From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Mon May 1 12:16:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id MAA00387 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:09:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f From: "Barrett Culmback" To: "Theos-Talk@Theosophy.Com" Cc: Subject: Theos-World Can Anyone Interpret This Passage? Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:08:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB355.3387E7C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB355.3387E7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be most interested in whether anyone who sees this can interpret the passage below. Thank you. Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and intuitive readiness for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in a marriage by mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and those who are willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish speculation, psychic excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of 'the celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months after the birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after the Aquarian Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic equator and entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took place on earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing the key to the 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the time-honoured code language of the Wise Men of the East. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB355.3387E7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BFB355.3387E7C0-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Mon May 1 14:36:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id OAA17323 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:01:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <007e01bfb3a0$051e6300$2920020a@toetag105.its.co.la.ca.us> From: "Eugene Carpenter" To: Subject: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominusly obscure and not interesting to me. Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:04:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Hi, I read through it and it seemed interesting but obscure and with a rather ominus tone which i do not fine attractive. No. I do not understand it. It does not resonate. I've learned that Truth is free and loving and open and easily available to those of pure heart and seeking minds. Sorry. I'm one of those not understanding and not interested at this time. Eugene -----Original Message----- From: Barrett Culmback To: Theos-Talk@Theosophy.Com Cc: bharata@ojai.net Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: Theos-World Can Anyone Interpret This Passage? I would be most interested in whether anyone who sees this can interpret the passage below. Thank you. Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and intuitive readiness for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in a marriage by mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and those who are willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish speculation, psychic excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of 'the celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months after the birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after the Aquarian Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic equator and entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took place on earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing the key to the 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the time-honoured code language of the Wise Men of the East. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Mon May 1 18:05:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id RAA17850 for theos-talk-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:41:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <390E0A2F.1140A634@west.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:50:29 -0700 From: Spencer Kellogg Organization: Spence Surfboards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominusly obscure and not interesting to me. References: <007e01bfb3a0$051e6300$2920020a@toetag105.its.co.la.ca.us> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C62D51709DFF52BD0923443B" Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C62D51709DFF52BD0923443B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> One wonders whether or not this curious paragraph points to a date. "...in >> a marriage by mutual assent," reminds one of that sentence from >> Theosophical literature having to do with our taking one step in the >> adepts' direction with them most assuredly taking one or more steps in >> ours. One thinks of a hologram where a laser beam is split and the >> resulting 'two' beams are then redirected so that their interference >> pattern eventually 'creates' and image. And what of, "the worthless husks >> of feverish speculation..." Isn't that what's been happening on this site >> for the past month or so, all the bickering over senseless he said/she said >> nonsense? Of course, if one were to make the calculations, including leap >> years where appropriate...? Pay more attention to the nothing in the last >> sentence. For if e = mc^2, and nothing is the matter, we get the >> experience of c^2 as spoken of in the Secret Doctrine at the bottom of pg. >> 510 of Cosmogenesis. > > > Spencer > >> >> >> I would be most interested in whether anyone >> who sees this can interpret the passage below. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and intuitive readiness >> >> for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in a marriage >> by >> mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and those who >> are >> willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish speculation, psychic >> excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of >> self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of 'the >> celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months after the >> birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after the Aquarian >> Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic equator and >> entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took place on >> earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing the key to >> the >> 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the time-honoured code >> language of the Wise Men of the East. >> >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com >> >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. I >> would be most interested in whether anyone > > who sees this can interpret the passage below. > > Thank you. > > Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and intuitive readiness > for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in a marriage by > mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and those who are > willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish speculation, psychic > excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of > self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of 'the > celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months after the > birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after the Aquarian > Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic equator and > entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took place on > earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing the key to the > 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the time-honoured code > language of the Wise Men of the East. > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --------------C62D51709DFF52BD0923443B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="kellogg.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Spencer Kellogg Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="kellogg.vcf" begin:vcard n:Kellogg;Spencer x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:kellogg@west.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Spencer Kellogg end:vcard --------------C62D51709DFF52BD0923443B-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 04:41:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id EAA02849 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 04:37:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 02:31:50 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bfb419$407ed820$317bc4d0@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <390E0A2F.1140A634@west.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com May 2 2000 Dear Spencer I recognize the text that you ask about as originating from my old friend Raghavan Iyer of my Bombay college days in the early 1940s. He was about 5 years younger than I, and a very bright student. He had great charisma and drew a number of other bright young minds to him and from there into the study of Theosophy at the Bombay ULT. We formed quite a bright group of young and serious, interested students who wanted to find out what THEOSOPHY had to teach. A few years later he went to Oxford as a Rhodes scholar and got his degree and taught there for a number of years. Later on he got a teaching position in UC Sta. Barbara. And again drew a number of bright minds into the study of Theosophy. A ULT Lodge was started there, around 1971 or 2. In this particular quotation he is making reference to the astrological/astronomical data that represent his own birth in this particular incarnation. Personally I do not think that it has any special significance for anyone but himself. I have asked myself why he printed this, and so far I have not found any useful answer. So I do not pay any attention to it. In any case as you well know, in Theosophy there is no such thing as any claim to personal "authority." THEOSOPHY is IMPERSONAL and UNIVERSAL. We are all privileged to be able to contact it and study it, and then pass it along without any alteration to those who will follow us. I fail to see anything important or ominous in this, and if it is implied, then it is veiled and mysterious. But, you will have noticed the Original Teachings are very clear, and neither "veiled," nor "ominous." Ask yourself, with the knowledge of Theosophy so far acquired, have you anything to fear ? If so, what is it, and why. Can you let me know ? Best wishes, Dallas D T B ======================================== -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer Kellogg Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:50 PM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominusly obscure and not interesting to me. >> One wonders whether or not this curious paragraph points to a date. "...in >> a marriage by mutual assent," reminds one of that sentence from >> Theosophical literature having to do with our taking one step in the >> adepts' direction with them most assuredly taking one or more steps in >> ours. One thinks of a hologram where a laser beam is split and the >> resulting 'two' beams are then redirected so that their interference >> pattern eventually 'creates' and image. And what of, "the worthless husks >> of feverish speculation..." Isn't that what's been happening on this site >> for the past month or so, all the bickering over senseless he said/she said >> nonsense? Of course, if one were to make the calculations, including leap >> years where appropriate...? Pay more attention to the nothing in the last >> sentence. For if e = mc^2, and nothing is the matter, we get the >> experience of c^2 as spoken of in the Secret Doctrine at the bottom of pg. >> 510 of Cosmogenesis. > DTB did you look at SD I 510 & FOOTNOTE ? It deals with the nature of Matter. On SD I 632 HPB says a great deal about the real constitution of "matter" where at the top of the page she discusses the nature of the MONAD and the part that it plays everywhere in evolution. Tyndall made this "ominous confession: " SCIENCE KNOWS NOTHING (and still knows nothing today 2000) OF THE NATURE OF MATTER." But Theosophy does. Best wishes, Dallas > > Spencer > >> >> >> I would be most interested in whether anyone >> who sees this can interpret the passage below. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and intuitive readiness >> >> for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in a marriage >> by >> mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and those who >> are >> willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish speculation, psychic >> excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of >> self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of 'the >> celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months after the >> birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after the Aquarian >> Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic equator and >> entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took place on >> earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing the key to >> the >> 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the time-honoured code >> language of the Wise Men of the East. >> >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com >> >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. I >> would be most interested in whether anyone > > who sees this can interpret the passage below. > > Thank you. > > Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and intuitive readiness > for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in a marriage by > mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and those who are > willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish speculation, psychic > excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of > self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of 'the > celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months after the > birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after the Aquarian > Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic equator and > entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took place on > earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing the key to the > 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the time-honoured code > language of the Wise Men of the East. > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 08:28:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id IAA24583 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:24:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <390ED9A2.9BEFBE6B@west.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 06:35:34 -0700 From: Spencer Kellogg Organization: Spence Surfboards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. References: <001601bfb419$407ed820$317bc4d0@nwc.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2C7C9CCDAF1818C2902D56D1" Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2C7C9CCDAF1818C2902D56D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for the information. Wasn't aware that my post was full of ominousness and fear but will go back and double check. And yes, Prof. Iyer was very bright indeed. One might say that the difference between his brightness and others' was akin to the difference in brightness between the sun and moon. Spencer "W. Dallas TenBroeck" wrote: > May 2 2000 > > Dear Spencer > > I recognize the text that you ask about as originating from my > old friend Raghavan Iyer of my Bombay college days in the early > 1940s. He was about 5 years younger than I, and a very bright > student. He had great charisma and drew a number of other bright > young minds to him and from there into the study of Theosophy at > the Bombay ULT. We formed quite a bright group of young and > serious, interested students who wanted to find out what > THEOSOPHY had to teach. > > A few years later he went to Oxford as a Rhodes scholar and got > his degree and taught there for a number of years. Later on he > got a teaching position in UC Sta. Barbara. And again drew a > number of bright minds into the study of Theosophy. A ULT Lodge > was started there, around 1971 or 2. > > In this particular quotation he is making reference to the > astrological/astronomical data that represent his own birth in > this particular incarnation. > > Personally I do not think that it has any special significance > for anyone but himself. I have asked myself why he printed this, > and so far I have not found any useful answer. So I do not pay > any attention to it. > > In any case as you well know, in Theosophy there is no such thing > as any claim to personal "authority." THEOSOPHY is IMPERSONAL > and UNIVERSAL. We are all privileged to be able to contact it > and study it, and then pass it along without any alteration to > those who will follow us. > > I fail to see anything important or ominous in this, and if it is > implied, then it is veiled and mysterious. But, you will have > noticed the Original Teachings are very clear, and neither > "veiled," nor "ominous." Ask yourself, with the knowledge of > Theosophy so far acquired, have you anything to fear ? If so, > what is it, and why. Can you let me know ? > > Best wishes, > > Dallas > > D T B > > ======================================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com > [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer > Kellogg > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:50 PM > To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my > browser, read > it and it's ominusly obscure and not interesting to me. > > >> One wonders whether or not this curious paragraph points to a > date. "...in > >> a marriage by mutual assent," reminds one of that sentence > from > >> Theosophical literature having to do with our taking one step > in the > >> adepts' direction with them most assuredly taking one or more > steps in > >> ours. One thinks of a hologram where a laser beam is split > and the > >> resulting 'two' beams are then redirected so that their > interference > >> pattern eventually 'creates' and image. And what of, "the > worthless husks > >> of feverish speculation..." Isn't that what's been happening > on this site > >> for the past month or so, all the bickering over senseless he > said/she said > >> nonsense? Of course, if one were to make the calculations, > including leap > >> years where appropriate...? Pay more attention to the nothing > in the last > >> sentence. For if e = mc^2, and nothing is the matter, we get > the > >> experience of c^2 as spoken of in the Secret Doctrine at the > bottom of pg. > >> 510 of Cosmogenesis. > > > > DTB did you look at SD I 510 & FOOTNOTE ? > > It deals with the nature of Matter. > > On SD I 632 HPB says a great deal about the real constitution of > "matter" where at the top of the page she discusses the nature of > the MONAD and the part that it plays everywhere in evolution. > Tyndall made this "ominous confession: " SCIENCE KNOWS NOTHING > (and still knows nothing today 2000) OF THE NATURE OF MATTER." > > But Theosophy does. > > Best wishes, > > Dallas > > > > > Spencer > > > >> > >> > >> I would be most interested in whether anyone > >> who sees this can interpret the passage below. > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and > intuitive readiness > >> > >> for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in > a marriage > >> by > >> mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and > those who > >> are > >> willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish > speculation, psychic > >> excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of > >> self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of > 'the > >> celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months > after the > >> birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after > the Aquarian > >> Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic > equator and > >> entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event > took place on > >> earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing > the key to > >> the > >> 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the > time-honoured code > >> language of the Wise Men of the East. > >> > >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > theos-talk@theosophy.com > >> > >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas > and > >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message > consisting of > >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. I > >> would be most interested in whether anyone > > > > who sees this can interpret the passage below. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and > intuitive readiness > > for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in > a marriage by > > mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and > those who are > > willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish > speculation, psychic > > excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of > > self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of > 'the > > celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months > after the > > birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after > the Aquarian > > Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic > equator and > > entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took > place on > > earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing > the key to the > > 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the > time-honoured code > > language of the Wise Men of the East. > > > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > theos-talk@theosophy.com > > > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message > consisting of > > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --------------2C7C9CCDAF1818C2902D56D1 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="kellogg.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Spencer Kellogg Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="kellogg.vcf" begin:vcard n:Kellogg;Spencer x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:kellogg@west.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Spencer Kellogg end:vcard --------------2C7C9CCDAF1818C2902D56D1-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 10:53:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id KAA19707 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:52:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <001801bfb44e$c07d5030$2920020a@toetag105.its.co.la.ca.us> From: "Eugene Carpenter" To: Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:54:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com My experience of studying the secret doctrine is that it was all very ominous and deep and glamorous and obtruse and secretive and separative and possibly mostly bullshit. After thirty years I have found that it is the most wonderful and-getting-clearer-and-clearer sort-of-stuff that is life-giving and it was I that was the one that was ominous and deep and glamourized and obtuse and secretive and separative and possibily mostly bullshit. Most true esoteric material affects me this way. My personality colorizes my perception much like the earth's atmosphere must affect our view of the rest of the Universe. Other materials that pretend to be true esoteric materials make no sense after adequate study. The good stuff becomes clear and transcendally simple after adequate study. Eugene -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Kellogg To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:19 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. >Thank you for the information. Wasn't aware that my post was full >of ominousness and fear but will go back and double check. And >yes, Prof. Iyer was very bright indeed. One might say that the >difference >between his brightness and others' was akin to the difference in >brightness >between the sun and moon. > >Spencer > > > > > > > > > >"W. Dallas TenBroeck" wrote: > >> May 2 2000 >> >> Dear Spencer >> >> I recognize the text that you ask about as originating from my >> old friend Raghavan Iyer of my Bombay college days in the early >> 1940s. He was about 5 years younger than I, and a very bright >> student. He had great charisma and drew a number of other bright >> young minds to him and from there into the study of Theosophy at >> the Bombay ULT. We formed quite a bright group of young and >> serious, interested students who wanted to find out what >> THEOSOPHY had to teach. >> >> A few years later he went to Oxford as a Rhodes scholar and got >> his degree and taught there for a number of years. Later on he >> got a teaching position in UC Sta. Barbara. And again drew a >> number of bright minds into the study of Theosophy. A ULT Lodge >> was started there, around 1971 or 2. >> >> In this particular quotation he is making reference to the >> astrological/astronomical data that represent his own birth in >> this particular incarnation. >> >> Personally I do not think that it has any special significance >> for anyone but himself. I have asked myself why he printed this, >> and so far I have not found any useful answer. So I do not pay >> any attention to it. >> >> In any case as you well know, in Theosophy there is no such thing >> as any claim to personal "authority." THEOSOPHY is IMPERSONAL >> and UNIVERSAL. We are all privileged to be able to contact it >> and study it, and then pass it along without any alteration to >> those who will follow us. >> >> I fail to see anything important or ominous in this, and if it is >> implied, then it is veiled and mysterious. But, you will have >> noticed the Original Teachings are very clear, and neither >> "veiled," nor "ominous." Ask yourself, with the knowledge of >> Theosophy so far acquired, have you anything to fear ? If so, >> what is it, and why. Can you let me know ? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Dallas >> >> D T B >> >> ======================================== >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com >> [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer >> Kellogg >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:50 PM >> To: theos-talk@theosophy.com >> Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my >> browser, read >> it and it's ominusly obscure and not interesting to me. >> >> >> One wonders whether or not this curious paragraph points to a >> date. "...in >> >> a marriage by mutual assent," reminds one of that sentence >> from >> >> Theosophical literature having to do with our taking one step >> in the >> >> adepts' direction with them most assuredly taking one or more >> steps in >> >> ours. One thinks of a hologram where a laser beam is split >> and the >> >> resulting 'two' beams are then redirected so that their >> interference >> >> pattern eventually 'creates' and image. And what of, "the >> worthless husks >> >> of feverish speculation..." Isn't that what's been happening >> on this site >> >> for the past month or so, all the bickering over senseless he >> said/she said >> >> nonsense? Of course, if one were to make the calculations, >> including leap >> >> years where appropriate...? Pay more attention to the nothing >> in the last >> >> sentence. For if e = mc^2, and nothing is the matter, we get >> the >> >> experience of c^2 as spoken of in the Secret Doctrine at the >> bottom of pg. >> >> 510 of Cosmogenesis. >> > >> >> DTB did you look at SD I 510 & FOOTNOTE ? >> >> It deals with the nature of Matter. >> >> On SD I 632 HPB says a great deal about the real constitution of >> "matter" where at the top of the page she discusses the nature of >> the MONAD and the part that it plays everywhere in evolution. >> Tyndall made this "ominous confession: " SCIENCE KNOWS NOTHING >> (and still knows nothing today 2000) OF THE NATURE OF MATTER." >> >> But Theosophy does. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Dallas >> >> > >> > Spencer >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I would be most interested in whether anyone >> >> who sees this can interpret the passage below. >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and >> intuitive readiness >> >> >> >> for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in >> a marriage >> >> by >> >> mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and >> those who >> >> are >> >> willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish >> speculation, psychic >> >> excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of >> >> self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of >> 'the >> >> celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months >> after the >> >> birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after >> the Aquarian >> >> Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic >> equator and >> >> entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event >> took place on >> >> earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing >> the key to >> >> the >> >> 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the >> time-honoured code >> >> language of the Wise Men of the East. >> >> >> >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- >> theos-talk@theosophy.com >> >> >> >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas >> and >> >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message >> consisting of >> >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to >> theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. I >> >> would be most interested in whether anyone >> > >> > who sees this can interpret the passage below. >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and >> intuitive readiness >> > for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in >> a marriage by >> > mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and >> those who are >> > willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish >> speculation, psychic >> > excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of >> > self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of >> 'the >> > celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months >> after the >> > birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after >> the Aquarian >> > Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic >> equator and >> > entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took >> place on >> > earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing >> the key to the >> > 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the >> time-honoured code >> > language of the Wise Men of the East. >> > >> > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- >> theos-talk@theosophy.com >> > >> > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >> > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message >> consisting of >> > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to >> theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. >> >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com >> >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 11:07:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id LAA21679 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:05:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000502110619.011cf2d4@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:06:19 -0500 To: theos-l@list.vnet.net, theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Theos-World TSA/Krishnamurti Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Recent book on K by Sanat published by TPH has revived the interest of many in K and his message. I found out about the book only after Sanat had posted a msg on one of the maillists. When I went to the website of TSA, some time ago, the absence of two items stood out. One is the lack of the mention of the book itself and the other is the lack of linkage to KFA website. One wonders if these were oversight and not a reflection of the attitudes of TSA leadership towards K!!! mkr -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 11:13:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id LAA22846 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:13:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f From: ASANAT@aol.com Message-ID: <46.4c9c323.2640583e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:11:42 EDT Subject: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important To: listening-l-owner@zrz.tu-berlin.de, act-l@list.vnet.net, theos-talk@theosophy.com CC: averea@juno.com, nppress@vais.net, csanabri@skadden.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 81 Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 5/2/00 1:19:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Steven.Emison@worldnet.att.net writes: << -----Original Message----- From: Judy Card To: Brian & Kelly Urbani ; Corinne Thron ; Iris Cavey ; Jeannette Panske ; Judy Payne ; Kenny Bartlett ; Lauren Card ; Linda McDowell ; maribeth Canida ; Myrtle Williamson ; Patrick Card ; Patty & John Dorney ; Patty Dobson ; Vivian Carter ; Tina Kahn Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:37 PM Subject: Fw: Very Important > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alyssa Miles >To: ; ; >; ; >; ; ; >; ; >Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:18 AM >Subject: Fwd: Very Important > > >> >> > >> > Subject: FW: VERY IMPORTANT!!! >> > >> > Charles P. (Chuck) Gorney, Jr. >> > Small Business Liaison Officer/Subcontracts Administrator >> > Lockheed Martin Space Operations >> > Stennis Programs >> > (228) 688-2634 Telephone >> > (228) 688-2271 Facsimile >> > >> > For your information, a couple of weeks ago, in a Ft. Myers, Florida >> > movie theater, a person sat on something sharp in one of the seats. >When >> > she stood up to see what it was, a needle was found poking through the >> > seat with an attached note saying, "You have been infected with HIV". >The >> > Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta reports similar events have >taken >> > place in >> > several other cities recently. All of the needles tested HAVE been >> positive >> > for HIV. >> > >> > The CDC also reports that needles have been found in the coin return >> > areas of pay phones and soda machines. Everyone is asked to use extreme >> > caution when confronted with these types of situations. All public >> chairs >> > should be thoroughly but safely inspected prior to any use. >> > A thorough visual inspection is considered the bare minimum. >> > Furthermore, they ask that everyone notify their family members and >> friends >> > of the >> > potential dangers, as well. Thank you. >> > >> > The previous information was sent from the Ft. Myers Florida Police >> > Department to all of the local governments in the Washington area and >was >> >> > interdepartmentally dispersed. We were all asked to pass this to as >many >> > people as possible. >> > >> > Nadine M. Poznanski S.A.V.E.S. >> > Coordinator, The Women's Center at Virginia Tech (540)231-5070 >> > PASS THIS ON AND DO TELL AS MANY AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!! >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 11:34:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id LAA25792 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:32:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000502113315.01180ab8@mail.eden.com> X-Sender: ramadoss@mail.eden.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:33:15 -0500 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com From: M K Ramadoss Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important In-Reply-To: <46.4c9c323.2640583e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I have seen this before. However, better be safe than sorry. mkr At 12:11 PM 5/2/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/2/00 1:19:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >Steven.Emison@worldnet.att.net writes: -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 12:50:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id MAA07041 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:48:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <390F1533.747F31F@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:49:39 -0400 From: Michele Lidofsky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important References: <3.0.3.32.20000502113315.01180ab8@mail.eden.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com M K Ramadoss wrote: > > I have seen this before. > However, better be safe than sorry. > mkr > > At 12:11 PM 5/2/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 5/2/00 1:19:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >Steven.Emison@worldnet.att.net writes: > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. I am sorry and a little surprised to see this urban myth being spread through theos- talk... (unless I am such a naive newcomer to it that I cannot tell that this is a joke)! The legend of the 'HIV-coated sharp object w/ attached note' has also been circulated in metropolitan areas with the story that the enemy plants contaminated pins in the coin return slots of public telephones, so that when one sticks her/his fingers in to feel for coins, they also get stuck - with HIV. The rumour can be put to rest, and any fears at ease , with the knowledge that the HIV virus does not survive out of its (live blood) environment on a cold hard surface for more than a couple of minutes at the most. So even if such a trick was attempted, by the time the perpetrator left the scene and some random victim arrives, the virus would be harmless. So don't waste energy worrying about it. - Michele Lidofsky -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 13:10:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id NAA10408 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:07:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <20000502180731.10571.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: clint mccray Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Did you actually call the number at the bottom? If you had, you would have heard the message that says it is a hoax played by Nadine Poznancski, a former employee of SAVES. You may want to check your sources (especially when they are right in front of your face) before enciting more fear in an already fearful world. --- ASANAT@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/2/00 1:19:02 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > Steven.Emison@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Card > To: Brian & Kelly Urbani ; > Corinne Thron > ; Iris Cavey > ; Jeannette Panske > ; Judy Payne > ; Kenny Bartlett > ; Lauren Card > ; Linda McDowell > ; maribeth Canida > ; Myrtle > Williamson ; Patrick Card > ; Patty & John > Dorney ; Patty Dobson > ; Vivian > Carter ; Tina Kahn > > Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:37 PM > Subject: Fw: Very Important > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Alyssa Miles > >To: ; > ; > >; > ; > >; ; > ; > >; > ; > > >Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:18 AM > >Subject: Fwd: Very Important > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > Subject: FW: VERY IMPORTANT!!! > >> > > >> > Charles P. (Chuck) Gorney, Jr. > >> > Small Business Liaison > Officer/Subcontracts Administrator > >> > Lockheed Martin Space Operations > >> > Stennis Programs > >> > (228) 688-2634 Telephone > >> > (228) 688-2271 Facsimile > >> > > >> > For your information, a couple of weeks > ago, in a Ft. Myers, Florida > >> > movie theater, a person sat on something > sharp in one of the seats. > >When > >> > she stood up to see what it was, a > needle was found poking through the > >> > seat with an attached note saying, "You > have been infected with HIV". > >The > >> > Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta > reports similar events have > >taken > >> > place in > >> > several other cities recently. All of > the needles tested HAVE been > >> positive > >> > for HIV. > >> > > >> > The CDC also reports that needles have > been found in the coin return > >> > areas of pay phones and soda machines. > Everyone is asked to use > extreme > >> > caution when confronted with these types > of situations. All public > >> chairs > >> > should be thoroughly but safely > inspected prior to any use. > >> > A thorough visual inspection is > considered the bare minimum. > >> > Furthermore, they ask that everyone > notify their family members and > >> friends > >> > of the > >> > potential dangers, as well. Thank you. > >> > > >> > The previous information was sent from > the Ft. Myers Florida Police > >> > Department to all of the local > governments in the Washington area and > >was > >> > >> > interdepartmentally dispersed. We were > all asked to pass this to as > >many > >> > people as possible. > >> > > >> > Nadine M. Poznanski S.A.V.E.S. > >> > Coordinator, The Women's Center at > Virginia Tech (540)231-5070 > >> > PASS THIS ON AND DO TELL AS MANY AS > POSSIBLE!!!!!!! >> > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of > theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a > message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 13:31:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id NAA12299 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:21:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <20000502182113.9106.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: clint mccray Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is not completely true. A needle must be dipped in and filled with Bleach for ten seconds before the virus existing in any residual fluids is neutralized (or treated otherwise). Let's not forget that there are other diseases in needles as well. (hepatitis, etc.) As far as the rumor, yes, it is an urban myth, don't worry about it. Be careful if you find a bag or clothes, reaching into these things is where people actually get pricked. Police/Fire take most of the brunt of this. But, even if you are poked, and even if the needle does carry disease, you still stand a good chance of being OK. Either way, there is no disease in Devachan. FEAR NOTHING, LOVE ALL and never forget ALL IS ONE > The rumour can be put to rest, and any fears > at ease , with the > knowledge that the HIV virus does not survive > out of its (live blood) > environment on a cold hard surface for more > than a couple of minutes at > the most. So even if such a trick was > attempted, by the time the > perpetrator left the scene and some random > victim arrives, the virus > would be harmless. > > So don't waste energy worrying about it. > > > - Michele Lidofsky > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of > theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a > message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 13:31:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id NAA13813 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:30:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f From: ASANAT@aol.com Message-ID: <44.3428e6e.26407869@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:28:57 EDT Subject: Theos-World Re: A. Sanat, Krishnamurti anecdotes To: act-l@list.vnet.net, listening-l-owner@zrz.tu-berlin.de, theos-talk@theosophy.com CC: nppress@vais.net, csanabri@skadden.com, averea@juno.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 81 Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 4/23/00 2:59:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mas.jag@iprolink.co.nz writes: Thank you very much. I was thrilled to read this post, partly for the history, but more so for the insights, which I felt very in tune with. More darn words (meaning mine) ... :) Please say more. Murray >To M.K. Ramadoss: >Briefly, I first learned of K in 1963, in the Spanish Branch of the >Theosophical Society in New York, where I became a member. > [snip] >Nevertheless, I made what was, much by far, the >most "impossible" of all journeys: I went to India, for his last talks >before he died. Every one had the same opinion: I was nuts. >The e-mail got too long. Sorry. I hope that is what you asked for. I can >say more, if you wish. >Blessings, >Aryel >> Dear Murray, Thanks for your interest. Darn words ARE a huge stumbling block, & realizing that is an enormous step. I suppose the "more" I could say relates to what happened after K died. As I said before, I had given up on speaking, discussing, writing, or communicating anything having to do with "deeper" things, seeing that all of those could be distractions from the moment-to-moment transformational processes, which is after all the only thing that truly matters in life. But in 1985, something "new" happened. After going to the K talks in Ojai, to which I had gone because of my certainty that he was about to die, I began to feel completely differently. I realized that, once K was gone, those of us left behind had an enormous responsibility, apart from the daily transformative processes. There is a side to this work that calls for mutual sharing of insights, to help bring about transformation in a social, global setting. After all, individual transformation that implies global transformation has always been THE centerpiece of all perennial work. Perhaps one does need to deal with the personal "stuff" & be "by oneself" for a period. But the time comes when there has to be an opening to the wider work, with all its tremendous difficulties & unfairnesses, mostly stemming from expectations & fears based on conditioning. So I began to write down material I had been working on since 1963, & which I had laid temporarily aside, during my six-year silence. It began, at the time, with two projects I worked on, simultaneously. The first one was a Commentary on The Stanzas of Dzyan. You might think that odd, coming from someone so deeply impacted by K's work. But what I had seen in the Stanzas, almost from the first time I read them, was a PSYCHOLOGICAL work of transformation, not a METAPHYSICAL work of concepts. Later, I was able to confirm that this was indeed the intention of HPB's teachers, in giving this ancient sacred text to the world. I think I wrote about 500 pages of commentary, all of it written quite fast, & therefore much in need of editing. Eventually, I gave up on that project, & thought it'd be better to write a separate work, which I called The Stanzas of Zen. Rather than a commentary, this consisted of providing documentation for the fact that The Stanzas of Dzyan are indeed a very ancient sacred text of transformation, with very intimate connections to the Maitreya-Nagarjuna-Aryasanga "tradition" -- and to K. This way, rather than "accept" my own commentary, readers would be able to make up their own minds about how they see all this, once they had at their disposal all the facts I give there. The other project I began working on in 1985 was Krishnamurti's Astrological Chart. I had earned a living as an astrologer for a few years, & had been fascinated by many intriguing things I discovered in the astrology of K's life, which goes beyond his personal chart. Unfortunately, this work was left incomplete at the time, because I got involved in other work. I do intend to get back to it, though, because, as I say, there is a great deal of fascinating material in that research, quite poignant. After K's death in February, 1986, I went to the Gathering that had been organized by the KFA for what would have been his next Ojai talks. There I met Albion Patterson, who had been entrusted by K in 1972 with the project of creating a Master Index & Guide to K's Works (Albion was then a Trustee of the KFA). The first step was the creation of an indexing style. This was far more difficult than one might think. The reason: The Index had to meet simultaneously two different sets of criteria, and the two were mutually exclusive & incompatible. For 14 years, Albion had tried 9 times, with a different team of editors & indexers each time, to come up with a style that would be acceptable to the two approaches: One was the standard library approach that scholars use; the other would be an approach that would be sensitive to the flowing, non-concept-bound nature of K's work. For instance, in discussing beauty, K might also discuss love, death, "what is," & a number of other issues, which a conventional indexing approach would miss altogether, since the connections would not be reflected correctly. Also, if one indexes K in the "standard" way, one is thereby misrepresenting his work, since there are no fixed concepts at all in any of it -- & the "standard" approach REQUIRES specific concepts. So the "standard" indexing, far from helping, would itself stand for a gross misrepresentation of what K said. This was like solving a koan. So I & another person (an editor friend) got involved as the 10th team to attempt this, which all the others had failed at achieving. We had six months in which to do it, & we both gave up our jobs in order to work at it full-time. In December, 1986, the style we devised was approved by both an expert librarian (who had been hired specifically for this purpose) and by the team of "K experts" who had been, appropriately, unhappy with the mistreatment of K's work that a standard format subjected it to. Unfortunately, all was for naught. Even though, after all those years of trying, the solution was finally found, the KFA had no money to proceed with the project! So it was shelved. Has been, ever since. I made myself the promise, to myself, that if & when I could put together the funding & the team to do this, I would go back to it, & get it done, "the way God commanded." It is unlikely that the KFA will go back to this project at this point, given that all of K's work is on CD ROM, & that perhaps there is not the understanding of why getting this done would be important. So I went back to working on books, of which I've now written a dozen, mostly on the nature of theosophy, K's place in history, & the reality and theosophical sources of the perennial renaissance. I also have 4 projects that deal simultaneously with academic philosophy, & K's paramount importance in the leading edge of philosophy, as we speak. With affection, Aryel -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. 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From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 13:50:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id NAA16130 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:43:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <009301bfb466$98654220$2920020a@toetag105.its.co.la.ca.us> From: "Eugene Carpenter" To: Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:44:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com I almost sent this message out to alot of important people but cancelled at the last moment because the public health service has the responsibility to get the word our in such matters it seems to me. I must say that I would not have thought to check the source. I would have been fooled. I'm glad for this experience as it reminds me to confirm that that something of this nature is valid. It is hard to believe that someone would play a hoax like this. I hope the person is prosecuted. To the person that passed it on. It is very understandable. The purpose of a hoax is to fool us. And we all live and swim in this illusion, called the appearance of life, cause we're here to learn about illusions and how deeply one can be fooled. Gene -----Original Message----- From: clint mccray To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important >Did you actually call the number at the bottom? >If you had, you would have heard the message that >says it is a hoax played by Nadine Poznancski, a >former employee of SAVES. You may want to check >your sources (especially when they are right in >front of your face) before enciting more fear in >an already fearful world. > >--- ASANAT@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 5/2/00 1:19:02 AM Eastern >> Daylight Time, >> Steven.Emison@worldnet.att.net writes: >> >> << >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Judy Card >> To: Brian & Kelly Urbani ; >> Corinne Thron >> ; Iris Cavey >> ; Jeannette Panske >> ; Judy Payne >> ; Kenny Bartlett >> ; Lauren Card >> ; Linda McDowell >> ; maribeth Canida >> ; Myrtle >> Williamson ; Patrick Card >> ; Patty & John >> Dorney ; Patty Dobson >> ; Vivian >> Carter ; Tina Kahn >> >> Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:37 PM >> Subject: Fw: Very Important >> >> >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Alyssa Miles >> >To: ; >> ; >> >; >> ; >> >; ; >> ; >> >; >> ; >> >> >Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:18 AM >> >Subject: Fwd: Very Important >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Subject: FW: VERY IMPORTANT!!! >> >> > >> >> > Charles P. (Chuck) Gorney, Jr. >> >> > Small Business Liaison >> Officer/Subcontracts Administrator >> >> > Lockheed Martin Space Operations >> >> > Stennis Programs >> >> > (228) 688-2634 Telephone >> >> > (228) 688-2271 Facsimile >> >> > >> >> > For your information, a couple of weeks >> ago, in a Ft. Myers, Florida >> >> > movie theater, a person sat on something >> sharp in one of the seats. >> >When >> >> > she stood up to see what it was, a >> needle was found poking through the >> >> > seat with an attached note saying, "You >> have been infected with HIV". >> >The >> >> > Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta >> reports similar events have >> >taken >> >> > place in >> >> > several other cities recently. All of >> the needles tested HAVE been >> >> positive >> >> > for HIV. >> >> > >> >> > The CDC also reports that needles have >> been found in the coin return >> >> > areas of pay phones and soda machines. >> Everyone is asked to use >> extreme >> >> > caution when confronted with these types >> of situations. All public >> >> chairs >> >> > should be thoroughly but safely >> inspected prior to any use. >> >> > A thorough visual inspection is >> considered the bare minimum. >> >> > Furthermore, they ask that everyone >> notify their family members and >> >> friends >> >> > of the >> >> > potential dangers, as well. Thank you. >> >> > >> >> > The previous information was sent from >> the Ft. Myers Florida Police >> >> > Department to all of the local >> governments in the Washington area and >> >was >> >> >> >> > interdepartmentally dispersed. We were >> all asked to pass this to as >> >many >> >> > people as possible. >> >> > >> >> > Nadine M. Poznanski S.A.V.E.S. >> >> > Coordinator, The Women's Center at >> Virginia Tech (540)231-5070 >> >> > PASS THIS ON AND DO TELL AS MANY AS >> POSSIBLE!!!!!!! >> >> >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- >> theos-talk@theosophy.com >> >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of >> theosophical ideas and >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a >> message consisting of >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to >> theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >-- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > >Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and >teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of >"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 14:36:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id OAA23717 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:31:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <390F2D72.65DE9A59@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:33:06 -0400 From: Michele Lidofsky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important References: <20000502182113.9106.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com It is true that infected drug users who would share a hypodermic needle by passing it to a fellow user soon after use chance passing on HIV (specifically) in that needle (and that is why such drug users are told they must sterilize this type of needle with bleach). But I understand that most sharps - sewing needles, pins, etc. - still will not carry live virus on their surfaces for a long enough time for this particular kind of hoax under average conditions. (Hasn't the test record shown that even under extremely favorable conditions, like a warm wet public toilet seat in fairly constant use, the longest the virus has 'survived' on a hard surface is fifteen minutes to one-half hour?) In either case, I totally agree it's better to be safe than sorry. - Michele L. clint mccray wrote: > > This is not completely true. A needle must be > dipped in and filled with Bleach for ten seconds > before the virus existing in any residual fluids > is neutralized (or treated otherwise). Let's not > forget that there are other diseases in needles > as well. (hepatitis, etc.) As far as the rumor, > yes, it is an urban myth, don't worry about it. > > Be careful if you find a bag or clothes, reaching > into these things is where people actually get > pricked. Police/Fire take most of the brunt of > this. But, even if you are poked, and even if > the needle does carry disease, you still stand a > good chance of being OK. Either way, there is no > disease in Devachan. > > FEAR NOTHING, LOVE ALL and never forget ALL IS > ONE > > > The rumour can be put to rest, and any fears > > at ease , with the > > knowledge that the HIV virus does not survive > > out of its (live blood) > > environment on a cold hard surface for more > > than a couple of minutes at > > the most. So even if such a trick was > > attempted, by the time the > > perpetrator left the scene and some random > > victim arrives, the virus > > would be harmless. > > > > So don't waste energy worrying about it. > > > > > > - Michele Lidofsky > > > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > > theos-talk@theosophy.com > > > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of > > theosophical ideas and > > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a > > message consisting of > > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > > theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 15:34:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA29953 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:06:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f From: LeonMaurer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:05:31 EDT Subject: Theos-World Re: Reed Carson's latest comments on the Theosophy Company's edition of the VOICE OF THE SILENCE To: theos-talk@theosophy.com, basic@blavatsky.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 25 Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com In a message dated 04/30/00 11:34:31 PM, blafoun@azstarnet.com writes: (in reply to Reed Carson) (Snip) >In at least two emails, Peter Merriott has questioned the need to make >a change concerning the phrase "thin oblong squares". He wrote in part: > >"HPB writes: > "The original PRECEPTS are engraved on thin oblong squares" > (Original edition, page vii, caps added where italics put in original) > >"Unfortunately, in my view, the wording of this has been altered in the ULT >edition wherein the word "squares" has been removed thus rendering the >passage: > > "The original Precepts are engraved on thin oblongs.." (ULT edition) > >"In the Collected Writings of HPB we find an article by her wherein we >discover that she has used the term OBLONG SQUARES before. So it is >somewhat puzzling why this phrase should have been altered (presumably >corrected?) in the ULT edition. . . . ." > >"The words OBLONG SQUARE are italicised in the above article which >suggests HPB wished to draw our attention to its special significance. . . . ." > >". . . . Clearly then, this is no mistake, no idle phrase or term that HPB >is using in the VOICE. So again, one might ask why change it in the VOICE >OF THE SILENCE, why remove the word "squares" to leave the phrase "thin >oblongs"? For to do so is to delete something very important in the text, >or so it seems to me. . . ." > >". . . .Do we perhaps get a sense that this term OBLONG SQUARE is an >important one, and should have remained untouched as HPB wrote it in her >original VOICE OF THE SILENCE? . . . "' The word "oblong square" is a meaningless term, perhaps even an oxymoronic one, that Judge, as both an occultist who was greatly trusted by HPB, as well as an accomplished writer, editor and scholar, recognized as a mathematically (as well as a scientifically) incredible term... Since the word "oblong" means that the length of a rectangle is greater than its width... And, a "square" is defined solely as a rectangle having equal sides. Therefore, a square cannot be an oblong, nor an oblong, a square -- and there can be no such thing as an "oblong square." So, Judge was perfectly justified in editing out the offending words and substituting what was really meant. I also cannot see how any such materially descriptive word, correct or incorrect, has any reference to theosophy, its truths, or its recommended yoga practices, esoteric or not. If this is an example of the "serious and misleading" editorial changes that Judge made of HPB's work, what's all this hubbub about? Judging from the brouhaha about the changes in the VOS, we might just as well say that Judge's rewriting, or should we say, transliterating into "readable" English, in his Ocean of Theosophy, of HPB's teachings in the SD, lost much of the esoteric meaning. Or, that his transliteration of Patanjali's Yoga Aphorisms also distorted its esoteric meaning. That would be poppycock and another example of the sort of nit picking going on in these forums that does nothing but add to the confusion of theosophical students and gives grist for the mill to the detractors of theosophy.... (Not to mention the waste of time in opening raading and trashing slews of self serving, criticising, gossiping, thanking, and hand washing letters that have no relevance to the the study or discussion of theosophy, and its meanings and relationship to each and all of our lives in conjunction with the "lives" of both the Earth and the Universe.) Such linguistic and technical mistakes by HPB, along with KH and M, I presume (who dictated much of the SD) -- to whom English was a "foreign" language. (And there were a number of such understandable "errors" in both spelling and syntax in HPB's so called, "carefully edited" writings, as well as her use of italics, that had no other meaning than HPB's propensity to emphasize words, or notate references to them, by underlining.) Therefore, all this has absolutely no reference to the validity or understanding (by the "intuitive student") of the teachings, themselves... And certainly not worth the misleading commentaries and ranting about it. Having examined both editions of the VOS, as well as well as almost every English version of Patanjali, and having tested the commentaries in the SD against the inherent logic and scientific validity of the "formulas" in the Book of Dzyan, I find no contradictions or loss of esoteric meaning in any of the writings of both WQJ and HPB -- no matter what purely editorial (not interpretive) changes were made by their respected, if not chosen, editors. (I cannot, however, speak for those later editors in the TS that took it on themselves to not only edit, but to "reinterpret" the Secret Doctrine teachings.) I hope we can all get back to discussing the "theosophy" -- originally re-presented in English by HPB, as a "synthesis of science, religion and philosophy" -- from whatever source it may come, and not be so involved in giving credence to and arguing with those who think the teachings have anything to do with the personalities, personal opinions, or individual foible s of the teachers. What practices we each engage in for our own self realization, as well as how we carry out our personal lives, have no relevance to the study, teaching, or application of theosophy -- which should be the major point of discussion in these forums. I'm certain HPB would agree fully with this -- since she already warned us against getting side tracked by such "side issues" -- to the detriment of the Theosophical Movement LHM -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 15:37:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA32066 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:21:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f From: "W. Dallas TenBroeck" To: Subject: RE: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:16:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bfb473$40a72dc0$327bc4d0@nwc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <390ED9A2.9BEFBE6B@west.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com May 2nd 2000 Dear Spencer: Thanks for your reply, Now let me add to what I had written earlier: I have known Raghavan Iyer a great deal longer than any of you have. Compared to HPB's WISDOM-LIGHT, AND THE LIGHT OF THE MASTERS, ALL OUR "KNOWLEDGE" INCLUDING THAT OF RAGHAVAN IYER, PALES INTO A MERE CANDLELIGHT. We are in no position to make comparisons or to proclaim things on behalf of another that we have not PROVED nor can we PROVE them. But, THEOSOPHY, as a universal and impartite philosophy, as a statement of facts in Nature, as an account of the History of our World and of the work of the GREAT ADEPTS and their Chelas and the LODGE, we can demonstrate as being accurate all the way through. HPB and the Masters have invited us to do that. Have we been doing this, or are we looking for short-cuts? Are we trying to assume someone else's work as being such a "short-cut?" If we are, are we not in danger of becoming "blind believers ?" THEOSOPHY does not recommend that at all. To the extent that anyone of us, students, may have come close to expressing THEOSOPHY, to that extent we may humbly and silently carry on the MASTERS' work. We have to be honest TRANSMITTERS, not INTERPRETERS. But, we do not interpose ourselves between the MASTERS (or HPB) and any of the students, nor do we try to eclipse their WISDOM, which like the SUN (as you say) shines forth on all -- we are all "moons" reflecting the "light from above." The HIGHER SELF is our common SOURCE and that is the UNIVERSAL ATMAN. Interiorly we are all parts of the ABSOLUTE BE-NESS -- SPIRIT. None is subordinate to any other. NO ONE CAN CLAIM TO BE ANY CLOSER TO THAT ONE ABSOLUTE THAN ANY OTHER IS. The HIGHER SELF, our Atma, is forever enshrined in the depths of our own Heart and consciousness. No one can take it from us. No one can interpret it but ourselves. At no time are we invited to make proclamations on behalf of other students. Our work is to proclaim the ORIGINAL TEACHINGS and not the "filters" that others may have discovered. (Although those can be 'shared.') MORE IMPORTANT STILL: NO ONE OF US IS IN ANY POSITION TO EVALUATE THE ALTITUDE OF ATTAINMENT OF ANOTHER STUDENT. ONLY THE MASTER CAN DO THAT -- and that is done privately and only to the student concerned, and is NEVER broadcast to others. Take the example of the GREAT BUDDHA. He did not go about saying: "BEHOLD I KNOW...." He traveled up and down India for 80 years after attaining ENLIGHTENMENT, saying always: "Thus have I heard ..... " Can we do anything more than that ? That is the ULT way. NO ONE may make any claims at all. See again what the DECLARATION states. Best wishes, Dallas ================================= -----Original Message----- From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer Kellogg Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:36 AM To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. Thank you for the information. Wasn't aware that my post was full of ominousness and fear but will go back and double check. And yes, Prof. Iyer was very bright indeed. One might say that the difference between his brightness and others' was akin to the difference in brightness between the sun and moon. Spencer "W. Dallas TenBroeck" wrote: > May 2 2000 > > Dear Spencer > > I recognize the text that you ask about as originating from my > old friend Raghavan Iyer of my Bombay college days in the early > 1940s. He was about 5 years younger than I, and a very bright > student. He had great charisma and drew a number of other bright > young minds to him and from there into the study of Theosophy at > the Bombay ULT. We formed quite a bright group of young and > serious, interested students who wanted to find out what > THEOSOPHY had to teach. > > A few years later he went to Oxford as a Rhodes scholar and got > his degree and taught there for a number of years. Later on he > got a teaching position in UC Sta. Barbara. And again drew a > number of bright minds into the study of Theosophy. A ULT Lodge > was started there, around 1971 or 2. > > In this particular quotation he is making reference to the > astrological/astronomical data that represent his own birth in > this particular incarnation. > > Personally I do not think that it has any special significance > for anyone but himself. I have asked myself why he printed this, > and so far I have not found any useful answer. So I do not pay > any attention to it. > > In any case as you well know, in Theosophy there is no such thing > as any claim to personal "authority." THEOSOPHY is IMPERSONAL > and UNIVERSAL. We are all privileged to be able to contact it > and study it, and then pass it along without any alteration to > those who will follow us. > > I fail to see anything important or ominous in this, and if it is > implied, then it is veiled and mysterious. But, you will have > noticed the Original Teachings are very clear, and neither > "veiled," nor "ominous." Ask yourself, with the knowledge of > Theosophy so far acquired, have you anything to fear ? If so, > what is it, and why. Can you let me know ? > > Best wishes, > > Dallas > > D T B > > ======================================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com > [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer > Kellogg > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:50 PM > To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my > browser, read > it and it's ominusly obscure and not interesting to me. > > >> One wonders whether or not this curious paragraph points to a > date. "...in > >> a marriage by mutual assent," reminds one of that sentence > from > >> Theosophical literature having to do with our taking one step > in the > >> adepts' direction with them most assuredly taking one or more > steps in > >> ours. One thinks of a hologram where a laser beam is split > and the > >> resulting 'two' beams are then redirected so that their > interference > >> pattern eventually 'creates' and image. And what of, "the > worthless husks > >> of feverish speculation..." Isn't that what's been happening > on this site > >> for the past month or so, all the bickering over senseless he > said/she said > >> nonsense? Of course, if one were to make the calculations, > including leap > >> years where appropriate...? Pay more attention to the nothing > in the last > >> sentence. For if e = mc^2, and nothing is the matter, we get > the > >> experience of c^2 as spoken of in the Secret Doctrine at the > bottom of pg. > >> 510 of Cosmogenesis. > > > > DTB did you look at SD I 510 & FOOTNOTE ? > > It deals with the nature of Matter. > > On SD I 632 HPB says a great deal about the real constitution of > "matter" where at the top of the page she discusses the nature of > the MONAD and the part that it plays everywhere in evolution. > Tyndall made this "ominous confession: " SCIENCE KNOWS NOTHING > (and still knows nothing today 2000) OF THE NATURE OF MATTER." > > But Theosophy does. > > Best wishes, > > Dallas > > > > > Spencer > > > >> > >> > >> I would be most interested in whether anyone > >> who sees this can interpret the passage below. > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and > intuitive readiness > >> > >> for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in > a marriage > >> by > >> mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and > those who > >> are > >> willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish > speculation, psychic > >> excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of > >> self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of > 'the > >> celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months > after the > >> birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after > the Aquarian > >> Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic > equator and > >> entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event > took place on > >> earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing > the key to > >> the > >> 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the > time-honoured code > >> language of the Wise Men of the East. > >> > >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > theos-talk@theosophy.com > >> > >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas > and > >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message > consisting of > >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. I > >> would be most interested in whether anyone > > > > who sees this can interpret the passage below. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and > intuitive readiness > > for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in > a marriage by > > mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and > those who are > > willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish > speculation, psychic > > excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of > > self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of > 'the > > celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months > after the > > birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after > the Aquarian > > Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic > equator and > > entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took > place on > > earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing > the key to the > > 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the > time-honoured code > > language of the Wise Men of the East. > > > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > theos-talk@theosophy.com > > > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message > consisting of > > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 16:04:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA02412 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:40:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <003d01bfb476$b24d1540$3dcd44c6@rsalts> From: "Richard Salts" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Theos-World Can Anyone Interpret This Passage? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:40:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BFB44C.C84A7420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BFB44C.C84A7420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Barrett, I don't know if you thought of this before you sent out this message, = but in the future, could you please black letters on white background? = That will make for much easier reading. As this post is now, it's = difficult to read because both the print and the background are very = dark. Richard ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barrett Culmback=20 To: Theos-Talk@Theosophy.Com=20 Cc: bharata@ojai.net=20 Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:08 PM Subject: Theos-World Can Anyone Interpret This Passage? I would be most interested in whether anyone who sees this can interpret the passage below. =20 Thank you. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and intuitive = readiness for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in = a marriage by mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, = and those who are willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish = speculation, psychic excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the = golden grain of self-validating truth in the mathematically precise = marking of 'the celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 = months after the birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months = after the Aquarian Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the = galactic equator and entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), = an event took place on earth, under the aegis of the asterism = Punarvarsu, containing the key to the 1975 Cycle. This says everything = and nothing, in the time-honoured code language of the Wise Men of the = East. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BFB44C.C84A7420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Barrett,
 
I don't know if you thought of this = before you sent=20 out this message, but in the future, could you please black letters on = white=20 background?  That will make for much easier reading.  As this = post is=20 now, it's difficult to read because both the print and the background = are very=20 dark.
 
Richard
 
 
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From:=20 Barrett Culmback =
To: Theos-Talk@Theosophy.Com
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 = 12:08 PM
Subject: Theos-World Can Anyone = Interpret=20 This Passage?

I = would be most=20 interested in whether anyone
who sees this=20 can interpret the passage below.
 
Thank=20 you.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

      Retrospective = insight=20 into the 1875 Cycle and intuitive readiness for 1975 are indissolubly = wedded,=20 with no danger of divorce in a marriage by mutual assent. The Wheel of = the=20 Good Law moves swiftly on, and those who are willing to drive out the=20 worthless husks of feverish speculation, psychic excitement and unholy = curiosity must seek the golden grain of self-validating truth in the=20 mathematically precise marking of 'the celestial dial' on the Solar = Clock. 14=20 x 7 years and 7 months after the birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 = years and=20 9 months after the Aquarian Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun = crossed=20 the galactic equator and entered the constellation of Punarvarsu = (Pollux), an=20 event took place on earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, = containing the key to the 1975 Cycle. This says everything and = nothing, in the=20 time-honoured code language of the Wise Men of the=20 East.     

 

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BFB44C.C84A7420-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 17:40:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id RAA17807 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:32:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <390F5A16.5F0664B1@west.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:43:36 -0700 From: Spencer Kellogg Organization: Spence Surfboards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. References: <001801bfb44e$c07d5030$2920020a@toetag105.its.co.la.ca.us> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------072390BCBEABE994ACF605D1" Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------072390BCBEABE994ACF605D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eugene Carpenter wrote: > > The good stuff becomes clear and transcendally simple > after adequate study. > > Eugene I couldn't agree more. http://www.theosophy.org/HermesByDate.htm Spencer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer Kellogg > To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it > and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. > > >Thank you for the information. Wasn't aware that my post was full > >of ominousness and fear but will go back and double check. And > >yes, Prof. Iyer was very bright indeed. One might say that the > >difference > >between his brightness and others' was akin to the difference in > >brightness > >between the sun and moon. > > > >Spencer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"W. Dallas TenBroeck" wrote: > > > >> May 2 2000 > >> > >> Dear Spencer > >> > >> I recognize the text that you ask about as originating from my > >> old friend Raghavan Iyer of my Bombay college days in the early > >> 1940s. He was about 5 years younger than I, and a very bright > >> student. He had great charisma and drew a number of other bright > >> young minds to him and from there into the study of Theosophy at > >> the Bombay ULT. We formed quite a bright group of young and > >> serious, interested students who wanted to find out what > >> THEOSOPHY had to teach. > >> > >> A few years later he went to Oxford as a Rhodes scholar and got > >> his degree and taught there for a number of years. Later on he > >> got a teaching position in UC Sta. Barbara. And again drew a > >> number of bright minds into the study of Theosophy. A ULT Lodge > >> was started there, around 1971 or 2. > >> > >> In this particular quotation he is making reference to the > >> astrological/astronomical data that represent his own birth in > >> this particular incarnation. > >> > >> Personally I do not think that it has any special significance > >> for anyone but himself. I have asked myself why he printed this, > >> and so far I have not found any useful answer. So I do not pay > >> any attention to it. > >> > >> In any case as you well know, in Theosophy there is no such thing > >> as any claim to personal "authority." THEOSOPHY is IMPERSONAL > >> and UNIVERSAL. We are all privileged to be able to contact it > >> and study it, and then pass it along without any alteration to > >> those who will follow us. > >> > >> I fail to see anything important or ominous in this, and if it is > >> implied, then it is veiled and mysterious. But, you will have > >> noticed the Original Teachings are very clear, and neither > >> "veiled," nor "ominous." Ask yourself, with the knowledge of > >> Theosophy so far acquired, have you anything to fear ? If so, > >> what is it, and why. Can you let me know ? > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Dallas > >> > >> D T B > >> > >> ======================================== > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com > >> [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer > >> Kellogg > >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:50 PM > >> To: theos-talk@theosophy.com > >> Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my > >> browser, read > >> it and it's ominusly obscure and not interesting to me. > >> > >> >> One wonders whether or not this curious paragraph points to a > >> date. "...in > >> >> a marriage by mutual assent," reminds one of that sentence > >> from > >> >> Theosophical literature having to do with our taking one step > >> in the > >> >> adepts' direction with them most assuredly taking one or more > >> steps in > >> >> ours. One thinks of a hologram where a laser beam is split > >> and the > >> >> resulting 'two' beams are then redirected so that their > >> interference > >> >> pattern eventually 'creates' and image. And what of, "the > >> worthless husks > >> >> of feverish speculation..." Isn't that what's been happening > >> on this site > >> >> for the past month or so, all the bickering over senseless he > >> said/she said > >> >> nonsense? Of course, if one were to make the calculations, > >> including leap > >> >> years where appropriate...? Pay more attention to the nothing > >> in the last > >> >> sentence. For if e = mc^2, and nothing is the matter, we get > >> the > >> >> experience of c^2 as spoken of in the Secret Doctrine at the > >> bottom of pg. > >> >> 510 of Cosmogenesis. > >> > > >> > >> DTB did you look at SD I 510 & FOOTNOTE ? > >> > >> It deals with the nature of Matter. > >> > >> On SD I 632 HPB says a great deal about the real constitution of > >> "matter" where at the top of the page she discusses the nature of > >> the MONAD and the part that it plays everywhere in evolution. > >> Tyndall made this "ominous confession: " SCIENCE KNOWS NOTHING > >> (and still knows nothing today 2000) OF THE NATURE OF MATTER." > >> > >> But Theosophy does. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Dallas > >> > >> > > >> > Spencer > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I would be most interested in whether anyone > >> >> who sees this can interpret the passage below. > >> >> > >> >> Thank you. > >> >> > >> >> Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and > >> intuitive readiness > >> >> > >> >> for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in > >> a marriage > >> >> by > >> >> mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and > >> those who > >> >> are > >> >> willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish > >> speculation, psychic > >> >> excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of > >> >> self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of > >> 'the > >> >> celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months > >> after the > >> >> birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after > >> the Aquarian > >> >> Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic > >> equator and > >> >> entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event > >> took place on > >> >> earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing > >> the key to > >> >> the > >> >> 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the > >> time-honoured code > >> >> language of the Wise Men of the East. > >> >> > >> >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > >> theos-talk@theosophy.com > >> >> > >> >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas > >> and > >> >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message > >> consisting of > >> >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > >> theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. I > >> >> would be most interested in whether anyone > >> > > >> > who sees this can interpret the passage below. > >> > > >> > Thank you. > >> > > >> > Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and > >> intuitive readiness > >> > for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce in > >> a marriage by > >> > mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on, and > >> those who are > >> > willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish > >> speculation, psychic > >> > excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of > >> > self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking of > >> 'the > >> > celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months > >> after the > >> > birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after > >> the Aquarian > >> > Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic > >> equator and > >> > entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event took > >> place on > >> > earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing > >> the key to the > >> > 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the > >> time-honoured code > >> > language of the Wise Men of the East. > >> > > >> > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > >> theos-talk@theosophy.com > >> > > >> > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > >> > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message > >> consisting of > >> > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > >> theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > >> > >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > >> > >> Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > >> teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > >> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. --------------072390BCBEABE994ACF605D1 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="kellogg.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Spencer Kellogg Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="kellogg.vcf" begin:vcard n:Kellogg;Spencer x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:kellogg@west.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Spencer Kellogg end:vcard --------------072390BCBEABE994ACF605D1-- -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 18:21:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA22864 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <000301bfb48c$39128780$5314f4d8@denniski> From: "Dennis Kier" To: References: <55.5452d54.263e4bac@aol.com> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Aryel Sanat on "Leadbeater's problem" Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:37:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Aryel Sanat on "Leadbeater's problem" > Dear Dennis, > > Dennis, Dennis, Dennis! I must say I REALLY enyoyed your e-mail! Can't > figure out, though, altogether why you got so upset. We're among friends > here. Really. No need to get so excited. Thank you. It is nice to have friends to communicate with. Dennis -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- theos-talk@theosophy.com Letters to the Editor, and discussion of theosophical ideas and teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message consisting of "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 18:22:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA22877 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <390F6389.34E4A49C@west.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:24:04 -0700 From: Spencer Kellogg Organization: Spence Surfboards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: theos-talk@theosophy.com Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my browser, read it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me. References: <000201bfb473$40a72dc0$327bc4d0@nwc.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0C732C70736ED6EEF9217406" Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0C732C70736ED6EEF9217406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "W. Dallas TenBroeck" wrote: > > > Compared to HPB's WISDOM-LIGHT, AND THE LIGHT OF THE MASTERS, > ALL OUR "KNOWLEDGE" INCLUDING THAT OF RAGHAVAN IYER, PALES INTO A > MERE CANDLELIGHT. I'm not interested in someone's personal as you say, "Wisdom-Light," only in light. Doesn't matter if it belongs to HPB or is the so called, "Light of the Masters." I want light experienced as a subject not as an object. To attach to others' light as we here appear to be attached to HPB's WISDOM LIGHT is to invite the fall. Attach = fall. > We are in no position to make comparisons or to proclaim things > on behalf of another that we have not PROVED nor can we PROVE > them. If we are in no position to compare then why did you just do so? I apologize if I offended anybody on this list. From personal experience I KNOW that anything I say with regard to Theosophy is a mere footnote at best, moonlight compared to what I have seen, heard and read from R.N. Iyer. > > > That is the ULT way. NO ONE may make any claims at all. See > again what the DECLARATION states. One wonders if, whether or not you even remember what you have written. "Compared to HPB's WISDOM LIGHT blah, blah, blah." 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From owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com Tue May 2 18:46:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by pippin.imagiware.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA27007 for theos-talk-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:44:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pippin.imagiware.com: majordom set sender to owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com using -f Message-ID: <20000502234338.1154.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: clint mccray Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Fw: Very Important To: theos-talk@theosophy.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com You are correct about the sewing needle, pins, even a nail covered in fresh blood. One doctor's reasoning of why someone who stepped on the nail did not catch the disease, while he in fact had caught it by accidentally pricking himself after withdrawing blood from his patient was that: 1. The virus has a hard time surviving in a dry open air environ, while the needle is a contained, wet one. 2. Even fresh blood on a nail would be literally wiped off onto the outer skin as the nail slid in, and this weak dose of infected blood would be identified as "a foreign body" and attacked by white blood cells immediately. On another note, I know a man who took a hit from a needle (uncleaned) directly after another user diagnosed with HIV. He got sober and has tested himself every 6 months for the last 8 years without a positive result! --- Michele Lidofsky wrote: > > > It is true that infected drug users who would > share a hypodermic > needle by passing it to a fellow user soon > after use chance passing on > HIV (specifically) in that needle (and that is > why such drug users are > told they must sterilize this type of needle > with bleach). But I > understand that most sharps - sewing needles, > pins, etc. - still will > not carry live virus on their surfaces for a > long enough time for this > particular kind of hoax under average > conditions. (Hasn't the test > record shown that even under extremely > favorable conditions, like a warm > wet public toilet seat in fairly constant use, > the longest the virus has > 'survived' on a hard surface is fifteen minutes > to one-half hour?) In > either case, I totally agree it's better to be > safe than sorry. > > - Michele L. > > > > > > clint mccray wrote: > > > > This is not completely true. A needle must > be > > dipped in and filled with Bleach for ten > seconds > > before the virus existing in any residual > fluids > > is neutralized (or treated otherwise). Let's > not > > forget that there are other diseases in > needles > > as well. (hepatitis, etc.) As far as the > rumor, > > yes, it is an urban myth, don't worry about > it. > > > > Be careful if you find a bag or clothes, > reaching > > into these things is where people actually > get > > pricked. Police/Fire take most of the brunt > of > > this. But, even if you are poked, and even > if > > the needle does carry disease, you still > stand a > > good chance of being OK. Either way, there > is no > > disease in Devachan. > > > > FEAR NOTHING, LOVE ALL and never forget ALL > IS > > ONE > > > > > The rumour can be put to rest, and any > fears > > > at ease , with the > > > knowledge that the HIV virus does not > survive > > > out of its (live blood) > > > environment on a cold hard surface for more > > > than a couple of minutes at > > > the most. So even if such a trick was > > > attempted, by the time the > > > perpetrator left the scene and some random > > > victim arrives, the virus > > > would be harmless. > > > > > > So don't waste energy worrying about it. > > > > > > > > > - Michele Lidofsky > > > > > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > > > theos-talk@theosophy.com > > > > > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of > > > theosophical ideas and > > > teachings. To subscribe or unsubscribe, > send a > > > message consisting of > > > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to > > > theos-talk-request@theosophy.com. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with > Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk -- > theos-talk@theosophy.com > > > > Letters to the Editor, and discussion of > theosophical ideas and > > teachings. 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