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Re: theos-talk Re: Justice to Judge in 2011

Apr 02, 2011 01:58 AM
by Erica L. Georgiades

Thanks for posting this interesting article written by Leslie Price.


From: jdmsoares <>
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 5:17:18 PM
Subject: theos-talk Re: Justice to Judge in 2011


Dear Erica, MKR, friends,

Thanks Erica. You are right.

For those who haven't read yet I will take the liberty to share here
an important text by Leslie Price, entitled "Call to Reopen Judge

Best regards,


Call To Reopen Judge Case

Notes by the Way

Leslie Price

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Reproduced from PSYPIONEER
bulletin,Volume 2, No 4; April 2006, pp. 91-92. Mr.Leslie Price is a
well-known   British historianof the Theosophical Movement. In the
1980s, hefounded the magazine "Theosophical History".
Let's summarise, and then comment on a recent Theosophical development.

A Brazilian Theosophist has called on the Adyar-based Theosophical
Society to reopen the case of one of its founders, later its American
leader, William Quan Judge (1851-1896). In 1894, Judge was accused of
misusing the name of and handwriting of the Mahatmas, the advanced men
believed to have inspired the formation of the Society. This led to a
schism among Theosophists which persists to this day. The United Lodge
of Theosophists,  the T.S. Pasadena, and the independent Edmonton
Theosophical Society (Alberta, Canada) are among groups supporting
In a letter published in the Edmonton journal Fohat (Spring 2006) Carlos
Cardoso Aveline suggests that "independent students could write
annual, open letters to the Adyar Theosophical Society asking it to
re-examine its 'process' moved against William Q. Judge in 1894-5 and
suggesting that its leaders should either show proofs of his guilt or
declare him innocent of any charges whatsoever." This letter also
appears on the Edmonton web site
<>  In June 2004 the
Edmonton Society published a 1000 page book "The Judge Case: a
conspiracy which ruined the Theosophical Cause" by Ernest Pelletier
which printed much relevant documentation. However in an Addendum to the
"Supplement" to this book, Pelletier charged that the Adyar
Society was withholding relevant documentation, in order to preserve the
impression that Judge was guilty.In his letter, Aveline draws attention
to the 1885 case of H.P.Blavatsky who was also accused as a fraud - in
this case by the SPR. In April 1986, however, the SPR (which has no
collective views) published in its Journal a paper by a senior member,
Dr Vernon Harrison, which was highly critical of the previous findings.
An SPR press release made Dr Harrison's new investigation widely known.
0000000 Now, does the Blavatsky /SPR case offer lessons for the Judge
Case? I believe it does. The SPR had been asked to make available its
surviving documentation about the Blavatsky investigation by Walter
Carrithers ( pseudonym Adlai Waterman ) and it did so about 1960.
Carrithers could be regarded as a hostile critic, in much the same way
as Aveline or Pelletier could be regarded as hostile, but the material
was made available anyway, and it circulated in photocopied or microfilm
form among theosophical historians, before bearing fruit. (It revealed,
incidentally, that Blavatsky had produced bell phenomena in the presence
of members of the investigating committee, but this had been deleted at
proof stage of a report. The written decision to delete had survived.)
91 Later the SPR, after putting Dr Harrison's paper through its normal
review procedure, published it and publicised it. Not all members of the
SPR agreed with Dr Harrison, just as not all agreed with the original
Blavatsky report. But the sting of the mutual antipathy which had
sometimes characterised SPR/TS relations since 1885 was drawn. Does the
TS Adyar have any documents which would assist the defenders, or for
that matter, the critics, of Judge? In the same issue of Fohat,
Pelletier points to at least one relevant letter (Judge to Khandalavala
Sept. 17 1884) of which he has a photocopy, but which he suspects may
have been tampered with in the original. And he has been told by Adyar
people of other relevant material at Adyar. Any new material could be
published in a suitable place, like the quarterly journal
"Theosophical History." In due course, "The Theosophist"
(Adyar's main journal) could carry one of more articles by senior
Theosophists of various views and organisations, drawing lessons from
the case, in the light of what we now know. This might go some way to
healing the wounds of the schism. However, I would not want to single
out Adyar in this situation. It is but one of a number of relevant
Theosophical archives. In the pro-Judge TS Pasadena may be found letters
of Olcott and Besant to Judge, the diaries of Judge, and the letters of
the Mahatmas to Judge which featured in the Case. Someone might suggest
the TS Pasadena was suppressing evidence of Judge's guilt. In fact all
archives, by preserving documentation, are performing a vital service.
It would be useful now to move beyond charges and for all parties to
work together to get all relevant documentation into the scholarly
domain. Beyond this Case, Judge was not only a profound Theosophical
thinker, whose writings merit study, but also a witness to a variety of
HPB phenomena - and a severe critic of the American psychic scene of his
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--- In, "Erica L. Georgiades"
<eletzerich@...> wrote:
> Plus I think for a proper revision of the case to be done, a neutral
> should be invited to put together the material in Adyar and revise it.
Those who
> praise Besant or Judge are not in position to do a proper revision
because their
> views would be biased. A neutral and clear (not manipulated) revision
of the
> facts involving Judge's case is something missing from the pages of
> History.
> Erica
> ________________________________
> From: Erica L. Georgiades eletzerich@...
> To:
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 10:41:56 AM
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> Doss,
> I haven't read it.
> Now a growing group of persons are sending letters to Adyar
-requesting a
> revision of Judge's case- since2006. There is a lot of Judge's
material which
> were never published. At this point Adyar should have invited some
> and writers, to re-examine the material in the archives and prepare a
> publication.  Judge was a Theosophists a dedicated one and one of the
> of the T.S.. Right now I know there is an ongoing revision of
Leadbeater's life
> being prepared by some members who do consider important to clarify
some points
> regarding CWL's life. Why a revision of Judge's case would be less
> No, a revision of Judge's case is a relevant and should be done. At
least all
> the material regarding Judge's case should be made availeable for
> Erica
> ________________________________
> From: MKR mkr777@...
> To:
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 10:12:14 AM
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> How many have seen or read the voluminous volume published in Canada?
It is
> not inexpensive, costing about US$80. Making it available as a pdf
file for
> free will enable more readers around the world to get familiar with
> discussion  on the issue.
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Erica L. Georgiades
> eletzerich@...wrote:
> >
> >
> > There are persons who wants Judge's case to be revised. That wish
should be
> >
> > respected.
> >
> > There are many historical facts regarding the case which were never
> > published.
> > Judge's letters at the archives of the T.S. in Adyar,
> > were never published. The particular issue regarding Judge's case
-for me
> > personally- does not interest me much. But I've been observing for
> > now a
> > group of persons (growing group) from all around the world sending
> > year
> > letters to Adyar, requesting a re-examination of the case. It is not
> > it
> > is not fair to keep on ignoring them.
> >
> > Erica
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: MKR mkr777@...
> > To:
> > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 3:37:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> >
> >
> > In my humble opinion, the problems facing TS today is far more
> > than
> > what went on years ago. I think it is time to move on with problems
> > hand.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:17 PM, jdmsoares jdmsoares@... wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear friends,
> > >
> > > In the next days open letters will be send to Adyar, asking for
> > > re-examination of the accusation against William Judge, we have
> > > published at our websites the text:
> > >
> > > Justice to Judge in 2011
> > >
> > > The Sixth Year of Open Letters to India
> > >
> > > The direct links are:
> > > <> and
> > >
> > >
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