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Re: Theos-World MOTIVES

May 27, 2009 06:59 PM
by Cass Silva

All we can do Frank is study the particulars and work on our motives until the time is right
Page 7 - the Mahatma Letters

1) The desire to receive positive and unimpeachable proofs that there really are forces in nature of which science knows nothing

2) The hope to appropriate them some day - the sooner the better, for you do not like to wait - so as to enable yourself  (a) to demonstrate their existence to a few chosen western minds;  b) to contemplate future life as an objective reality built upon the rock of Knowledge - not of faith; and c) to finally learn - most important thing, among all your motives, perhaps, though the most occult and the best guarded - the whole truth about our Lodges and ourselves; to get in short, the positive assurance that the "Brothers" - of whom evryone hears so much and sees so little - are real entities, not fictions of a distorted, hallucinated brain.  Such, viewed in their best light appears to us your "motives" for addressing me........

To our minds then, these motives, sincere and worthy of every serious consideration from the worldly standpoint, appear - selfish.

From: Frank Reitemeyer <>
Sent: Thursday, 28 May, 2009 5:26:22 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World seeking the buddha's teaching

Well, I find this story a little bit problematic.
This story belongs to another time, another race and therefor another 
Obviously the story wants to say that you cannot find outside what is not 
Goethe f.e. said the same.

But from an isolated view the story could mislead people to the believe that 
he can find the occult truths without a teacher.
Purucker f.e. states that no one can understand the teachings without a 
Purucker's claim is supported by the fact that the Theosophical Movement has 
made no progess since he went home in 1942.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bill Meredith
To: theos-l@yahoogroups .com ; theos-talk@yahoogro
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:12 PM
Subject: Theos-World seeking the buddha's teaching

When Hui-hai came to Zen Master Ma-tsu, Ma-tsu asked him,

"What have you come here for?"
Hu-hai said, "I have come seeking the Buddha's teaching."
"What a fool you are!" Ma-tsu said. "You have the greatest
treasure in the world inside you, and yet you go around asking
other people for help. What good is this? I have nothing to
give you."
Hu-hai bowed and said, "Please, tell me what this treasure
Ma-tsu said, "Where is your question coming from? This is
your treasure. It is precisely what is asking the question at this
very moment, Everything is stored in this precious treasure-
house of yours. It is there at your disposal, you can use it as
you wish, nothing is lacking. You are the master of everything.
Why then are you running away from yourself and seeking for
things outside?"

Upon hearing these words, Hui-hai realized his own mind.

Once, the great Ma-tsu said to me, "Your own treasure-
house already contains everything you need. Why don't you
use it freely, instead of chasing after something outside your-
self?" From that day on, I stopped looking elsewhere. Just make
use of your own treasure-house according to your needs, and
you will be happy men. There isn't a single thing that can be
grasped or rejected.
When you stop thinking that things have a past or future,
and that they come or go, then in the whole universe there
won't be a single atom that is not your own treasure. All you
have to do is look into your own mind; then the marvelous
reality will manifest itself at all times.

--Hui-hai, quoted in THE ESSENCE OF WISDOM,
edited by Stephen Mitchell, Broadway Books, 1998, p26-27


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