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Re: Theos-World The Caste Issue in the Theosophist

Feb 15, 2010 08:27 AM
by Drpsionic

I see your point and from that point it is a very strange mindset.  To  an 
American Theosophist it is an incomprehensible one but Radha is not an  
American and I think you may have found the key as to why she has never really  
had a following in the US.  She is, in her old age, becoming less of a  
Theosophist and more of an Indian, not a bad thing in anyone else, something we  
would expect.  But in her position it does create some difficulties.
Coming out of a culture where birth and bloodline is the province of  
refugees from the local mental hospital (and the occasional ULT member, I  
haven't picked on them in a while, I need to get back to it)  the notion  that 
such things would even matter is bizarre beyond words but it is not bizarre  to 
Radha, nor to that particular audience if I guess right.
Chuck the Heretic  

In a message dated 2/15/2010 4:10:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, writes:


It would be funny were it not for the fact that the President  is ruining 
the TS today with her ideas on what the TS stands for, and how she  
interprets the World Teachership of K.

Isn't it natural to query why  she did have to use the word Brahmin so many 
times in a paragraph as though  being born a Brahmin -- which by the way is 
the caste she was born in herself  -- gives one some kind of privilege over 
others. And, by the way, I seem to  have read somewhere that when K became 
Realized, he threw off his poonal (the  recognizing mark of one born to the 
Brahmin caste)...that would be in line  with the teachings he gave and his 
speech dissolving the Order of the Star of  the East...but why must our 
President bring it up so poignantly in a magazine  that is supposed to give the 
message of the TS to the world at  large?



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Subject: Re: Theos-World The  Caste Issue in the Theosophist
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Date: Sunday, 14 February, 2010,  10:11 PM

The whole idea of genetics determining how  people think and act is 

something fraught with danger. To give a  really funny personal example, I 
am a 

descendant of Pope Alexander the  Sixth, Rodrigo Borgia by his son Cesare 

Borgia. If you take a picture  of my profile and stick it over the profile 

Grandpa Alexander, they  match, they really do, right down to the shape of 

nose. When I  showed that to my wife she was amazed.

Now, I am no Pope. I am not even  Roman Catholic. And, to the best of my 

knowledge I have never  intentionally poisoned anyone. (My cooking skills 

do leave something  to be desired.) I would think that it really does not 

matter what  caste K was from, or his father was from or his grandfather 

back  to when Vishnu fell off the big bird and landed on his head was from. 

The arguments over Krishnamurti' s caste background are absurd for a  very 

simple reason.

Caste is absurd and for poor old Radha to  even bring it up should not be 

much cause for controversy as it  should be for riotous laughter.

Chuck the  Heretic

www.charlescosimano .com 

In a message dated 2/14/2010  12:47:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, 

seeker_preethi@  writes:

Dear All,

Please find quoted below the Brahmin Caste  issue talked about so much in 

recent TT discussions. I do, however,  have to confess that I got the month 

wrong. It was not in the August  2009 issue, but the July 2009 issue of the 

Theosophist. The Text given  below is excerpted from the Watch-Tower 

monthly by the  President of the TS, Mrs Radha Burnier:

"As was said, K was born in a  Br&#257;hmana family, far from rich, but 

having the tradition and  way of life of Br&#257;hmana- #257;hmana- <WBR>s. 

Fo&#257;hmana was expected to live a life characterized by no  indulgence 
in food 

which was not pure, in the sense of bringing  harmonious influences into 

the body. This is called sattvic food,  because it does not create or add 

excitabi_lity, irritability,  lethargy or dullness. So a real Br&#257;hmana 

did not indulge in  alcohol, drugs, tobacco, and

sexual_ activities which deaden  sensitiveÂness and lead altogether to a 

different bodily type.  Br&#257;hmanism also meant devoting one's life to 

learning and  teaching, not merely as a means of communication but 

more,  and to relinquish occupations which would aggravate excitement and  

violence. This kind of genetic heritage gave a certain quality to the  body 
and a 

real Br&#257;hmana realizes this. A teacher-to-be was  at a great 

advantage, having this kind of physical inheritance which  allows the body 
to respond 

to the vibrations of consciousÂness, when  they reach the physical  brain."



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