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Re: Theos-World Re: why didn't anybody reply to my thoughtful message........

Mar 30, 2009 07:20 AM
by Frank Reitemeyer

Well said, mkr.

To be more precise, to me the most important point is that the RIGHT decisions are made - that they are made in the open or behind the curtain is less important.

The inner TS/TM creating of bad karma by wrong decisions or - MORE BAD - by refusing to make decisions at all must be stopped.

We need younger leaders who are brave and alert and are able to grasp what is needed today. Like John Coats.

Would the theosophical officials use the power of the internet and the theosophical community would speak out in the public with one voice - the world could be changed.

It seems easier to play ostrich as to speak out - very strange for people, who claim to believe in karma and reincarnation.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: MKR 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: why didn't anybody reply to my thoughtful message........

Whatever may be the past, the fact is that TS in India is well and growing
at a time when in the West it is stagnant and declining.

Also India has the largest membership of any country and I think this proves
the wisdom of moving TS from NY to India. As I have discussed, we need
transparency both at national and international levels so that business
decisions can be done in the open and the leaders stand by their decisions
in the open and not behind the veil of secrecy.


On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:30 AM, <> wrote:

> Bruce,
> I quite agree. In fact the expulsion of the "Solitary Agent of the
> Mahatma's" by those of Adyar in the most craven despicable contemnible
> ignoble dugpa manner is beyond any redemption and remains the "Black Mark"
> held indelibly in the beyond. The whole "Expulsion" is the root of the
> objection about rekindling old historacle memory's and as far is many here
> on this Forum who never knew about Adyars venal actions, it should be
> regularily explained and posted in detail here and on Daniel Caldwells and
> other sites for all free minded to see and read. By the unceremonious
> eviction of Madame Blavatsky by Adyar who presented themselves to her in her
> residence there telling her to leave by nightfall, and that her advice,
> council, and other originations, as well as that which proceeded from her
> from the Mahatma's was no longer of any value or use to them and was
> undesired by them forever prohibits Adyars leadership of Theosophy in my
> personal view and opinion. In my view the context had origination with Subba
> Rao and his Brahmin sensitivities which continued to a culmination. Just my
> two cents. Don't send one copper penny to Adyar should be the motto of
> Theosophists.
> Regards,
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robert_b_macd" <<>>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:30:30 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Theos-World Re: why didn't anybody reply to my thoughtful
> message........
> In Volume XII, no. 2, of Fohat, Ernest Pelletier detailed the expulsion of
> TS in Canada from the Adyar Society. From a copy of the minutes and from
> reports from inside the meeting, Mr. Pelletier was able to attest that:
> "Some of the members of the General Council of the Theosophical Society who
> met on January 1st, 1992 held a number of proxies for various national
> Societies. Following the expulsion of TS in Canada, individuals across the
> country were contacted by international friends who expressed their regret
> at having granted a proxy on their behalf which thereby allowed a handful of
> Council members to vote to "dissociate" Canada. Bill Johnstone, then General
> Secretary in New Zealand, was one of the first of these to telephone and
> express his distress regarding the situation."
> Elsewhere in the article detailing the events running up to the expulsion,
> Mr. Pelletier writes:
> "Members of Edmonton TS have always strived to associate with any and all
> theosophical organizations. . . One member of ETS . . . was also a member of
> the ES in the capacity of recording secretary. He encouraged my wife and me
> to arrange to spend time at Camp Indralaya on Orcas Island to get acquainted
> with Canadian and American theosophists in the west who meet there in the
> summer. During our second sojourn (1984) we were invited to visit Joan and
> Hank van Busekom at their residence. Hank was a bishop in the Liberal
> Catholic Church. Dorothy Abbenhouse, who resided on the Island with husband
> John; Virginia Hanson and Joy Mills, guest lecturers at Indralaya (from
> Ojai, CA); and other ES members were also present. It became clear that this
> was a recruitment effort where we were encouraged to join the LCC and ES. It
> was explained to us how being an ES'er brought one closer to the Masters and
> that it was from among the ES ranks that someone would be chosen as a
> vehicle should a Master require one in the outside world. The invitation was
> declined.
> The writer holds that as my wife and I were active members of Edmonton TS,
> my direct involvement with the national organization, TS in Canada, was
> perhaps anticipated.[ The writer was in fact on the Board of Directors of TS
> in Canada from 1989 to 1995.] An ES member in such a capacity could
> potentially provide a source of influence for Adyar in the affairs of TS in
> Canada as all ES members take an oath of allegiance to the Outer Head to
> whom they owe their primary obedience. Rejection of this overture extended
> by prominent officials of the Liberal Catholic Church and the Esoteric
> Section was likely disappointing.
> Then in 1985 ETS initiated its republishing program. Rare articles,
> pamphlets and books that Adyar had sought to destroy over the years were
> copied and distributed around the globe. This caught the attention of the
> International Society. Further, in 1987 it was arranged for Rex Dutta, an
> ex-member of both Adyar and the ES, to lecture in various cities across
> western Canada. Joy Mills, who had previously turned down a number of
> invitations, quite unexpectedly offered to tour western Canada slightly in
> advance of Dutta's scheduled visit. Dutta was not overly well received in
> one center in particular as a result of the negativity instilled just a few
> weeks prior to his arrival. While in Edmonton she also stressed the futility
> of rekindling the fires of old historical controversies and recommended the
> republishing program be shut down. Edmonton TS has the impression that its
> various undertakings were part of, if not one of the main reasons behind
> Adyar's expulsion of TS in Canada."
> The point was that TS in Canada had always had an independent voice, and
> the last thing that certain members of the International Society wanted was
> that voice to interfere with future plans, I would suspect. I doubt that
> Radha was in the loop on this, although she did nothing to stop it, but
> rather accepted the weak excuses offered by fellow board members, especially
> members of TS in America. As is well known, TS in Canada was not the only
> Section to be expelled, there has been a pruning going on for some time. A
> strong president in Adyar could still be a threat to the LCC and to ES
> power. No doubt, there has been an effort for some time to put one of theirs
> in power. This is probably what we saw during the last election.
> The fact is politics is being played within the TS Adyar, and has been for
> a long time. Members have been asleep assuming that all is well from their
> leaders. There have been injustices that have been allowed to go
> unchallenged. Why would anyone believe that there is anything left in the
> Adyar Society worth saving? The Masters left Adyar with the expulsion of
> Blavatsky. Any semblance of truth left with the death of Olcott.
> Bruce
> --- In <> , MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > Can you please elaborate the circumstances of the excommn? It is also
> > interesting that the same individuals had a role in trying to defeat
> Radha.
> > Any info is welcome.
> >
> > I still feel that much of the problems is due to the continued extreme
> > secrecy of operations (Master KH warned in his 1900 letter) behind the
> > scenes and as you are aware, a small group came very close to seizing
> > control of the president by secretly disenfranchising the members
> world-wide
> > and but for its disclosure in Internet and world-wide outrage from
> members,
> > we would have seen the beginning of the end of the TS in this
> incarnation.
> > What was also most shocking is that none of the so called leaders who
> write,
> > lecture and discuss about Truth, honesty etc., and perhaps meditate every
> > day and aim at becoming chelas, came out and called the spade a spade.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > On 3/29/09, robert_b_macd <robert.b.macdonald@...> wrote:
> >
> > I do not belong to the Adyar Society anymore. I was part of an entire
> > Section that was excommunicated on the whim of one or two Adyar officials
> in
> > possession of proxies from many countries which they dishonestly used to
> > achieve their own political ends. Bravo to these wise stewards of
> Theosophy.
> >
> >
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> >
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