Re: [jcs-online] Re: One organism -- one consciousness
Jun 05, 2008 11:37 PM
by Leon Maurer
On May 28, 2008, at 5/28/088:17 AM, Alfredo Pereira Jr. wrote:
> Dear Jonathan:
> Great post as always, with great beginning and some theoretical
> progress IMHO: your clear acceptance of the idea "one organism-one
> However, the idea of a colony of cells, each one having global
> knowledge as Leibiniz' Monads, and acting coherently together like in
> a Hollywood movie, is too marvelous for my non-native words!
> Actually, the members of the GM orchestra played each one her part
> written by a less famous arranger (Joe Garland), and Fred and Ginger
> feet followed their brains, as well as Pelé's.
> I am sure you know all these facts very well, but you seem to be in
> the mood of poetry, favoring a "magic" explanation that makes things
> more enigmatic than they need to be.
> Returning to the nucleus of the problem, yes, there are sentient
> cells and they not share their sentience by means of action
> potentials (axonal communication). But they have other forms of
> communication, that combine several resources: synchronization of
> graded potentials, electric synapses, astroglial "hubs", nitric oxide
> diffusion and hormone (neuropeptide) signaling, among others.
> You still have show why cells cannot construct conscious Gestalts by
> means of these communication channels.
L.M: But, all those action potentials and communication channels, of
admittedly sentient cells, depend on serial processing -- which seems
to me to be a very cumbersome way to explain the gestalt self-
reflected or "I AM" consciousness -- that is simultaneous with the
multiple cellular perceptions (vide: the rods and cones of the
retinas). Also, these processes offer no mechanism for transmitting
or assembling the separate consciousness of those individual cells
into a unified individual awareness that is centered at a single
geometric point in the middle of the head -- which is the reference
point to control the relative position in 3-D objective space of the
body and its extremities (although, this gestalt image is actually
experienced as separate image points at each sentient cell on the
retinas). Also, there is no scientific or rational explanation
through the medium of such objective electrochemical processes, to
explain the cause and nature of subjective consciousness (awareness,
will, qualia, etc.).
In my view, which seems to agree with Jonathan's, all this could be
much more easily accounted for by some sort of parallel processing
through the medium of electrodynamic fields (to which the body is
totally transparent) -- coupled with the entangled zero-points of
consciousness that is the fundamental quality of the ubiquitous
Aether or primal space underlying all metric spacetime -- as well as
the generator of all fundamental particles and their composite forms
of matter-energy (including every sentient being).
Accordingly, the conscious gestalt, then, would not be constructed by
each cell... But, constructed by the center of self reflective or I
AM perceptive consciousness (located at the individual zero-point in
the center of the overall highest order hyperspace body field) that
is *entangled* with the head-centered focal point of vision --
apparently, located within the Pineal gland that also controls the
light sensitive emission of melatonin.
Since the zero-point spin momentum, ZPE, or spinergy (infinite
angular spin momentum of the ubiquitous aether), is the primal
energetic source of all forms of matter -- this source could also be
instrumental (through its infinite information carrying power) in
maintaining the ideal informational model and structural integrity of
all composite sentient beings. It seems evident, then, that all
fields starting with the ZPE fields, and extending to the highest
order spherical spacetime field, would have to be part of a
continuous series of fractal involutions. This would enable a
transition from the near infinite frequencies of energy at the ZPE
aether level to the near zero frequency-energy order of the overall
cosmic gravitational field. Thus establishing a holistic
relationship between all fields and forces within the total space of
the cosmos -- that step down through 4 phase order changes at the
third fractal involution of cosmogenesis (which is replicated
analogously around every zero-point singularity, located everywhere.
(See: symbolic illustrations at website below)
Thus, the entire body could be a holographic unity composed of all
these separate, but overlapping (coadunate but not consubstantial)
zero-point energy originated hyperspace fields -- that are linked,
informationally, to the body's electromagnetic fields, by phase
conjugate adaptive resonance... Which seems to be entirely
consistent with the DNA, located in every cell, that,
holographically, contains all the body's electrodynamic constructive
information... With the positional geometry of protein placement and
individual cellular structure determined through magnetic affinities
between the higher order DNA encoded hyperspace field containing the
overall internal and external 3-D body matrix image, holographically
coupled, both globally and locally, with the DNA's protein
constructive information replicated within each potential cell.
If such is the case, then the entire basis of the storage and
transmission of sentient information transmitted and processed by the
neurology, could very well be carried as modulated holographic wave
interference patterns by these coenergetic fields, and transmitted
and transformed through the ascending orders of frequency energy --
so as to be detected, reconstructed, and perceived at the body's
central zero-point of consciousness ... Which is entangled at the
Aether level (acting as a BEC) with the conscious zero-point centers
of each energy stimulated cellular sense organ. Thus, enabling us to
instantaneously locate the exact source of a pin prick on the surface
of the skin, taste on the tongue, smell in the nose, etc., or
determine, within the overall 3-D visual field, the exact positions
of our fingers when playing a musical instrument, or the exact
position of the point of an artist's brush, etc. -- without any
consciously experienced thought.
None of this appears to be "magical" or "marvelous" -- since it
conforms perfectly (i.e., analogously and correspondingly) with all
observable and relatively simple communication methods for the
encoding and transmission of analog visual and audio images through
electromagnetic radiation, and their detection and reproduction, by
resonance and other electrodynamic processes, into visually perceived
photons, phonons, and other images of sensory impressions, etc. For
example, the inner light we actually experience could be composed of
analogous photons on higher frequency order electrodynamic hyperspace
field on the next level above the material electromagnetic energy
field frequency spectrum.
Apparently, the super high frequency-energy levels of the hyperspace
fields of consciousness (higher mind and memory fields, etc.) would
enable them to carry and cyclically restore information for such
extended periods of time -- as to not only account for certain long
term lifetime memories, but also archetypal, as well as generic
evolutionary constructive and instinctive genus memories -- extending
as far back as the first single celled organism... All of these
fields being potentially conscious at their zero-points of origin
right from the first moment of the big bang (which, in this view,
could have occurred instantaneously, everywhere).... With the
infinite spinergy of every zero-point carrying the holographic
information of the entire cosmos and everything within it.
This relates to the fact, that the brain is a *real-time* processor
with a retentive memory at the brain wave field level that lasts no
longer than the gamma wave cycles of the combined neural
electromagnetic fields that carry the momentary information delivered
by the senses -- with the longer term working memory held for varying
lengths of time by the ver changing and malleable dendritic and
synaptic structures of the brain.
The coenergetic (phase conjugate adaptive resonant) nature of all
such overall thought related mind-memory fields, as well as their
holographic interconnection with the analogous fields surrounding
every cell an organ, would account for the ability to subconsciously
learn and retain, by experience and repetitive practice, all the
automatic functions of the body, such as riding a bicycle, playing a
musical instrument, driving a car, playing a sport or game, etc.
Apparently, our singular memory is also ubiquitous, along with all
non local zero-points of consciousness throughout the body. Thereby,
we can say, "One organism -- one consciousness" -- like, "There is
unity in diversity," and, "The universe (and its source) is both one
Thus, there is no need to explain either long term memories by
electrochemical processes, or consciousness as an epiphenomenon of
any brain neural correlative processes -- or, how both short and long
memories are accessed directly by the gestalt self-reflected
consciousness, during active thought processes, solely by means of
material brain processes...
Therefore, we can assume that the brain, itself, serves mainly as a
transformer, processor, channeler, controller etc. -- that transmits
willful response leading to physical actions and emotional reactions,
along with intentional thought changes, as well as sensory
information, etc.... All of which can occur simply because the
ubiquitous hyperspace mind-memory fields and the brain's
electromagnetic (brain wave) field are in intimate resonance -- which
is necessary to globally and locally transform and transmit through
the same system, and by means of the similar electrochemical
processes, both efferent (willful) and afferent (sensorial)
informational energies of consciousness.
It's obvious, then, that consciousness can act creatively (and with
willful intent) through the mind-memory, brain, body gestalt, and
send and receive information *directly* from and to the mind-memory
fields, that are linked to the senses and the muscles directly
through the neural-synaptic EM brain fields -- that, through their
zero points of origin, are globally entangled, with the singular I AM
In my view this new (unified field) paradigm of physics is the most
parsimonious way to account for the origin as well as all the
conditions and functions of consciousness -- while also, answering
all the hard problems of consciousness study, and explaining all
paranormal psychic phenomena -- in addition to resolving all the
mutual contradictions, paradoxes and anomalies of conventional
relativity and quantum physics.
Leon (a.k.a. Lenny) Maurer (NOT the moderator)
> Alfredo Pereira Jr.
> --- In email@example.com, Jonathan Edwards <jo.edwards@...>
>> I fear I have raised a hare about multiple personalities. Perhaps
>> I should reiterate that many cells each having a copy of 'my'
>> consciousness has nothing to do with multiple personalities. In my
>> model each of many cells receives an input which it interprets as
>> an account of a self in an environment. The account is generated by
>> the whole body. At any one time the account will only relate to one
>> self (in this sense). People with multiple or changing personalities
>> only have one account going on at one time (split brains following
>> corpus callosum section and two separate behaviour generating units
>> may be the exception).
>> Part of the problem seems to be the use of personal definitions of
>> consciousness. I agree with Hans here that we should stick to the
>> usual definition. For the lay person with English is a first
>> language, for biomedical scientists and at least for David Chalmers
>> among philosophers, consciousness is the state of having a sensorium
>> - having an input. It is often inferred from behaviour but absence of
>> behaviour is not absence of consciousness. The onlooker asks if the
>> man lying in the road, knocked off his motorbike, is conscious, and
>> the intensive care physician discusses the same question with the
>> ventilated patient's relatives.
>> All I am saying about cells is that several have an input which is
>> the sensorium we think of as 'mine', whoever 'me' is (the acting 'I'
>> is a different matter) at the time.
>> Alfredo asks how I explain that multiple sentient cells find an
>> agreement to control the body coherently. But this is easy Alfredo.
>> Think of 'In the Mood' by Glenn Miller, Astaire and Rogers dancing
>> at the Copa Cabana in 'Flying Down to Rio', a flock of scarlet
>> macaws patrolling the forest a school of fish or an army, the
>> football team, a troupe of acrobats, the ballet Russe, a political
>> party, a newspaper company. Co-ordinated action by colonies is
>> commonplace. Did Pelé's right foot kick for Pelé? No, it kicked for
>> Brasil. The advantage for the cells is that they do not even have a
>> sense of being a cell. The story they receive is of a human self.
>> They have been cheated out of their identity. Only my cells know who
>> they really are!!
>> Ralph is, I think, bothered by selves, memories or ideas persisting
>> while molecules change. Although lots of molecules change, not all
>> do. DNA base sequences do not generally change throughout the life
>> of a cell. Moreover, when damaged DNA can be repaired to restore a
>> sequence. Amyloid fibrils in disease last for decades, collagen II in
>> cartilage lasts for most of a lifetime. But for memory I do think
>> that Ralph has an important question. Kandel and others have
>> clarified memory mechanisms in terms of changing the number and
>> sensitivity of synapses but I think we need more detailed recording
>> systems at the 'fibre' level. By fibre level I mean the level of
>> structures like microtubules, collagen fibres etc where information
>> is held in stacks of tens, hundreds or thousands of molecules.
>> There does not need to be a code like DNA. All that is needed is
>> that information is held in the pattern of 'fibres'. Amyloid and
>> collagen II fibres provide examples that last more or less
>> indefinitely elsewhere.
>> I am not quite sure what Ralph means by a 'field only' model but I
>> would agree that we need several sorts of element.
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