From global-theosophy@adslhome.dk Sun Jun 01 00:22:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@adslhome.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40486 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 07:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 07:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pfepb.post.tele.dk) (193.162.153.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 07:22:49 -0000 Received: from kidhr (unknown [80.164.78.209]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B58C35EE16F for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:22:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c3280e$1d293980$d14ea450@opasia.dk> To: References: <1e3.a183657.2c0ad313@cs.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World The child genius - an initiate ? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:19:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=106996622 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Hi John and all of you, My views: Yes. I noticed a fellow called Kyron. But he doesn't seem quite reliable on Public Relations. This Kyron seems to support an accused child-molester from India. This makes the situation tricky. The Waldorf-schools seems also involved some how. More light ?! from M. Sufilight with peace ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:54 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World The child genius - an initiate ? > Morten, > Use "www.google.com" as your search engine. Use the Keys words; > "Indigo Children". There are many pages of listing for Indigo > Children > Websites on Google. > > BTW, I did see and tape an entire Magazine Report on the young boy > you > indicated, he is truly amazing for his age. I think it was a segment > on > "60 Minutes" allthough I might be wrong. > > John > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From dalval14@earthlink.net Sun Jun 01 03:22:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1297 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 10:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 10:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 10:22:30 -0000 Received: from pool0202.cvx16-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.50.202] helo=earthlink) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19MPyo-0004rz-00; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 03:22:23 -0700 To: "AA-BN--Study" Subject: RE: Lucifer's latest trick...? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 03:23:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <008101c327bb$c9f2b540$d14ea450@opasia.dk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573 X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 Sunday, June 01, 2003 Dear Friend: In my studies in Theosophy I came across some interesting definitions that help understand these questions (see below). No one can deny freedom to others. No one can do another's study and decision making for them. Hence each is free to decide their own course of action. As an example: take our universal experience in school and later in life work. All we have become is a result of our choices and taking advantage of the opportunities offered. Somethings we used and others we rejected. It is important to review this: acceptance, use and rejection. Why did we act in such a way ? This reveals to us our own nature and character. It is futile to blame others. WE ARE, ETERNALLY, THE FREE CHOOSERS. If someone tries to "lead" then those who choose to follow abrogate their decision making faculty for some reason that THEY CHOOSE Perhaps we ought to reexamine these choices and the nature of the "leader" we elected to "follow." However I find that Theosophy teaches: Consistently and forever, WE MAKE OURSELVES -- by our choices. It is also one of the proofs of our Divine Nature as immortal Egos. And the fact that Nature supports us, and this present life, is a part of the universal "School curriculum." The "School" in which we all are, today, in the bodies that are now ours, enable us to learn and determine our own speed and rate of learning. If we are stupid, or ignorant, we have only ourselves to thank. But we also have the power to change that. Don't we? Our Immortal Self has to power to know everything, given time to learn -- as in many lives, and also the power to change our way of life if we will it. But we cannot blame others! Note that it is our memory, used every day that alters. WE DO NOT ALTER, the memory and our usage of it does. The rules and laws of the Universe are ancient and consistent in this as in other matters. They arrange for the improvement and education of all beings (immortal Monads). We are an example of one of these ETERNAL AND IMMORTAL UNITS that has reached the stage of self-consciousness and self-choosing. Where do we go from here? The progress that the ONE desires -- as of good will to all -- BROTHERHOOD -- is at the root of all Theosophical metaphysics and work. It reflects the condition of the UNIVERSE as always in action towards general and individual improvement, as one in which the acquiring of wisdom is encouraged. It also implies justice, mercy, generosity, charity and compassion. The Universe readjusts distortions and disharmonies by means of HARMONY which is impartial and ever-acting KARMA. We in fact can be said to live in a harmony of discords. In Theosophy no one is a "Leader" save H P B and the Masters. We are all student/teachers, offering what we have learned, so that others might review that and perhaps build upon it. I believe the following statements, culled from various Theosophical texts may be answers to some of your observations. But do check them out for coherency and meaning. I will be glad to answer any questions that arise, if I can. ----------------------- "...THERE IS ONE ABSOLUTE REALITY which antecedes all manifested, conditioned, being. This Infinite and Eternal Cause--dimly formulated in the "Unconscious" and "Unknowable"...is the rootless root of "all that was, is, or ever shall be." It is of course devoid of all attributes and is essentially without any relation to manifested, finite Being. It is "Be-ness" rather than Being (in Sanskrit, Sat), and is beyond all thought or speculation...Thus, then, the first fundamental axiom of the Secret Doctrine is this metaphysical ONE ABSOLUTE--BE-NESS--symbolized by finite intelligence as the theological trinity." Secret Doctrine I p. 14 "THE CAUSES OF EXISTENCE...refers to the last Manvantara, or age of Brahmâ, but the cause which makes the Wheel of Time and Space run into Eternity, which is out of Space and Time, has nothing to do with the finite causes or what we call the Nidanas...This one eternal causeless and therefore "causeless cause" is immutable and has nothing to do with the causes on any of the planes which are concerned with finite and conditioned being. The cause can therefore by no means be a finite consciousness or desire. It is an absurdity to postulate desire or necessity of the Absolute; the striking of a clock does not suggest the desire of the clock to strike...the Absolute containing both clock and Winder, once it is the Absolute; the only difference is that the former is would up in Space and Time and the latter out of Space and Time, that is to say, in Eternity...Parabrahm is not a cause, neither is there any cause that can compel it to emanate or create. Strictly speaking, Parabrahm is not even the Absolute, but Absoluteness. Parabrahm is not a cause, but causality, or the propelling but not volitional power, in every manifesting Cause. We may have some hazy idea that there is such a thing as this eternal Causeless Cause or Causality. But to define it is impossible..." Trans. 40-1 "...to the follower of the true Eastern archaic Wisdom, to him who worships in spirit nought outside the absolute Unity, THAT EVER PULSATING GREAT "HEART" THAT BEATS THROUGHOUT, AS IN EVERY ATOM OF NATURE, each such atom contains a germ from which he may raise the Tree of Knowledge, whose fruits give life eternal and not physical life alone...the Force which directs its [the seeds'] growth, the ever mysterious, as the ever unknown...THIS IS THE ONLY FORCE THAT HAS A REALITY FOR HIM, AS IT IS THE NEVER-DYING BREATH OF LIFE." SD II 588-9 "EVERY LIVING CREATURE, OF WHATEVER DESCRIPTION, WAS, IS, OR WILL BECOME A HUMAN BEING IN ONE OR ANOTHER MANVANTARA." Trans. 23 "FREE WILL CAN ONLY EXIST IN A MAN WHO HAS BOTH MIND AND CONSCIOUSNESS, which act and make him perceive things both within and without himself." Trans. 25 "...OUR EGO IS A RAY OF THE UNIVERSAL MIND, individualized for the space of a cosmic life-cycle, during which space of time it gets experience in almost numberless reincarnations or rebirths, after which it returns to its Parent-Source. The Occultist would call the "Higher Ego" the immortal Entity, whose shadow and reflection is the human Manas, the mind limited by its physical senses. The two may be well compared to the Master-artist and the pupil-musician...In the course of natural evolution our "brain-mind" will be replaced by a finer organism, and helped by the 6th [Buddhi] and the 7th [Atma] senses..." Theos. Articles & Notes, p. 208 "THE HUMAN BRAIN IS AN EXHAUSTLESS GENERATOR OF THE MOST REFINED QUALITY OF COSMIC FORCE out of the low, brute energy of Nature; and the complete adept has made himself a center from which radiate potentialities that beget correlations upon correlations through AEons of time to come.' Theos. Art. & Notes, p. 291 "...WE ALL REGARD OURSELVES AS UNITS, ALTHOUGH ESSENTIALLY WE ARE ONE INDIVISIBLE UNIT, drops in the ocean of Being, not to be distinguished from other drops. Having then produced this cause, the whole discord of life follows immediately as an effect; in reality it is the endeavor of nature to restore harmony and maintain equilibrium. It is the sense of separateness which is the root of all evil." Trans. 30 "OUR "MEMORY" IS BUT A GENERAL AGENT, and its "tablets," with their indelible impressions, but a figure of speech; the "brain-tablets" serve only as a upadhi or a vahan (basis or vehicle) for reflecting at a given moment the memory of one or another thing. The record of past events, of every minutest action, and of passing thoughts, in fact, are really impressed on the imperishable waves of the Astral Light, around us, and everywhere, not in the brain alone; and these mental pictures, images, and sounds, pass from these waves in the consciousness of the personal Ego or Mind (the lower Manas) whose grosser essence is astral, into the "cerebral reflectors," so to say, of our brain, whence they are delivered by the psychic to the sensuous consciousness. This at every moment of the day, and even during sleep." Theos. Articles & Notes, p. 209 "The term "Pantheism" is again one of...many abused terms, whose real and primitive meaning has been distorted by blind prejudice and a one-sided view of it. If you accept the Christian etymology of this compound word, and form it of pan, "all," and theos, "god," and then imagine and teach that every stone and every tree in Nature is a God or the ONE God, then...you will...make of Pantheists fetish-worshipers, in addition to their legitimate name. But you will hardly be as successful if you etymologize the word Pantheism esoterically....WHEN WE SPEAK OF THE DEITY AND MAKE IT IDENTICAL, AND HENCE COEVAL, WITH NATURE, THE ETERNAL AND UNCREATE NATURE IS MEANT, AND NOT YOUR AGGREGATE OF FLITTING SHADOWS AND FINITE UNREALITIES...Our DEITY is neither in a paradise, nor in a particular tree, building, or mountain: it is everywhere, in every atom of the visible as of the invisible Cosmos, in, over, and around every invisible atom and divisible molecule; for IT is the mysterious power of evolution and involution, the omnipresent, omnipotent, and even omniscient creative potentiality." Key To Theosophy, pages 63-4 "Pantheism may be "physically rediscovered." It was known, seen, and felt by the whole of antiquity. Pantheism manifests itself in the vast expanse of the starry heavens, in the breathing of the seas and oceans and the quiver of life of the smallest blade of grass. PHILOSOPHY REJECTS THE ONE FINITE AND IMPERFECT GOD IN THE UNIVERSE...It repudiates in its name of Philo-Theo-Sophia the grotesque idea that infinite, Absolute Deity should, or rather could, have any, whether direct or indirect, relation to finite evolutions of matter, and therefore cannot imagine a universe outside that Deity, or the latter absent from the smallest speck of animate or inanimate substance." Secret Doctrine I, 533 ----------------------- You seem to adopt the commonly accepted meaning for "Lucifer." Here is what Theosophy says: ----------------------- "Lucifer," is the pale morning-star, the precursor of the full blaze of the noon-day sun--the "Eosphoros" of the Greeks. It shines timidly at dawn to gather forces and dazzle the eye after sunset as its own brother "Hesperos"--the radiant evening star, or the planet Venus. No fitter symbol exists for the proposed work [of Theosophy] -- that of throwing a ray of truth on everything hidden by the darkness of prejudice, by social or religious misconceptions; especially by that idiotic routine in life, which, once that a certain action, a thing, a name... Such an endeavour then, to force the weak-hearted to look truth straight in the face, is helped most efficaciously by a title belonging to the category of branded names... So deeply rooted, indeed, is this preconception and aversion to the name of Lucifer--meaning no worse than "light-bringer" (from lux, lucis, "light," and ferre "to bring")1--even among the educated classes, that by adopting it for the title of their magazine the editors have the prospect of a long strife with public prejudice before them...how came Satan to be called a light-bringer, unless the silvery rays of the morning-star can in any way be made suggestive of the glare of the infernal flames. It is simply, as Henderson showed, "one of those gross perversions of sacred writ which so extensively obtain, and which are to be traced to a proneness to seek for more in a given passage than it really contains--a disposition to be influenced by sound rather than sense, and an implicit faith in received interpretation"... A glimpse into the real and primitive character of Lucifer can do them no harm and may, perchance, cure them of a bit of ridiculous prejudice. They ought to study their Homer and Hesiod's Theogony if they would do justice to Lucifer, "Eosphoros and Hesperos," the Morning and the Evening beautiful star... But their sacred writ is the first to contradict their interpretations and the association of Lucifer, the Morning Star, with Satan. Chapter XXII of Revelation, verse 16th, says: "I, Jesus . . . am the root. . . and the bright and Morning Star" "early rising"): hence Eosphoros, or the Latin Lucifer. The or probrium attached to this name is of such a very late date, the Roman Church found itself forced to screen the theological slander behind a two-sided interpretation--as usual. Christ, we are told, is the "Morning Star," the divine Lucifer; and Satan the usurpator of the Verbum, the "infernal Lucifer." "The great Archangel Michael, the conqueror of Satan, is identical in paganism with Mercury-Mithra, to whom, after defending the Sun (symbolical of God) from the attacks of Venus-Lucifer, was given the possession of this planet, et datus est ei locus Luciferi And since the Archangel Michael is the 'Angel of the Face,' and 'the Vicar of the Verbum' he is now considered in the Roman Church as the regent of that planet Venus which 'the vanquished fiend had usurped'." Angelus faciei Dei sedem superbi humilis Obtinuit, says Cornelius à Lapide (in Vol. VI, p. 229). This gives the reason why one of the early Popes was called Lucifer, as Yonge and ecclesiastical records prove. It thus follows that the title chosen for our magazine is as much associated with divine and pious ideas as with the supposed rebellion of the hero of Milton's "Paradise Lost." By choosing it, we throw the first ray of light and truth on a ridiculous prejudice which ought to have no room made for it in this our "age of facts and discovery." We work for true Religion and Science, in the interest of fact as against fiction and prejudice. It is our duty, as it is that of physical Science--professedly its mission--to throw light or facts in Nature hitherto surrounded by the darkness of ignorance And since ignorance is justly regarded as the chief promoter of superstition, that work is, therefore, a noble and beneficent work But natural Sciences are only one aspect of SCIENCE and TRUTH. Psychological and moral Sciences, or theosophy, the knowledge of divine truth, wheresoever found, are, still more important in human affairs, and real Science should not be limited simply to the physical aspect of life and nature. Science is an abstract of every fact, a comprehension of every truth within the scope of human research and intelligence. "Shakespeare's deep and accurate science in mental philosophy" (Coleridge), has proved more beneficent to the true philosopher in the study of the human heart--therefore, in the promotion of truth--than the more accurate, but certainly less deep, science of any Fellow of the Royal Institution. Those readers, however, who do not find themselves convinced that the Church had no right to throw a slur upon a beautiful star, and that it did so through a mere necessity of accounting for one of its numerous loans from Paganism with all its poetical conceptions of the truths in Nature, are asked to read our article "THE HISTORY OF A PLANET." -- H P B [ From: WHAT'S IN A NAME ? Lucifer, Sept 1887. ] --------------------------------- Best wishes, Dallas ================================ -----Original Message----- From: Morten Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:30 PM To: Subject: Re: Lucifer's latest trick...? Hi Dallas and all of you, My views: Thanks for your kind and well put answer. BUT - according to me, - The wise adepts of wisdom sort of "elects" Kings, Popes, Presidents and political leaders - chairmen and chairwoman as well - even if they themselves are not aware of it. This can be done by stimulating certain energies at the right time and place under given circumstances. Sometimes, they don't interfer and sometimes they do. And always with the heart of compassion. So clever is the wise, that it is no match for the less developed mind and intellect to understand - the law of Karma and the Free-will issues involved. My knowledge is: Before we incarnate - there has been laid a time-space plan so to speak for what we are going to experience. This plan is in a quite special manner moving through time - and therefore sort of 'changes' while we incarnate. One could say, that our free-will are as high as our combined level of consciousness and compassion. And yet in fact it is all there - for everyone to see, exactly what the future brings - if they have the heart of compassion to do that. The word "development" is a term, which fits the lower or even higher mental mind, depending on the readers view. On the highest levels of consciousness - the term "development" is not the issue of importance. The term "development" has then been transcended. That is what I know. My view: "Lucifer" is in this case the one who tempts the seeker to promote war ! Lucifer is also 'something' else. How does Theosophy as a Organisation create peace by continuing with Business as usual - day after day ? I just don't get it. Something has to happen. Something has to happen with the Bailey groups and their dangerous almost Jesuitic manners. HPB would certainly have reacted to such a newsletter as the one in mention: http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/nl/2003/2/index.shtml (Lucis Trust - Newslettter no. 2, year 2003) Maybe this could spark something: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-am1.htm ("Letter to the Second Annual Convention 22-23. april 1888" by HPB). Quoting the fitting words above: "It must be remembered that the Society was not founded as a nursery for forcing a supply of Occultists -- as a factory for the manufactory of Adepts. It was intended to stem the current of materialism, and also that of spiritualistic phenomenalism and the worship of the Dead. It had to guide the spiritual awakening that has now begun, and not to pander to psychic cravings which are but another form of materialism. For by "materialism" is meant not only an anti-philosophical negation of pure spirit, and, even more, materialism in conduct and action -- brutality, hypocrisy, and, above all, selfishness -- but also the fruits of a disbelief in all but material things, a disbelief which has increased enormously during the last century, and which has led many, after a denial of all existence other than that in matter, into a blind belief in the materialization of Spirit. " And today we have the Tarot Cards, the crystal gazings, the 14-days-get-clairvoyant-exercises, and clairvoyant-sceances etc... And the Journalists and the public ? - They love it ! (I.e. "Do'nt think", "Relax - enjoy - we will do the thinking for you". And the politicians always talking about war - make it important). Theosophy ? Well, the journalists have never heard of it. And often they find the issue boring. You see: Journalists does'nt seem to like spiritual moral ! But HPB knew how to provoke people - and get their attention. Theosophists of today ? Do they know how to do that ? No ! The most of them look like the Sad Faced United, - always at the bottom not getting any points. They should instead laern something about giving to others what they need - something about how to promote Theosophy. What happens today ? The Theosophical leaders - says: Let us promote Theosophy. And then they do --- eeehm NOTHING ! Allright: They promote some few phamplets - and very discrete place them together with the hundred others from other organiztions !!! Maybe they are often to few - and can't agree upon anything - not even the pamphlets. So nothing happens. You will have to agree, - That is NOT promotion ! If seven men and women at a meeting about, what to do about the sinking ship - can't find a solution - then they are stupid. S - T - U - P - I - D. And if they hav'nt seen, that the ship is sinking - they are ignorant. And just like other past organizations it will wanish. And another word more fitting will be used by the masters of wisdom. Ignorants are not fit as leaders of A true Theosophical Society. from M. Sufilight with peace and love... From global-theosophy@adslhome.dk Sun Jun 01 05:19:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@adslhome.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91491 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 12:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 12:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pfepb.post.tele.dk) (193.162.153.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 12:19:47 -0000 Received: from kidhr (unknown [80.164.78.209]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D0045EE170 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:19:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c32837$99844280$d14ea450@opasia.dk> To: References: Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Lucifer's latest trick...Part 1 of 2 ? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:16:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=106996622 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Hi Dallas and all of you, My views: Well, what can I say Dallas ? Thanks for your answer in the below. Why such a long answer ? 1. But, you didn't directly answer - any - of my questions - in the previous email. Maybe that is a bad habit of yours ? Well, only maybe... 2. First: What is the difference between a leader or a teacher ? We are all leaders, teacher and students - that is my view. Some ignorants even think, they are not so. But they are. 3. And you, by understandable reasons, misunderstand, what I am referring to, when talking about, that the wise ones "elects" Kings, Popes, and various leaders. Yes. Everyone has a choice. That is a obvious truth. But, does the wise ones not from time to time interfer with a strong heart of compassion - so that your choices get limited or enhanced - for reasons you - at the time - don't know of ? I truely know, that it is so ! That also happens to upcoming Kings and Popes and various leaders. Sometimes Karma is difficult to understand. Especially if the understanding needed requires a higher level of consciousness, than one at present has access to. What if ten troublemakers ties your hands and legs with a robe - is it then your own choice ? I do'nt think so ! from M. sufilight with peace and love... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "AA-BN--Study" Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Theos-World RE: Lucifer's latest trick...? > Sunday, June 01, 2003 > > Dear Friend: > > In my studies in Theosophy I came across some interesting > definitions that help understand these questions (see below). > > No one can deny freedom to others. > > No one can do another's study and decision making for them. > > Hence each is free to decide their own course of action. > > As an example: take our universal experience in school and later > in life work. All we have become is a result of our choices and > taking advantage of the opportunities offered. Somethings we > used and others we rejected. It is important to review this: > acceptance, use and rejection. Why did we act in such a way ? > This reveals to us our own nature and character. > > It is futile to blame others. WE ARE, ETERNALLY, THE FREE > CHOOSERS. If someone tries to "lead" then those who choose to > follow abrogate their decision making faculty for some reason > that THEY CHOOSE Perhaps we ought to reexamine these choices and > the nature of the "leader" we elected to "follow." > > However I find that Theosophy teaches: > > Consistently and forever, WE MAKE OURSELVES -- by our choices. > > It is also one of the proofs of our Divine Nature as immortal > Egos. And the fact that Nature supports us, and this present > life, is a part of the universal "School curriculum." The > "School" in which we all are, today, in the bodies that are now > ours, enable us to learn and determine our own speed and rate of > learning. If we are stupid, or ignorant, we have only ourselves > to thank. But we also have the power to change that. Don't we? > > Our Immortal Self has to power to know everything, given time to > learn -- as in many lives, and also the power to change our way > of life if we will it. But we cannot blame others! Note that it > is our memory, used every day that alters. WE DO NOT ALTER, the > memory and our usage of it does. > > The rules and laws of the Universe are ancient and consistent in > this as in other matters. They arrange for the improvement and > education of all beings (immortal Monads). We are an example of > one of these ETERNAL AND IMMORTAL UNITS that has reached the > stage of self-consciousness and self-choosing. Where do we go > from here? > > The progress that the ONE desires -- as of good will to all -- > BROTHERHOOD -- is at the root of all Theosophical metaphysics and > work. It reflects the condition of the UNIVERSE as always in > action towards general and individual improvement, as one in > which the acquiring of wisdom is encouraged. It also implies > justice, mercy, generosity, charity and compassion. The Universe > readjusts distortions and disharmonies by means of HARMONY which > is impartial and ever-acting KARMA. We in fact can be said to > live in a harmony of discords. > > In Theosophy no one is a "Leader" save H P B and the Masters. We > are all student/teachers, offering what we have learned, so that > others might review that and perhaps build upon it. > > I believe the following statements, culled from various > Theosophical texts may be answers to some of your observations. > But do check them out for coherency and meaning. I will be glad > to answer any questions that arise, if I can. > > ----------------------- > > "...THERE IS ONE ABSOLUTE REALITY which antecedes all manifested, > conditioned, being. This Infinite and Eternal Cause--dimly > formulated in the "Unconscious" and "Unknowable"...is the > rootless root of "all that was, is, or ever shall be." It is of > course devoid of all attributes and is essentially without any > relation to manifested, finite Being. It is "Be-ness" rather > than Being (in Sanskrit, Sat), and is beyond all thought or > speculation...Thus, then, the first fundamental axiom of the > Secret Doctrine is this metaphysical ONE > ABSOLUTE--BE-NESS--symbolized by finite intelligence as the > theological trinity." Secret Doctrine I p. 14 > > > "THE CAUSES OF EXISTENCE...refers to the last Manvantara, or age > of Brahmâ, but the cause which makes the Wheel of Time and Space > run into Eternity, which is out of Space and Time, has nothing to > do with the finite causes or what we call the Nidanas...This one > eternal causeless and therefore "causeless cause" is immutable > and has nothing to do with the causes on any of the planes which > are concerned with finite and conditioned being. The cause can > therefore by no means be a finite consciousness or desire. It is > an absurdity to postulate desire or necessity of the Absolute; > the striking of a clock does not suggest the desire of the clock > to strike...the Absolute containing both clock and Winder, once > it is the Absolute; the only difference is that the former is > would up in Space and Time and the latter out of Space and Time, > that is to say, in Eternity...Parabrahm is not a cause, neither > is there any cause that can compel it to emanate or create. > Strictly speaking, Parabrahm is not even the Absolute, but > Absoluteness. Parabrahm is not a cause, but causality, or the > propelling but not volitional power, in every manifesting Cause. > We may have some hazy idea that there is such a thing as this > eternal Causeless Cause or Causality. But to define it is > impossible..." Trans. 40-1 > > > "...to the follower of the true Eastern archaic Wisdom, to him > who worships in spirit nought outside the absolute Unity, THAT > EVER PULSATING GREAT "HEART" THAT BEATS THROUGHOUT, AS IN EVERY > ATOM OF NATURE, each such atom contains a germ from which he may > raise the Tree of Knowledge, whose fruits give life eternal and > not physical life alone...the Force which directs its [the > seeds'] growth, the ever mysterious, as the ever unknown...THIS > IS THE ONLY FORCE THAT HAS A REALITY FOR HIM, AS IT IS THE > NEVER-DYING BREATH OF LIFE." SD II 588-9 > > > "EVERY LIVING CREATURE, OF WHATEVER DESCRIPTION, WAS, IS, OR WILL > BECOME A HUMAN BEING IN ONE OR ANOTHER MANVANTARA." Trans. 23 > > > "FREE WILL CAN ONLY EXIST IN A MAN WHO HAS BOTH MIND AND > CONSCIOUSNESS, which act and make him perceive things both within > and without himself." Trans. 25 > > > "...OUR EGO IS A RAY OF THE UNIVERSAL MIND, individualized for > the space of a cosmic life-cycle, during which space of time it > gets experience in almost numberless reincarnations or rebirths, > after which it returns to its Parent-Source. The Occultist would > call the "Higher Ego" the immortal Entity, whose shadow and > reflection is the human Manas, the mind limited by its physical > senses. The two may be well compared to the Master-artist and > the pupil-musician...In the course of natural evolution our > "brain-mind" will be replaced by a finer organism, and helped by > the 6th [Buddhi] and the 7th [Atma] senses..." Theos. Articles & > Notes, p. 208 > > > "THE HUMAN BRAIN IS AN EXHAUSTLESS GENERATOR OF THE MOST REFINED > QUALITY OF COSMIC FORCE out of the low, brute energy of Nature; > and the complete adept has made himself a center from which > radiate potentialities that beget correlations upon correlations > through AEons of time to come.' Theos. Art. & Notes, p. 291 > > > "...WE ALL REGARD OURSELVES AS UNITS, ALTHOUGH ESSENTIALLY WE ARE > ONE INDIVISIBLE UNIT, drops in the ocean of Being, not to be > distinguished from other drops. Having then produced this cause, > the whole discord of life follows immediately as an effect; in > reality it is the endeavor of nature to restore harmony and > maintain equilibrium. It is the sense of separateness which is > the root of all evil." Trans. 30 > > > "OUR "MEMORY" IS BUT A GENERAL AGENT, and its "tablets," with > their indelible impressions, but a figure of speech; the > "brain-tablets" serve only as a upadhi or a vahan (basis or > vehicle) for reflecting at a given moment the memory of one or > another thing. The record of past events, of every minutest > action, and of passing thoughts, in fact, are really impressed on > the imperishable waves of the Astral Light, around us, and > everywhere, not in the brain alone; and these mental pictures, > images, and sounds, pass from these waves in the consciousness of > the personal Ego or Mind (the lower Manas) whose grosser essence > is astral, into the "cerebral reflectors," so to say, of our > brain, whence they are delivered by the psychic to the sensuous > consciousness. This at every moment of the day, and even during > sleep." > Theos. Articles & Notes, p. 209 > > > "The term "Pantheism" is again one of...many abused terms, whose > real and primitive meaning has been distorted by blind prejudice > and a one-sided view of it. If you accept the Christian > etymology of this compound word, and form it of pan, "all," and > theos, "god," and then imagine and teach that every stone and > every tree in Nature is a God or the ONE God, then...you > will...make of Pantheists fetish-worshipers, in addition to their > legitimate name. > > But you will hardly be as successful if you etymologize the word > Pantheism esoterically....WHEN WE SPEAK OF THE DEITY AND MAKE IT > IDENTICAL, AND HENCE COEVAL, WITH NATURE, THE ETERNAL AND > UNCREATE NATURE IS MEANT, AND NOT YOUR AGGREGATE OF FLITTING > SHADOWS AND FINITE UNREALITIES...Our DEITY is neither in a > paradise, nor in a particular tree, building, or mountain: it is > everywhere, in every atom of the visible as of the invisible > Cosmos, in, over, and around every invisible atom and divisible > molecule; for IT is the mysterious power of evolution and > involution, the omnipresent, omnipotent, and even omniscient > creative potentiality." Key To Theosophy, pages 63-4 > > > "Pantheism may be "physically rediscovered." It was known, seen, > and felt by the whole of antiquity. Pantheism manifests itself > in the vast expanse of the starry heavens, in the breathing of > the seas and oceans and the quiver of life of the smallest blade > of grass. PHILOSOPHY REJECTS THE ONE FINITE AND IMPERFECT GOD IN > THE UNIVERSE...It repudiates in its name of Philo-Theo-Sophia the > grotesque idea that infinite, Absolute Deity should, or rather > could, have any, whether direct or indirect, relation to finite > evolutions of matter, and therefore cannot imagine a universe > outside that Deity, or the latter absent from the smallest speck > of animate or inanimate substance." Secret Doctrine I, 533 > > > ----------------------- > > You seem to adopt the commonly accepted meaning for "Lucifer." > Here is what Theosophy says: > > ----------------------- > "Lucifer," is the pale morning-star, the precursor of the full > blaze of the noon-day sun--the "Eosphoros" of the Greeks. It > shines timidly at dawn to gather forces and dazzle the eye after > sunset as its own brother "Hesperos"--the radiant evening star, > or the planet Venus. No fitter symbol exists for the proposed > work [of Theosophy] -- that of throwing a ray of truth on > everything hidden by the darkness of prejudice, by social or > religious misconceptions; especially by that idiotic routine in > life, which, once that a certain action, a thing, a name... Such > an endeavour then, to force the weak-hearted to look truth > straight in the face, is helped most efficaciously by a title > belonging to the category of branded names... > > So deeply rooted, indeed, is this preconception and aversion to > the name of Lucifer--meaning no worse than "light-bringer" (from > lux, lucis, "light," and ferre "to bring")1--even among the > educated classes, that by adopting it for the title of their > magazine the editors have the prospect of a long strife with > public prejudice before them...how came Satan to be called a > light-bringer, unless the silvery rays of the morning-star can in > any way be made suggestive of the glare of the infernal flames. > It is simply, as Henderson showed, "one of those gross > perversions of sacred writ which so extensively obtain, and which > are to be traced to a proneness to seek for more in a given > passage than it really contains--a disposition to be influenced > by sound rather than sense, and an implicit faith in received > interpretation"... A glimpse into the real and primitive > character of Lucifer can do them no harm and may, perchance, cure > them of a bit of ridiculous prejudice. They ought to study their > Homer and Hesiod's Theogony if they would do justice to Lucifer, > "Eosphoros and Hesperos," the Morning and the Evening beautiful > star... > > But their sacred writ is the first to contradict their > interpretations and the association of Lucifer, the Morning Star, > with Satan. Chapter XXII of Revelation, verse 16th, says: "I, > Jesus . . . am the root. . . and the bright and Morning Star" > "early rising"): hence Eosphoros, or the Latin Lucifer. The or > probrium attached to this name is of such a very late date, the > Roman Church found itself forced to screen the theological > slander behind a two-sided interpretation--as usual. Christ, we > are told, is the "Morning Star," the divine Lucifer; and Satan > the usurpator of the Verbum, the "infernal Lucifer." "The great > Archangel Michael, the conqueror of Satan, is identical in > paganism with Mercury-Mithra, to whom, after defending the Sun > (symbolical of God) from the attacks of Venus-Lucifer, was given > the possession of this planet, et datus est ei locus Luciferi And > since the Archangel Michael is the 'Angel of the Face,' and 'the > Vicar of the Verbum' he is now considered in the Roman Church as > the regent of that planet Venus which 'the vanquished fiend had > usurped'." Angelus faciei Dei sedem superbi humilis Obtinuit, > says Cornelius à Lapide (in Vol. VI, p. 229). > > This gives the reason why one of the early Popes was called > Lucifer, as Yonge and ecclesiastical records prove. It thus > follows that the title chosen for our magazine is as much > associated with divine and pious ideas as with the supposed > rebellion of the hero of Milton's "Paradise Lost." By choosing > it, we throw the first ray of light and truth on a ridiculous > prejudice which ought to have no room made for it in this our > "age of facts and discovery." > > We work for true Religion and Science, in the interest of fact as > against fiction and prejudice. It is our duty, as it is that of > physical Science--professedly its mission--to throw light or > facts in Nature hitherto surrounded by the darkness of ignorance > And since ignorance is justly regarded as the chief promoter of > superstition, that work is, therefore, a noble and beneficent > work But natural Sciences are only one aspect of SCIENCE and > TRUTH. > > Psychological and moral Sciences, or theosophy, the knowledge of > divine truth, wheresoever found, are, still more important in > human affairs, and real Science should not be limited simply to > the physical aspect of life and nature. > Science is an abstract of every fact, a comprehension of every > truth within the scope of human research and intelligence. > "Shakespeare's deep and accurate science in mental philosophy" > (Coleridge), has proved more beneficent to the true philosopher > in the study of the human heart--therefore, in the promotion of > truth--than the more accurate, but certainly less deep, science > of any Fellow of the Royal Institution. > > Those readers, however, who do not find themselves convinced that > the Church had no right to throw a slur upon a beautiful star, > and that it did so through a mere necessity of accounting for one > of its numerous loans from Paganism with all its poetical > conceptions of the truths in Nature, are asked to read our > article "THE HISTORY OF A PLANET." > > -- H P B [ From: WHAT'S IN A NAME ? Lucifer, Sept 1887. ] > > --------------------------------- > > Best wishes, > > Dallas > > ================================ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Morten > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:30 PM > To: > Subject: Re: Lucifer's latest trick...? > > Hi Dallas and all of you, > > My views: > > Thanks for your kind and well put answer. > > BUT - according to me, - > > The wise adepts of wisdom sort of "elects" Kings, Popes, > Presidents and political leaders - chairmen and chairwoman as > well - even if they themselves are not aware of it. > > This can be done by stimulating certain energies at the right > time and place under given circumstances. Sometimes, they don't > interfer and sometimes they do. And always with the heart of > compassion. So clever is the wise, that it is no match for the > less developed mind and intellect to understand - the law of > Karma and the Free-will issues involved. > > My knowledge is: > > > Before we incarnate - there has been laid a time-space plan so to > speak for what we are going to experience. This plan is in a > quite special manner moving through time - and therefore sort of > 'changes' while we incarnate. One could say, that our free-will > are as high as our combined level of > consciousness and compassion. And yet in fact it is all there - > for everyone to see, exactly what the > future brings - if they have the heart of compassion to do that. > > > The word "development" is a term, which fits the lower or even > higher mental mind, depending on the readers view. On the highest > levels of consciousness - the term "development" is not the issue > of importance. The term "development" has then been transcended. > That is what I know. > > My view: > > > "Lucifer" is in this case the one who tempts the seeker to > promote war ! > Lucifer is also 'something' else. > > How does Theosophy as a Organisation create peace by continuing > with Business as usual - day after day ? > > > I just don't get it. > > > Something has to happen. Something has to happen with the Bailey > groups and their dangerous almost Jesuitic manners. > > HPB would certainly have reacted to such a newsletter as the one > in mention: > http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/nl/2003/2/index.shtml > (Lucis Trust - Newslettter no. 2, year 2003) > > Maybe this could spark something: > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-am1.htm > ("Letter to the Second Annual Convention 22-23. april 1888" by > HPB). > > Quoting the fitting words above: > > > "It must be remembered that the Society was not founded as a > nursery for > forcing a supply of Occultists -- as a factory for the > manufactory of > Adepts. It was intended to stem the current of materialism, and > also that of > spiritualistic phenomenalism and the worship of the Dead. It had > to guide > the spiritual awakening that has now begun, and not to pander to > psychic > cravings which are but another form of materialism. For by > "materialism" is > meant not only an anti-philosophical negation of pure spirit, > and, even > more, materialism in conduct and action -- brutality, hypocrisy, > and, above > all, selfishness -- but also the fruits of a disbelief in all but > material > things, a disbelief which has increased enormously during the > last century, > and which has led many, after a denial of all existence other > than that in > matter, into a blind belief in the materialization of Spirit. " > > And today we have the Tarot Cards, the crystal gazings, the > 14-days-get-clairvoyant-exercises, and clairvoyant-sceances > etc... > And the Journalists and the public ? - They love it ! > (I.e. "Do'nt think", "Relax - enjoy - we will do the thinking for > you". And > the politicians always talking about war - make it important). > Theosophy ? Well, the journalists have never heard of it. And > often they > find the issue boring. You see: Journalists does'nt seem to like > spiritual > moral ! > > But HPB knew how to provoke people - and get their attention. > Theosophists of today ? Do they know how to do that ? No ! > The most of them look like the Sad Faced United, - always at the > bottom not > getting any points. They should instead laern something about > giving to > others what they need - something about how to promote Theosophy. > > > What happens today ? > > The Theosophical leaders - says: > > Let us promote Theosophy. > > > And then they do --- eeehm NOTHING ! > > > Allright: They promote some few phamplets - and very discrete > place them together with the hundred others from other > organiztions !!! > > > Maybe they are often to few - and can't agree upon anything - not > even the pamphlets. So nothing happens. > You will have to agree, - That is NOT promotion ! > > If seven men and women at a meeting about, what to do about the > sinking ship - > can't find a solution - then they are stupid. S - T - U - P - I - > D. > And if they hav'nt seen, that the ship is sinking - they are > ignorant. > > And just like other past organizations it will wanish. And > another word more fitting > will be used by the masters of wisdom. > > > Ignorants are not fit as leaders of A true Theosophical Society. > > > from > M. Sufilight with peace and love... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From global-theosophy@adslhome.dk Sun Jun 01 05:20:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@adslhome.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92172 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 12:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 12:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pfepb.post.tele.dk) (193.162.153.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 12:20:12 -0000 Received: from kidhr (unknown [80.164.78.209]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 64D9C5EE1BF for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:20:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001c01c32837$a73b4ea0$d14ea450@opasia.dk> To: "Theos-Talk" Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: Lucifer's latest trick...Part 2 of 2 ? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:16:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=106996622 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dallas and all of you, Here is part 2 of 2. My views: Well, what can I say Dallas ? Thanks for your answer in the below. Why such a long answer ? 4. Dallas wrote in the below: "It is futile to blame others." My answer: I disagree, with your misunderstandings. But is it also futile to continue day after day to PROTEST against, all the evils others are doing ? H. P. Blavatsky did that ! And I will deeply question if a soft and silent reaction to all what is going on - is a wise manner of acting - as a TRUE Theosophis= t ! I do my best to stay on top of what I see - as issues of importance to be d= ealt with. I.e. wheather they be problems - help to give - or compassion to express et= c... Try a close reading of these solid articles and letters. These are an impor= tant basis for understanding my reaction towards the Alice A. Bailey groups= and your email in the below:=20 "Extract from H.P.B's E.S.T.S Instruction No. 1" - by Daniel Caldwell http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/hpbes1extract.htm (Here HPB reacts against thos who throw dirt upon Theosophy - by false teac= hings using the name of Theosophy !) "Is Theosophy a Religion?" by HPB, nov. 1888 http://www.blavatsky.net/blava= tsky/arts/IsTheosophyAReligion.htm (Here HPB - protests against the wrong opinions people has on Theoosphy.) Try also this: "occultism versus the Occult Arts" by HPB, may 1888 http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/OccultismVersusTheOccultArts.htm (HPB on Black Magic and misguided seekers of truth !) 5. What Pantheism has to do with my email - I just don't get. Yes: Atman is Brahman - ParaBrahman is ParaAtman. I.e. Neti, Neti.=20 (Not this, Not that). That is our knowledge. 6. And my use of Lucifer was just made for this case so to put light on - what Lucis Trust (i.e. using the old term "Lucifers Trust") was doing. >From there you get the title "Lucifers latest trick...?". Yes. HPB has a definition. But other definitions are allright. HPB threw so= me light on the origins of the word "Lucifer". This was not my objective, with= these emails. The Alice A. Bailey groups are heavily involved with politics. Living in th= e country Denmark - one of the high-number areas for Bailey-groups - I know= , what I talk about. 7.=20 And - Shakespeare - was heavily influenced by the Sufi teachings from some = of the greatest sufis of all time. (The book - Idries Shah "The Way of the Sufi." - should = clear that issue by comparion of texts referred to.) from M. sufilight with peace and love... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: "AA-BN--Study" Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Theos-World RE: Lucifer's latest trick...? > Sunday, June 01, 2003 >=20 > Dear Friend: >=20 > In my studies in Theosophy I came across some interesting > definitions that help understand these questions (see below). >=20 > No one can deny freedom to others. >=20 > No one can do another's study and decision making for them. >=20 > Hence each is free to decide their own course of action. >=20 > As an example: take our universal experience in school and later > in life work. All we have become is a result of our choices and > taking advantage of the opportunities offered. Somethings we > used and others we rejected. It is important to review this: > acceptance, use and rejection. Why did we act in such a way ? > This reveals to us our own nature and character. >=20 > It is futile to blame others. WE ARE, ETERNALLY, THE FREE > CHOOSERS. If someone tries to "lead" then those who choose to > follow abrogate their decision making faculty for some reason > that THEY CHOOSE Perhaps we ought to reexamine these choices and > the nature of the "leader" we elected to "follow." >=20 > However I find that Theosophy teaches: >=20 > Consistently and forever, WE MAKE OURSELVES -- by our choices. >=20 > It is also one of the proofs of our Divine Nature as immortal > Egos. And the fact that Nature supports us, and this present > life, is a part of the universal "School curriculum." The > "School" in which we all are, today, in the bodies that are now > ours, enable us to learn and determine our own speed and rate of > learning. If we are stupid, or ignorant, we have only ourselves > to thank. But we also have the power to change that. Don't we? >=20 > Our Immortal Self has to power to know everything, given time to > learn -- as in many lives, and also the power to change our way > of life if we will it. But we cannot blame others! Note that it > is our memory, used every day that alters. WE DO NOT ALTER, the > memory and our usage of it does. >=20 > The rules and laws of the Universe are ancient and consistent in > this as in other matters. They arrange for the improvement and > education of all beings (immortal Monads). We are an example of > one of these ETERNAL AND IMMORTAL UNITS that has reached the > stage of self-consciousness and self-choosing. Where do we go > from here? >=20 > The progress that the ONE desires -- as of good will to all -- > BROTHERHOOD -- is at the root of all Theosophical metaphysics and > work. It reflects the condition of the UNIVERSE as always in > action towards general and individual improvement, as one in > which the acquiring of wisdom is encouraged. It also implies > justice, mercy, generosity, charity and compassion. The Universe > readjusts distortions and disharmonies by means of HARMONY which > is impartial and ever-acting KARMA. We in fact can be said to > live in a harmony of discords. >=20 > In Theosophy no one is a "Leader" save H P B and the Masters. We > are all student/teachers, offering what we have learned, so that > others might review that and perhaps build upon it. >=20 > I believe the following statements, culled from various > Theosophical texts may be answers to some of your observations. > But do check them out for coherency and meaning. I will be glad > to answer any questions that arise, if I can. >=20 > ----------------------- >=20 > "...THERE IS ONE ABSOLUTE REALITY which antecedes all manifested, > conditioned, being. This Infinite and Eternal Cause--dimly > formulated in the "Unconscious" and "Unknowable"...is the > rootless root of "all that was, is, or ever shall be." It is of > course devoid of all attributes and is essentially without any > relation to manifested, finite Being. It is "Be-ness" rather > than Being (in Sanskrit, Sat), and is beyond all thought or > speculation...Thus, then, the first fundamental axiom of the > Secret Doctrine is this metaphysical ONE > ABSOLUTE--BE-NESS--symbolized by finite intelligence as the > theological trinity." Secret Doctrine I p. 14 >=20 >=20 > "THE CAUSES OF EXISTENCE...refers to the last Manvantara, or age > of Brahm=E2, but the cause which makes the Wheel of Time and Space > run into Eternity, which is out of Space and Time, has nothing to > do with the finite causes or what we call the Nidanas...This one > eternal causeless and therefore "causeless cause" is immutable > and has nothing to do with the causes on any of the planes which > are concerned with finite and conditioned being. The cause can > therefore by no means be a finite consciousness or desire. It is > an absurdity to postulate desire or necessity of the Absolute; > the striking of a clock does not suggest the desire of the clock > to strike...the Absolute containing both clock and Winder, once > it is the Absolute; the only difference is that the former is > would up in Space and Time and the latter out of Space and Time, > that is to say, in Eternity...Parabrahm is not a cause, neither > is there any cause that can compel it to emanate or create. > Strictly speaking, Parabrahm is not even the Absolute, but > Absoluteness. Parabrahm is not a cause, but causality, or the > propelling but not volitional power, in every manifesting Cause. > We may have some hazy idea that there is such a thing as this > eternal Causeless Cause or Causality. But to define it is > impossible..." Trans. 40-1 >=20 >=20 > "...to the follower of the true Eastern archaic Wisdom, to him > who worships in spirit nought outside the absolute Unity, THAT > EVER PULSATING GREAT "HEART" THAT BEATS THROUGHOUT, AS IN EVERY > ATOM OF NATURE, each such atom contains a germ from which he may > raise the Tree of Knowledge, whose fruits give life eternal and > not physical life alone...the Force which directs its [the > seeds'] growth, the ever mysterious, as the ever unknown...THIS > IS THE ONLY FORCE THAT HAS A REALITY FOR HIM, AS IT IS THE > NEVER-DYING BREATH OF LIFE." SD II 588-9 >=20 >=20 > "EVERY LIVING CREATURE, OF WHATEVER DESCRIPTION, WAS, IS, OR WILL > BECOME A HUMAN BEING IN ONE OR ANOTHER MANVANTARA." Trans. 23 >=20 >=20 > "FREE WILL CAN ONLY EXIST IN A MAN WHO HAS BOTH MIND AND > CONSCIOUSNESS, which act and make him perceive things both within > and without himself." Trans. 25 >=20 >=20 > "...OUR EGO IS A RAY OF THE UNIVERSAL MIND, individualized for > the space of a cosmic life-cycle, during which space of time it > gets experience in almost numberless reincarnations or rebirths, > after which it returns to its Parent-Source. The Occultist would > call the "Higher Ego" the immortal Entity, whose shadow and > reflection is the human Manas, the mind limited by its physical > senses. The two may be well compared to the Master-artist and > the pupil-musician...In the course of natural evolution our > "brain-mind" will be replaced by a finer organism, and helped by > the 6th [Buddhi] and the 7th [Atma] senses..." Theos. Articles & > Notes, p. 208 >=20 >=20 > "THE HUMAN BRAIN IS AN EXHAUSTLESS GENERATOR OF THE MOST REFINED > QUALITY OF COSMIC FORCE out of the low, brute energy of Nature; > and the complete adept has made himself a center from which > radiate potentialities that beget correlations upon correlations > through AEons of time to come.' Theos. Art. & Notes, p. 291 >=20 >=20 > "...WE ALL REGARD OURSELVES AS UNITS, ALTHOUGH ESSENTIALLY WE ARE > ONE INDIVISIBLE UNIT, drops in the ocean of Being, not to be > distinguished from other drops. Having then produced this cause, > the whole discord of life follows immediately as an effect; in > reality it is the endeavor of nature to restore harmony and > maintain equilibrium. It is the sense of separateness which is > the root of all evil." Trans. 30 >=20 >=20 > "OUR "MEMORY" IS BUT A GENERAL AGENT, and its "tablets," with > their indelible impressions, but a figure of speech; the > "brain-tablets" serve only as a upadhi or a vahan (basis or > vehicle) for reflecting at a given moment the memory of one or > another thing. The record of past events, of every minutest > action, and of passing thoughts, in fact, are really impressed on > the imperishable waves of the Astral Light, around us, and > everywhere, not in the brain alone; and these mental pictures, > images, and sounds, pass from these waves in the consciousness of > the personal Ego or Mind (the lower Manas) whose grosser essence > is astral, into the "cerebral reflectors," so to say, of our > brain, whence they are delivered by the psychic to the sensuous > consciousness. This at every moment of the day, and even during > sleep." > Theos. Articles & Notes, p. 209 >=20 >=20 > "The term "Pantheism" is again one of...many abused terms, whose > real and primitive meaning has been distorted by blind prejudice > and a one-sided view of it. If you accept the Christian > etymology of this compound word, and form it of pan, "all," and > theos, "god," and then imagine and teach that every stone and > every tree in Nature is a God or the ONE God, then...you > will...make of Pantheists fetish-worshipers, in addition to their > legitimate name. >=20 > But you will hardly be as successful if you etymologize the word > Pantheism esoterically....WHEN WE SPEAK OF THE DEITY AND MAKE IT > IDENTICAL, AND HENCE COEVAL, WITH NATURE, THE ETERNAL AND > UNCREATE NATURE IS MEANT, AND NOT YOUR AGGREGATE OF FLITTING > SHADOWS AND FINITE UNREALITIES...Our DEITY is neither in a > paradise, nor in a particular tree, building, or mountain: it is > everywhere, in every atom of the visible as of the invisible > Cosmos, in, over, and around every invisible atom and divisible > molecule; for IT is the mysterious power of evolution and > involution, the omnipresent, omnipotent, and even omniscient > creative potentiality." Key To Theosophy, pages 63-4 >=20 >=20 > "Pantheism may be "physically rediscovered." It was known, seen, > and felt by the whole of antiquity. Pantheism manifests itself > in the vast expanse of the starry heavens, in the breathing of > the seas and oceans and the quiver of life of the smallest blade > of grass. PHILOSOPHY REJECTS THE ONE FINITE AND IMPERFECT GOD IN > THE UNIVERSE...It repudiates in its name of Philo-Theo-Sophia the > grotesque idea that infinite, Absolute Deity should, or rather > could, have any, whether direct or indirect, relation to finite > evolutions of matter, and therefore cannot imagine a universe > outside that Deity, or the latter absent from the smallest speck > of animate or inanimate substance." Secret Doctrine I, 533 >=20 >=20 > ----------------------- >=20 > You seem to adopt the commonly accepted meaning for "Lucifer." > Here is what Theosophy says: >=20 > ----------------------- > "Lucifer," is the pale morning-star, the precursor of the full > blaze of the noon-day sun--the "Eosphoros" of the Greeks. It > shines timidly at dawn to gather forces and dazzle the eye after > sunset as its own brother "Hesperos"--the radiant evening star, > or the planet Venus. No fitter symbol exists for the proposed > work [of Theosophy] -- that of throwing a ray of truth on > everything hidden by the darkness of prejudice, by social or > religious misconceptions; especially by that idiotic routine in > life, which, once that a certain action, a thing, a name... Such > an endeavour then, to force the weak-hearted to look truth > straight in the face, is helped most efficaciously by a title > belonging to the category of branded names... >=20 > So deeply rooted, indeed, is this preconception and aversion to > the name of Lucifer--meaning no worse than "light-bringer" (from > lux, lucis, "light," and ferre "to bring")1--even among the > educated classes, that by adopting it for the title of their > magazine the editors have the prospect of a long strife with > public prejudice before them...how came Satan to be called a > light-bringer, unless the silvery rays of the morning-star can in > any way be made suggestive of the glare of the infernal flames. > It is simply, as Henderson showed, "one of those gross > perversions of sacred writ which so extensively obtain, and which > are to be traced to a proneness to seek for more in a given > passage than it really contains--a disposition to be influenced > by sound rather than sense, and an implicit faith in received > interpretation"... A glimpse into the real and primitive > character of Lucifer can do them no harm and may, perchance, cure > them of a bit of ridiculous prejudice. They ought to study their > Homer and Hesiod's Theogony if they would do justice to Lucifer, > "Eosphoros and Hesperos," the Morning and the Evening beautiful > star... >=20 > But their sacred writ is the first to contradict their > interpretations and the association of Lucifer, the Morning Star, > with Satan. Chapter XXII of Revelation, verse 16th, says: "I, > Jesus . . . am the root. . . and the bright and Morning Star" > "early rising"): hence Eosphoros, or the Latin Lucifer. The or > probrium attached to this name is of such a very late date, the > Roman Church found itself forced to screen the theological > slander behind a two-sided interpretation--as usual. Christ, we > are told, is the "Morning Star," the divine Lucifer; and Satan > the usurpator of the Verbum, the "infernal Lucifer." "The great > Archangel Michael, the conqueror of Satan, is identical in > paganism with Mercury-Mithra, to whom, after defending the Sun > (symbolical of God) from the attacks of Venus-Lucifer, was given > the possession of this planet, et datus est ei locus Luciferi And > since the Archangel Michael is the 'Angel of the Face,' and 'the > Vicar of the Verbum' he is now considered in the Roman Church as > the regent of that planet Venus which 'the vanquished fiend had > usurped'." Angelus faciei Dei sedem superbi humilis Obtinuit, > says Cornelius =E0 Lapide (in Vol. VI, p. 229). >=20 > This gives the reason why one of the early Popes was called > Lucifer, as Yonge and ecclesiastical records prove. It thus > follows that the title chosen for our magazine is as much > associated with divine and pious ideas as with the supposed > rebellion of the hero of Milton's "Paradise Lost." By choosing > it, we throw the first ray of light and truth on a ridiculous > prejudice which ought to have no room made for it in this our > "age of facts and discovery." >=20 > We work for true Religion and Science, in the interest of fact as > against fiction and prejudice. It is our duty, as it is that of > physical Science--professedly its mission--to throw light or > facts in Nature hitherto surrounded by the darkness of ignorance > And since ignorance is justly regarded as the chief promoter of > superstition, that work is, therefore, a noble and beneficent > work But natural Sciences are only one aspect of SCIENCE and > TRUTH. >=20 > Psychological and moral Sciences, or theosophy, the knowledge of > divine truth, wheresoever found, are, still more important in > human affairs, and real Science should not be limited simply to > the physical aspect of life and nature. > Science is an abstract of every fact, a comprehension of every > truth within the scope of human research and intelligence. > "Shakespeare's deep and accurate science in mental philosophy" > (Coleridge), has proved more beneficent to the true philosopher > in the study of the human heart--therefore, in the promotion of > truth--than the more accurate, but certainly less deep, science > of any Fellow of the Royal Institution. >=20 > Those readers, however, who do not find themselves convinced that > the Church had no right to throw a slur upon a beautiful star, > and that it did so through a mere necessity of accounting for one > of its numerous loans from Paganism with all its poetical > conceptions of the truths in Nature, are asked to read our > article "THE HISTORY OF A PLANET." >=20 > -- H P B [ From: WHAT'S IN A NAME ? Lucifer, Sept 1887. ] >=20 > --------------------------------- >=20 > Best wishes, >=20 > Dallas >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mhart@idirect.ca Sun Jun 01 06:51:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mhart@idirect.ca X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8450 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 13:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 13:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gatekeeper.look.ca) (207.136.80.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 13:51:24 -0000 Received: from on-osh-ap3-05-15.look.ca ([216.154.45.206] helo=idirect.ca) by gatekeeper.look.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 19MTF3-0008Tg-00 for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 13:51:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3EDA0775.334A12F9@idirect.ca> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:02:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "theos-talk@yahoogroups.com" Subject: re "where does it lead?" re Sufilight and ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.5 tests=none version=2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) From: Mauri X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60894584 X-Yahoo-Profile: sunzenn Sufilight wrote: <> If but/"but's" generally tend to be seen as "different enough," (say?), then ... But/"but" I tend to suspect that, depending on how we humans interpret between the lines of life, in general (ie, not just between the lines of things like Theosophy, Zen, but/"but's," etc), then ... Hmm ... That is, not that we all don't "know about a lot of things," but/"but"... I thought the quoted "but" in that combination might have some appeal for those who might (occasionally?) prefer to allow for whatever forms of alternate, mystical, occult, esotericy, etc, "less obvious" or "possible meanings" (ie, "in case such meanings may not be always seen as definitinely-enough covered or as obvious enough" by a one's "possibly more-apparent intended meaning" re one's "conventional, more obvious but's," so ... Of course, on the other hand, if whatever we exoterize, by whichever word-combination or method, is exclusively interpreted in dead-pan/literal exoteric terms in the sense that if the imaginative, speculative, intuitive, or "bridging results" ("toward speculative/inspiry alternate/higher" meaning, say) of our interpretations often tends to fall back kind of flat on their exoteric faces, as it were (occasionally?)---without even as much as having had some kind of esotericy "bridging/higher effect," say---then, well ... Not that ... But/"but"... ? Speculatively, Mauri PS "Of course, on the other hand"... From Drpsionic@aol.com Sun Jun 01 09:05:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60002 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 16:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 16:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 16:05:23 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.ae.40fcfe73 (4394) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:05:13 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Lucifers latest trick...? To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162 X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano In a message dated 5/31/03 4:34:20 PM Central Daylight Time, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk writes: << The wise adepts of wisdom sort of "elects" Kings, Popes, Presidents and political leaders - chairmen and chairwoman as well - even if they themselves are not aware of it. >> Great Satan! The Peter Principal works and the adepts are really and truly incompetant. Chuck the Heretic From Drpsionic@aol.com Sun Jun 01 09:10:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8575 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 16:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 16:10:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 16:10:31 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.1e5.a1bbdae (4394) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e5.a1bbdae.2c0b7f74@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:10:28 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: : RE:Occult Practices To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162 X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano In a message dated 5/31/03 5:04:22 PM Central Daylight Time, bartl@sprynet.com writes: << Any black magickian who's ANYBODY uses a Learjet. >> That's why I live in Waukesha, near a small airport. There is nothing worse than having to drive longer than the flight to get to the plane! Actually, the real problem with flying carpets is they have been known to unravel. That happened to the Master Koot Humbug (otherwise affectionately known in Theosophical literature as "that old koot") when he was on his way to deliver some mail to HPB. His carpet came apart and tumbled from the heavens, only to be saved by landing on HPB, whose massive girth cushioned his fall. Chuck the Heretic From global-theosophy@adslhome.dk Sun Jun 01 11:40:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@adslhome.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30546 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 18:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 18:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pfepa.post.tele.dk) (193.162.153.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 18:40:14 -0000 Received: from kidhr (unknown [80.164.78.209]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AA74480056 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:40:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000901c3286c$bf104780$d14ea450@opasia.dk> To: References: Subject: Re: Theos-World Lucifers latest trick...? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:36:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=106996622 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Hi Chuck and all of you, But...but..but... The true Christ is one of them ! But who cares ? You see I know, what I talk about ! Peter is one of my friends. Eeehm...Peter has a lot of friends. speculatively I think M. Sufilight with a smile... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Lucifers latest trick...? > In a message dated 5/31/03 4:34:20 PM Central Daylight Time, > global-theosophy@adslhome.dk writes: > > << The wise adepts of wisdom sort of "elects" > Kings, Popes, Presidents and political leaders - chairmen and chairwoman as > well - even if they themselves are not aware of it. >> > > Great Satan! The Peter Principal works and the adepts are really and truly > incompetant. > > Chuck the Heretic > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From Drpsionic@aol.com Sun Jun 01 12:55:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4569 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 19:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 19:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 19:55:09 -0000 Received: from Drpsionic@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id r.91.2e75aa1c (4328) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <91.2e75aa1c.2c0bb410@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:54:56 EDT Subject: Re: Theos-World Lucifers latest trick...? To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Drpsionic@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=755162 X-Yahoo-Profile: c_cosimano In a message dated 6/1/03 1:40:55 PM Central Daylight Time, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk writes: << The true Christ is one of them ! >> Like I said, incompetant. the old Gnostics had it right. The universe was created by a demented demi-god and run by evil lunatics and blundering fools. The old Theosophical canard has it that the Masters or Adepts or Whatever They Are Called This Week have the "best interests of humanity at heart." Do they? Do they really? Oh, they say so, but why should we believe them? Suppose they lied. Who would know? Chuck the Heretic From global-theosophy@adslhome.dk Sun Jun 01 14:44:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: global-theosophy@adslhome.dk X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65298 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 21:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 21:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pfepa.post.tele.dk) (193.162.153.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 21:44:24 -0000 Received: from kidhr (unknown [80.164.78.209]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BD6947FFB1 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:44:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000901c32886$79e0a500$d14ea450@opasia.dk> To: References: <91.2e75aa1c.2c0bb410@aol.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Lucifers latest trick...? Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:40:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=106996622 X-Yahoo-Profile: kidhr7 Hi Chuck and all of you, My humble views: Og yeah...? The true Christ knows ! A short version follows from a heart spy: First one seeks to become a truely good person with good habits and with honest motivations. One deny oneself egotism and take up the secret spiritual cross of wisdom. The "jewels" are thrown away as one never looks back at materialistic motivated luxury. Patience, and - calmness - in doing a contionous effort to get rid of bad and materialistic motivated habits - is surly removing the veils of ISIS and the aspirant becomes a knower. The truth is, that one can get rid of all bad habits.....Eeehm...All of them. One should seek to become wise and good. That is indeed a most important seeking. To know is to have a open heart from where the wisdom of compassion flows - up and through the head. Then later --- eeehm ...somewhat later --- one gets the prophetic gifts - or control of forces of spiritual knowledge and compassion. And - this - is the test, that one does NOT turn it all into a miracle-joke-club, which have stupid pattern of development. I.e. a Starsprangled one or - a bad parodic version on a orthodox church of today. Some call Theosophy a club on tee and talk... What do they call Theos-Talk ? ... eeehm.... A often mentioned joke in sufi circles: What is the difference between Theosophical Society and the Orthodox churches ? Theosophy has a bad PR. With heretic Baileys etc. While the Orthodox churches has not a bad PR ! God - ParaBrahman is omnipresent --- and knows everything ! You can seek and find out - that this is true. (Although thinking like this also will be a limitiation.) from M. Sufilight a big joke - put on earth by the true Christ... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Lucifers latest trick...? > In a message dated 6/1/03 1:40:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > global-theosophy@adslhome.dk writes: > > << The true Christ is one of them ! >> > > Like I said, incompetant. > > the old Gnostics had it right. The universe was created by a demented > demi-god and run by evil lunatics and blundering fools. > > The old Theosophical canard has it that the Masters or Adepts or Whatever > They Are Called This Week have the "best interests of humanity at heart." Do > they? Do they really? Oh, they say so, but why should we believe them? > > Suppose they lied. > > Who would know? > > Chuck the Heretic > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From dennw3k@earthlink.net Sun Jun 01 16:49:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dennw3k@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24423 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2003 23:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2003 23:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2003 23:49:01 -0000 Received: from pool0036.cvx24-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.210.36] helo=u7k5a4) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19McZQ-0007gO-00 for theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:49:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c32898$d371daa0$24d2b3d1@u7k5a4> To: References: <1f1.9f09d51.2c0a544e@cs.com> <006601c327b3$8b622480$d14ea450@opasia.dk> Subject: Re: Theos-World The child genius - an initiate ? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:07:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Dennis Kier" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38993992 Try "An Indigo Celebration by Lee Carroll and Jan Tober", and "The Indigo Children, The New Kids Have Arrived, by Lee Carroll and Jan Tober" You can find both of them at www.arebookstore.com I think there are more books in the series, but that is all that they are advertising in their latest catalog. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World The child genius - an initiate ? > Hi John and all of you, > > Yes, and then what ? > I did, what you asked for: > I couldn't find any earthly statistics or recognition on this "Indigo > Cildren" term. Perhaps the spelling you gave of "Cildren" rather than "Children" was the problem. Dennis From may74nard@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 21:24:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: may74nard@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26424 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 04:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 04:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41806.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.140) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 04:24:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030602042417.90458.qmail@web41806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.60.233.77] by web41806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:24:17 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Theos-World The child genius - an initiate ? To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000201c32898$d371daa0$24d2b3d1@u7k5a4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Maynard Smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142027857 X-Yahoo-Profile: may74nard http://www.indigochild.com/ --- Dennis Kier wrote: > Try "An Indigo Celebration by Lee Carroll and Jan > Tober", and "The > Indigo Children, The New Kids Have Arrived, by Lee > Carroll and Jan > Tober" > > You can find both of them at www.arebookstore.com > > I think there are more books in the series, but that > is all that they > are advertising in their latest catalog. > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: Theos-World The child genius - an > initiate ? > > > > Hi John and all of you, > > > > Yes, and then what ? > > I did, what you asked for: > > I couldn't find any earthly statistics or > recognition on this > "Indigo > > Cildren" term. > > Perhaps the spelling you gave of "Cildren" rather > than "Children" was > the problem. > > Dennis > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From dalval14@earthlink.net Mon Jun 02 03:53:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dalval14@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94374 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 10:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 10:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 10:53:31 -0000 Received: from pool0093.cvx17-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.232.93] helo=earthlink) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19MmwL-0006Fa-00; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 03:53:21 -0700 To: Subject: RE: [bn-study] Miracles ~ Grace ~ Healing Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 03:54:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: Reply-To: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=52898573 X-Yahoo-Profile: dalval2 Monday, June 02, 2003 Dear Laura: Theosophy recognizes extraordinary events occurring in people's lives. The fundamental propositions are: The whole Universe is under Karma and its immutable laws. It is the Master of time and of all events everywhere. Nothing happens by gift, prayer, chance or luck. Hence there are no "miracles." No one need even "hope" for a miracle. Spontaneous or induced healing takes place when an individual's Karma permits. Look at this early statement (1877) from ISIS UNVEILED ----------------------- PROPOSITIONS OF ORIENTAL PSYCHOLOGY TEN ITEMS FROM "ISIS UNVEILED" (Vol. 2 p. 587) To comprehend the principles of natural law involved in the several phenomena hereinafter described, the reader must keep in mind the fundamental propositions of the Oriental philosophy which we have successively elucidated. Let us recapitulate very briefly: 1st. There is no miracle. Everything that happens is the result of law eternal, immutable, ever active. Apparent miracle is but the operation of forces antagonistic to what Dr. W. B. Carpenter, F.R.S. - a man of great learning but little knowledge calls "the well-ascertained laws of nature." Like many of his class, Dr. Carpenter ignores the fact that there may be laws once "known," now unknown to science. 2nd. Nature is triune: there is a visible, objective nature; an invisible, indwelling, energizing nature, the exact model of the other, and its vital principle; and, above these two, spirit, source of all forces, alone eternal, and indestructible. The lower two constantly change; the higher third does not. 3rd. Man is also triune he has his objective, physical body; his vitalizing astral body (or soul), the real man; and these two are brooded over and illuminated by the third - the sovereign, the immortal spirit. When the real man succeeds in merging himself with the latter, he becomes an immortal entity. 4th. Magic, as a science, is the knowledge of these principles and of the way by which the omniscience and omnipotence of the spirit and its control over nature's forces may be acquired by the individual while still in the body. Magic, as an art, is the application of this knowledge in practice. 5th. Arcane knowledge misapplied, is sorcery; beneficently used, true magic or WISDOM. 6th. Mediumship is the opposite of adeptship; the medium is the passive instrument of foreign influences, the adept actively controls himself and all inferior potencies. 7th. All things that ever were, that are, or that will be, having their record upon the astral light, or tablet of the unseen universe, the initiated adept, by using the vision of his own spirit, can know all that has been known or can be known. 8th. Races of men differ in spiritual gifts as in color, stature, or any other external quality; among some peoples seership naturally prevails, among others mediumship. Some are addicted to sorcery, and transmit its secret rules of practice from generation to generation, with a range of psychical phenomena, more or less wide, as the result. 9th. One phase of magical skill is the voluntary and conscious withdrawal of the inner man (astral form) from the outer man (physical body). In the cases of some mediums withdrawal occurs, but it is unconscious and involuntary. With the latter the body is more or less cataleptic at such times; but with the adept the absence of the astral form would not be noticed, for the physical senses are alert, and the individual appears only as though in a fit of abstraction - "a brown study," as some call it. 10th. The comer-stone of MAGIC is an intimate practical knowledge of magnetism and electricity, their qualities, correlations, and potencies. Especially necessary is a familiarity with their effects in and upon the animal kingdom and man. To sum up all in a few words, MAGIC is spiritual WISDOM; nature, the material ally, pupil and servant of the magician. One common vital principle pervades all things, and this is controllable by the perfected human will. (ISIS UNVEILED, Vol. 2 p. 587 et seq.) ----------------------- In regard to Karma and it operations see this: APHORISMS ON KARMA (1) There is no Karma unless there is a being to make it or feel its effects.[PARA][PARA](2) Karma is the adjustment of effects flowing from causes, during which the being upon whom and through whom that adjustment is effected experiences pain or pleasure.[PARA][PARA](3) Karma is an undeviating and unerring tendency in the Universe to restore equilibrium, and it operates incessantly.[PARA][PARA](4) The apparent stoppage of this restoration to equilibrium is due to the necessary adjustment of disturbance at some other spot, place, or focus which is visible only to the Yogi, to the Sage, or the perfect Seer: there is therefore no stoppage, but only a hiding from view.[PARA][PARA](5) Karma operates on all things and beings from the minutest conceivable atom to Brahma. Proceeding in the three worlds men, gods, and the elemental beings, no spot in the manifested universe is exempt from its sway.[PARA][PARA](6) Karma is not subject to time, and therefore he who knows what is the ultimate division of time in this Universe knows Karma.[PARA][PARA](7) For all other men Karma is in its essential nature unknown and unknowable.[PARA][PARA](8) But its action may be known by calculation from cause to effect; and this calculation is possible because the effect is wrapped up in and is not succedent to the cause.[PARA][PARA](9) The Karma of this earth is the combination of the acts and thoughts of all beings of every grade which were concerned in the preceding Manvantara or evolutionary stream from which ours flows.[PARA][PARA](10) And as those beings include Lords of Power and Holy Men, as well as weak and wicked ones, the period of the earth's duration is greater than that of any entity or race upon it.[PARA][PARA](11) Because the Karma of this earth and its races began in a past too far back for human minds to reach, an inquiry into its beginning is useless and profitless.[PARA][PARA](12) Karmic causes already set in motion must be allowed to sweep on until exhausted, but this permits no man to refuse to help his fellows and every sentient being.[PARA][PARA](13) The effects may be counteracted or mitigated by the thoughts and acts of oneself or of another, and then the resulting effects represent the combination and interaction of the whole number of causes involved in producing the effects.[PARA][PARA](14) In the life of worlds, races, nations, and individuals, Karma cannot act unless there is an appropriate instrument provided for its action.[PARA][PARA](15) And until such appropriate instrument is found, that Karma related to it remains unexpended.[PARA][PARA](16) While a man is experiencing Karma in the instrument provided, his other unexpended Karma is not exhausted through other beings or means, but is held reserved for future operation; and lapse of time during which no operation of that Karma is felt causes no deterioration in its force or change in its nature.[PARA][PARA](17) The appropriateness of an instrument for the operation of Karma consists in the exact connection and relation of the Karma with the body, mind, intellectual and psychical nature acquired for use by the Ego in any life.[PARA][PARA](18) Every instrument used by any Ego in any life is appropriate to the Karma operating through it.[PARA][PARA](19) Changes may occur in the instrument during one life so as to make it appropriate for a new class of Karma, and this may take place in two ways: (a) through intensity of thought and the power of a vow, and (b) through natural alterations due to complete exhaustion of old causes.[PARA][PARA](20) As body and mind and soul have each a power of independent action, any one of these may exhaust, independently of the others, some Karmic causes more remote from or nearer to the time of their inception than those operating through other channels.[PARA][PARA](21) Karma is both merciful and just. Mercy and Justice are only opposite poles of a single whole; and Mercy without Justice is not possible in the operations of Karma. That which man calls Mercy and Justice is defective, errant, and impure.[PARA][PARA](22) Karma may be of three sorts: (a) presently operative in this life through the appropriate instruments; (b) that which is being made or stored up to be exhausted in the future; Karma held over from past life or lives and not operating yet because inhibited by inappropriateness of the instrument in use by the Ego, or by the force of Karma now operating.[PARA][PARA](23) Three fields of operation are used in each being by Karma: (a) the body and the circumstances; (b) the mind and intellect; the psychic and astral planes.[PARA][PARA](24) Held-over Karma or present Karma may each, or both at once, operate in all of the three fields of Karmic operation at once, or in either of those fields a different class of Karma from that using the others may operate at the same time.[PARA][PARA](25) Birth into any sort of body and to obtain the fruits of any sort of Karma is due to the preponderance of the line of Karmic tendency.[PARA][PARA](26) The sway of Karmic tendency will influence the incarnation of an Ego, or any family of Egos, for three lives at least, when measures of repression, elimination, or counteraction are not adopted.[PARA][PARA](27) Measures taken by an Ego to repress tendency, eliminate defects, and to counteract by setting up different causes, will alter the sway of Karmic tendency and shorten its influence in accordance with the strength or weakness of the efforts expended in carrying out the measures adopted.[PARA][PARA](28) No man but a sage or true seer can judge another's Karma. Hence while each receives his deserts, appearances may deceive, and birth into Poverty or heavy trial may not be punishment for bad Karma, for Egos continually incarnate into poor surroundings where they experience difficulties and trials which are for the discipline of the Ego and result in strength, fortitude, and sympathy.[PARA][PARA](29) Race-Karma influences each unit in the race through the law of Distribution. National Karma operates on the members of the nation by the same law more concentrated. Family Karma governs only with a nation where families have been kept pure and distinct; for in any nation where there is a mixture of family - as obtains in each Kaliyuga period - family Karma is in general distributed over a nation. But even at such periods some families remain coherent for long periods, and then the members feel the sway of family Karma. The word "family" may include several smaller families.[PARA][PARA](30) Karma operates to produce cataclysms of nature by concatenation through the mental and astral planes of being. A cataclysm may be traced to an immediate physical cause such as internal fire and atmospheric disturbance, but these have been brought on by the disturbance created through the dynamic power of human thought.[PARA][PARA](31) Egos who have no Karmic connection with a portion of the globe where a cataclysm is coming on are kept without the latter's operation in two ways: (a) by repulsion acting on their inner nature, and (b) by being called and warned by those who watch the progress of the world.[PARA][PARA]Path, March, 1893[PARA] -- W Q Judge ---------------------------------- In regard to healing [PARA]THE CURE OF DISEASES[PARA][PARA][PARA]MORTAL ills and the needs of the stomach rank next after the instinct of self-preservation among all the subjects which engage the attention of the race. If we do not go on living we cannot do the work we think there is to do; if we remain hungry we will lose the power to work properly or to enjoy, and at last come to the door of death. From bad or scanty food follows a train of physical ills called generally disease. [PARA][PARA]Disease reaches us also through too much food. So in every direction these ills attack us; even when our feeding is correct and sufficient it is found that we fall a prey because our Karma, settled by ourselves is some previous life, ordains that we enter on this one handicapped by the hereditary taint due to the wickedness or the errors of our fathers and mothers. And the records of science show that the taint in the blood or the lymph may jump over many lives, attacking with virulence some generation distant very far from the source. [PARA][PARA]What wonder, then that the cure of disease is an all-absorbing subject with every one! ... All of this has given to the schools of mental and so-called "metaphysical" healing a strong pull on the fears, the feelings, the wishes, and the bodies of those to whom they address themselves, and especially in the United States...Why it has more hold here can be left to conjecture, as the point under consideration is why it has any hold at all. It is something like patent medicine. [PARA][PARA]Offer a cure to people for their many ills, and they will take it up; offer it cheap, and they will use it; offer it as an easy method, and they will rush for it under certain conditions. [PARA][PARA]Metaphysical healing is easy for some because it declares, first, that no money need be paid to doctors for medicine; second, that medical fluids and drugs may be dispensed with; and third that it is easily learned and practiced. The difficulties that arise out of the necessities of logic are not present for those who never studied it, but are somewhat potent with those who reason correctly; - but that is not usual for the general run of minds. They see certain effects and accept the assumed cause as the right one. [PARA][PARA]But many persons will not even investigate the system, because they think it requires them to postulate the non-existence of that which they see before their eyes...If they could be induced to just try the method offered for cure, belief might result, for effects indeed often follow. But the popular mind is not in favor of "mind cure," and more prominence is given in the daily papers to cases of death under it than to cures...[PARA] [PARA]I had the opportunity of meeting hundreds of disciples of these schools, and found in nearly all cases that they were not addicted to logic but calmly ignored very plain propositions, satisfied that if cures were accomplished the cause claimed must be the right one, and almost without exception they denied the existence of evil or pain or suffering. [PARA][PARA]There was a concurrence of testimony from all to show that the dominant idea in their minds was the cure of their bodily ills and the continuance of health. The accent was not on the beauty of holiness or the value to them and the community of a right moral system and right life, but on the cure of their diseases. So the conclusion has been forced home that all these schools exist because people desire to be well more than they desire to be good, although they do not object to goodness if that shall bring wholeness.[PARA][PARA]And, indeed, one does not have to be good to gain the benefit of the teachings. It is enough to have confidence, to assert boldly that this does not exist and that that has no power to hurt one... but only that whether you are good or bad the results will follow the firm practice of the method enjoined, irrespective of the ideas of the teachers...[PARA][PARA]Scientific research discloses that the bodies of our race are infected with taints that cause nearly all of our diseases, and school after school of medicine has tried and still tries to find the remedy that will dislodge the foulness in the blood. This is scientific, since it seeks the real physical cause; metaphysical healing says it cures, but cannot prove that the cause is destroyed and not merely palliated...[PARA][PARA]Turning now to medicine we find the Italian Count Mattei promulgating a system of cure by the homeopathic use of subtle vegetable essences which may well give pause to those who would make universal the curing by faith or mind alone. Some of his liquids will instantly stop a violent pain, restore sight, give back hearing, and dissipate abnormal growths. His globules will make a drunken man sober, and, given to the nurse who suckles a babe, will cure the child who takes the milk. The drunkard and the child do not think about or have faith in the remedies, yet they cure. Is it not better to restore health by physical means and leave the high teachings of the healers, all taken from well know sources, for the benefit of our moral nature? ...[PARA][PARA][PARA]The Apostle also gave directions that if any were sick the others should assemble about the bed and anoint with oil, laying on their hands meanwhile: simply physical therapeutics following a long line of ancient precedent dating back to Noah. Moses taught how to cure diseases and to disinfect places where contagion lurked. ...[PARA][PARA]The mass of testimony through the ages is against healing physical ills by the use of the higher forces in nature, and the reason, once well known but later on forgotten, is the one given in the article of January, 1892, - that diseases are gross manifestations showing themselves on their way out of the nature so that one may be purified. To arrest them though thought ignorantly directed is to throw them back into their cause and replant them in their mental plane.[PARA][PARA]This is the true ground of our objection to metaphysical healing practices, which we distinguish from the assumptions and so-called philosophy on which those methods are claimed to stand. For we distinctly urge that the effects are not brought by any philosophical system whatever, but by the practical though ignorant use of psycho-physiological processes.[PARA][PARA]William Q. Judge[PARA]Path, September, 1892[PARA] -------------------------------------- NATURE'S HUMAN MAGNETS Article by H. P. Blavatsky IF any of us now-a-days ventures to relate some weird experience or seemingly incomprehensible phenomenon, two classes of objectors try to stop his mouth with the same gag. The scientist cries--"I have unraveled all Nature's skein, and the thing is impossible; this is no age for miracles!" The Hindu bigot says--"This is the Kali Yug, the spiritual night-time of humanity; miracles are no longer possible." Thus the one from conceit, the other from ignorance reaches the same conclusion, viz., that nothing that smacks of the supernatural is possible in these latter days. The Hindu, however, believes that miracles did once occur, while the scientist does not... Our own views are well-known--we do not believe a "miracle" ever did occur or ever will; we do believe that strange phenomena, falsely styled miraculous, always did occur, are occurring now, and will to the end of time; that these are natural; and that when this fact filters into the consciousness of materialistic skeptics, science will go at leaps and bounds towards that ultimate Truth she has so long been groping after. It is a wearisome and disheartening experience to tell any one about the phenomena of the less familiar side of nature... If we lay down the proposition that everything is the result of combined force and matter, science will approve; but when we move on and say that we have seen phenomena and account for them under this very law...These circumscribing barriers are being vigorously assaulted just now at St. Petersburg. A young girl-medium is "shocking" all the wiseacres of the University... Not far from Petersburg, in a small hamlet...a few years ago a widow, named Margaret Beetch, took a little girl from the House of Foundlings into her service. The little Pelagueya was liked in the family from the first for her sweet disposition, her hard-working zeal, and her great truthfulness. She found herself exceedingly happy in her new home, and for several years no one ever had a cross word for her. Pelagueya finally became a good-looking lass of seventeen, but her temper never changed.... November 3, 1880, accompanied by a farm-servant, she descended into the cellar under the house to get some potatoes. Hardly had they opened the heavy door, when they found themselves pelted with the vegetable. Believing some neighbor's boy must have hidden himself on the wide shelf on which the potatoes were heaped, Pelagueya, placing the basket upon her head, laughingly remarked, "whoever you are, fill it with potatoes and so help me!" In an instant the basket was filled to the brim. Then the other girl tried the same, but the potatoes remained motionless. Climbing upon the shelf, to their amazement the girls found no one there. Having notified the widow Beetch of the strange occurrence, the latter went herself, and unlocking the cellar which had been securely locked by the two maids on leaving, found no one concealed in it. This event was but the precursor of a series of others... >From the moment she left the cellar the invisible "power" which had filled her basket with potatoes, began to assert its presence incessantly, and in the most varied ways. Does Pelagueya Nikolaef prepare to lay wood in the oven--the billets rise in the air and like living things jump upon the fire-place; hardly does she apply a match to them when they blaze already as if fanned by an invisible hand. When she approaches the well, the water begins rising, and soon overflowing the sides of the cistern runs in torrents to her feet; does she happen to pass near a bucket of water--the same thing happens...No sooner does an invalid neighbor place herself for a moment's rest on the girl's bed, than the heavy bedstead is seen levitating towards the very ceiling, then turns upside down and tosses off the impertinent intruder; after which it quietly resumes its former position... This case having been narrated to a spiritist, a rich nobleman residing at St. Petersburg, the latter betook himself immediately after the young girl and carried her away with him to town. The above officially-noted facts are being reprinted in every Russian daily organ of note.... "A new star on the horizon of spiritism has suddenly appeared at St. Petersburg-- speaketh an editorial in the Novoye Vremya, January 1, 1881 ... In the St. Petersburg Gazette, a...reporter gives the following details:--"Miss Pelagueya is a young girl of about nineteen, the daughter of poor but dishonest parents...not very pretty, but with a sympathetic face, very uneducated but intelligent, small in stature but kind at heart, well-proportioned--but nervous. Miss Pelagueya has suddenly manifested most wonderful mediumistic faculties. She is a 'first class Spiritistic Star' as they call her. And, indeed, the young lady seems to have concentrated in her extremities a phenomenal abundance of magnetic aura; thanks to which, she communicates instantaneously to the objects surrounding her hitherto unheard and unseen phenomenal motions. About five days ago, at a séance at which were present the most noted spiritualists and mediums of the St. Petersburg grand monde, occurred the following. Having placed themselves with Pelagueya around a table, they (the spiritists) had barely time to sit down, when each of them received what seemed an electric shock. Suddenly, the table violently upset chairs and all, scattering the enthusiastic company to quite a respectable distance. The medium found herself on the floor with the rest, and her chair began to perform a series of such wonderful aërial jumps that the terrified spiritists had to take to their heels and left the room in a hurry." Most opportunely, while the above case is under consideration, there comes from America the account of a lad who is the son of a Mr. John C. Collins, St. Paul, Minnesota. His age is ten years and it is only recently that the magnetic condition has developed itself--a curious circumstance to be noted. Intellectually he is bright, his health is perfect, and he enters with zest into all boyish sports. His left hand has become "a wonderfully strong magnet. Metal articles of light weight attach themselves to his hand so that considerable force is required to remove them. Knives, pins, needles, buttons, etc., enough to cover his hand, will thus attach themselves so firmly that they cannot be shaken off. Still more, the attraction is so strong that a common coalscuttle can be lifted by it, and heavier implements have been lifted by stronger persons taking hold of his arm. With heavy articles, however, the boy complains of sharp pains darting along his arm. In a lesser degree his left arm and the whole left side of his body exerts the same power, but it is not at all manifest on his right side." The only man who has thrown any great light upon the natural and abnormal magnetic conditions of the human body is the late Baron von Reichenbach of Vienna, a renowned chemist and the discoverer of a new force which is called Odyle. His experiments lasted more than five years, and neither expense, time nor trouble were grudged to make them conclusive. Physiologists had long observed, especially among hospital patients, that a large proportion of human beings can sensibly feel a peculiar influence, or aura, proceeding from the magnet when downward passes are made along their persons but without touching them. And it was also observed that in such diseases as St. Vitus's dance (chorea), and various forms of paralysis, hysteria, &c., the patients showed this sensitiveness in a peculiar degree. But though the great Berzelius and other authorities in science had urged that men of science should investigate it, yet this most important field of research had been left almost untrodden until Baron Reichenbach undertook his great task... For the immediate purpose in view, it needs only be said that he proves that the body of man is filled with an aura, "dynamide," "fluid," vapour, influence or whatever we may choose to call it; that it is alike in both sexes; that it is specially given off at the head, hands, and feet; that, like the aura from the magnet, it is polar; that the whole left side is positive, and imparts a sensation of warmth to a sensitive to whom we may apply our left hand, while the whole right side of the body is negative, and imparts a feeling of coolness. In some individuals this vital magnetic (or, as he calls it, Odylic) force is intensely strong. Thus, we may fearlessly consider and believe any phenomenal case such as the two above-quoted without fear of outstepping the limits of exact science, or of being open to the charge of superstition or credulity. It must at the same time be noted that Baron Reichenbach did not find one patient whose aura either deflected a suspended magnetic needle, or attracted iron objects like lodestone. His researches, therefore, do not cover the whole ground; and of this he was himself fully aware. Persons magnetically surcharged, like the Russian girl and the American boy, are now and then encountered, and among the class of mediums there have been a few famous ones. Thus, the medium Slade's finger, when passed either way over a compass, will attract the needle after it to any extent...So great was the magnetic aura discharging from Slade's hands, however, that "after about five minutes the needle began to swing violently in arcs of from 40° to 60° till at length it several times turned completely round." At a subsequent trial, Professor Weber succeeded in having a common knitting-needle, tested with the compass just before the experiment and found wholly unmagnetized, converted into a permanent magnet. "Slade laid this needle upon a slate, held the latter under the table . . . and in about four minutes, when the slate with the knitting-needle was laid again upon the table, the needle was so strongly magnetised at one end (and only at one end) that iron shavings and sewing-needles stuck to this end; the needle of the compass could be easily drawn round in a circle. The originated pole was a south pole, inasmuch as the north pole of the (compass) needle was attracted, the south pole repelled." Baron Reichenbach's first branch of inquiry was that of the effect of the magnet upon animal nerve; after which he proceeded to observe the effect upon the latter of a similar aura or power found by him to exist in crystals. Not to enter into details--all of which, however, should be read by every one pretending to investigate Asian science--his conclusion he sums up as follows: "With the magnetic force, as we are acquainted with it in the lodestone and the magnetic needle, that force ("Odyle"--the new force he discovered) is associated, with which, in crystals, we have become acquainted." Hence: "The force of the magnet is not, as has been hitherto taken for granted, one single force, but consists of two, since, to that long known, a new hitherto unknown, and decidedly distinct one, must be added, the force, namely, which resides in crystals." One of his patients was a Mlle. Nowotny, and her sensitiveness to the auras of the magnet and crystal was phenomenally acute. When a magnet was held near her hand. it was irresistibly attracted to follow the magnet wherever the Baron moved it. The effect upon her hand "was the same as if some one had seized her hand, and by means of this drawn or bent her body towards her feet." (She was lying in bed, sick, and the magnet was moved in that direction.) When approached close to her hand "the hand adhered so firmly to it, that when the magnet was raised, or moved sidewards, backwards, or in any direction whatever, her hands stuck to it, as if attached in the way in which a piece of iron would have been." This, we see, is the exact reverse of the phenomenon in the American boy Collins' case, for, instead of his hand being attracted to anything, iron objects, light and heavy, seem attracted irresistibly to his hand, and only his left hand. Reichenbach naturally thought of testing Mlle. Nowotny's magnetic condition. He says: "To try this, I took filings of iron, and brought her finger over them. Not the smallest particle adhered to the finger, even when it had just been in contact with the magnet. . . . A magnetic needle finely suspended, to the poles of which I caused her to approach her finger alternately, and in different positions, did not exhibit the slightest tendency to deviation or oscillation." ... Theosophist. April, 1881 ----------------------------------- I hope these are of help, Best wishes, Dallas =================================== -----Original Message----- From: Laura Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 3:02 PM To: Subject: [bn-study] Miracles ~ Grace ~ Healing I have tried to sort this out without much success. Many of us can cite instances in our lives or others' that are so extraordinary as to be termed miracles (minor or major), occasions of grace or healing. Sudden infusion of unexplainable perfection that overrides seemingly hopeless circumstances. Does Theosophy recognize the possibility of 'gifts' such as this. Or are they attributed to the coincidence of karmic balance tipping in the person's favor, therefore rendering it a 'natural' occurence. Then, how to account for the exquisite "timing" of these events. Thanks very much for shedding light. LAM --- From amerman@sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 02 14:27:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: amerman@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71508 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2003 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2003 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 21:27:52 -0000 Received: from adsl-67-112-91-240.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (HELO oemcomputer) (amerman@sbcglobal.net@67.112.91.240 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2003 21:27:52 -0000 Message-ID: <00e701c3294d$d5b47560$210110ac@gateway.2wire.net> To: References: <1053962902.634.74035.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Digest Number 1075 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:27:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Wes Amerman" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145446632 X-Yahoo-Profile: amermanw Dear Daniel, Thanks for bringing our new shopping cart to the attention of this list. We are up and running, at http://www.theosophycompany.org/cart_blavatsky.html but had waited to make sure everything was in place before making a formal announcement. Best Regards, Wes Amerman President The Theosophy Company Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 04:05:50 -0000 From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" Subject: Theosophy Company: Order their books online with your credit card The Theosophy Company's website now offers online purchase of their titles using your credit card. See for example their list of Blavatsky titles at: http://www.theosophycompany.org/cart_blavatsky.html Daniel H. Caldwell From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 18:33:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98428 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 01:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 01:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 01:33:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 01:33:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:33:02 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Shedding light on the omission of the source references to KH's two letters?? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3357 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" X-Originating-IP: 69.9.20.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell Dear [name deleted], Thanks for your PRIVATE reply to my posting at Theos-Talk but you would have been enlightening more people with your answer if you had had it posted directly on . . . Theos-Talk. In my posting, I had written: "In a recent issue of the `Aquarian Theosophist', I noticed an article titled `How the Masters approach an Aspirant'. See page 7 at the following URL: http://www.teosofia.com/Docs/vol-3-6-supplement.pdf ". . . Nowhere in the main text or the footnotes do I find where these two extracts from the Master KH are taken from. To paraphrase Dr. Stokes, the article does NOT `afford the slightest clue to the source [for the Master's words], not the slightest possibility of the student locating it without laborious search'!!" "Could some ULT associate shed some light on this `strange' ULT practice?" .......................................... [I paraphrase the part of the private answer which is relevant to the issue under discussion: ". . . A person who asks for the reference will get it. If people don't ask, they won't get it in sacred matters."] ...................................... You bring up the phrase "sacred matters" so I assume that "sacred matters" MUST have something to do with withholding the "reference." ?? In other words, you SEEM to be saying that the "reference" was NOT given in the AT article because that somehow involves "sacred matters". . . .............................. You seem to be saying that it does NOT involve sacred matters or it is not improper, it is not "sacrilegious" to QUOTE KH's personal letter to H.S. Olcott. BUT YOU ALSO SEEM TO BE SAYING that to give the reader the exact "reference" to where the author of the above AT article obtained the transcription of the letter is somehow improper, somehow inappropriate, even sacrilegious and broaches "sacred matters". It would appear that the author of the above AT article transcribed KH's letter to Olcott from Jinarajadasa's LETTERS FROM THE MASTERS OF THE WISDOM, First Series, Letter 16. Said author even added an AT footnote which was actually written by Jinarajadasa in his notes to Letter 16 in LMW, Vol. I. . . . are you contending that nothing was wrong, nothing was improper or inappropriate in transcribing the letter from that source and ALSO publishing it in the pages of AT? BUT are you ALSO contending that to have given the actual source, the reference so that readers would know that this letter was previously published as Letter 16 in LETTERS FROM THE MASTERS OF THE WISDOM, First Series SOMEHOW crosses the line into "sacred matters" and that is why the reference was NOT given? If the above is not what you are in effect TRYING TO COMMUNICATE, I would truly appreciate a clear explanation in your own words. I'm curious. Did the AT author have permission from the Master KH to publish his personal letter in that issue of AT? I ask this question because IF you are one of those persons who really believes KH did not want any of his personal correspondence published . . . then without KH's permission, how could one . . . in good conscience publish the letter in the pages of AT? Withholding the "reference" from AT readers seems almost trivial in light of what I just wrote in the last paragraph. ........................... Thanks again for your reply. Daniel From danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 21:56:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56065 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 04:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 04:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 04:56:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2003 04:56:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 04:56:17 -0000 To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Concentrate on the Master as a Living Man inside you." Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2481 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" X-Originating-IP: 69.9.20.19 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=39205895 X-Yahoo-Profile: danielhcaldwell "Concentrate on the Master as a Living Man inside you." Master Koot Hoomi once wrote: "Your best method is to concentrate on the Master as a Living Man inside you. Make his image in your heart and a focus of concentration so as to lose all sense of bodily existence in the one thought. . . ." "Every one of you create for yourself a Master. Give him birth and objective being before you in the Astral Light. If he is a real Master he will send his Voice. If he is not a real Master, then the Voice will be that of the Higher Self." Quoted from an E.S.T.S. document. COMPARE the above with the choice quotes below from THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE: "Then from the heart that Power shall rise into the sixth, the middle region, the place between thine eyes, when it becomes the breath of the ONE-SOUL, the voice which filleth all, thy Master's voice. . . ." "Before thou set'st thy foot upon the ladder's upper rung, the ladder of the mystic sounds, thou hast to hear the voice of thy inner GOD [The Higher SELF.] in seven manners. . . . " "Silence thy thoughts and fix thy whole attention on thy Master whom yet thou dost not see, but whom thou feelest. . . ." "Merge into one sense thy senses, if thou would'st be secure against the foe. 'Tis by that sense alone which lies concealed within the hollow of thy brain, that the steep path which leadeth to thy Master may be disclosed before thy Soul's dim eyes." "The light from the ONE Master, the one unfading golden light of Spirit, shoots its effulgent beams on the disciple from the very first. Its rays thread through the thick dark clouds of matter. . . ." "Of teachers there are many; the MASTER-SOUL is one, Alaya, the Universal Soul. Live in that MASTER as ITS ray in thee. Live in thy fellows as they live in IT. . . ." "All is impermanent in man except the pure bright essence of Alaya. Man is its crystal ray; a beam of light immaculate within, a form of clay material upon the lower surface. That beam is thy life-guide and thy true Self, the Watcher and the silent Thinker, the victim of thy lower Self. . . ." "Thy Soul-gaze centre on the One Pure Light . . . ." For more quotes from THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE, see: http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/voiceselectedextracts.htm For the portraits of H.P. Blavatsky's own Masters, see: http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/mastersportraits.htm Daniel H. Caldwell BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER/BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES http://blavatskyarchives.com/introduction.htm From may74nard@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 06:01:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: may74nard@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77017 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 13:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2003 13:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41810.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.144) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 13:01:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030603130141.60137.qmail@web41810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.34.228.120] by web41810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 06:01:41 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: we are told To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Maynard Smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142027857 X-Yahoo-Profile: may74nard we are told to love humanity let go of national boundaries let go of national pride we are told to lend a helping hand leave a shoulder to cry on help your brother but i implore what do you do when we are all at a loss? what do you do when you have a universal problem? we know nuclear waste needs to be disposed But where? 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