Re: Theos-World Blavatsky & Krishnamurti (3)
Feb 22, 2009 11:52 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Dear Anand and friends
My views are:
Dear Anand I politely ask you - so to be of service to you;
So I understand, that you are even not agreeing with C. W. Leadbeater about H. P. Blavatsky?
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As late as 1930 - C. W. Leadbeater wrote in his book
"How Theosophy came to me", chapter IV:
"Even the Theosophical Society shows only a small part of her work; for, for every member of this Society there may well be ten, twelve, or twenty non-members who have read the books and acquired much Theosophical knowledge. So her teaching has spread out of all proportion to the size of her Society. That is what Madame Blavatsky has done for us, and for the world, and for that we owe her our love and our gratitude. She told us always:
"These are the facts; but do not believe them because I say so. Use your own reason and common-sense; give life to the teaching, and prove it for yourselves. Don't carp or grumble or criticize; work."
We who accepted her challenge, we who followed her advice, soon found that her statements were justified, that her teachings were true. So to you, her followers of the present day, I would say: "Go you, and do likewise.""
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky & Krishnamurti (3)
We all believe. Do you not believe in what Blavatsky says? I say most
of the members here believe in Theosophy because they have not
experienced all the things which Blavatsky and other occultists have
J. Krishnamurti's attacks on beliefs are incredibly wrong because
lives of all people are based on beliefs. When we start our education
in school, we study books and believe, for the time being at least,
that what is written in books is correct. At that time we are not in a
position to challenge the writing in books, due to lack of enough
knowledge. Even the students who take Master's degree in management or
engineering, or medical do not generally challenge what is taught to
them. They believe that what is taught to them in college and through
books is correct. Only some of a few students who do Ph.D. later take
trouble to think whether what is taught is correct or not.
In spiritual development also we believe in what Great Ones have
taught and start walking. If every child keeps on questioning mother's
wisdom, it will be impossible to raise children.
So if a person is to follow J. Krishnamurti's philosophy of
challenging every belief unless experienced, life will become
impossible to live. Fortunately, most people don't bring into action
what JK says.
You gave some quotations from Blavatsky and Mahatma Letters. I think
Blavatsky's writing and Pseudo-letters contain many mistakes and I
don't believe in some of the statements they made. I don't recommend
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "nigel_healy" <nigelhealy@...> wrote:
> Dear Anand
> I have been reading your posts for some time now and it is very clear
> that you have a 'belief mindset'. You do not recognise the problem,
> from a Theosophical perspective, with this mindset and are constantly
> on the defence. As a recovered catholic myself, I understand that it
> is very difficult (though not impossible) to let go of our beloved
> belief systems. The Mahatma K.H. puts it that there is "..a general
> unwillingness to give up an established order of things for new modes
> of life and thought.." (ML,1)
> Again the same Mahatma says; "The God of the Theologians is simply an
> imaginary power,...a power which has never yet manifested itself. Our
> chief aim is to deliver humanity of this nightmare, to teach man
> virtue for its own sake, and to walk in life relying on himself
> instead of leaning on a theological crutch, that for countless ages
> was the direct cause of nearly all human misery." (ML,10 3rd ed)
> In your post you speak of the "Lord Jesus" asking us to believe stuff!
> I see serious problems with this considering this is a Theosophical
> forum and not a christian one!
> H.P.B., who founded the Theosophical Society and wrote the books that
> are the foundations of Theosophy (all later writings are either
> derived from these or have nothing to do with the original writings)
> made her views on the "Lord Jesus" quite clear;
> "For me Jesus Christ, i.e., the Man-God of the Christians, copied from
> the Avataras of every country, from Hindu Krishna as well as the
> Egyptian Horus, was never a historical person. He is a deified
> personification of the glorified type of the great Hierophants of the
> Temples, and his story, as told in the New Testament, is an allegory,
> assuredly containing profound esoteric truths, but still an allegory."
> I have no problem with the religious mindset, being an Irish
> Australian I find myself surrounded by it!
> But it just simply isn't THEOSOPHY.
> And this is a THEOSOPHICAL forum.
> My intention is not to knock another's freedom of thought, but to seek
> the Truth.
> Kind regards,
> --- In email@example.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > Dear Pedro,
> > > Finally, I remembered what the late Ianthe H. Hoskins told me at
> > > in 1994, during her last visit: "Belief is the tomb of Truth."
> > >
> > > Pedro
> > >
> > Do you think that St. Paul was misleading people when he said " the
> > righteous will live by faith" ? Do you think that Lord Jesus was
> > misleading people when he asked people to believe as written
> > throughout the Gospels? Do you think that Indian spiritual writings
> > were misleading people when they demanded Shraddha (faith or belief)?
> > Either scriptures were wrong or J. Krishnamurti was wrong. You can not
> > say both are right. This position is logically absurd.
> > Best
> > Anand Gholap
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