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Re: Theos-World Re: Anand, What do you think about Masters at Adyar?????

Oct 28, 2008 02:08 PM
by Raquel Rodríguez

In Theos Talk Anand writes:
<<<"C.W. Leadbeater was reliable clairvoyant, most of the times..">>> 
Dear Anand
Reading this posting of you, this sentence, called my attention especially and I would appreciate if you could explain me, what do you exactly mean by " reliable clairvoyant, MOST OF THE TIMES..."?, as the way I understand it is: 
Clairvoyant etymologically comes from the Latin Clarus-Clear and Videns-One who sees. Something like Clear seeing is what it means.
So, myself I am not a clairvoyant, in did I have 1,75 diopters on my right eye and 0, 50 on the left of astigmatism, and this kind of vision I have I HAVE ALL THE TIME. It never happens to me that SOMETIMES I see better or sometimes worst. When I look through my physical eyes I always perceive my surroundings in the same way
Someone with no diopters on his eyes I can imagine that will always see with no diopters.
If this is happening in the physical plane I can imagine it should be the same for the astral. If you can see clear on the astral is because an organ of the mind that migth have been dormant has been awake and get in to function. So once your astral vision organ is functioning, it should just function, like the physical eyes.
But Leadbeater was sometimes clairvoyant, sometimes not, or so to say, sometimes he had clear vision sometimes not. 
What kind of explanation do you see for that? I am sure you find one.
Best Regards

--- El jue, 23/10/08, Anand <> escribió:

De: Anand <>
Asunto: Theos-World Re: Anand, What do you think about Masters at Adyar?????
Fecha: jueves, 23 octubre, 2008 11:52

C.W. Leadbeater was reliable clairvoyant, most of the times.. So he
knew if the real Master visited him or just the form created by
somebody else. Suppose Blavatsky had created Master's form, or visited
herself in Master's form, C. W. Leadbeater would have known it. But as
C. W. Leadbeater considered Master's visits genuine, they are perhaps
not "forged visits", like some others might have experienced.
In Ramayana, an Indian classic, Ravana (the devil), visits Sita
(Rama's wife), in the form of a monk and then kidnaps her. This shows
that it is not impossible to appear to others in different form.
Anand Gholap

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro, "danielhcaldwell"
<danielhcaldwell@ ...> wrote:
> Anand,
> In your recent reply, you do NOT actually respond to what I wrote 
> about C.W. Leadbeater's testimony in which he says he encountered the 
> Master K.H. and also Djwal Kul at Adyar in the mid-1880s.
> Therefore I repeat below the gist of what I said in my posting 
> First consider Leadbeater's account:
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> ...When Colonel Olcott left us [in 1885] on his tour Adyar
> [headquarters of the Theosophical Society near Madras, India]
> remained empty....
> One day, however, when the Master Kuthumi honoured me with a visit,
> He asked me whether I had ever attempted a certain kind of meditation
> connected with the development of the mysterious power called
> kundalini... .He recommended me to make a few efforts along certain
> lines....
> Naturally I took the hint, and worked away steadily, and I think I
> may say intensely, at that particular kind of meditation day after
> day....
> ....It will be understood that I lived there in the octagonal room by
> the river-side alone for many long hours every day, and practically
> secure from any interruption except at the meal-times which I have
> mentioned. Several Masters were so gracious as to visit me during
> that period and to offer me various hints; but it was the Master
> Djwal Kul who gave most of the necessary instruction. ...
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> Excerpted from "How Theosophy Came to Me by C.W. Leadbeater".
> Now if the reader will remember in the last week I've quoted probably
> more than a dozen accounts of OTHER individuals meeting the Masters:
> Olcott, Damodar, Brown, Pillai, Ramaswamier, and others. And yet for
> reasons best known to Anand, he wrote the following:
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> ?I think it was possible for HPB to create a form of the Master, show
> that form to people, and MAKING THEM FEEL that Master had visited
> them or met them. This I am giving you as one possibility behind
> seeing Master physically or astrally.
> Just as Blavatsky could materialize letters, perhaps she could also
> create a form of the Master, GIVING THE IMPRESSION to concerned
> individuals that Master visited them and gave letter.
> ?I think, TRUE RESEARCHERS?will consider seriously [this possibility]
> before concluding that REAL Master visited those individuals. ...
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> caps added.
> So let us consider Anand's explanation: HPB was simply up to 
> her "devious" ways -- fooling Mr. Leadbeater, MAKING HIM FEEL that 
> the Master KH had visited him. She simply created the form of the 
> Master --- and gave Mr. Leadbeater THE IMPRESSION that the Master had 
> visited him.
> Remember that in the Lahore incident that I previouly cited the
> Master KH came three times to see Colonel Olcott but that testimony 
> didn't stop Anand from bringing up this possibility and 
> encouraging "true researchers" to consider this possibility of HPB 
> creating the whole thing using her psychic powers.
> So if the 1883 Lahore incident of meeting the Masters was "created" 
> by HPB long distance, why not say that HPB also created the 
> appearances of the Masters to Leadbeater at Adyar????
> Daniel



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