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Re: Theos-World Re: Comments on Independence and impartiality

Jul 29, 2010 08:55 AM
by M. Sufilight

Dear friends

My views are:

I hope you do not mind me throwing a few words to all of you.
Govert's email in the below sparked a thought or two in me.

Govert wrote:
"Most Adyar Theosophists stay away here because they experience this group
as badly managed, even toxic, though many might lurk to catch tid-bits of
news, leaks, facts and gossip, which might not be available anywhere else."

Now, that might be true.

I ask all members on the forum:
(1) What I wonder about is whether the by H. P. Blavatsky mentioned Psychological KEY to the Secret Doctrine somewhere in the future, when discovered will have something to do with the fact, that the science of psychology - officially - since the 1950'ties has been moving into the areas of Mind Control, even Brainwashing, and also Indoctrination, as well as very importantly Spin by journalist, politicians, and especially among spiritual leaders (theosophical ones included, --- wellmeaning spin is also to be considered)???

Therefore I ask all members on the forum:
(2) What are the esoterical teachings with regard to these issues - and how do they relate to the present problem exchanged upon about manipulation, spin and even conspiracy fears???

Therefore I also ask all members on the forum:
(3) And what is it to have a "badly managed" forum if one does not have a clear purpose and focus among the AIMS of The Theosophical organisation one belongs to with regard to spin, Mind Control (where dogmas etc. are only a part), indoktrination ans so on?

These questions seems to be important to adress, and if not I will really like to know why.


H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
"Let not thy "Heaven-born," merged in the sea of Maya, break from the Universal Parent (SOUL), but let the fiery power retire into the inmost chamber, the chamber of the Heart (23) and the abode of the World's Mother (24). 
Then from the heart that Power shall rise into the sixth, the middle region, the place between thine eyes, when it becomes the breath of the ONE-SOUL, the voice which filleth all, THY Master's voice. 

'Tis only then thou canst become a "Walker of the Sky" (25) who treads the winds above the waves, whose step touches not the waters. 

Before thou set'st thy foot upon the ladder's upper rung, the ladder of the mystic sounds, thou hast to hear the voice of thy inner GOD * in seven manners." 
"(23). The inner chamber of the Heart, called in Sanskrit Brahma poori. The "fiery power" is Kundalini. "
"Kundalini is called the "Serpentine" or the annu-lar power on account on its spiral-like working or progress in the body of the ascetic developing the power in himself. It is an electric fiery occult or Fohatic power, the great pristine force, which underlies all organic and inorganic matter. 
(The Voice of Silence, p. 10)

M. Sufilight .......with a few The Walkers of the Sky carrying Arhats into the sky...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Comments on Independence and impartiality

  Dear Katinka and MKR,

  Katinka, before people get a wrong impression, I have to state that I have
  never been censored on this forum. I'm free to post and I assume my
  contributions are still in the archive.

  MKR, your position on independence can be read as an a priori
  disqualification of people who have derived a material compensation from
  an organization and those who are in leadership positions doling out the
  compensations. It also gives undue weight to those who are materially
  independent from the TS like yourself. I think that's a prejudice and not
  helpful if you want to make this group more hospitable to any and all
  Theosophists, especially its leadership.

  Most Adyar Theosophists stay away here because they experience this group
  as badly managed, even toxic, though many might lurk to catch tid-bits of
  news, leaks, facts and gossip, which might not be available anywhere else.

  I do appreciate your insistence on organizational transparency and better
  use of technology for communication.



  > Hi MKR,
  > That's great to hear, but not really what people are concerned about I
  > think.
  > Let's go back a bit. At the Theosophical World Congress, and through email
  > in the days after it, several people expressed their concern to me that
  > your management of theos-talk was not impartial. That is: you have
  > sensored people who had perfectly decent contributions to make (Preetthi
  > and Govert and perhaps more) and seemed informed extraordinarily quickly
  > of any movement on the part of Radha/Pedro etc.
  > Hearing that, and thinking that Eldon was still ultimately in charge of
  > this list, I asked him to use his authority to get the list back on track,
  > or close it. Whichever he preferred. He probably contacted you - and the
  > below is your response.
  > Personally I don't give a darn whether you make money on theosophy or not.
  > Obviously it is easier to be critical for those who aren't in the employ
  > of the TS, but that doesn't mean that those who aren't - are necessarily
  > impartial. They're just financially independent of the TS - which is the
  > situation for most of us here.
  > For me, and several of my correspondents - the question is: why has
  > theos-talk stopped being the open forum it used to be?
  > And more specifically: how come you use several email addresses to post on
  > here? What are you trying to hide? In fact, the speculation has come up
  > that MKR hides several people on several continents.
  > Now I'm all for freedom and would have preferred for
  > to stay open for everybody and the search engines. Glad some of us set up
  > last year: it IS open (just checked).
  > However, I'm also all for accountability. The internet gives us all the
  > opportunity to hide behind screen names and loose all fairness in the
  > process. No need to be polite or just when nobody knows who you are.
  > Now - in case this gets censored - I will be saving the text of this on my
  > pc. I don't really want to post it elsewhere, but I do think the below has
  > made a response necessary.
  > I will also be deleting any links to theos-talk on my own sites BTW as it
  > doesn't seem like this forum serves any purpose to the theosophical
  > movement any more.
  > Best wishes,
  > Katinka Hesselink
  > Disclosure: The Dutch TS paid me for their recent redesign, so I guess I'm
  > not independent by your definition. That hasn't stopped me from speaking
  > out where I see fit though.
  > --- In, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
  >> All organized entities such as governments, business corporations,
  >> spiritual
  >> organizations, and even individual leaders and politicians are always on
  >> the
  >> look out for opportunities to influence the individuals such as
  >> membership
  >> and even media people to either keep them in line or influence them to
  >> act
  >> or write in ways supporting the activities and action of the
  >> organizations
  >> and its leaders or even act as catÃââs paws to handle touchy issues.
  >> Many
  >> times, clever individuals and leaders will stay back in the background
  >> and
  >> let others do their dirty work.
  >> In organizations, range of techniques used may be outright giving money
  >> grants, reimbursing the travel expenses, offer platforms to lecture or
  >> write
  >> or even help them to move up in the leadership ladder. In theosophical
  >> circles, due to the common membership in other officially unconnected
  >> organizations, the fear of paying a price will keep writers and
  >> lecturers in
  >> line with official wishes.
  >> The reason why I bring this up is because it is necessary to clarify my
  >> personal position in all activities and writings related to theosophical
  >> and
  >> other issues. Firstly, as I have mentioned several times before, I
  >> maintain
  >> my independence because of several reasons. I am not looking forward to
  >> hold
  >> any elected office in future and I have an independent lively hood which
  >> does not depend on TS or any of its members. Also in the past I have
  >> never
  >> received any manner of financial support from TS or any of its members.
  >> I am reiterating the above so that the newbees are very clear as to
  >> where I
  >> come from and the independence gives some credibility to what I write on
  >> this and other theosophical forums. In todayÃââs Internet environment,
  >> transparent and open clarification of the independence issue is good for
  >> anyone in the cyberspace - writers, participants, website owners,
  >> website
  >> operators etc. I hope the above clarification helps.
  >> MKR
  >> There is No Religion Higher Than Truth
  >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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