Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
Jan 04, 2009 01:13 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Dear friends and Zaitzev
My views are:
"No, there is more "fat lie" in one your message than in an entire
"So it's a LIE that Bailey never taught about "God within themselves".
We surely needn't liars among the defenders of HPB and generally in
the T.S. Such people make more damage than thousands of Coulombs."
M. Sufilight answers:
Please calm down Zaitzev. - Try to read my words again! - There are availbale in this e-mail a bit later. I used the word "almost". AAB's emphasis was on a God apart from the individual because most people read her books like that.
Yes, Alice A. Bailey mentioned the doctrine about "God within", but ONLY about five times all in all - in her many voluminous writings. In fact she most of the time emphasized a God APART from the individual, and emphasized that Christ would come in the flesh and walk about among men! - And she even emphasized reading The New Testament with the consequence such an emphasis are promoting. And used the word "God" in a quite misleading manner to an exended of theosophical disgrace as far as I am concerned.
But these are just my views, others might find another doctrine hidden in her books.
Here are my words from the previous e-mail again:
"I hold that to be a fat lie in the sense, that Alice A. Bailey and almost all of her followers never teach about "God within themselves", Atma=Brahman!
H. P. Blavatsky said:
LET NO THEOSOPHIST, IF HE WOULD HOLD TO DIVINE, NOT HUMAN TRUTH, SAY THAT THIS "GOD IN SECRET" LISTENS TO, OR IS distinct from, EITHER FINITE MAN OR THE FINITE ESSENCES - FOR ALL ARE ONE.
Such prayers in the Alice A. Bailey groups are doing a great job in killing self-reliance and self-confidence. H. P. Blavatsky about Prayer in the dualistic sense: "It kills in man self-reliance; ""
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There are much more about Alice A. Bailey's God apart from the individual!
In the Patanjali Yoga Sutras she, Alice A. Bailey even make Jesus a God in the Flesh and adds another Christian dogma to the theosophical teachings. A master promoting a Catholic dogma. Where are the limits?
"There are three books which should be in the hands of every student, the Bhagavad Gita, the New Testament, and the Yoga Sutras, for in these three is contained a complete picture of the soul and its unfoldment."
"In the New Testament there is depicted for us the life of a Son of God in full manifestation, wherein, freed from every veil, the soul in its true nature walks the earth. It becomes apparent to us, as we study the life of Christ, what it means to develop the powers of the soul, to attain liberation, and become, in full glory, a God walking on earth."
(Patanjali Yoga Sutras, p.x-xi, Introductory Remarks - http://nimrodgroup.org/AAB/The%20Yoga%20Sutras%20of%20Patanjali.pdf )
Sure, full "glory" and what not.
And not a word about the Quran of Islam.
H.P. Blavatsky wrote in December 1887:
In CARNALIZING the central figure of the New Testament, in imposing
the dogma of the Word MADE FLESH, the Latin Church sets up a doctrine
diametrically opposed to the tenets of Buddhist and Hindu Esotericism
and the Greek Gnosis. Therefore, there will always be an abyss
between the East and the West, as long as neither of these dogmas
yields. Almost 2,000 years of bloody persecution against HERETICS
and INFIDELS by the Church looms before the Oriental nations to
prevent them from renouncing their philosophic doctrines in favor of
that which degrades the CHRISTOS principle. [372-373]
...the Christians, by localizing and isolating this great Principle,
and denying it to any other man except Jesus of Nazareth (or the
Nazar), CARNALIZE the Christos of the Gnostics; that alone prevents
them having any point in common with the disciples of the Archaic
Wisdom. . . . 
. . . true Theosophists will never accept ...a Christ made
Flesh. . . .
(Blavatsky Collected Writings - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v8/y1887_048.htm)
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Alice A. Bailey wrote:
"I would ask all of you, therefore, to have an open mind, to redouble your
belief in the fact of the spiritual realities, to have faith in the will-to-good
of the divine purpose and to love your fellowmen; and - upon the plane of
practical affairs and living - to do two things: Carry forward your due share in
this physical plane war, aiding the armed forces of the United Nations to wage
war to a successful finish, knowing that there are spiritual realities for which
it is worth dying if need be, and that war on evil can be waged without hate and
with right purpose; secondly, plan at the same time for those practical measures
which, after the war is over, will aid the period of reconstruction and help
rehabilitate humanity, and lead to a saner, better, truer way of living."
Alice A. Bailey also wrote:
"There is, however, a plus, a something else, which will swing the tide of
victory on to the side of the United Nations. This will come through the effort
to understand and express the quality of spiritual Will; it will be the
manifestation of that energy which makes the first divine aspect of Will or
Power what it is; it is that which is the distinctive feature of the Shamballa
force; it is that peculiar and distinctive quality of divinity which is so
different that even Christ Himself was unable to express it with facility and
(The Externalization of the Hierarchy by Alice A. Bailey, page 343)
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It is the development of "Will" without a heart of compassion, which is the main part of Jesuit training. They so to speak break in the "Jesus pinciple".
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>>> From Jesus to Christ, by R. Steiner - about the Jesuits <<<
"This will be seen when we now enquire into the esoteric part of Jesuitism, its various spiritual exercises. How were these exercises arranged? The essential point is that every single pupil of Jesuitism goes through exercises which lead into the occult life, but into the Will, and within the field of occultism they hold the Will in severe discipline; they 'break it in', one might say. And the significant fact is that this discipline of the Will does not arise merely from the surface of life, but from something deeper, because the pupil has been led into the occult, in the way just indicated."
"These ideas, gathered up into a single resolution of the Will, can certainly give the Will immense strength. But we must ask: what is it in the soul-life that has been directly attacked? The element that ought to be regarded as intrinsically holy, the element that ought not to be touched - the Will-element. In so far as this Jesuit training lays hold of the Will-element, while the Jesus-idea seizes the Will-element completely, in so far is the concept of the dominion of Jesus exaggerated in the most dangerous way - dangerous because through it the Will becomes so strong that it can work directly upon the Will of another. For where the Will becomes so strong through Imaginations, which means by occult methods, it acquires the capacity for working directly upon the Will of another, and hence also along all the other occult paths to which such a Will can have recourse."
(Rudolf Steiner: http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA/GA0131/19111005p02.html )
Compare this with Alice A. Baileys "World-GodWill and Triangles" working within the United Nations for one world religion and one world government! - While they await the arraival of Christ in the flesh - of course as a "God walking among men".
But we never hear Alice A. Bailey write anything about the sorcery performed within the Vaticans ranks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Konstantin Zaitzev
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:45 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
--- In email@example.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> Was he?
> Have you meet him?
I conclude that by comparing the books written by Bailey herself with
those written by the Tibetan, whoever he was.
> The Bailey D.K., who claims that Jesus was born in Bethlehem
> I hold that to be a fat lie in the sense, that Alice A. Bailey and
almost all of her followers never teach about "God within themselves",
No, there is more "fat lie" in one your message than in an entire
"Devotion to Ishvara may be briefly stated to constitute the attitude
of the lower threefold self to the service of the ego, the inner
ruler, the God or Christ within ("Light of the soul").
So it's a LIE that Bailey never taught about "God within themselves".
We surely needn't liars among the defenders of HPB and generally in
the T.S. Such people make more damage than thousands of Coulombs.
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