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Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual

Jul 11, 2009 10:10 AM
by Martin

Exactly, we share all, except our inner spark...that is us, our "cosmic seed" as KH mentioned I have been looking at it, but could't keep " my " eyes on it, that's how strong it is...:) At the same time, anyone else who was looking, lost in this poker game, and when people meet Chucks, they deliver half of it to you..fair deal? LOL, 
I had a flat tire a month ago..darn, those worldteachers always look back in time:)
My Sphinx riddle:
was it:

a) car
b) bike
c) trike
d) starfleet destroyer

--- On Sat, 7/11/09, <> wrote:

From: <>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 6:06 PM

People heal lepers (Hanson's Disease) with antibiotics.
Physical presence gets in the way of the teacher.  It is much more  
efficient to simply put the ideas out into the mahatmasphere and let people pick  
up on them.  And people are far more willing to accept an idea that they  
think is their own rather than someone else's.
Chuck the Heretic
In a message dated 7/11/2009 5:47:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, writes:


So people are healing the lepers in their heads then? Whats wrong with  
being physically present?

--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen  <_global-theosophy@global-thgl_ 
( >  wrote:

From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@global-thgl_ 
( >
Subject:  Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ ( 
Date:  Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:04 PM

Chuck said:
"I'm saying we need to  get away from the notion of teachers as 
agents  altogether."

Yes, when they are used as a publicity-stunt.
Idries  Shah has told clearly about it:

The  truth Guru's which are not physically known can be and are important. 
Most New  Age Guru's and even present day theosophical lecturers are only 
average human  beings, maybe bookworms or cunning orators and nothing else.
A tree is  known on its fruits, and not on how cunning it is in cheating 
people to  believe that throwing money away is a good idea or that emotional 
excitement  is the spiritual highest.

- - - - - - -

Idries Shah said:
"I  believe that the guru needs his disciples. If he had a sufficient 
outlet for  his desire to be a big shot or his feeling of holiness or his wish to 
have  others dependent on him, he wouldn't be a guru. 

I got all that out of  my system very early and, consistent with Sufi 
[theosophical] tradition, I  believe that those who don't want to teach are the 
ones who can and should.  The West still has a vocation hang-up and has not 
yet discovered this. Here,  the only recognized achiever is an obsessive. In 
the East we believe that a  person who can't help doing a thing isn't 
necessarily the best one to do it. A  compulsive cookie baker may bake very bad 
cookies. "
"Their  followers need the guru as much as the guru needs his followers. I 
just don't  regard it as a religious operation. I take a guru to be a sort 
of  psychotherapist. At the very best, he keeps people quiet and polarized 
around  him and gives some sort of meaning to their lives."
"Why  shouldn't there be room for what we might call "neighborhood 
psychotherapy" -  the community looking after its own? However, why it should be 
called a  spiritual activity rather baffles me."
"Some are frankly  phonies, and they don't try to hide it from me. They 
think that I am one, too,  so when we meet they begin the most disturbing 
conversations. They want to  know how I get money, how I control people, and so 
"They  actually feel there is something wrong with what they are doing, and 
they feel  better if they talk to somebody else who is doing it. I always 
tell them that  I think it would be much better if they gave up the guru role 
in their own  minds and realize that they are providing a perfectly good 
social  service."

- - -
The question is if the above words are what the  beginners at TS Adyar or 
other theosophical groups are greeted  with???

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message -----  
From: _Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (  
To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (   
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Re:  Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual

Hmmm, let's see.  Ghandi never faced a real opponent, Stalin would have 
had him for  lunch and Mother Theresa was a ghoul who fed off the energies 
the dying. I don't know what they were teaching but it ain't anything I  
would want to learn.

I'm saying we need to get away  from the notion of teachers as identifiable 
agents  altogether.

Chuck the Heretic

In a message dated  7/10/2009 10:22:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
_silva_cass@yahoo.sil_ (   writes:

So you are saying that World Teachers are known by their  actions rather 
than their words? If this is the case one could  argue that Gandhi and 
Theresa were world  teachers.

I suppose one can walk with world teachers or one can  walk behind them. 
A spiritual evolved soul is probably on the way  to being his/her own world 


>From: "__Drpsionic@aol._Dr_ (mailto:_Drpsionic@aol.Drp) _ 
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<__Drpsionic@aol._Dr_ (mailto:_Drpsionic@aol.Drp) _ 
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>To: _theos-talk@To: _theos-talTo: _theos-_theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
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>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 2:48:56 PM
>Subject:  Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>Ok. The World  Teacher thing is fun but the truth is that Theosophist have 
>been flying the wrong carpet on it since the idea floated out of Annie  
>the Bishop's hats. 
>First, there really has never been an identifiable person who could be  
>considered a "World Teacher" who had any serious impact in his  lifetime. 
>Buddha was just another local nutcase  and Jesus got himself killed. So 
>this business about finding  out who the next "World Teacher" was going to 
>makes about as much sense as trying to find out who will be the next  
>Jackson (in the hope of aborting him before  he can appear) and all the 
>over whether it was  Krishnamurti or Aleister Crowley or even L. Ron 
>Hubbard is  missing the point.
>We can ignore crooks like Sai  Baba Booey and crazy old Ben Creme for the 
>If there were to be a world teacher, that individual would  not have to 
>appear in public at all. He could be totally  obscure, sitting in his 
>room, watching reruns  of old game shows on cable, an putting the 
>directly into the minds of the people prepared to receive it without them  
>even knowing that he exists or that the information, the ideas  as it 
>came from any source other than their  own minds. The techniques are 
>certainly simple enough. Anyone  can master them in a few days. Which is 
why the 
>dugpa stuff is so silly. There is nothing they can do that anyone else  
>cannot do and probably are.
>It is  obvious that the idea of a World Teacher, wandering the earth 
>spreading teaching to the hungry masses is a simple failure to understand  
>information can be spread. It is from a mindset  locked into archaic and 
>fundamentally clumsy means of  communication, voice, the written word, 
>appearance, even video. There is no need for any of that and one wonders  
>why those called masters of the wisdom, who frankly do not, in  
>seem to have been masters of much of  anything but falling off their 
>carpets, would  not have realized that. 
>The search is a waste of  time and energy. If there really is a world 
>teacher running  around loose somewhere, he has no need to be found, no 
desire to  
>be public. That would just get in the way and be a  distraction.
>It is time to face reality and  forget all the nonsense that has been 
>written in the past by  people who either did not know what they were 
>about or who had a vested interest in public ignorance.
>Chuck the heretic
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