, and > the same as Adi-Budha ... Christos with the ancient Gnostics." [3fn.; > 73-4 note 4] > > Unless this Master is felt as a Presence in Hall the second, that of > Probationary Learning, entrance into the third, the Hall of Wisdom, > remains closed. It is through the mind of the Soul that we touch the > radiance of the God within, and it is through contact with the great > Gurus that we touch the radiance of the God within Nature - Compassion > Absolute. > > When the mind-activity is silenced, the soul, aided by the Light of the > Spirit, perceives itself as distinct and separate from the mind. Freed > from Kama, it sees the possibility, nay, the certainty of a perfect > unison with its Star - its Father in Heaven. In the translucent lake of > the pure mind the star in high heaven reflects itself, and even that > reflected [9] influence stirs the mind to behold the glory that is - the > greater glory to be. It is not sufficient to silence the thoughts; it is > necessary to perceive the Star of Hope - the PARENT STAR, THE > DHYANI-BUDDHIC SOURCE OF OUR EXISTENCE. > > The obliterating of the internal images is the same as crushing the > craving for sensuous existence. The process demands that we centre our > attention on the inner Light. But turning away from internal images is > not to be accompanied by turning away from the objective world. To be in > the midst of objects but not to be their slave makes the fight a long > one; for, in the long past we have created a whole army of personal > thought-images; by our moods we have given birth to a brood of vices; by > our mental indulgence we have committed many sins. One by one we have to > slay them. > > Woe, then, to thee, Disciple, if there is one single vice thou > has not left behind ... . Woe unto him who dares pollute one rung with > miry feet ... .His sins will raise their voices like as the jackal's > laugh and sob after the sun goes down; his thoughts become an army, and > bear him off a captive slave. > [Voice, pp. 16-17; 15-16] > > This does not mean that the Probationer is expected to be flawless ere > he starts, but he has to learn and attain purity ere he passes through > the Golden Gate into the Hall of Wisdom, and has won the right to abide > therein permanently. > > As a Probationer he has his day when he basks in the radiance of the > Spiritual Sun, and then his night - the dark night of the Soul, during > which his mind-sins laugh the jackal's laugh which is the cry of agony, > terrifying to him, tempting him to his fall, nay, to his very doom. The > jackals move in packs and therefore are able to hunt down sheep and even > antelopes. When unable to obtain living prey they feed on carrion, and > cunningly they follow cheetahs and even lions in order to finish the > carcass after the latter have eaten their fill. > > The comparison of our lower thoughts to jackals is most apt, for they > attack in packs our high thoughts and our noble aspirations, and when > they cannot prey upon these living images they sniff out slumbering and > dying ones and gorge on the latter - a phenomenon which is related to > precipitation of Karma and the like. Also, like the jackal, our lower > thought-images have an offensive odour, for they, too, like the jackal, > secrete foulness from the base of their tails. > > Now, we are told how we should deal with these our past creations: > > One single thought about the past that thou hast left behind > will drag thee down and thou wilt have to start the climb anew. Kill in > thyself all memory of past experiences. Look not behind or thou art > lost. [pp. 18; 16-17] > > If we do not choke off the memory of the past, if we dwell in it, we > re-live the past subjectively and rejuvenate the thought- images. But > now we have increased our power of thought and so those images express > themselves more strongly. All students of Theosophy know that a [10] > storehouse of past Karma exists, but all do not know that in the > subjective realm ghosts and elementaries of dead objective actions often > work havoc. > > The last quotation of the first Fragment of our textbook that we should > consider is this: > > Before the path is entered, thou must destroy thy lunar body, > cleanse thy mind-body, and make clean thy heart. [pp. 12; 11] > > In a footnote H.P.B. explains that the astral form produced by Kama has > to be destroyed. The Kama-rupa, ordinarily, is formed after the death of > the body and ere the Ego goes into Devachan, freeing itself from that > form. > > But in the life of the Probationer, as he enters the kingdom of the > quickened, leaving behind that of the dead, there is the Kama-rupa > phenomenon related to that of the Dweller on the Threshold. > > The quickened soul becomes consciously alive when, by chasing away from > the field of the mind all Kama-fed thought-images, he begins to live by > the power of the clean heart, i.e., by the influence of Buddhi. For this > dual process - dispersing the Kama-rupa and awakening Buddhi so that it > can ensoul Manas, the objective world proves of great benefit. > > The objective world of actions is not only valuable for enabling us to > compare, to contrast and discriminatively to learn to concentrate, but > it also proves a most helpful sphere when the strife of the subjective > kind is on, of which mention is made above. > > The way the Probationer has to learn to make use of the objective world > is through the right performance of duty. Duty is the axis round which > his objective world rotates: mistakes made about Duty, neglect of or > dilatoriness in that which should be done, undertaking that which is not > our business, etc., all become sins of omission and of commission. > > If a Probationer is rightly busy with real duty he finds no time for > "mischief" - unconsciously done. Furthermore when attacks come from the > subjective side of his lower nature, a wise engagement of the senses and > the brain in objective functioning weakens the attack. > > Occultism advocates that we do not strengthen the enemy by brooding > about him, nor by directly fighting him. Take no particular notice of > the enemy, but keep the consciousness busy with protective and > profitable mental and physical work. > > No Probationer can meditate and study hours on end and therefore calls > of mundane duty like the earning of livelihood, etc., are highly > beneficial and very necessary. Not the invention of special work but the > doing of what there is to do expands the field of duty till humanity > becomes our family and the world our country. Duty is the Divinity that > shapes our objective world to perfection: Duty is the God of the > objective world - that is the Truth: > > OM TAT SAT. > > [ by B. P. Wadia] > ========================================= > > Best wishes > > > Dallas From dalval14@earthlink.net Tue Feb 03 12:15:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63391 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 20:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 20:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.248) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 20:15:48 -0000 Received: from pool0548.cvx30-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.142.38] helo=DALLAS) by razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Ao6xQ-00014t-00; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:15:41 -0800 To: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:15:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3ea92$7de5c1c0$268eb3d1@DALLAS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: c552449649a8b16d1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7991041a0145cc162a59cfadb3d767950f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.121.248 From: "Dallas TenBroeck" Subject: RE: Re: theologian -- Path of Least Resistance ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573 X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 Feb 3 2004 Path of Least Resistance ? Dear Friends: In presenting THEOSOPHY for our consideration, Mme. Blavatsky offers a wider view. Let me try and present what I have gleaned from its study: Could we not say that the "Path of least resistance" is the way in which we seek to understand the concatenation (Nidana) of certain related events?=20=20 Essentially, can we say, it relates to the way in we "feel" about our life, its problems, aims, and procedures. To what extent does our consideration extend to the needs and well-being of others -- our wide circle of family, friends, acquaintances and others known and unknown all around us? Would this attitude not take us some distance out of the purely selfish consideration? Would it cause us to wonder if we have responsible relations with others?=20=20 If these are worth considering, then we need to find some way of establishing reasonable values for them. Has this been done? Is there such a scale?=20=20 If we look on the concept that in our Universe everything is interrelated then this mysterious "path" is the Karma of sensitivity. If "sensation" such as we know it relates to a state of "feeling," then those who pursue or follow it look for ease and pleasure. But, strangely, a small voice (perhaps it is conscience ?) intrudes and says: 'Is there more to your life than your ease and amusement ?" Can you find a room for that which is not always "pleasant ease," and "nasty duty?" So what is "duty?" Is it something we can volunteer in our relations with others? Is it also perhaps something more subtle? We know that physical life is related to sentiment and to a moral sense of responsibility. Our minds are able to deduce how these factors operate. If our Universe and environment offer us life-support, do we owe any reciprocity?=20 THEOSOPHY states that there is a law of reciprocity, a debt everyone incurs because of the support they receive from nature in the way of air, water, food, shelter, companionship. It further states that it is in existence as manifestation and as an opportunity for evolution to encourage everyone of us to become wiser and assist it in its incessant work. It further states that every being from the infinitesimal "atom" to the utmost reach of the Galaxies is united by a life-force that serves to unify the bond of common sentiment and cooperation. One word expresses this: Brotherhood. It would seem, if this is reasonable, that the more we know about ourselves (as 7-fold beings), as "eternal Pilgrims," as deathless ever-reincarnating Egos, as our living in a universe that runs under laws of companionship and sharing, that we cannot indulge in contemplating and working for an endlessness of ease.=20=20 These are some of the thoughts that arise in considering this "path of least resistance" concept. Perhaps there are other views? Best wishes, Dallas =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Wheeler [mailto:ultinla@juno.com]=20 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:58 PM To: study@blavatsky.net Subject: [bn-study] Re: theologian If we are SUPER careful not to mix the "path of least resistance" with the "path of expedience" then I would agree that the Masters and their Mouthpiece, HPB, followed the line of least resistance ---provided one looks at it from above --- but who can? So, from our everyday plane HPB was confronted with adversarial forces on every hand --- not the least of which was her own pupils!!! If you get everyone totally upset and freaked out --- that is no proof that you are not followed the "Path of least resistance." Narada starts wars and puts and end to them and brings out the worst in people sometimes ---- why, because he is progress personified, the Master of the Cycles. Lightning follows the "line of least-resistance" Reincarnation "follows the line of least resistance" but the theological path is in error at the beginning and in error at the end!! because it begins and ends by critiquing a thing that has already happened.=20=20 Jw =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:40:43 -0500 "Zakk Duffany" writes: > I would like to present a perspective to the phrase of "path of=20 > least > resistance". > To resist is to "withstand or oppose". This can be in the physical ,=20 > mental, > or > emotional areas. To substitute resistance with another word, it=20 > could be > said > "the path of least opposition". To not resist or oppose, is to=20 > accept. > Therefore, > to change the phrase from stated in a negative connotation to a=20 > positive > one, > it could be stated "the path of acceptance". To continue in this=20 > line of > thinking, > one can take a path of not resisting, take a path of accepting. The=20 > next > step of going further could pose a question, what does this entail?=20=20 > To > accept > others as they are. To accept others in their appearance, their=20 > thoughts, > and > their ways. This does not mean to agree. When one accepts others in=20 > this > manner, > one does not get angry with others, nor dissappointed in others, nor=20 > any of > the "negative" aspects it can otherwise cause. Therefore one stays > clearheaded, > without the negative influences. Thoughts, emotions, and actions are=20 > not > "clouded". > One stays on a clear path. Acceptance is not only of others, but=20 > also of > events > and situations. When one follows the path of least resistance, one=20 > follows > the path of clarity, which brings about understanding. > One can accept another without agreeing with another. One can=20 > confront > another while still accepting the way another is. One can try to=20 > change > things in which one does not agree with, and still be accepting with=20 > the > way things are in the present. Differences are a part of this world,=20 > it is > the way one reacts or responds to them on a personal (inner) basis=20 > that > defines whether one follows "the path of least resistance". > It can be difficult to express some thoughts/concepts into words. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:52 PM > Subject: [bn-study] Re: theologian >=20 >=20 > > Peter, while it is obviously true that HPB > > probably assisted in creating resistance in > > the sectarianists and Scientists of her day, > > none the less, that resistance was a product > > of entrenched positions and self imposed > > elitism on the part of those who resisted > > her message so strongly. But, apparently > > there is a time and a place for that from > > the perspective of her teachers. And the time > > and the place for "battle" was in HPB's time > > and place. So, I am going to let her off of the > > the hook in regards to her style. > > In the case of the issue at hand, I was > > adopting HPB's style in the Key to Theosophy > > where she comes out so sensitvely about how > > we need to not let our meager understanding > > of karma stand in our way, when it comes to > > helping those in need. In this sense "the > > path of no resistance" means just simply > > lending a hand when it is possible. To do > > that we need to step out from under the > > Theosophical intellectual umbrella, by which > > we are probably protecting ourselves from the > > world, and simply pay attention to what is > > going on around us. > > Steve > > > > > > From: "peter.m" > > > Date: 2004/01/27 Tue PM 12:13:46 EST > > > To: study@blavatsky.net > > > Subject: [bn-study] Re: theologian > > > > > > H.P.B.'s perspective on this is that > > > the presentation of Theosophy needs to be > > > a long the lines of the path of least resistance. > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > This must have been one of those "do as I say, not do as I do" > statements of > > > HPB's!! > > > > > > I liked what you suggested to L.R. I sometimes facilitate=20 > workshops > for > > > people from different spiritual backgrounds exploring the nature=20 > of > > > spirituality, the nature of 'the journey' & so on. I tend to=20 > find that > > > when we explore what is 'meaning-full' to us, perhaps in a=20 > 'sensed' or > more > > > 'experiential' kind of way, we discover a great deal of common=20 > ground > > > beneath the different forms of language and expression. This=20 > common > ground > > > - or should I say, un-common ground - has a way of undermining=20 > the > notion of > > > one person teaching another, or knowing more than others. There=20 > is more > of > > > a sense of standing on the same soil. > > > > > > best, > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > >=20 From mhart@idirect.ca Tue Feb 03 15:20:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mhart@idirect.ca X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90896 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 23:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gatekeeper.look.ca) (207.136.80.8) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 23:20:19 -0000 Received: from on-osh-ap3-04-14.look.ca ([216.154.45.157] helo=idirect.ca) by gatekeeper.look.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ao9q4-0001CK-In for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:20:16 +0000 Message-ID: <40202D0A.6080902@idirect.ca> Disposition-Notification-To: Mauri Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:21:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mhart@idirect.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on filter2.look.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.0 required=6.9 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=2.61 X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.0 (built Mon Jun 2 17:21:47 GMT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.136.80.8 From: Mauri Subject: re "self-knowledge," science, and ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60894584 X-Yahoo-Profile: sunzenn The following from Jung's THE UNDISCOVERED SELF might interest student's of Theosophy. <<<<