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Re: Theos-World Religious cloning

Dec 21, 2008 11:45 PM
by Morten Nymann Olesen

Dear firends and Cass

My views are:

I will ask: Who cares about evil persons and their activties?

But the fact, that somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1 billion persons are being taught differently is good to know about.
And to know about the grave problems the Christian Church are promoting for all on this planet.

Just try to read "The Key to Theosophy" a lot of the problems with Christianity H. P. Blavatsky mentions in it are still problems today.
The situation have even gone more mad in certain respects. Now since 2001, the Church doctrine is accepted more than ever. One reason is the Christian generated Middle Eastern unslaught and the VERY narrowminded view upon what terrorism really is and aught to be defined as. And as Blavatsky says, the Christian Church leads people into corruption, greed an immoral behaviour. And we can see it all around. There are more corruption in the western and christian countries than in the Eastern non-Christian ones. Yet, the western Massmedias are often not talking about this grave issue. It is not selling viewers and a great number of their corrupt owners like money more than moral behaviour.

The sooner people understand the great atrocities this Christian religion and especially its leaders poses to humanity the better.
Islam is only an small ant compared to an gigant elephant when we talk about these issues today. These bad phallic schemers would like it very much to be the opposite way around. They use the massmedias and politicians to cover it all up. - And a whole lot of theosophists who find themselves wise, but who are only beginners, are falling for this view. They think that Christianity and its leaders are sweet and innocent. But, it is quite on the contrary the opposite.

Remember, that the Jesuits (ie. false Christians) and their friends are in direct opposition to the theosophical teachings!
Blavatsky often stated this view. Some (not all) beginners, christian-theosophists, CWL-theosophists would like to delete the view.
It would be fatal if they had luck with their goals. 

And, yes I also find that the dogmatic Church is decaying from within due to Karma.
But Karma operates slowly. Why not help it along?

It is not the talking, but the doing which changes the world for the better.

M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:25 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Religious cloning

  Who cares what the Catholic Church says - I don't regard them as moral educators or a moral authority.

  If nature can make use of the physical form for the incarnation of a soul - as is the case in IVF, I fail to see how a clone would be any different from one born naturally.


  From: Morten Nymann Olesen <>
  Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2008 8:03:23 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Religious cloning

  To all readers and Cass

  My views are:

  The e-mail was for your consideration. If you do not get anything new from it, that is fine for you.
  Others might get something else. And that is and was one of the points with the e-mail.

  *** Some questions could be considered ***
  1. Would it be allright to destroy a clone, because the Pope deems it unclean and not from God?

  The difference between this view and that of Thomas Aquina is clear it seems, yet also very small when reading it carefully:

  Here is the passage mentioned by Blavatsky:
  "Reply to Objection 2: All men alike, both guilty and innocent, die the death of nature: which death of nature is inflicted by the power of God on account of original sin, according to 1 Kgs. 2:6: "The Lord killeth and maketh alive." Consequently, by the command of God, death can be inflicted on any man, guilty or innocent, without any injustice whatever. In like manner adultery is intercourse with another's wife; who is allotted to him by the law emanating from God. Consequently intercourse with any woman, by the command of God, is neither adultery nor fornication. The same applies to theft, which is the taking of another's property. For whatever is taken by the command of God, to Whom all things belong, is not taken against the will of its owner, whereas it is in this that theft consists. Nor is it only in human things, that whatever is commanded by God is right; but also in natural things, whatever is done by God, is, in some way, natural, as stated
  in the FP, Question [105], Article [6], ad 1."
  http://www.stjamesc summa/FS/ FS094.html

  Take for instance the following as a part of the respect 

  2. If Christian's aught to regard Clones like the Pope appearntly does, how are they regarding cloned food or just hybrid plants? As unclean? 

  3. And would they be able to justifiy the idea, that, that various existing races somehow are clones from the past and no real humans? Should the Jews again be afraid to be discovered as being clones?

  The questions are important to ask especially because of the present Popes childhood in HitlerJugend, and because he was ordained by the Nazi Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber (http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Michael_von_ Faulhaber ). Faulhaber was one of the most important hands behind the Reichskonkordat from 1933, which ruled all other religious faiths out in Hitlers Germany except the Christian one. It is said to be still valid today, since it has never been changed. And the Pope has a clear officially stated goal - acrusade - towards having the Christian faith written on the EU constitution as the cultural heritage, which EU citizens are doomed to build Âtheir lives on. I would say: Despotism at its best.

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro 
  Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:35 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Religious cloning

  What point are you making?

  ____________ _________ _________ __
  From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro
  Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2008 7:12:36 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Religious cloning

  Dear friends

  My views are:

  I posted the following e-mail here at Theos-talk, April 18th 2005.
  (One day before the present Pope Ratzinger was secretly elected).
  http://www.theos- archives/ 200504/tt01115. html

  One link in the above E-mail was this one:

  Ratzinger seems to be an anti-democrat
  http://www.ctaww. org/articles/ williams_ vicepopewieldswi deinfluence. htm
  His views on cloning:
  "Man is capable of producing another man in the laboratory who therefore is no longer a gift from God or of nature. ... Just as he can be fabricated, he can be destroyed," Ratzinger said."


  The Pied Piper of Hamelin
  http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ The_Pied_ Piper_of_ Hamelin

  Merry Christmas to all the poor and poor in spirit on the Planet.

  M. Sufilight

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