Animals, "group souls" and do we meet our pets again?
Mar 12, 2008 08:39 PM
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Scribe" <scribe@...> wrote:
> Dear Nigel,
> I have been troubled by this, too. Apparently it was, as you noted,
written by AB that animals had a "group soul" and my idea of what was
said was that when an animal--I'm thinking about my pets--when they
die their soul will sort of "dissolve" back into the animal soul
pool, sort of like the "shape-shifter" in Babylon 5 or whichever.
This bothered me and I was saddened by it. Then later I read a
contraction (I guess by AB again) saying that statement had caused
controversy and it was wrong. Also, I recall it being intimated that
actually being close to an animal--pet--is doing it no favors because
it's difficult for it to handle the increase in vibrations/evolution
being in such contact and rapport with humans, in fact after they die
they go into some kind of limbo until the next Mantavara when they
can progress. In other words, that it was better not to get too close
or emotionally attached because it wasn't good for them, or it would
be hard or difficult for them, because of the increased something or
> But, reading the links you provided in your post, I don't see how
they address that issue, in fact the second one seems to agree with
the concept of animal group souls.
> I guess the question is: Are the animal souls individual--I guess
I'm talking about domesticated pets--and can we meet again some day
(because there's so much love there)?
Thank you for this response and apologies for a tardy
reply, my time is very limited.
As a fellow animal and pet lover, this is a subject of
considerable interest to me.
Don, you write, "Apparently it was, as you noted,
written by AB that animals had a "group soul" and my
idea of what was said was that when an animal--I'm
thinking about my pets--when they die their soul will
sort of "dissolve" back into the animal soul pool,
sort of like the "shape-shifter" in
Babylon 5 or whichever."
I probably need to mention that in posting these
references I wasn't endorsing Dr Besant or Bishop
Leadbeater's ideas. I was merely pointing out that
it was they who wrote about "group souls" of animals
and that this differed from Madame Blavatsky's
teachings. Nowhere does she write about "group souls"
for animals that I have found.
Madame Blavatsky writes:
"Animals again are almost immediately reincarnated
in higher animal organisms."
Cruelty To Animals [Lucifer, Vol. VI, No. 34, June,
1890, p. 336]
This implies that "they" spend little time in between
death and rebirth.
Additionally she writes:
"The animal has an astral body, that survives the
physical body for a short period." S D II 196fn
She also writes:
"Still it [ Kama-loca on the astral plane ] exists,
and it is there that the astral eidolons of all
beings that have lived, animals included, await their
second death. For the animals it comes with the
disintegration and the entire fading out of their
astral particles to the last." Key to Theosophy 143
If this astral eidolon is all that is the animal, then
Don, you write, "I guess the question is: Are the
animal souls individual--I guess I'm talking about
domesticated pets--and can we meet again some day
(because there's so much
This largely depends on what you mean by "individual."
If you mean will Fido our dog meet up with us again
as Fido, according to Madame Blavatsky's Theosophical
teachings, unfortunately for our emotions perhaps,
probably not. Although this doesn't mean they are
As she writes:
"In calling the animal "Soulless," it is not
depriving the beast, from the humblest to the highest
species, of a "soul" but only of a conscious surviving
Ego-soul, i.e., that principle which survives after a
man, and reincarnates like a man. The animal has an
astral body, that survives the physical body for a
short period; but its (animal) Monad does not
reincarnate in the same, but in a higher species, and
has no "Devachan" of course. It has the seeds of all
the human principles in itself, but they are latent."
S D II 196fn
Herein lies the key. The real individual, the real
Man or pure, self-aware and self-conscious manas, is
not within the animal form of Fido.
Madame Blavatsky writes:
"?because man is a perfected animal, the vehicle of
a fully developed monad, self-conscious and
deliberately following its own line of progress,
whereas in the insect, and even the higher animal,
the higher triad of principles is absolutely dormant."
Transactions of the Blavatsky Lodge 14-15
The real individual is the awakened part of the higher
triad, which is "non-existent" in the animal form.
As Madame Blavatsky explains:
"The doctrine teaches that the only difference between
animals and inanimate objects on earth, between an
animal and a human frame, is that in some the various
"fires" are latent, and in others they are active.
The vital fires are in all things and not an atom is
devoid of them. But no animal has the three higher
principles awakened in him; they are simply potential,
latent, and thus non-existing." S D II 267
"Between man and animal--whose Monads (or Jivas) are
fundamentally identical--there is the impassable
abyss of Mentality and Self-consciousness. What is
human mind in its higher aspect, whence comes it, if
it is not a portion of the essence--and, in some
rare cases of incarnation, the very essence--of a
higher Being: one from a higher and divine plane?
Can man--a god in the animal form--be the product of
Material Nature by evolution alone, even as is the
animal, which differs from man in external shape, but
by no means in the materials of its physical fabric,
and is informed by the same, though undeveloped,
Monad--seeing that the intellectual potentialities of
the two differ as the Sun does from the Glow-worm ?
And what is it that creates such a difference, unless
man is an animal plus a living god within his physical
shell ?" S D II 81
So, it appears from the above that at the level of
our evanescent, astral and emotional desire/mind
state of consciousness we will not meet Fido again
as these vehicles disintegrate for both man and
animal after physical termination.
In saying this however, the Love that has occurred
through the consciously awakened state of
interconnection, does survive, and becomes part of
the vehicles of later habitation.
This conscious, selfless Love though is not that of
emotional infatuation, of mutual gratification where
our self-concerned personality desires the
"unconditional" "love" of a dog.
It concerns the states of consciousness which are,
and which recognise, the principles of
interconnectedness, interrelatedness and
This true Love embraces the Whole, as it is the Whole,
without the individual distinctions of me or mine.
It is at this level that the Love of a pet can soar
to the level of true Love within the heart and mind
of man. From this state, a profound comprehension of
the evolutionary process arises, where all beings of
Consciousness in mineral, plant, animal and human
forms are "seen" and "known" in their true light,
for their true value. From this then, compassion
arises within the consciousness of the real
individual, our "higher Ego", leading to a profound
concern for all beings, which is translated through
the lower vehicles as emotional sympathy and empathy
for our fellow life-forms.
This to me is one of the genuine benefits of sharing
our lives with pets, however from an occult
perspective, we may be doing our animal forms a
As you write, "..I recall it being intimated that
actually being close to an animal--pet--is doing
it no favors?"
Madame Blavatsky responds:
"A dog that has to exercise its own sagacity to find
food, will sooner develop psychical powers in that
direction, than one that does nothing but eat and
sleep, and the individual or differentiated monad of
the former will sooner reach the condition necessary
to enter the human kingdom. The rudiments of hope,
patience, faith, fidelity, confidence, etc., are
found in the animal kingdom."
-- HPB Theosophist 5- p. 223
This is a profound passage which should not be idly
dismissed due to possible sentimentality from attachment
to our pets.
It deserves considerable reflection and study as it
relates to the monadic evolutionary process on which
the entire Theosophical cosmology rests.
I leave that for your consideration.
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