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Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?

May 13, 2009 04:28 AM
by Antonio/Tony None

Hi Leon,

I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
 Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation. People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
 intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal truth. Love.

Peace and blessings

--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <> wrote:

From: Leon Maurer <>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM


      Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the revealing of  

their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or  

their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new  

messenger begins the new mission?

And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated  

through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to  

begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the  

modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and  

applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high  

technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated with  

the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship  

-- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?

And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of  

superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats  

during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their  

new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was  

withheld from HPB)?

Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal  

themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their  

names  this time around.  There would also no longer be a need to  

attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a  

notorious personality. ..  Since all that now matters would be to  

prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free  

each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit all  

forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation, personal  

Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.


Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical  

Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill  

that role...  Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into  

the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her  


Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books  

necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret  

Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?   

(Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along  

with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)

Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger  

could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the  

Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific  

journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge?   

And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the  

accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a  

proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as  

Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his  

theories.;-) See:

http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html

Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings  

(with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally  

together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal  

brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the world  

the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as  

the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a  

messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police state  

governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.

Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,  

messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that  

time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet).  And, the  

biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"  

will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah himself ;-)

So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle down to  

learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when  

that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for  

organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever  

way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was  

meant to be.

Best wishes,

Leon Maurer

On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:

> Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now  

> make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?


> Cass





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> From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@>

> To: theos-talk@yahoogro

> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM

> Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?






> Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?


> Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult  

> Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide  

> professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's  

> teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master  

> Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."


> Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from  

> H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the  

> expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:


> "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far  

> better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final  

> and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta- 

> Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and  

> philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to  

> men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original  

> edition)


> But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following  

> two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in  

> December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.


> The first passage reads:


> "Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the  

> time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the  

> present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be  

> summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is  

> even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned than  

> herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of

> the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will not  

> have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every last  

> quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain  

> point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from  

> which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will  

> advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master  

> of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or  

> America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce  

> every chance

> of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year 1975.  

> Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and the  

> restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will  

> expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's Collected  

> Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.


> The second passage is as follows:


> ". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is  

> made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual progress of  

> Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each  

> century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of  

> spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken  

> place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their

> agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and  

> teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in the  

> form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have  

> done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and  

> healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth  

> century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will have  

> been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .  

> but besides a large

> and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse  

> will find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome the  

> new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared  

> for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the  

> new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival . . . ."  

> The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.


> The three passages taken together indicate that HPB was referring  

> to an emissary of the Masters coming in 1975 or later. These  

> statements by HPB would seem to rule out the messenger being Alice  

> Bailey or many other claimants. For a list of such claimants, see:


> http://blavatskyarc latermessengers. htm#six


> Daniel









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