Re: Carlos Castaneda And The Shaman. Tales From The Jungle
Mar 09, 2008 08:06 AM
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Konstantin Zaitzev"
> --- In email@example.com, "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > Sexual abuse of children is all about power and
> > domination of those most susceptible and vulnerable.
> Faking of miracles is also not a good thing. So why do you believe
> Blavatsky and not to Hodson Report which states that she was the
> outstanding humbug?
> The same logic should be applied to Leadbeater. Moreover, sexual
> of children is to be considered as a criminal case. If there were
> real proofs of it, why Leadbeater wasn't imprisoned? In those
> victorian times one could be sentenced even for homosexuality.
> Applying different logic to different persons is no other than
> religious thinking.
Thank you for your response.
You write, "Faking of miracles is also not a good
Are you seriously comparing the gravity of alleged
faked phenomena with child sexual abuse?
I sincerely trust you will reconsider this
Moreover you add, " So why do you believe to
Blavatsky and not to Hodson Report which states
that she was the most outstanding humbug?"
It appears you haven't read, "J'Accuse: An
Examination of the Hodgson Report of 1885" by
Dr Vernon Harrison PhD, a member of the Society
for Psychical Research.
The SPR initially released this in 1986 with
additional research leading in 1997 to the book
publication of "H.P. Blavatsky and the SPR: An
Examination of the Hodgson Report of 1885."
I will leave you to study this work and its
author, but for your information, here are some
quotes from this eminent researcher concerning
"I cannot exonerate the SPR committee from blame
for publishing this thoroughly bad report. They
seem to have done little more than rubber-stamp
Hodgson's opinions; and no serious attempt was
made to check his findings or even to read his
"?whereas Hodgson was prepared to use any evidence,
however trivial or questionable, to implicate HPB,
he ignored all evidence that could be used in her
favour. His report is riddled with slanted
statements, conjecture advanced as fact or probable
fact, uncorroborated testimony of unnamed witnesses,
selection of evidence and downright falsity."
The Hodgson report has caused much damage to the
Theosophical cause of Madame Blavatsky and her
Mahatmas for more than 120 years. It is
disappointing that you choose a thoroughly
discredited and outrageous report which smears
her name yet again.
You write, "If there were any real proofs of it,
why Leadbeater wasn't imprisoned?"
The following is a posting from Dr Gregory Tillett
concerning Bishop Leadbeater's admissions:
"Before the Committee hearing the allegations
against him, Leadbeater admitted to the Committee
(and it is recorded in the minutes) that:
(a) he had "taught" boys to masturbate - just
what that can mean is unclear but "taught" is
obviously distinct from "advised boys not to worry
(b) there had been "indicative action" - just what
that can mean is unclear;
(c) there "may have been touch involved" - just what
that can mean is unclear;
(d) this had involved boys who had not sought his
(e) this had involved prepubescent boys;
(f) this had involved a number of boys (although,
apparently, less than twenty).
The minutes were written up and sworn as an
affidavit by G.R.S. Mead and the person acting
as Secretary to the Committee.
The minutes were subsequently published in a
number of places.
Leadbeater never publicly raised any question as
to the accuracy of the record.
I would assume that any person (whether or not
doing so as some form of "occult training") who
now "taught" a prepubescent or pubescent boy to
masturbate and used "indicative action" and possible
"touch" could anticipate criminal charges and a
period in prison. "
Dr Gregory Tillett
Moreover Dr Tillett wrote in his book
"The Elder Brother":
"...In her statement Mrs. Martyn recalled:
"I saw Oscar [Kollerstrom, an adolescent] in a
state of nudity in the bed with Mr. Leadbeater
and Heyting also naked. He walked out of the room
naked to his bed which was on the verandah...and
I saw Mr. Leadbeater getting into bed where
Oscar was and the light extinguished...."(p. 198)
As Daniel Caldwell recently asked, ".....Why did
Leadbeater invariably sleep with a young boy in
And why did he invariably have a boy in the bath
with him? It has been argued that his weak heart
necessitated such companionship for fear he might
have some sort of attack whilst alone; but does
companionship require mutual nakedness in close
And why did Leadbeater insist on communal bathing
for his pupils at the Manor, with all of them in
the bathroom, naked, at the same time? He was given
an enema every morning by one or other of his pupils,
in the presence of the others while they bathed.
This, said the close associate of Leadbeater's who
told of the morning ritual, may have given rise to
One could understand why."(p. 280)
It is therefore an interesting question as to why
Bishop Leadbeater wasn't charged by the police.
The above, by your criteria, would certainly have
earned him a prison sentence.
The criminal charge of paedophilia has historically
been problematic to prove, usually due to children
being unwilling to testify.
This is well known and used by perpetrators as
children are often in a state of fear or awe.
Perpetrators regularly threaten and/or make
promises to their victims in all manner of ways.
They can use the allure of secrecy and specialness
to entice the excitement of a child's sense of
mystery and wonder.
Children can also feel shame, guilt and remorse
despite protestations from caring adults of their
They can also be fearful of their parents' reaction,
afraid they will be accused of encouraging the
Paedophiles can be cunning and powerful.
As I suggested to Perry recently, I now urge all
to study paedophilia, its processes and effects,
as distasteful as this can be, so as to enable
identification of tell-tale warning signs, so as
to apply this knowledge with an open mind.
You may one day be in a position to cautiously
ask appropriate questions and save a child much
trauma rather than remain in a state of ignorant
unawareness, denial and/or disbelief.
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