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Re: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?

May 08, 2009 03:04 PM
by Martin


This is what Confucius had to do with it :-)

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--- On Fri, 5/8/09, Govert Schuller <schuller@alpheus.org> wrote:
From: Govert Schuller <schuller@alpheus.org>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah:  Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 4:14 PM











    
            
            


      
      Cass,



You say the TS was already in a state of confusion when taken over by AB & CWL or because of them?



The outcome of one's speculations about the motives of AB & CWL for doing the WT project all depend on how one would regard the project in the first place. If you don't think it was genuine, then indeed you have to wonder why they were doing it. If you think it was genuine, then a whole different view of their motivations is possible. 



BTW, it could be argued that the TS was from the beginning in a state of confusion and was badgered by crisis after crisis.  



Govert 



----- Original Message ----- 

  From: Cass Silva 

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

  Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:59 PM

  Subject: Re: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?



I disagree Govert, the TS was in a state of confusion when taken over

  by Besant and Leadbeater, I believe, they believed, that a World Teacher

  would bring the TS back to stability and would increase membership.

  She was ready to leave the TS and join Krishnamurti - what does that 

  tell us?  



I was amused by AB turning the world teacher into a'gentleman' with a

  university education - by doing this she exposed him to a world and an

  awareness of a world outside of Adyar.  I don't think he liked the suits

  as he got out of them as quickly as he could.  lol



Cass 



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  From: Govert Schuller <schuller@alpheus. org>

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

  Sent: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009 1:07:59 AM

  Subject: Re: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?



Daniel,



The WT project in my view was genuine, but had some 'messiah craze' elements, inevitably so given the state of the human psyche. One of the 'craze' elements was indeed the 'apostle affair,' which neither CWL nor K believed in. It came from Arundale's 'crazed' brain. 



To reason from a few 'craze' elements to the conclusion that it was only 'craze' is as fallacious as reasoning from the belief that the project was genuine and that therefore all elements were genuine. 



HPB's thoughts on messiahship are helpfull to be extremely cautious about such claims. CWL, AB and K lived up to it to a certain extent. In the end it was K who failed and dragged the TS into a state of confusion and shock it has not yet overcome. 



Govert



----- Original Message ----- 

  From: danielhcaldwell 

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

  Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:21 AM

  Subject: Theos-World Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze?



Annie Besant on Her Messiah: Was this Part of the Messiah Craze? 

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Annie Besant at her most eloquent best:



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  "And now I have to give you, by command of the King, His message,

  and some of the messages of the Lord Maitreya and His great

  Brothers. . . what I am saying, as to matter of announcement, is

  definitely at the command of the King whom I serve.



His taking possession of His chosen vehicle . . . will be soon.

  Then He will choose, as before, His twelve apostles . . . and their

  chief, the Lord Himself. He has already chosen them, but I have only

  the command to mention seven who have reached the stage of Arhatship...



The first two, my brother Charles Leadbeater and myself, . . . C.

  Jinarajadasa, . . . George Arundale, Oscar Kollerstrom, . . . Rukmini

  Arundale....



I left out one and must leave out another. Naturally, our

  Krishnaji [Jiddu Krishnamurti] was one, but he is to be the vehicle

  of the Lord. And the other is one who is very dear to all of us, as

  to the whole Brotherhood: Bishop James Wedgwood. He had borne his

  crucifixion before the seal of Arhatship was set upon him by his King.

  Those are the first seven of the twelve whom He has chosen, with

  Himself as the thirteenth. 'Ye call me Master and Lord, and ye do

  well, for so I am.'

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Daniel

  http://hpb.cc



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