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Re: Theos-World A New Theosophical Society???

Nov 05, 2009 11:13 PM
by preethi muthiah

It amazes me that people still continue or perhaps insist on thinking that organizations can solve anything in the universe!!! Mostly organizations of individuals take away from the light within oneself; strange but true....and perhaps sad too...Instead of learning how the other person's life is lit up, we tend to enclose and envelop the other's light with our own inner darkness...

What we fear most is the Light, the Truth, Freedom, Beauty, Love, Wisdom...all which make our Life on Earth worthwhile and meaningful...

The 'togetherness' of ignorance is comforting to many....

The main point here is are we willing to awaken, to arise, to move out of our comfort zones and burn as little candles lighting up our little corners with the light within us? A new TS, or a new Society cannot be made with old material steeped in its pleasure-filled darkness...and we have tarried enough on those murky shores. It is time to awaken now.



--- On Fri, 6/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <> wrote:

From: Morten Nymann Olesen <>
Subject: Re: Theos-World A New Theosophical Society???
Date: Friday, 6 November, 2009, 12:55 AM



      Dear MKR and friends

My views are:

Not that I do not find the thread efforts interesting, but may I be allowed to seek to explain, what I find to be the core of the problem facing TS and its elections?

MKR wrote:

"When Besant ran for office, everyone knew her intention and she did not

mince any words about it and did not use others to put forward her

candidature. She won the election in the most open and direct manner that

theosophists are expected to act."

Yes, but AFTER she got elected - she changed the structure of the TS and its relation to the Esoteric Section and her bodily self, all in opposition to the theosophical cause! - Is this not the actual problem, which the TS are facing today?

____________ _________

Alice L. Cleather wrote in 1922 - in her "H. P. Blavatsky, A Great Betrayal":

"Lectures, meetings, night classes, outside 

the college rooms and buildings, took place perpetually in 

the neighbouring T. S. premises and private residences, for 

expounding the doctrines of neo-theosophy and especially the 

book called At the Feet of the Master alleged to have been 

written down by Alcyone (J. Krishnamurti) , as the embryonic 

scriptures and revelation of "the Embryo of a New Religion," 

as Mrs. Besant declares the O. S. E. to be. Resident students 

were advised, and a number of them began to keep photos 

of Alcyone, as the " vehicle " of the " Coming Christ " and 

himsell an " Initiate of the Great White Brotherhood " (and 

Mrs. Besant and one or two other living persons) "on the 

threshold of divinity," and to worship them with flowers, 

incense, etc. Old and young believers prostrating and genu- 

flecting, literally, at the feet of the living original when 

within reach. . . The then Principal of the College (who had 

founded the 0. R. S.) proclaimed in his lectures in the 

neighbouring T. S. Hall, and elsewhere, that he was a " High 

Disciple of the Master " ; and that the C. H. C. was " founded 

to prepare for the Advent of the World-Teacher. " . . 

[Mrs. Besant] has publicly stated [that] all of the members 

of the General Council of the T. S. now belong, with one or 

two exceptions perhaps, to the " Esoteric Section," prime 

condition of membership of which is, THE FORMAL WRITTEN 


while the loud profession is freedom of thought " for all " 

the practice is sedulously "for herself," and her pledged votaries 

only; while the theory is that the O. S. E. "must 

not be identified with the T. S.," the practice is that the 

T. S. must be merged in the O. S. E. "

. . .

"mention is made 

of the " recognition of the God without us, which made us 

members of this Group from which we draw our life to-day " 

. . .

"The members of the Group are reminded that "we pledged 

ourselves in our hearts that we should strive to become 

her true and loyal servants . . .," etc. " 

. . .

"The trustee and manager into whose hands a copy of this astonishing document

came, with the information that ~it had been circulated~ amongst a number of the C.H.C.

Students, informed the Secretaries of the College, and sent the letter with comments on the same for

publication in a daily paper, in order to show to the public how the person-worship- creeds of

Mrs. Besant's 'neo-theosophy' were being sown and grown within the C.H.C., despite

the resolutions of the Trustees"

[the last three praragraphs was taken by Cleather from Sri Bhagavan Das article 1913 - former genral sec. - of TS India]

http://www.archive. org/stream/ hpblavatskygreat 00clearich# page/46/mode/ 2up

....And the text continues... .

Any comments from TS members or just the ususal silence like in TS Adyar?

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Let us remember the words by Blavatsky in the below, and consider if we do not agree with her views...

H. P. Blavatsky wrote august  1889:

" There is  no longer a "Parent Society"; it is abolished and replaced by an aggregate  body of 

Theosophical Societies, all autonomous, as are the States of America,  and all 

under one Head-President, who, together with H. P. Blavatsky, will  champion the 

CAUSE against the whole world. Such is the real state of  things."

(http://www.blavatsk arts/PuzzleFromA dyar.htm) 

A PUZZLE FROM ADYAR by H. P. Blavatsky,  1889 - (Try to read this article.)

"WHEN the cat is abroad the mice dance in the house it seems. Since Colonel 

Olcott sailed for Japan, the Theosophist  has never ceased to surprise its 

European readers, and especially the Fellows of our Society, with most 

unexpected capers. 

It is as if the Sphinx had  emigrated from the Nile and was determined to 

continue offering her puzzles broadcast to 

the Odipuses of the Society."

"That the E.S. had never any pretensions to "boss the T.S." stands to 

reason: with the exception of  Col. Olcott, the President, the Esoteric Section has 

nothing whatever to do with the Theosophical Society, its Council or 

officers. It is a Section  entirely apart from the exoteric body, and independent of 

it, H.P.B. alone  being responsible for its members, as shown in the official 

announcement over  the signature of the President-Founder himself.* It follows, 

therefore, that  the E. S., as a body, owes no allegiance whatever to the 

Theosophical Society, as a society, least of all to Adyar."

"It is pure nonsense to say that  "H.P.B. . . . is loyal to the Theosophical 

Society and to Adyar" (!?) . H.P.B.  is loyal to death to the Theosophical 

CAUSE, and those great Teachers whose philosophy can alone bind the whole 

Humanity into one Brotherhood. Together  with Col. Olcott, she is the chief Founder 

and Builder of the Society which  was and is meant to represent that CAUSE; 

and if she is so loyal to H.S. Olcott, it is not at all because of his being 

its "President," but, firstly,  because there is no man living who has worked 

harder for that Society, or been  more devoted to it than the Colonel, and, 

secondly, because she regards him as  a loyal

friend and co-worker. Therefore the degree of her sympathies with  the 

"Theosophical Society and Adyar" depends upon the degree of the loyalty of  that 

Society to the CAUSE. Let it break away from the original lines and show  

disloyalty in its policy to the CAUSE and the original programme of the  Society, and 

H.P.B. calling the T.S. disloyal, will shake it off like dust  from her feet.

And what does "loyalty to Adyar" mean, in the name of all  wonders? What is 

Adyar, apart from that CAUSE and the two (not one Founder, if  you please) who 

represent it? Why not loyal to the compound or the bathroom of  Adyar?"

" There is  no longer a 

"Parent Society"; it is abolished and replaced by an aggregate  body of 

Theosophical Societies, all autonomous, as are the States of America,  and all 

under one Head-President, who, together with H. P. Blavatsky, will  champion the 

CAUSE against the whole world. Such is the real state of  things."

http://www.katinkah esselink. net/blavatsky/ articles/ v11/y1889_ 049.htm

So what to do with the dust on our feets?

Continue to accept the Messiah-dogmas invented Besant about Krishnamurti; dogmas which appearntly are accepted until today - or instead - as ever - clearly and visible fight AGAINST blind dogmas, which was a part of the original aim with the Society?

Of course that does not imply me and other theosophists saying that one only aught to accept all what Blavatsky wrote, and that later words and writings are to be rejected. But do we in the name of compassion and universal brotherhood (and sisterhood) need such a cult-like Messiah behaviour within the TS? - I suggest, that it is clearly thrown away officially - and the original aims of the TS be followed down to the last dot!

Now to me, this is the key and core of the problems TS are facing, with its stupid kind of organisational structure, and its acceptance of a past leadership, which aught to have been abandoned for years...The core is not how one gets elected, when the organisational structure was different in Besants time when she got elected - than it was and is today! - People wants transperency and honesty, and not to be coerced into a religious body governed secretly from behind closed doors of the E.S. of obedience. - They want to know about wisdom - and not about blind obedience.

Any comments?

Another problem is, that we live in an information society in this globe these days. And because of that the TS organisational structure aught to be aftaped much more to scuh a stage in the evolution of mankind - The paradigm of ecological understanding and reason is not far away - or else it will be forced upon humanity through the Lae of Karma. The climate is changing.

- - -

How can one hear the voice of small mice,

when they do not say anything at all?

M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: MKR 

  To: theos-talk 

  Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:07 PM

  Subject: Theos-World A New Theosophical Society???

A New Theosophical Society???

In the past, when philosophical and political differences arose in TS, some

  of the leaders went off and formed their own TS to further their own vision

  of what theosophy is and what TS should do.

Recently it was a revelation to me that when Annie Besant ran for the office

  of the President, the major section from which she did not get majority

  votes was the American Section. At the time of her election, there was also

  the distinct possibility her not being elected.

It appears that there was a Plan B, with her forming her own TS supported by

  those who had confidence in her. She would have done it if the situation

  arose. She was a marvellous organizer and also fund raiser for TS and would

  not have needed any of the money and assets of TS, if a need arose to start

  a new TS. It is to be pointed out that it was during her leadership, Adyar

  estate was expanded to the current size of 200 plus acres from the early 10

  plus acres bought at Olcottâs time.

When Besant ran for office, everyone knew her intention and she did not

  mince any words about it and did not use others to put forward her

  candidature. She won the election in the most open and direct manner that

  theosophists are expected to act.

What a contrast when we look at what has been going on since the President

  election started. What is even more interesting are the events following the

  election, such as the allegation against Indian Section, ill fated ultra

  secret attempt by a Quartet of GC members to seize the President, and the

  display of cleavage in the December 2008 meeting of the GC such as never

  been seen in the history of TS. Due to the secrecy with which the GC has

  operated and continues to operate, ordinary members are in the dark about

  what other schemes are being cooked behind the scenes.

It is said, follow the money and you can understand what is going on. The

  underlying attraction seems to be the valuable real estate in Adyar and the

  money in the Treasury. If that were not the case, those who have a strong

  disagreement with the election verdict of majority of members world-wide,

  could have easily launched their own TS with followers and money raised from

  the followers.

The key note of TS is Brotherhood. I recall reading an instance in Ojai in

  1920s when someone made an uncomplimentary comment to a Krotona resident

  that if one wants to see how Brotherhood is really working in TS, all one

  needs to do is to visit Krotona.

The events since the start of the President election has, in my humble

  opinion, done a lasting harm to TS and theosophy. Anyone looking at the

  December 2008 GC meeting can come to their own conclusion about how

  Brotherhood is working in practice at the highest levels of TS world-wide.

We all know how Internet saved TS from the greatest peril it faced since

  Coloumb crisis. Internet also throws a bright light on all the events in and

  surrounding TS. Prospective members and newbees see for themselves the

  disconnect between the keynote of TS and the actions of leaders at the

  highest levels, thus making TS a laughing stock. Many members also have a

  very low level of trust in their leaders as a result of what is going on.

  Leaders can effectively lead only if the followers have a high level of

  trust in them.

Unless quick, open, transparent, good-faith, radical action is taken at all

  levels, I am afraid we are going to see the real effects of Kali Yuga on TS

  and thus all of us. I am an optimist and hope wise minds will perceive the

  problem and turn things around in a hurry.


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