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Re: Theos-World new member message for old members

May 02, 2009 02:36 PM
by MKR

I remember Dallas. What is interesting is that while he was associated with
ULT, he was open minded and free to discuss any theosophical matter with
anyone with any of the other groups, displaying the love of theosophy he
had. It was possible for him to engage here because, it is Eldon's maillist
and not controlled by any organization. I think when people get entangled in
organizational politics (sometimes it may affect their livelyhood, and other
previleges from organizations), it becomes very difficult for them to act as
a free man or woman because any real or perceived deviation from official
line will bring in quick retaliation of one form or the other, since it is
human nature.

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Shel Steijl <> wrote:

> Dear MKR and Eldon,
> Thanks to you both respectively, for a. explaining the current situation,
> and b. attempting to redirect the energies of the discussion. Time will tell
> if your efforts bear fruit ..;-). Thanks anyway.
> When I joined the forum, Dallas Tenbroek was a member who had the time,
> wisdom, energy and resources to post regular scripts on this forum. These
> were seldom, if ever, a link to another site or library, with the content of
> his post being embedded in the message itself. Reference would sometimes be
> made to external reading (eg. SD, VOS), but the reader could in fact benefit
> without having the source at hand. The messages were such to inspire any
> student of theosophy to more learning. I do not recall any opinions being
> offered regarding the politics of any organisation or study group, and
> seldom did he criticise or question the material offered by any one writer
> (historical or living); instead reference would be made to quotes which
> illustrated an alternative point of view. Like many other members, I looked
> forward to Dallas's writings and benefitted from them immensely. His death
> in September 2006 was a sad shock, but his work lives still.
> I would welcome another "Dallas" to this site. If I had the time - and,
> more importantly, the knowledge - I would like to attempt this myself.
> Unfortunately, I have neither of these attributes (yet) ... perhaps there is
> another member out there who is willing and able?
> Kind regards
> Shel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eldon B Tucker
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 7:25 PM
> Subject: Theos-World new member message for old members
> Here's the message that new subscribers get on theos-talk. It would be good
> to keep it in mind during the discussions.
> One thread that seems to be getting a bit too personal seems to have
> originated in a message of Ananad's where he says that Reed Carson, Katinka
> Hesselink, and Daniel Caldwell were "some of the individuals who did much
> damage to Theosophical movement by their online activities." This is the
> "will you shut up" thread.
> I think it's time for the "will you shut up" thread to itself shut up.
> Let's enact a cease fire on all sides where all the "you're a bad person
> because you did ..." talk stops.
> We can talk about the relative merits of Leadbeater, Crowley, Bailey, Wood,
> Ballard, Hodgson, Barborak, etc. without picking still-living people on the
> list being personally put under the microscope and dissected.
> It would be good if we shifted our attention from the weakness in our
> opponent's position, looking to strike yet another stunning blow, and
> instead look for something interesting, creative, and unrelated to personal
> disputes.
> There's an interesting short piece in the March 2009 SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN.
> "Taming the Madness of Crowds" on page 16 talks about hooliganism, about
> "the melees ant international soccer matches are infamous for the intensity
> of violence . . . Social scientists who study hooligan chaso think they
> have
> fonud a better way to keep the peace . . . Portuguese security adopted the
> researcher' recommendation to institute low-profile, not-aggressive
> tactits--the most visible of which was to leave the riot gear behindfor
> police officers closest to fans . . . [It] did not alienate fans in the
> same
> way that legions of police in riot gear do. Shows of force . . . tend to
> antagonize crows, especially if police display favoritism, as in the case
> of
> a 2001 match in Rome when the officers stood by while Italian fanatics
> pelted Mancherster United aficionados with full plastic bottles."
> There are many short pieces of new discoveries, ideas, or approaches that
> appear in popular magazines. Anyone else come across something inseresting?
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