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Theos-World Re: Vanishing Participants and Users of cat�s paw

Jul 15, 2009 05:14 PM
by butchie122


Dear Morten,

I very much appreciated your response to my disillusionment with this site.  In the same spirit of frankness let me respond

Whilst I have been a member for many years I do not consider that I have any role to guide anyone.  The more I know the more that I realise that I do not know.  Like many others I have lots of beliefs that can be labelled Theosophy but my beliefs are not Theosophy.  Like you I think of myself as a seeker but it seems to me that the seeking is best done by the abandonment of my cherished beliefs.  HPB said that we should continuously attempt to have an attitude to all existing things which is neither love, hate nor indifference.  Nosagardatta said almosthe same thing when he was asked 'what is afact?'.  His response, 'a fact is an event in awareness unstained by desire or fear'.  

I am an active member of a Lodge in the Australian Section.  All around are members endevouring to understand the 'wisdom' that is inherent in Theosophy.  The Section has been well run on an open basis for at least 50 years to my knowledge.  We have little time to engage in the spiteful games that somrtimes seem to be played out on this site: eg an Anard reference to 'the satanic teachings of Krishnamurti' or the raking over the coals of alleged pressure on ES members to do this or that.  Maybe it happens in other places but not in Australia in my experience.

Anyone can say anything, make any allegations about anyone, speculate about any subject without any sourcing.

At teh members meeting here on Tuesday evening a member spoke on Ramana Maharshi in our 'Religious revolutionaries of the 20th century'.  It was a stimulating, mind clearing gathering - no-one teaching as a teacher, but everyone learning.

I'm grateful to the site for its vigulence in the recent international elections & the attempt to change the constitution but the attack on the honesty of Keith Fisher was among the many 'straws'.

So; I shall drop by from time to time and try to maintain the HPB attitude to each existing thing.

sincerely 

Brian Parry   


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Brian
> 
> Dear Brian
> 
> My views are:
> 
> Maybe I misunderstand you, but please listen.
> 
> The words you threw in the below make me say this:
> That is - to my best knowledge - not how a honest compassionate fellow theosophist aught to act in front of all other theosophists. We are here to be of service to each other.
> Come on!
> 
> In the below, you seem to tell me and others at Theos-talk, that we are "so predictable", and despite your great knowledge you seem quite unwilling to seek to guide hundreds of Seekers After Truth along the path of the Wisdom Teachings - also named theosophy?
> 
> I wonder, what you are seeking and what you have to offer?
> 
> If you find Theos-talk - so predictable - I do not understand why you do not teach at this place instead of throwing the below words, and almost slam the door in the face of all Theos-talk.
> 
> I find my self to be flexible and a listener. You know, I am a Seeker after truth.
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: butchie122 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:51 AM
>   Subject: Theos-World Re: Vanishing Participants and Users of cat�s paw
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   I'm one of the 'vanishing transients, and I use my own name, and I have been around the TS for so long that it is probably time to reincarnate. The reason is that this forum is so predictable. Since Pedro introduced me to the site much the same subjects keep being recycled endlessly. It is so sterotyped that if one sees the name you can almost always anticipate what is to be read. Sorry, but there are more important things in life. I will keep dipping in from time to time but without much hope
> 
>   Brian Parry
>   Melbourne, Australia
> 
>   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Vanishing Participants and Users of cat�s paws
>   > .
>   > From time to time, new transient subscribers show up on this and other
>   > theosophical forums. They show fairly in depth detailed knowledge about TS
>   > and hence obviously they have been around the TS to develop the depth of
>   > detailed information. Then after a short period, they disappear into
>   > oblivion never to be seen again. I have always wondered what is going on.
>   > 
>   > It looks like the names used by individuals are pseudonyms or could even be
>   > camoflages of well known personalities who do not have courage to stand up
>   > and post messages under their own names. The problem with this pattern is
>   > that while the information may be scintillating at first, soon lose their
>   > value. Some times one also gets the impression from the messages that some
>   > well-known personalities are using others post the messages so that if there
>   > is some serious backlash, the real perpetrators will escape unscathed and
>   > the cat�s paws get the blame. From the depth of knowledge in rather specific
>   > aspects of TS and the language and writing style can be pointers to the real
>   > identities.
>   > .
>   > Contrasting the above, all one has to do is see the writings of HPB, Olcott,
>   > Judge, Besant and others. What they wrote, they subscribed their names and
>   > stood behind their writings. They are excellent role models for theosophists
>   > to follow.
>   > .
>   > .
>   > MKR
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Visit www.theosophy.net
>   > 
>   > 
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