Re: Carlos Castaneda And The Shaman. Tales From The Jungle
Mar 05, 2008 10:46 PM
Thank you for your response.
You write, "From my current point of view CLW's
writings by on large taught fairly balanced
spiritual values and tolerance for others and
these writings no doubt have encouraged people
to try and develop those principles as well and
brought some light into the world."
>From one perspective, your approach, prima facie,
appears entirely reasonable.
Who would argue with the principles of tolerance
and acceptance under normal circumstances.
Undoubtedly in our world there is excessive
judgement and condemnation rooted in fear, power
and prejudice, in all their manifestations.
And in a decent society we need combat this
wherever they raise their ugly head.
Also undoubtedly too, everyone necessarily has
something of value to offer, however great or
So, where you write the above, this is a true
statement as far as it goes.
But, do we sometimes need to look beyond the
After all, there are many religious and spiritual
teachers who have brought the above.
So, what else did Bishop Leadbeater bring?
Through his sexual abuse of some of the young
boys in his care, he brought psychological and
I urge you to read the effects of paedophilia on
children, just from an ordinary human perspective.
As you are aware, I worked professionally with
abused young people and the damage is considerable
and long lasting, sometimes to the extent of suicide.
It cannot be argued Bishop Leadbeater lived during
the times of Plato where it was arguably an accepted
He was an English priest in Victorian times where
puritanical Victorian morality was deeply entrenched.
Simply by his reception from people throughout the
world, he knew his actions were abominable, that is
of course by those who were not under his spell.
He caused splits in the Adyar Society by theosophists
who were appalled by his confessed actions.
Any decent person, even if he were innocent, would
have withdrawn permanently from the Society to save
it and Theosophy embarrassment and humiliation, and
the potential loss of earnest seekers at the time and
into the future.
Then perhaps consider the occult consequences.
With what occult energies was he in contact?
Sexual abuse of children is all about power and
domination of those most susceptible and vulnerable.
Are these the energies of highly evolved, spiritual
beings with whom he claimed acquaintance?
Of course not, if Theosophy has any veracity.
Can you see a correlation here between his actions
and mindset relating to children and the same
relating to his church flock of followers?
Of course he spoke about the necessary independence
of people, but the mental and physical structures he
built, or caused to be built, and his subsequent actions,
demonstrated and produced something quite different.
He also brought a litany of demonstrable lies
These were not lies of the ordinary kind where a
"white" lie is told to protect someone from
unnecessary suffering. Nor were they those which we
might ordinarily, in our weakness, tell to protect
ourselves from an undesired outcome.
They were blatant and ongoing falsifications which
in turn encouraged others to follow him and his
As you know, he claimed to be in direct contact with
the very same teachers as Madame Blavatsky whilst
utterly contradicting much of their teachings.
What sort of mindset does this?
Is it honest and honourable within reasonable bounds?
If not, should we tolerate it as legitimate and
acceptable, and thereby likely to assist us towards
anything of like kind, such as the genuine truths of
existence, just because some of what came out of his
mouth happened to be true?
At the level of simply honesty, is it fair to
assume Madame Blavatsky and her teachers would
accept his representations of their teachings?
Of course not.
Is it fair to think they would have accepted his
sexual proclivities for small boys?
Also, of course not.
What then of the effects of this behaviour on
More importantly perhaps, what also the occult
effects of these energies made manifest in our
mental and psychic atmosphere?
It is perhaps with these with which we need be most
>From an occult perspective, keeping people in
ignorance of his mental and physical misdemeanours,
does not protect them from the subtle energies of
How might his mindset of thought patterns subtly
affect the way vulnerable seekers think, particularly
those who, in their ignorance, feel an affinity with
the romantic nature of his writings?
In the final analysis, who in their right mind would
want to associate with the energies of a demonstrably
compulsive liar, misrepresenter and paedophile for any
reason other than to help him see the error of his ways,
or to apprise and warn others of the aforementioned
>From my perspective, in this relativistic, post-modern
mindset world, in some instances, there are still
certain matters which are either right or wrong.
How we deal with wrong is always debatable.
Supporting wrong, in whatever form, is not.
--- In email@example.com, "plcoles1" <plcoles1@...> wrote:
> Hi Nigel,
> You wrote :
> "From my perspective, humanity's gullibility and
> misguided forms of acceptance, often influenced by
> powerful occult energies, know no bounds and ensures
> we are to remain the mere playthings of the Brothers
> of the Shadow for some time to come."
> Yes we are, all of us to some extent gullible and misguided but we
> do from time to time have insights and do good deeds as well.
> From my current point of view CLW's writings by on large taught
> fairly balanced spiritual values and tolerance for others and these
> writings no doubt have encouraged people to try and develop those
> principles as well and brought some light into the world.
> I have problems with this concept of "brothers of the shadow" it
> smacks too much to me of "Satan and his demons", aren't we all a
> mixture of good and bad and sometimes we are under "shadows" and
> then sometimes more influenced by the "light", isn't paradox and
> contradiction evident in all facets of life?
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > --- In email@example.com, "plcoles1" <plcoles1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting doco.
> > > Perry
> > >
> > >
> > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?
> > >
> > Dear Perry
> > Thank you for this most interesting documentary
> > of yet another fraud and liar duping his
> > followers.
> > I remember reading his work The Teachings of Don
> > Juan in the early seventies.
> > It reminds me of one Cyril Hoskin a k a T Lobsang
> > Rampa, another of like kind, who many of us young
> > seekers absorbed, in our gullible innocence, as a
> > truthful and honest person.
> > What is quite extraordinary to me is that, despite
> > unequivocal evidence of their fraud and lies,
> > their deceptions and hypocrisy and their utterly
> > discredited fantasies, they still have followers
> > who believe in them and much of what they say.
> > What is even more extraordinary to me is that
> > among so-called theosophical truth-seekers Bishop
> > C W Leadbeater is still accepted as a person of
> > credibility and even adoration.
> > Others accept him and his fantasies simply because
> > some of his writings happen to copy what other
> > genuine truth-tellers have said or written before
> > him.
> > At least Mr Castaneda only claimed to have been
> > taught by a Yaqui shaman.
> > And Mr Hoskin only claimed to be a Tibetan Lama.
> > Bishop Leadbeater claimed to be in contact with the
> > "Supreme Director of evolution on this globe",
> > perhaps his most supreme fantasy, amongst many others.
> > From my perspective, humanity's gullibility and
> > misguided forms of acceptance, often influenced by
> > powerful occult energies, know no bounds and ensures
> > we are to remain the mere playthings of the Brothers
> > of the Shadow for some time to come.
> > Kind regards
> > Nigel
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