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Re: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."

Oct 14, 2008 09:30 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen

Dear Alex

My views are:

I find your intentions to be good, but not quite compassionate. 
And the view you are offering are not really quite theosophical teaching.

Try  the below from H. P: Blavatsky.We often divide members at Theos-talk into thin-skinned or thick-skinnedog various degree's.

Blavatsky said:
"He who objects to having his views controverted and criticized must not write for Lucifer. " ..."Moreover, we have given good proofs of our impartiality. We published articles and letters criticizing not alone our personal theosophical and philosophical views, but discussing on subjects directly concerned with our personal honour and reputation; reviving the infamous calumnies in which not simple doubts, but distinctly formulated charges of dishonesty were cast into our teeth and our private character was torn to shreds (Vide "A Glance at Theosophy from the Outside", Lucifer for October, 1888). And if the editor will never shrink from what she considers her duty to her readers, and that she is prepared to throw every possible light upon mooted questions in order that truth should shine bright and hideous lies and superstitions be shown under their true colours - why should our contributors prove themselves so thin-skinned?"
( IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY? by H. P. Blavatsky - Lucifer Magazine 1888)

So I will have to disagree a bit with your ideas. I would rather recommend, that the members at this place learn to control their emotions. Individuals and ideas are all part of our life. Everything is ParaBrahman - as neti, neti - (ie. not this, not that).
I do also know, that some persons are not fond of all what H. P. Blavatsky did and said.
If you find H. P. Blavatsky's above views irrelevant to use at Theos-talk I would like to know why.
Do you have any ideas?
May I ask:If you only help your friends and only talk to your friends, what good do you do?M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: alex 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:50 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."

  Hi Morten good to see you here, and thank you for those Sufi stories.

  I agree with you and I think that's what I've done, I confronted him.
  My English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to worry about 
  me, things don't really bother me anymore. 
  I'm surprised no one has noticed but there is a dugpa in the center 
  of our living room who makes fun of and opposes everything we live 
  and breathe for (or at least try to). This is not just about me and 
  those who have passively settled for this circus here. Sure, I can 
  clear my inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk', read only from 
  some and go do something more useful. But imagine what a newbie to 
  theosophy would think of the people in here letting this person run 
  wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring 

  I will show you a recent example of what goes on: 
  (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)

  "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether they're 
  aware of it or not.
  the occult is from the pit of Hell.
  Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who led & leads 
  many other lost souls to their damnation." 

  If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a 
  distracting cancer from the body.


  --- In, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
  theosophy@...> wrote:
  > Dear Alex
  > I am not the moderator on this list.
  > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you not 
  agree on that Chuck?
  > Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of Chuck's e-
  mails are in fact quite theosophical in content. If you can - not - 
  find any of his e-mails to be theosophical in content, please let me 
  > The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow 
  impatient, because you completely disagree with all Chuck writes in 
  his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete them.
  > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails I 
  thought to be - no good, I would problably be very busy. :-) 
  Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below. 
  > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his behaviour 
  instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do you not 
  > Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.......
  > I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
  > - - - - - - -
  > 1.
  > Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great conqueror 
  Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
  > One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla and said:
  > 'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop their 
  evil work?'
  > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the criminals,' 
  said Nasrudin.
  > 'You mean the slanderers?'
  > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the Mulla 
  reminded him
  > - - - - - - -
  > 2.
  > Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but did not 
  seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local wise 
  man the stupidest questions, always based upon random assumptions
  > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He ran to 
  the wise man 5 house.
  > 'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
  > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
  > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he 
  said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been ap-pointed 
  the magistrate in the next town.'
  > Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged to the 
  court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at him:
  > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
  > The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you talk to 
  me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
  > 'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best 
  authority that you are my donkey.'
  > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit such a 
  > Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you like he 
  said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather than 
  that of a donkey.'
  > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when one is 
  ready for it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as and 
  when they want it. The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to 
  impart knowledge in the right way, at the right time, to the people 
  who are able to receive it:
  > - - - - - - -
  > M. Sufilight
  > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: alex 
  > To: 
  > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
  > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a 
  knowledge of theosophy."
  > Is this funny for everyone here? 
  > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this and even 
  > allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I don't 
  > about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your 
  > from my inbox.
  > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing around 
  > spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on the 
  > group and leave. 
  > The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think we 
  > to see this nonsense anymore.
  > Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things 
  > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon the 
  > of sorcery and black magic? 
  > Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, peoples 
  > participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and 
  > promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas! 
  > What do you think? :)
  > Alex
  > --- In, Drpsionic@ wrote:
  > >
  > > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of those 
  > ideas of 
  > > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on finding 
  > really is 
  > > going on.
  > > 
  > > Chuck the heretic
  > > 
  > > 
  > > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight 
  > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called moral 
  > > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity, 
  > we
  > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
  > > 
  > > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
  > > _http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._ 
  > > ( 
  > > 
  > > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
  > > 
  > > Are there certain teachings that constitute this "theosophy"? 
  > if
  > > so, what are these teachings?
  > > 
  > > And where do we find these teachings?
  > > 
  > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in turn we
  > > can "preach and popularise" them?
  > > 
  > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials of the
  > > TS? Any member of the TS?
  > > 
  > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical 
  > > or association.
  > > 
  > > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
  > > 
  > > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
  > > 
  > > -------------------------------------------------
  > > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
  > > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give become
  > > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is absolutely
  > > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
  > > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct inferences
  > > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence furnished by 
  > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine a synonym of
  > > truth....
  > > -------------------------------------------------
  > > 
  > > This is quite a CLAIM.
  > > 
  > > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
  > > 
  > > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and where 
  > we
  > > find an exposition of this teaching?
  > > 
  > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P. 
  > > 
  > > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie Besant's "Man,
  > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant 
  > > 
  > > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? a book by Elizabeth 
  > > Prophet?
  > > 
  > > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what 
  exactly do
  > > we popularise?
  > > 
  > > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
  > > 
  > > What if I start popularising the teaching of reincarnation that
  > > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be reborn as
  > > animals?
  > > 
  > > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
  > > 
  > > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not transmitting the
  > > 
  > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL, TRUE "doctrine" is?
  > > 
  > > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is all 
  > about,
  > > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] discover 
  > the
  > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high regard?
  > > 
  > > Daniel
  > > _http://hpb.cc_ ( 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
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  > > 
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  > >
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