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Re: Theos-talk Msgs 43528-43531

Aug 09, 2010 04:35 PM
by Govert Schuller

Dear Ramadoss,

Thanks for clarifying, ... finally. 

When I obtained the missing messages from another source (see below) I was struck by the fact that all the 4 messages had been posted by Jokela Petri, but were quite harmless in nature. 

Actually, one of them was a response to a question posed by you and you did respond to another one of her missing messages, and thereby preserved its content. From this I have to conclude that there was not any censorship going on. 

It still is a mystery that they disappeared.  

Now with the questions solved surrounding your e-mail adress and your (non-)role in the missing posts, I hope Katinka will reconsider her intended leaving of this list. 



[Missing message #43528]


Jokela Petri 

Tuesday, Apr 15, 2008, 3:14 pm


But Radha had choice for the future in her message: Linda Oliveira. Yes, Radha may be too old for any round anymore and may die during it, John also may only stay one round or die during it. Who knows! Maybe Radha meant that it is not good idea to teach anyone for the work of president and therefore offered choice. Some people think she is trying to pick votes.


But I was also told that Radha wanted to make John next president earlier, but maybe weather became on the way.


At Adyar there is many of Radha´s relatives working there. But I belive that John is good hearted man and will keep things good at Adyar and does not want to kick anyone out or defend Oliveiras and so on coming up.






[Missing message #43529]


Jokela Petri 

Tuesday, Apr 15, 2008, 3:15 pm


I was at Adyar 20076-2007. Specially westerners spoke about that by saying that it is time to move it to west. That´s all I know.




MKR kirjoitti: 


> I vaguely recollect reading some msgs some years ago about the proposal to 

> move the Intl HQ from Adyar to the West, probably to USA. Anyone 

> recollects 

> this? 


> mkr


[mkr responded here to message #43526 by K Paul Johnson] 




[Missing message #43530]


Jokela Petri 

Tuesday, Apr 15, 2008, 3:23 pm


There is also a threat all the time that city takes the whole land or part of it ot build up new houses by the river. Radha has some frends in (in court?) there who have supported her to have the land. But I am told that Radha has said that she is tired to fight for it, because presure is so heavy. I am also told that some piece of land we have already lost. Also road which goes between main campus and publisihng house was not there during presdential of Annie Besant...In some countries they can just set up a law or something to expropriate the land for the city.



[Missing message #43531]


Jokela Petri 

Tuesday, Apr 15, 2008, 3:27 pm


Dear fellow Theosophist,


I feel compelled to break the long standing prohibition against writing political letters during an election. Since Radha Burnier herself has now broken that tradition by sending out the letter given below to a number of our ranks, I do not have any qualms in feeling justified to respond to her blatant electioneering.


I have always held Radha in great esteem and still honor her for her tireless and capable work for the Society. However, I have seen with my own eyes that her marvellous abilities are compromised to such an extent that I consider her not to be the best choice for the president and chief administrator of our organization. Her memory and clarity are inconsistent, sometimes right on, and sometimes far afield---as is the case for all of us when aging, especially by stroke, takes its toll. Because she has been such a wonderfully iron willed woman, she now apparently is mis- applying that iron will by trying to cling to an administrative roll that in my opinion is no longer best for the Society or best for her.


I can see Radha maintaining a roll of leadership in the spiritual or inner side of things as a wise counsellor, functioning well without undue stress, but I view her continuation as the chief administrative officer for the Theosophical Society as counter productive. We need sharp clarity, consistency, and creative flexibility as we all work together to keep Theosophy alive and vital in the 21st century. We need strong leadership such as John Algeo could provide.


As to her letter below, I will let it speak for itself, but I do have to say that I think the reference to age is ironic. Furthermore, it is presumptuous to indicate that John does not also have the capacity to bring in younger workers. And it is presumptuous to define his motives or to ascribe to him the intent to diminish the importance of Adyar as our international center, an action he has clearly stated he is against. If elected, John may not be able to spend all his time at Adyar, but I have experienced him as an able administrator and delegator, and feel assured that Adyar would flourish under his leadership.


John has set up a web site that you might want to see in order to help you decide for yourself. The upcoming election of international president of the Theosophical Society for the next 7 years is a critical one. Please consider carefully. With sincerity and all best wishes,


Betty Bland, President 

The Theosophical Society in America


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk 
  Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 2:24 PM
  Subject: Theos-talk Msgs 43528-43531

  The messages posted to theos-talk is on yahoo servers. After the end of the
  month, the messages are permanently archived at It is
  open to public. They are accessible by month. Looking at the messages posted
  during 4/2008, I find that messages 43528 to 43531 are there in this file.
  The link is provided below.

  So these messages are available for posterity for anyone to access. It could
  not be determined why they are not on the yahoo servers data base. I hope
  this msg helps those looking for these msgs.



  There is no religion higher than Truth

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