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Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in

Feb 25, 2008 07:41 PM
by Cass Silva

Hello Martin
  I am pleased to hear that Theosophy touched your soul and brought you through your nightmare, never mind about the theosophists who apparently treat you so badly.

Martin <> wrote:
          Humble me was invited into Theosophy in '75, then
worked from '76 till '80 as a volunteer in the
European Headquarters in The Hague; then I was sent
away with the reason I was too boisterous.
In fact I had devoted my career to become a printer
and work for spreading Theosophy ( I was 16 in '75).
Things worked out the worst and those people from The
Hague calling themselves my friends had just left me
alone in my disappointments, I was taken into a
nuthouse afterwards in 1981 but survived. If it wasn't
for my real Self I would have become the worst
adversary of the Theosophical Society after this
period of my life, but thanks to mySelf I remained
into the same spirit of Theosphy...

--- Cass Silva <> wrote:

> IMO you're right Nigel concerning the information
> age, which I wasn't thinking of at the time. Wasn't
> it in 1975 that Bill Gates registered Microsoft. 
> Cass
> nhcareyta <> wrote:
> Dear Cass
> Points well made.
> In addition have we thought much about the dawning 
> of the "information age" with computers and the 
> internet. 
> Was this part of their "effort?"
> On the jnana path, information leads to knowledge; 
> and knowledge to awakening.
> And what would be the need for a messiah figure with
> all this information extant, other than to relieve
> the 
> burdensome task of thinking and doing the work for 
> ourselves?
> Kind regards
> Nigel 
> --- In, Cass Silva
> <silva_cass@...> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps the problem is that Theosophists are
> looking for a new 
> Blavatsky. As she said, lesser messengers will come
> with their 
> contribution to spritual wakefullness. I think we
> can see this in 
> the West with the acceptance of eastern
> methodolgies, e.g. yoga, 
> reiki, tai-chi,healers, all practices contribute to
> an overall 
> awareness that we are not just the body!
> > 
> > Cass
> > 
> > Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
> > To all readers
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > There is - one more - quote from HPB about what
> will happen in the 
> years after 1975.
> > I think with an organisation awaiting his arrival
> as HPB puts it in 
> the below, - one will have to stop believeing it to
> be the fact, that 
> the number of persons involved in this are more than
> a few science 
> intellectuals:
> > 
> > "...that during the last quarter of every hundred
> years an attempt 
> is made by those "Masters," of whom I have spoken,
> to help on the 
> spiritual progress of Humanity in a marked and
> definite way. Towards 
> the close of each century you will invariably find
> that an outpouring 
> or upheaval of spirituality -- or call it mysticism
> if you prefer -- 
> has taken place. Some one or more persons have
> appeared in the world 
> as their agents, and a greater or less amount of
> occult knowledge and 
> teaching has been given out. If you care to do so,
> you can trace 
> these movements back, century by century, as far as
> our detailed 
> historical records extend...If the present attempt,
> in the form of 
> our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors
> have done, then it 
> will be in existence as an organized, living and
> healthy body when 
> the time 307 comes for the effort of the XXth
> century. The general 
> condition of men's minds and hearts will have been
> improved and 
> purified by the spread of its teachings,
> > and, as I have said, their prejudices and dogmatic
> illusions will 
> have been, to some extent at least, removed. Not
> only so, but besides 
> a large and accessible literature ready to men's
> hands, the next 
> impulse will find a numerous and united body of
> people ready to 
> welcome the new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find
> the minds of men 
> prepared for his message, a language ready for him
> in which to clothe 
> the new truths he brings, an organization awaiting
> his arrival, which 
> will remove the merely mechanical, material
> obstacles and 
> difficulties from his path. Think how much one, to
> whom such an 
> opportunity is given, could accomplish. Measure it
> by comparison with 
> what the Theosophical Society actually has achieved
> in the last 
> fourteen years, without any of these advantages and
> surrounded by 
> hosts of hindrances which would not hamper the new
> leader. Consider 
> all this, and then tell me whether I am too sanguine
> when I say that 
> if the Theosophical Society survives and lives true
> to
> > its mission, to its original impulses through the
> next hundred 
> years? Tell me, I say, if I go too far in asserting
> that earth will 
> be a heaven in the twenty-first century in
> comparison with what it is 
> now! 
> > (H. P. Blavatsky's book "Key to Theosophy", s.
> 306-7. English 
> edition, Italics added.)
> > 
> > So HPB said in the above: "Think how much one, to
> whom such an 
> opportunity is given, could accomplish. Measure it
> by comparison with 
> what the Theosophical Society actually has achieved
> in the last 
> fourteen years, without any of these advantages and
> surrounded by 
> hosts of hindrances which would not hamper the new
> leader."
> > 
> > So I guess I will just have to disagree with you
> about the 
> importance of the numbers who receives the message
> Frank. I think it 
> is not just me, who talk about it. As we can see HPB
> also did it. A 
> high initiate will exactly be able to deliver a
> message about truth 
> and theosophy, and will be able to reach thousands
> and tens of 
> thousands with the proper message.
> > 
> > But of course if you are right a spiritual
> outpouring coming from 
> the Masters will only affect a very few persons.
> > Some how I find my self disagreeing with this
> view.
> > 
> > Frank wrote:
> > "You stick to much in forms rather than ideas."
> > 
> > I am afraid you misunderstand, what I am talking
> about.
> > I am exactly sticking to "ideas" or rather what we
> call "spiritual 
> impact".
> > The level of "spiritual impact" are always related
> to the number of 
> persons affected by the impact.
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Frank Reitemeyer 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> > 
> > Morten,
> > I will not disturb your comfort and your
> conviction that you are 
> right, but 
> > to answer your additional question:
> > We do not talk about for how many persons the
> ultimate proofs were 
> given.
> > It's just you. To me it's not important. HPB did
> not write about 
> quantities.
> > Important is that this proofs were given.
> > I believe this predicted proofs are connected with
> the 
> guruparampara, which 
> > was launched by HPB.
> > You may consider the first aim of the TS: To form
> a nucleus, not to 
> form a 
> > crowd as much as possible.
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