Re: Theos-World Re: The Mahatmas and the Liberal Catholic church.
Feb 18, 2008 09:45 AM
I have been following discussions on this trend and others. I can understand different claims on true Theosophy. Kindly let me know the true Theosophical group that is professing true theosopy as given by HPB.
May you be blessed.
nhcareyta <email@example.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Petri
Thank you for your response and please do not
apologise; welcome to the conversation.
You ask, "Have you ever been in any of the LCC´s
masses after all?"
You ask, "?are you just pondering over this
intellectually - comparing words of Mahatama
to someone else´s ords?"
Yes, but not only with intellect. The issues
under discussion surpass mere intellectual
Please read some of my and others' recent and
past postings to obtain a clearer idea.
You ask, "Should we study letters of Mahatamas
after all as they were mostly confidential
letters to A.P. Sinnett?"
This is indeed a very good and moot point, one
deserving of considerable contemplation.
There are those who believe it wrong to even read
the letters for the reason you have stated.
Others take a different view, sometimes for
In the Mahatma Letters to A P Sinnett, the Mahatma
KH writes, "I lay no restrictions upon your making
use of anything I may have written to you or Mr.
Hume, having full confidence in your tact and
judgment as to what should be printed and how
it should be presented. "
L 15; Chronology of George Linton and Virginia Hanson
However in letter 128 he writes, "My letters must
not be published in the manner you suggest?" "The
letters, in short, were not written for publication
or public comment upon them, but for private use,
and neither M. nor I will ever give our consent to
see them thus handled."
Whilst this appears unequivocal, this letter was
written in the context of protecting Mr Sinnett
and the Adyar Theosophical Society from further
undesirable effects after the troubles of the
"Kiddle incident." I refer you to the full quote
The letters were and continue to be published and are
therefore now in the public domain.
This being the case, I believe Theosophical students
should read and study them, if only for the sake of
understanding a little more of who these Mahatmas were,
such as is possible to know, and understanding what
they said, such as is possible to understand; as well
as perhaps protecting them and their teachings from
the potential of false representation.
After all, it was only after their general publication
that actual proof became available of Bishop Leadbeater
and Dr Besant lying so consistently and thoroughly about
their contact with the Mahatmas and their superiors. **
I further believe the letters should be treated with
utmost respect and only in a Theosophical study
This being one of those places it seems
appropriate to use the wisdom and compassion of
their words to elucidate their apparent position
on certain matters.
I do however greatly respect the principled position
others take in not reading the letters.
We must perhaps leave it to karma to determine
our respective fates.
You write, "I belive LCC brings good esoteric views
to christian religion.
And after all it supports all religions, but mostly
so called wisdom-religion, theosophy. Maha-Cohan has
also said in one of his talks that theosophy will be a
corner-stone for all the religions."
With respect, this is not what the Mahachohan said.
He said, "?the Theosophical Society was chosen as
the corner stone, the foundation of the future
religion of humanity." Letters from the Masters of
the Wisdom 1st Series. Appendix 2; The Mahatma Letters
to A P Sinnett; chronology of George Linton and
Whilst we may ordinarily dismiss your pluralisation
of the word "religion" as insignificant, it actually
carries particular significance.
The Mahatmas and their Chiefs were attempting to
reintroduce a particular spiritual philosophy based
in Unity and inclusiveness, a genuine "re ligare",
or return to our source.
Indeed, the inclusive first object of the Adyar
Theosophical Society states; To form a nucleus of
the Universal Brotherhood of humanity without
distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour.
The major religions of the west at that time,
Judaism, Islam and Christianity, were rooted in
exclusivity and believed in the superiority of
their respective faith. They also believed, and
some still believe, in the superiority and
exclusivity of the priesthood to make contact with
Likewise in the Liberal Catholic church, the
so-called "theosophical church", the Bishop or
priest is somewhat exclusive and superior in that
only he can draw down the "Christ energies" and
distribute this to his flock. Moreover, according
to Bishop Leadbeater's teaching this can only be
done by a man, a woman's vehicles being occultly
This hardly represents the Unity and inclusiveness
of genuine Theosophy.
So we can see, these expressions of religion were
quite obviously not the "wisdom-religion, theosophy"
to which the Mahachohan was alluding as you suggest
and have probably been told.
This is not to say there is no value in the religions
of the day, including the Liberal Catholic church.
Their teachings help produce many fine human beings
from all walks of life.
In terms of compassionate action alone they perform a
vital role for many people throughout the world.
But from my perspective, their superiority based,
hierarchical philosophy and ritualistic practices are,
in significant part, not representative of the
spiritual philosophy of the genuine Mahatmas and
However these do tend to be represented in the
pseudo-theosophy of Bishop Leadbeater.
Thank you again for your heartfelt comments and
* "My letters must not be published, in the manner
you suggest, but on the contrary, if you [would]
save Djual K. trouble, copies of some should be
sent to the Literary Committee at Adyar ? about
which Damodar has written to you ? so that with
the assistance of S.T.K. Charya, Djual K., Subba
Row and the Secret Committee (from which H.P.B.
was purposely excluded by us to avoid new suspicions
and calumnies) they might be able to utilise the
information for the realization of the object with
which the Committee was started, as explained by
Damodar in the letter written by him under orders.
It is neither new "Kiddle developments" that I seek
to avoid, nor criticism directed against my
personality, which indeed can hardly be reached;
but I rather try to save yourself and Society
from new troubles which would be serious this time.
The letters, in short, were not written for
publication or public comment upon them, but
for private use, and neither M. nor I will ever
give our consent to see them thus handled."
** Please see "Theosophy Versus Neo Theosophy"
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Jokela Petri <jokelap@...> wrote:
> Have you ever been in any of the LCC´s masses after all?
> Or are you just pondering over this intellectually - comparing
> to someone else´s ords? Should we study letters of Mahatamas after
> as they were mostly
> confidential letters to A.P. Sinnett? At least we should not make
> Mahatma letters
> to be accurate dogma. Mahatma himself was not perfect all the time
> writing them.
> Also KH said that adept its the one who does have all his occult
> in use,
> so therefore he is fallible in other times and that they cannot
> their occult
> powers in work all the time just like atlethic cannot train his
> all the time.
> I belive LCC brings good esoteric views to christian religion.
> And after all it supports all religions, but mostly so called
> wisdom-religion, theosophy. Maha-Cohan has also said in one of his
> that theosophy will be a corner-stone for all the religions. So I
> it is a some
> kind of a key to every religion, to their esoteric side and to open
> for all world religions.
> All works for free in LCC. Priesthood and so on are mainly in a
> where one must take some responsibility of some duties. Reading
> lines which they go through in mass should be pretty enlightening
> one who studies things open heartedly.
> So if there is a place in the world for all the churches we have,
> isn´t there a room for LCC, which is must closer to truth.
> they ask everyone to find the truth by themselves. So, LCC is a
> where people are seeking the truth. What´s wrong with it?
> Sorry for taking apart for your conversation.
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