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Re: Theos-World A New Theosophical Society???

Nov 05, 2009 11:25 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen

Dear MKR and friends

My views are:

Not that I do not find the thread efforts interesting, but may I be allowed to seek to explain, what I find to be the core of the problem facing TS and its elections?

MKR wrote:
"When Besant ran for office, everyone knew her intention and she did not
mince any words about it and did not use others to put forward her
candidature. She won the election in the most open and direct manner that
theosophists are expected to act."

Yes, but AFTER she got elected - she changed the structure of the TS and its relation to the Esoteric Section and her bodily self, all in opposition to the theosophical cause! - Is this not the actual problem, which the TS are facing today?


Alice L. Cleather wrote in 1922 - in her "H. P. Blavatsky, A Great Betrayal":

"Lectures, meetings, night classes, outside 
the college rooms and buildings, took place perpetually in 
the neighbouring T. S. premises and private residences, for 
expounding the doctrines of neo-theosophy and especially the 
book called At the Feet of the Master alleged to have been 
written down by Alcyone (J. Krishnamurti), as the embryonic 
scriptures and revelation of "the Embryo of a New Religion," 
as Mrs. Besant declares the O. S. E. to be. Resident students 
were advised, and a number of them began to keep photos 
of Alcyone, as the " vehicle " of the " Coming Christ " and 
himsell an " Initiate of the Great White Brotherhood " (and 
Mrs. Besant and one or two other living persons) "on the 
threshold of divinity," and to worship them with flowers, 
incense, etc. Old and young believers prostrating and genu- 
flecting, literally, at the feet of the living original when 
within reach. . . The then Principal of the College (who had 
founded the 0. R. S.) proclaimed in his lectures in the 
neighbouring T. S. Hall, and elsewhere, that he was a " High 
Disciple of the Master " ; and that the C. H. C. was " founded 
to prepare for the Advent of the World-Teacher." . . 

[Mrs. Besant] has publicly stated [that] all of the members 
of the General Council of the T. S. now belong, with one or 
two exceptions perhaps, to the " Esoteric Section," prime 
condition of membership of which is, THE FORMAL WRITTEN 


while the loud profession is freedom of thought " for all " 
the practice is sedulously "for herself," and her pledged votaries 
only; while the theory is that the O. S. E. "must 
not be identified with the T. S.," the practice is that the 
T. S. must be merged in the O. S. E. "
. . .
"mention is made 
of the " recognition of the God without us, which made us 
members of this Group from which we draw our life to-day " 
. . .
"The members of the Group are reminded that "we pledged 
ourselves in our hearts that we should strive to become 
her true and loyal servants . . .," etc. " 
. . .
"The trustee and manager into whose hands a copy of this astonishing document
came, with the information that ~it had been circulated~ amongst a number of the C.H.C.
Students, informed the Secretaries of the College, and sent the letter with comments on the same for
publication in a daily paper, in order to show to the public how the person-worship-creeds of
Mrs. Besant's 'neo-theosophy' were being sown and grown within the C.H.C., despite
the resolutions of the Trustees"

[the last three praragraphs was taken by Cleather from Sri Bhagavan Das article 1913 - former genral sec. - of TS India]

....And the text continues....

Any comments from TS members or just the ususal silence like in TS Adyar?

- - - - - - - 

Let us remember the words by Blavatsky in the below, and consider if we do not agree with her views...

H. P. Blavatsky wrote august  1889:
" There is  no longer a "Parent Society"; it is abolished and replaced by an aggregate  body of 
Theosophical Societies, all autonomous, as are the States of America,  and all 
under one Head-President, who, together with H. P. Blavatsky, will  champion the 
CAUSE against the whole world. Such is the real state of  things."

A PUZZLE FROM ADYAR by H. P. Blavatsky,  1889 - (Try to read this article.)
"WHEN the cat is abroad the mice dance in the house it seems. Since Colonel 
Olcott sailed for Japan, the Theosophist  has never ceased to surprise its 
European readers, and especially the Fellows of our Society, with most 
unexpected capers. 
It is as if the Sphinx had  emigrated from the Nile and was determined to 
continue offering her puzzles broadcast to 
the Odipuses of the Society."

"That the E.S. had never any pretensions to "boss the T.S." stands to 
reason: with the exception of  Col. Olcott, the President, the Esoteric Section has 
nothing whatever to do with the Theosophical Society, its Council or 
officers. It is a Section  entirely apart from the exoteric body, and independent of 
it, H.P.B. alone  being responsible for its members, as shown in the official 
announcement over  the signature of the President-Founder himself.* It follows, 
therefore, that  the E. S., as a body, owes no allegiance whatever to the 
Theosophical Society, as a society, least of all to Adyar."

"It is pure nonsense to say that  "H.P.B. . . . is loyal to the Theosophical 
Society and to Adyar" (!?) . H.P.B.  is loyal to death to the Theosophical 
CAUSE, and those great Teachers whose philosophy can alone bind the whole 
Humanity into one Brotherhood. Together  with Col. Olcott, she is the chief Founder 
and Builder of the Society which  was and is meant to represent that CAUSE; 
and if she is so loyal to H.S. Olcott, it is not at all because of his being 
its "President," but, firstly,  because there is no man living who has worked 
harder for that Society, or been  more devoted to it than the Colonel, and, 
secondly, because she regards him as  a loyal
friend and co-worker. Therefore the degree of her sympathies with  the 
"Theosophical Society and Adyar" depends upon the degree of the loyalty of  that 
Society to the CAUSE. Let it break away from the original lines and show  
disloyalty in its policy to the CAUSE and the original programme of the  Society, and 
H.P.B. calling the T.S. disloyal, will shake it off like dust  from her feet.
And what does "loyalty to Adyar" mean, in the name of all  wonders? What is 
Adyar, apart from that CAUSE and the two (not one Founder, if  you please) who 
represent it? Why not loyal to the compound or the bathroom of  Adyar?"

" There is  no longer a 
"Parent Society"; it is abolished and replaced by an aggregate  body of 
Theosophical Societies, all autonomous, as are the States of America,  and all 
under one Head-President, who, together with H. P. Blavatsky, will  champion the 
CAUSE against the whole world. Such is the real state of  things."

So what to do with the dust on our feets?
Continue to accept the Messiah-dogmas invented Besant about Krishnamurti; dogmas which appearntly are accepted until today - or instead - as ever - clearly and visible fight AGAINST blind dogmas, which was a part of the original aim with the Society?

Of course that does not imply me and other theosophists saying that one only aught to accept all what Blavatsky wrote, and that later words and writings are to be rejected. But do we in the name of compassion and universal brotherhood (and sisterhood) need such a cult-like Messiah behaviour within the TS? - I suggest, that it is clearly thrown away officially - and the original aims of the TS be followed down to the last dot!

Now to me, this is the key and core of the problems TS are facing, with its stupid kind of organisational structure, and its acceptance of a past leadership, which aught to have been abandoned for years...The core is not how one gets elected, when the organisational structure was different in Besants time when she got elected - than it was and is today! - People wants transperency and honesty, and not to be coerced into a religious body governed secretly from behind closed doors of the E.S. of obedience. - They want to know about wisdom - and not about blind obedience.

Any comments?

Another problem is, that we live in an information society in this globe these days. And because of that the TS organisational structure aught to be aftaped much more to scuh a stage in the evolution of mankind - The paradigm of ecological understanding and reason is not far away - or else it will be forced upon humanity through the Lae of Karma. The climate is changing.

- - -
How can one hear the voice of small mice,
when they do not say anything at all?

M. Sufilight
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk 
  Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:07 PM
  Subject: Theos-World A New Theosophical Society???

  A New Theosophical Society???

  In the past, when philosophical and political differences arose in TS, some
  of the leaders went off and formed their own TS to further their own vision
  of what theosophy is and what TS should do.

  Recently it was a revelation to me that when Annie Besant ran for the office
  of the President, the major section from which she did not get majority
  votes was the American Section. At the time of her election, there was also
  the distinct possibility her not being elected.

  It appears that there was a Plan B, with her forming her own TS supported by
  those who had confidence in her. She would have done it if the situation
  arose. She was a marvellous organizer and also fund raiser for TS and would
  not have needed any of the money and assets of TS, if a need arose to start
  a new TS. It is to be pointed out that it was during her leadership, Adyar
  estate was expanded to the current size of 200 plus acres from the early 10
  plus acres bought at Olcottâs time.

  When Besant ran for office, everyone knew her intention and she did not
  mince any words about it and did not use others to put forward her
  candidature. She won the election in the most open and direct manner that
  theosophists are expected to act.

  What a contrast when we look at what has been going on since the President
  election started. What is even more interesting are the events following the
  election, such as the allegation against Indian Section, ill fated ultra
  secret attempt by a Quartet of GC members to seize the President, and the
  display of cleavage in the December 2008 meeting of the GC such as never
  been seen in the history of TS. Due to the secrecy with which the GC has
  operated and continues to operate, ordinary members are in the dark about
  what other schemes are being cooked behind the scenes.

  It is said, follow the money and you can understand what is going on. The
  underlying attraction seems to be the valuable real estate in Adyar and the
  money in the Treasury. If that were not the case, those who have a strong
  disagreement with the election verdict of majority of members world-wide,
  could have easily launched their own TS with followers and money raised from
  the followers.

  The key note of TS is Brotherhood. I recall reading an instance in Ojai in
  1920s when someone made an uncomplimentary comment to a Krotona resident
  that if one wants to see how Brotherhood is really working in TS, all one
  needs to do is to visit Krotona.

  The events since the start of the President election has, in my humble
  opinion, done a lasting harm to TS and theosophy. Anyone looking at the
  December 2008 GC meeting can come to their own conclusion about how
  Brotherhood is working in practice at the highest levels of TS world-wide.

  We all know how Internet saved TS from the greatest peril it faced since
  Coloumb crisis. Internet also throws a bright light on all the events in and
  surrounding TS. Prospective members and newbees see for themselves the
  disconnect between the keynote of TS and the actions of leaders at the
  highest levels, thus making TS a laughing stock. Many members also have a
  very low level of trust in their leaders as a result of what is going on.
  Leaders can effectively lead only if the followers have a high level of
  trust in them.

  Unless quick, open, transparent, good-faith, radical action is taken at all
  levels, I am afraid we are going to see the real effects of Kali Yuga on TS
  and thus all of us. I am an optimist and hope wise minds will perceive the
  problem and turn things around in a hurry.


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