Mar 13, 2008 06:51 PM
--- In email@example.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
> Thanks for this explanation Nigel, I don't really think that I
thought of it this way. I thought they and the Lunar Pitris provided
the means for our physical and mental bodies. Are we then the sum
total of human evolution. How for instance would it work for an
animal that was incarnating in the human form for the first time.
Where would its bodies come from, if you know what I mean?
You ask, "Are we then the sum total of human
This depends on what we mean by "human" and "sum
total." The evolution of the human being has more
rounds to complete before the perfect human stage
of mind or manas consciousness is reached. We are
told there are 7 rounds and we are only manifesting
in or "as" the fourth.
We often refer to human as MAN, meaning human mind,
however this is not always what is meant in, for
instance, the Secret Doctrine.
You also ask, "How for instance would it work for
an animal that was incarnating in the human form
for the first time. Where would its bodies come
from, if you know what I mean?"
This once again depends upon the stage of evolution
you are considering, in other words, which
manvantara and evolutionary cycle. Referring to my
previous statement, MAN can refer to Monad, and it
is the Monad which dresses itself in its appropriate
"attire", not the human or animal.
Perhaps the following quotes can help in providing
more insight into both of your queries:
The Monad is a drop out of the shoreless Ocean
beyond, or, to be correct, within the plane primeval
differentiation. It is divine in its higher and
human in its lower condition?the adjectives "higher"
and "lower" being used for lack of better words?and
a monad it remains at all times, save in the Nirvanic
state, under whatever conditions, or whatever external
forms. As the Logos reflects the Universe in the
Divine Mind, and the manifested Universe reflects
itself in each of its Monads, as Leibnitz put it,
repeating an Eastern teaching, so the MONAD has,
during the cycle of its incarnations, to reflect in
itself every root-form of each kingdom. Therefore,
the Kabalists say correctly that "MAN becomes a stone,
a plant, an animal, a man, a Spirit, and finally God.
Thus accomplishing his cycle or circuit and returning
to the point from which he had started as the heavenly
MAN." But by "Man" the divine Monad is meant, and
not the thinking Entity, much less his physical body.
The animals?the creeping beasts and those in the
waters that preceded man in this Fourth Round, as
well as those contemporary with the Third Race, and
again the mammalia that are posterior to the Third
and Fourth Races?ALL ARE EITHER DIRECTLY OR
INDIRECTLY THE MUTUAL AND CORRELATIVE PRODUCT
(PHYSICALLY) OF MAN. (My caps) It is correct to say
that the man of this Manvantara, i.e., during the
three preceding Rounds, has passed through all the
kingdoms of nature. That he was "a stone, a plant,
an animal." But (a) these stones, plants, and
animals were the prototypes, the filmy presentments
of those of the Fourth Round; and (b) even those at
the beginning of the Fourth Round were the astral
shadows of the present, as the Occultists express
it. And finally the forms and genera of neither
man, animal, nor plant were what they became later.
Thus the astral prototypes of the lower beings of
the animal kingdom of the Fourth Round, which
preceded (the chhayas of) Men, were the consolidated,
though still very ethereal sheaths of the still more
ethereal forms or models produced at the close of
the Third Round on Globe D.*
"Produced from the residue of the substance matter;
from dead bodies of men and (other extinct) animals
of the wheel before," or the previous Third
Round?as Stanza 24 tells us. Hence, while the
nondescript "animals" that preceded the astral man
at the beginning of this life-cycle on our Earth
were still, so to speak, THE PROGENY OF THE MAN OF
THE THIRD ROUND, THE MAMMALIANS OF THIS ROUND OWE
THEIR EXISTENCE, IN A GREAT MEASURE, TO MAN AGAIN.
Moreover, the "ancestor" of the present anthropoid
animal, the ape, is the direct production of the
yet mindless Man, who desecrated his human dignity
by putting himself physically on the level of an
animal. SD 2 p 186/7
"Man was the store-house, so to speak, of all the
seeds of life for this Round, vegetable and animal
As soon as man appeared, everything was complete. .
. . for everything is comprised in man. He unites
in himself all forms (Ibid, iii. 48a)." "The
mystery of the earthly man is after the mystery of
the Heavenly Man" (ii. 76a). The human form?
so called, because it is the vehicle (under
whatever shape) of the divine man?is, as so
intuitionally remarked by the author of "Esoteric
Studies,"? the new type, at the beginning of every
Round, "as man never can be, so he never has been,
manifested in a shape belonging to the animal
kingdom in esse.. "he never formed part of that
Having appeared at the very beginning, and at the
head of sentient and conscious life, man (the
astral, or the "Soul," for the Zohar, repeating
the archaic teaching, distinctly says that "the
real man is the Soul, and his material frame no
part of him")?man became the living and animal
UNIT, from which the "CAST-OFF CLOTHES" DETERMINED
THE SHAPE OF EVERY LIFE AND ANIMAL IN THIS ROUND.?
Thus, he "created" for ages the insects, reptiles,
birds, and animals, unconsciously to himself, from
his remains and relics from the Third and the Fourth
SD 2 p 289/90
These passages and many others call for considerable
study as these some of these teachings of cosmology
are changed or even contradicted in some of the
Unfortunately the vexed issue of available time
disallows my sharing more on this.
Hope this helps.
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