Re: [Mind and Brain] An essay on (the hard problem of) consciousness (part 1)
Oct 19, 2008 05:28 PM
by Leon Maurer
On Oct 19, 2008, at 10/19/0812:44 AM, email@example.com wrote:
"The problem with this explanation is that EM fields emanating from
the human body have been searched for extensively at MIT and most
likely elsewhere and none have been found. I would suggest Leon that
the mathematics behind your concepts may be correct but that the
information you talk of is more likely carried by Sheldrakes
morphogenetic fields, or something of that sort like Iskakov's
microlepton BEC, which are beyond experimental detection, presuming
that they exist."
Thanks for your observations related to currently unproved advanced
theories of evolution and physics.
However, the EM fields I speak of that radiate beyond the limits of
the body, are the primary higher order resonant "spiritual-mental-
astral" fields and their fractal involved harmonics in hyperspace
(such as those postulated in string theories). See: illustrations**
Although I see all such fields as being smooth and symmetric BEC
analogs extending everywhere in metric space -- they would include
the highest order "morphogenetic fields" of Sheldrake, as well as the
the lowest order subquantum fields carrying the supposed
(mathematically artifactual) "microlepton" particles of Iskakov (as
well as the strong and electro-weak forces of quantum physics). The
lowest order of all metric radiant energy fields would be the EM
fields on the quantum and classical physical/material level that we
can measure as "brain waves". (These waves would not be energetic
enough to extend much further than a short distance from the skull.)
Naturally, being at higher frequency/energy phase orders than
ordinary (light-speed-limited) metric space and matter -- no such
hyperspace fields could ever be detected by any means limited to the
physical/material aspects of metric space.
However, the fact that they can be detected (through the
informational images they carry) by our individual personal
consciousness (that is beyond all metric space and time) -- is a
repeatable subjective observational proof of their objective existence.
The further facts that everyone can experientially and (reportedly)
detect the visual and other sensory image information carried in the
higher order mind and memory fields, and that the nature of such
common experience is predictable and locatable (with reference to
each controlled sensory input) -- would appear to be sufficient to
make such repeatable experimental proof of their existence, a
scientific fact... And, the hypothesized holographic existence of
such fields -- located everywhere in metric space (analogous to the
fractal involved primal fields of cosmogenesis) with consciousness
(awareness-will) being the fundamental quality of absolute zero-point
space -- a valid scientific theory**. Q.E.D.
** http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13 "Panpsychism is reality"
Note: the illustration links in this article will not be functional
(Due to AOL closing down its ISP services.)
If needed as reference, they should be downloaded before then. thanks
From: Leon Maurer <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Mind and Brain] An essay on (the hard problem of)
consciousness (part 1)
On Oct 15, 2008, at 10/15/086:27 AM, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
The physical boundary = the skin. If you consider the whole person
to be the self then the self is bounded by the skin.
The commonly accepted assumption in the scientific study of
consciousness is that the brain is where experience and experience of
experience occurs. It is an assumption considered to be a sufficient
first approximation where the onus is on those who disagree with it
to establish their case scientifically.
Robert Karl Stonjek
Here's one approach that might scientifically establish the case that
the self is NOT bounded by the skin.
The falsity of the assumption "that the brain is where experience and
experience of experience occurs" -- can be proven by the falsity of
the original assumption that "the whole person is the self" and,
therefore, "the self is bounded by the skin'.
If the self visually experiences the the entire spherical field of
the universe from a *unique* geometric point in the center of the
head -- then that experience must extend to the furthest
circumference of the spherical energy field surrounding that central
point, which carries on its surface the holographic image at each
point of infinite radii seen from that POV.
Since, such a central POV is different for each conscious being --
then, the extent of the visual image particular to that "self"--
(which would be carried as modulated wave interference patterns of
light information on a radiant field originating from each such point
source) -- would be part of the "body" of the individual viewer.
Thus, since there can be no discontinuity between the image seen and
the point source of its radiant carrier field, the "self" would not
be bounded by the skin, but by the furthest reach of the harmonic
radiant image-carrying field surrounding the brain-body.
Since the body is entirely transparent to all such radiant fields --
this would apply if the image is carried on the EM field of the brain
(which can extend beyond the material body) or on a harmonic,
resonantly transformed higher frequency phase order field in
hyperspace (such as scientifically hypothesized by string and quantum
However, the statement "that the brain is where experience and
experience of experience occurs" can be only partially true -- since
it refers to the experience of visual and audio consciousness at a
particular point in the brain -- but has no validity when referred to
the experience of taste, smell and touch at many different remote
points throughout the body... Although, it could also be entirely
true if it is assumed that the brain-body along with all its
interconnecting radiant fields and their harmonics, are one
But, I think you were only referring to the neural networks of the
cortical areas of the LH-RH cerebellum linked through the medulla,
cerebellum, corpus callosum, etc. If so, then the statement is
substantially false, as I've shown.
In any event, the visual and audio subjective experience would have
to be limited, geometrically, to a particular central point in the
brain-body... In order for us to be able to analog-compute and
exactly/instantaneously coordinate the position of the body (and all
its appendages) within the holographically experienced, 3-dimensional
audio-visual field of consciousness (extending, spherically, as far
out beyond the body as we can hear or see). This, of course, would
also be a confirmation that there are no disconnections between
anything in the universe, and that all consciousness (awareness,
will, etc) are essential *subjective* functions of the ubiquitous
originating zero-points of absolute space -- that are particularized
(individualized) potentially, when surrounded by a singular material
form, or phenomenally, when surrounded by a compound organic body of
one degree of sentient complexity or another.
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