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Re: Theos-World Victorian?

Oct 05, 2008 01:53 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen

My views are:

I say that as far as I know the Himalayan Lodge operates through another method than electing people through ordinary democratic processes.

Not everyone are enrolled, and not everyone should be.
Remember how strict A. P. Sinnett was when W. C. Leadbeater applied to be a member.

"How I Joined

The Secretary was Mr. Kirby (not the Mr. Kirby so well known in later years in connection with the Society's work in Italy, but the Kirby of Kirby and Spence's Entomology, a book which I had studied in my boyhood). I promptly wrote to him, pointing out that I wished to join, but had not the pleasure of the acquaintance of any of the existing members; what was I to do? Again I had to wait a long time for an answer, for Mr. Kirby also was abroad-I think climbing peaks in Switzerland; but at length he replied austerely that the rules were inviolable, and that no exception could be made, but suggested as an afterthought that I might call upon either Mr. A. P. Sinnett or Mr. G. B. Finch.

I adopted this suggestion and wrote a note to Mr. Sinnett, hardly daring, however, to hope that he could really be the author of the book which had impressed me so deeply. His reply soon set that point at rest, and invited me to come up to London to see him. He had only recently returned from India, and was then staying temporarily at the house of his mother-in-law, Mrs. Edensor, in Royal Crescent, Notting Hill. He received me with the greatest kindness and cordiality, and of course we talked much of his books (for by that time I had found Esoteric Buddhism also) and the wonderful revelation which they contained. The more I heard of Theosophy the more anxious I became to learn all that could be told to me; but when I spoke of joining the Theosophical Society Mr. Sinnett became very grave and opined that that would hardly do, seeing that I was a clergyman!

I wondered rather why the Society should discriminate against members of the cloth; and at last I ventured timidly to put the question. Mr. Sinnett replied:

"Well, you see, we are in the habit of discussing every subject and every belief from the beginning, without any preconceptions whatever; and I am afraid that at our meetings you would be likely to hear a great deal that would shock you profoundly."

M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erica Letzerich 
  Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:31 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Victorian?


  Exactly because the T.S. is a democratical organization that they were able to do it. In fact democracy is an enemy of itself! Some mentioned here the structure of the T.S. is victorian. Is it victorian members to chose their General Secretaries and their International President? Is it victorian the International Council be basic composed by General Secretaries who were elected by members? The International President be elected by the members? I can't see anything victorian on it. In fact I see a very fair structure.


  --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Anand <> wrote:
  From: Anand <>
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Anand Gholap formula for General Council composition
  Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 8:05 PM

  Theosophical Society gives much freedom to National Sections. If John

  Algeo, Kim Dieu wanted to do something good, they could have done in

  their sections. Nobody was stopping them.

  But facts show that their record of work in their own sections is not

  impressive, membership there is declined. TS there is on oxygen. Now

  after failing in their own sections, they want to control the TS and

  fail international TS also. 

  Protests, rallies, strikes, fasts, these are some more ways to show

  members' disagreement with unethical disenfranchisement proposal

  brought by those four individuals.


  Anand Gholap 

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogro, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:


  > As they say, the cat is out of the bag. The whole move, it appears

  to me,

  > has been in the works behind the scenes for quite some time. It does

  > not take much intelligence to see thru what is going on.


  > TS was organized in the most autonomous manner and I recall there was a

  > statement somewhere that the role of the international is to step in and

  > resolve any disputes between sections.


  > I would like to know who came up with the idea to "run" it like a

  > corporation or a business to direct and control what goes on at various

  > levels comes from. The real strength of TS comes from the fact that

  no one

  > tells anyone what they should or could do so long as the activities

  are to

  > further the interests of three objects without violating the


  > rules.


  > It is time to proponents to step up to the plate publicly and

  convince us

  > that disenfranchisement and radical changes are for the good of



  > mkr



  > On 10/3/08, Anand <AnandGholap@ ...> wrote:

  > >

  > > Efforts are being made by few individuals in present General Council

  > > to hijack the TS. They also want to remove members' right to vote in

  > > the election of President. I am totally against such a change. I want

  > > members to elect the President directly as they did earlier.

  > > Right now the present constitution is such that it might enable some

  > > officers in the GC to unethically remove voting rights of people. I

  > > want to ensure that such attempts don't succeed now and in future.

  > > Amendments in the General Council were suggested by me for two


  > > 1) To make constitution just. Each country should have representatives

  > > only in proportion to the membership that country has. In GC if one

  > > vote is given to a country with 13000 members and one vote is given to

  > > country with 90 members, then that is unjust. If we are to preach

  > > justice in the world, our own TS constitution must be just. That is

  > > why voting rights to each country according to proportion of members

  > > in that country are necessary.

  > > 2) Another reason why I suggested proportional representation is this

  > > new system will stop any future attempts by few individuals to remove

  > > voting rights of people and hijack the TS. You can see that there are

  > > few General Secretaries elected by just a few hundred members. And

  > > these few General Secretaries venture to hijack TS because they are

  > > given too much rights as compared to membership they represent. So by

  > > proportional representation and by increasing the size of the General

  > > Council we want to ensure that such attempts by few officers to hijack

  > > TS won't succeed in future.

  > > Best

  > > Anand Gholap

  > >

  > > 

  > >



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