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Re: Theosophy and Phenomenology

Feb 15, 2009 05:43 PM
by nhcareyta

Dear Sampsa

May I comment on one of your statements, somewhat out of 
context, to highlight an important point you make?

You write, "My argument is that those teachers, who continue 
the old CWL  (Bishop Leadbeater) direction by talking about 
initiations and personal Masters who come to us as we call 
them, have not learned the essential lesson?"
(My brackets)

This statement, in and of itself, is significant and accurate.

The Mahatma KH writes, "True, we have our schools and teachers, 
our neophytes and shaberons (superior adepts), and the door is 
always opened to the right man who knocks. And we invariably 
welcome the newcomer; only, instead of going over to him he 
has to come to us."
Mahatma Letters to AP Sinnett No.2  Chr, George Linton and 
Virginia Hanson.

The Masters do not come to us by our pleas or prayers according 
to Madame Blavatsky's teachers, but by our actions; selfless, 
compassionate and committed to the search for truth.

And later in the same letter, "Is any of you so eager for knowledge 
and the beneficent powers it confers as to be ready to leave your 
world and come into ours?"

I wonder just how many really are.


--- In, "sampsakuukasjarvi" 
<sampsakuukasjarvi@...> wrote:
> Dear Govert,
> I think you perhaps don't take account that antroposophy, instead 
> theosophy of the Theosophical Society (Adyar), was very big in 
> Germany since 1913, i.e. before the rise of Hitler. So the failed 
> Krishnamurti case (or "project" or whatever) with its messiah 
> expectations didn't matter very much in Germany. For me there was 
> spiritual vacuum where Nazism could enter.
> I also think that you don't show enough criticism towards 
> theosophical fancies on the Masters since about 1895 and especially 
> since 1907 (Besant's time). I am assured that there is a 
> of Dark Brothers, who tries to mislead truth seekers. After HPB, I 
> believe, Dark Brothers gave some deceiving, and the consequences 
> that the main direction of the TS went astray from the teaching of 
> self-realization to worshipping outer authorities and imaging 
> initiations. The same happened also in the US in the TS Pasadena 
> (which organization, of course, had different names then) and in 
> Temple of the People (which also waited for an avatar). I don't 
> either believe in later Master messages given by Guy Ballard, Mark 
> Prophet and others, who you seem to believe in strongly. My 
> is that those teachers, who continue the old CWL direction by 
> about initiations and personal Masters who come to us as we call 
> them, have not learned the essential lesson that Krishnamurti gave: 
> know thyself.
> HPB said that the world teacher will come after year 1975. So I 
> believe that Krishnamurti was him. He gave important lessons, but 
> much before 1975. There is a general belief in theosophical circles 
> in Finland where I live that the world teacher is a collective, the 
> new age, or the dalai-lama.
> I know German and I think that nobody should read Heidegger in 
> languages but in German.
> Just my ideas. I shall answer your Krishnamurti criticism when I 
> enough time.
> Sampsa
> --- In, "Govert Schuller" <schuller@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Nigel,
> > 
> > Thanks for your understanding and encouragement.
> > 
> > The report/article onphenomenology I referred to is titled:
> > 
> > "The Relevance of Phenomenology for Theosophy" and can be found 
> > 
> >
> > 
> > The section on Heidegger might be a little dense as is the 
> matter itself. One day I hope to explain better the relevance of 
> Heidegger. I did post an article 
> > "Heideggerian Thinking and the Eastern Mind" by Rolf von 
> Eckartsberg and Ronald S. Valle, from: Metaphors of Consciousness. 
> >
> > 
> > This article might get somewhere in wetting Theosophists' 
> for the 'sage of the black forest.' 
> > 
> > Maybe also more on Popper one day. A title for that might 
be: "The 
> Refutation of the Refutation of the Conjecture Called Theosophy." 
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > Govert

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