Re: theos-talk Re: TS International President's comments on Judge Case
Jul 16, 2011 09:41 AM
I have been advocating the view that pricey theosophical books keeps them
out of reach for most theosophists except a few fat cats and the only way to
make them available easily to the world is to put out pdf version with a
suggested donation of a couple of dollars much like shareware. This is
falling on the deaf ear. Even some misguided theosophists have suggested
that important material should not be made available for easy reading, which
goes against the object of publishing. Theosophical material pricing seems
to be handed over to business oriented MBAs who have no clue to what
theosophy is and what its objective is and where most theosophists live in
the world and that most them work for living on a month to month budget. By
this attitude even with good intentions the decision makers are hurting
theosophy and will do so for years to come. In this situation, there is
always the threat from fast, inexpensive scanners when can convert printed
material to pdf in no time.
Let us all pray and our collective thought forms may impinge on the decision
makers and it may dawn upon them that status quo is not acceptable. I hope
theosophists take on this policy issue with the same commitment and energy
they have shown on other theosophical matters and if this is done, I am sure
there will be change of mind and it would both preserve the material into
the future as well as make them accessible worldwide with godspeed. We need
the help of everyone in the theosophical world.
By the way, TUP has seen the light and a recent compilation is going to be
made available both in print and pdf formats. Good Karma is going to accrue
those responsible for this earth shaking decision. Let us congratulate them
and let us hope we see more such electronic publications.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:15 AM, paulobaptista_v <paulobaptista_v@qx3BXV30xTLLzlJVT9__8odwEcdTZP7O0H5EHJgp39oc83ggXfz7Ecoqbge3tOERQyx-7CqM9IWsEgbVZ3K98A.yahoo.invalidm
> Some time ago, I found the writings of Alice Leighton Cleather (ALC), one
> of the members of the Inner Group. Valuable manuscripts of those meetings
> were penned by ALC and are published in The Esoteric Papers of Mme
> Blavatsky, compiled by Daniel Caldwell.
> She also wrote "Blavatsky as I knew Her", "HPB-Her life and work for
> humanity" and "HPB - A Great betrayal". Together with Basil W. Crump, ALC
> also attacked the writings of Alice Ann Bailey.
> What is curious about ALC is that after HPB's death, she didnÂt support
> Besant, Judge or the ULT founded by Robert Crosbie in 1909. In "HPB-Her life
> and work for humanity ", ALC writes that after HPB passed away "the one most
> fitted for such a function [Agent of the Masters and Outer Head of the ES]
> was Mr. Judge", but further ahead she admitted that she "can find no warrant
> in anything she [HPB] wrote, or said (â) [that] after her death, (â) even
> the most advanced of her pupils was authorised or fitted to succeed her as
> the Agent and mouthpiece of the Masters".
> A theosophist that endorses the Judge cause, accused ALC of being too harsh
> on Judge. In the same book, Alice considered that Judge fell in the hands of
> Mrs. Tingley, a "professional psychic and trance medium". Tingley, played an
> important role in a letter written by WQJ in 1894, entitled "By MasterÂs
> Direction" in which a campaign in favour of Western Occultism is announced
> (using ALC words). ALC also criticizes the group at Los Angeles (ULT) for
> accepting this paper (published in Theosophy, September 1922).
> In "A Great betrayal" she fiercely attacks both Besant and Leadbeater.
> I never found negative remarks about ALC, she seems very sincere in
> everything she writes and not afraid of telling what she believes is the
> I havenÂt bought Pelletier's book about the Judge Case, but I've read
> Katinka Hesselink's review about it and it seems that some doubts still
> remain. I donÂt have a position for or against Judge. However if it is
> completely clear that Judge was a victim of some scheme, I think justice
> must be made, even if more than 100 years have passed since those events.
> I would like to ask two things:
> - What's your oppinion about Alice Cleather? Is she a trustworthy source?
> - A lot of debate has been going around for decades about the events that
> led to the split of the original Theosophical Society. Is it now completely
> clear that WQJ was victim of a mischievous scheme?
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
> > In July 2011 issue of the Theosophist, "On the Watch Tower" section, the
> > International President has commented on the Judge issue.
> > Here is the quote:
> > ÃâÅRecently several letters have been addressed to the President asking
> > justice be done to Mr Judge. About one and a quarter centuries have
> > since he was prominent among members. There are some who favour the
> > that he took, and others who do not; are we going to make a judgement on
> > behalf of all the members at this point? Is this really feasible? The
> > decision in favour or not, will be only on paper, and people will
> > to think of what is possible as they wish and see. The Society cannot
> > regulate this, and is not called upon to do so.
> > So, the best thing is to discriminate to the extent that our own
> > intelligence lets us, which may be right or wrong. What does it matter to
> > others? Since one cannot shape, or want to shape, what other people
> > the Theosophical Society cannot, after one hundred and thirty years,
> > what its members should see or think about past happenings.
> > There is the case of C. W. Leadbeater, who I think was much misunderstood
> > and maligned. Others may think he was a bad character. Will our thinking
> > change what he was? There are many people who, being human, had faults
> > weaknesses. By finding out what exactly was the matter, it helps neither
> > them nor us. Our present attitude towards things is what matters, not the
> > conclusions we may make about what people in the past did.
> > So, let us act in the present and keep our conclusions about past
> > personalities and events tentative and in the back-ground. We can then
> > forward from where we are, which is what we have to be truly concerned
> > What is the direction in which we are proceeding? Are we moving and if
> > is it towards a greater understanding of life?Ãâ
> > The full Watch Tower Notes can be accessed at:
> > <
> > >
> > MKR
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