Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
Jul 06, 2009 09:43 PM
The ES has no information that the Dugpas, or anyone else for that matter,
can find to be of any use. And if they wanted to learn anything an ES
meeting is very easy to remote view by just about anyone.
Chuck the Heretic
In a message dated 7/6/2009 8:07:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
That begs the question, what could clever dugpas do with the information
released through the ES? What, perhaps, have they already done?
--- In _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:email@example.com) ,
Cass Silva <silva_cass@sil> wrote:
> Perhaps it is as simple as thinking that a pledge is a precautionary act
- a hope that if certain knowledge is given out that this knowledge will
not be used for selfish rather than altruistic reasons. There have been
certain scientists in the past that have intuitively known, eg Keely, that if
what he learnt was given out freely to the world this knowledge could be
used to destroy humanity. I guess in science one cannot surround the truth
in parable or allegory.
> >From: Anand <AnandGholap@Ana>
> >To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org)
> >Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 4:36:33 AM
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robert_b_macd" <robert.b.macdonald
> >> Dear Anand,
> >> I missed answering one question that you had. You asked where the
higher self comes into this pledge. The pledge is ended with the words "So
Help Me, My Higher Self." The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and
occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to
sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many
lifetimes it takes. It is a serious pledge.
> >Jerry told that ES members under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow
Mrs. Radha. Words used in current pledge are not the Outer Head or Masters.
Does that mean their souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many lifetimes?
> >You wrote:
> >"The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces from
your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you
either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it takes."
> >How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently) ", when he would
be trying again if he fails?
> >You wrote:
> >> Regardless, as I do not see a binding pledge as being necessary for a
reformed ES, the second part of this clause could be done away with, and
the pledge would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
> >You don't need separate ES organization for taking such a pledge. One
can sign the pledge of following moral guidelines, keep it with himself or
send it to the HQ and they will file it. May be it is better to keep secrecy
regarding who made such a pledge.
> >Divisions get created in TS when you form a separate Esoteric Section.
Politics and other evils enter due to creation of such separate Section.
> >Anand Gholap
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