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Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status

Apr 19, 2009 00:59 AM
by MKR

Olcott's case is unique. He was the founder president and president for

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <> wrote:

> You have some good points there Anand.
> But Olcott did not live in India in many decades. So I wonder what the
> difference was?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anand
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:03 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status
> India has largest membership because it is a country with 1.1 billion
> population. India has second largest population in the world. You need to
> consider percentage of members (number of members divided by population of
> the country multiplied by 100) Percentage membership in India is not very
> different from other countries.
> But vast population in India means largest TS membership in India. That
> means any person who wants to become President of TS must be able to win
> substantial votes from Indian members. As foreigners (non-Indians) are not
> going to live in India for decades, it will be difficult for them to become
> popular among Indian members. It means maximum chances for becoming
> President are for a person who lives in India and gains popularity in India.
> Indians respect western people and are not against giving post to them. Most
> powerful political leader in India for last many years is Sonia Gandhi. She
> is Italian and yet Indians accept her as leader. Indians also accepted
> foreigners like Olcott, Annie Besant, G.S. Arundale etc. Important thing to
> be remember is these leaders lived in India and could earn respect from
> Indian members. I think if any foreign leader has to earn respect and votes
> among Indian members, he will have to live in India and work for Theosophy.
> If foreign leaders are not willing to live in India for decades, then Indian
> member who lives in India has maximum chances of becoming a President.
> Also a foreigner who wants to earn respect among Indians must be
> outstanding in his inner development. Olcott, AB, Arundale had exceptional
> inner development and so they were elected by Indians. Indians are not going
> to support foreigners just because he or she is foreigner. They will see
> inner development.
> That means a foreigner must have exceptional inner development and he must
> live in India for many decades. Then he might gain votes from Indian members
> and become President of TS.
> Are there any people outside India who are exceptionally brilliant and are
> willing to live in India for decades?
> The above analysis explains dynamics of Presidential elections. Things will
> work as explained above IF TS remains democratic in true sense.
> Best
> Anand Gholap
> --- In <>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > HPB was sent to the USA to find HSO and launch the TS in New York. HPB
> > clearly stated that she was following the orders from the Lodge and the
> two
> > Brothers from Tibet. Both were then ordered to go to India. India was
> > unknown to HSO and the future prospects were totally unknown. They left
> for
> > India because of their total trust and confidence in the wisdom of the
> > Brothers. The life and travel in India was very difficult for someone who
> > grew up in the West.
> >
> > HPB knew USA was the cradle of the next Root Race and was aware of the
> great
> > future progress of the Humanity lies in the USA. But, anyone who did not
> > have an inkling of the wisdom of the Brothers would have thought that HPB
> > and HSO were foolish to go India with unknown future.
> >
> > After transplanting TS in India and establishing the world headquarters
> in
> > Adyar, TS grew world-wide. The growth was rapid during the years when
> Annie
> > Besant was the President and the World Teacher project was progressing.
> >
> > After the Jiddu KrishnamurtiÃââs announcement of his Truth is a Pathless
> Land
> > message, the membership world-wide took a hit. But the basic foundation
> that
> > developed till then, continued to remain strong as ever even thought the
> > membership numbers did not reflect the inherent strength. Many may
> dispute
> > this. There is no objective way to measure the strength. One indication
> that
> > is worth noting is that even today, world-wide, there are numerous TS
> > members who study KrishnajiÃââs lectures and watch the videos.
> >
> > The issue of relevance of India to TS relative to the rest of the world
> has
> > come into sharp focus in the recent election. Membership in India has
> shown
> > steady growth from year to year during the last several decades. On the
> > other hand, in most of the countries outside India, it has been stagnant
> or
> > on a downward slide. Of course those who find excuses for everything will
> > argue the issue of quantity vs quality. There is no proof to substantiate
> > this.
> >
> > Currently the membership in India is the largest. I think this fact is a
> > significant evidence of the wisdom of the Brothers in their decision to
> move
> > the TS to India. A significant result of this fact is that anyone who
> > aspires to lead the TS in the future has to have substantial support from
> > the members in India. Without substantial support from members in India,
> no
> > candidate can get elected. The numerical strength of members in India is
> > also a bulwark against any future administrationÃââs attempt to belittle
> Adyar
> > as a token site of TS.
> >
> > It is pitiful to watch the events since the start of the election last
> year.
> > Presenting untruthful health information about Radha Burnier to members
> > outside India with the simple objective of defeating the sitting
> president
> > is unprecedented in the TS history. Also the unsubstantiated attempt to
> > allege procedural errors in voting in India enraged most membership in
> > India, which will make the motivation of any candidate from outside India
> > highly suspect in the minds of members for a long time to come.
> Compounding
> > all of the above was the attempted coup to seize the presidency by
> > disenfranchising membership world-wide and control appointment of future
> > presidents by a handful of GC members.
> >
> > The overwhelming membership in India and the role played by Internet in
> > demolishing the untruthful information and the distribution of the coup
> > discovery prevented a fatal blow to the TS.
> >
> > I think that all of the above are an indication of the foresight of the
> > Brothers and some may poo-poo the whole idea.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > There is no religion higher than truth
> >
> >
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> >
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