Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00267)

YOw Cass:

Thanks for that reply, seems you read my questions straight in my 'views'. Well I just try to work with all that is offered, getting things straight helps everybody :-)
It's true we cannot be taught by others how to live or behave, therefore we ourselves must be an example.
Most of the time, I speak from experience, I stumble upon things in life which I recognise to have solved long ago in another lifetime, but forgot in this lifetime. Maybe I should start a new thread on that in how to deal with Nature's erasing memorytrick between 2 births.
I bow deeply in respect to your handling authority, hihi, that makes a lot of people equals! Originality is what makes a real human. 
As KH stated that we actually have to face Mara on ourselves without the help of others underlines freedom of authority and although I feel I am monitored all my life (which could be a hinder as KH states in that same letter), I feel not ashamed nor embarassed the way I pick up the pieces of wisdom which I find everywhere and within everyone. Thats how I made my teachers, to be in all other people and try to be 1 myself when asked for.
The role of a Bodhisatva needs no study, but a living (which is a study as well). It leads to being a Buddha of compassion in the very end. When you are 'not carefull enough', you become a Buddha and the only way to serve humanity then is as a (Nirmana)kaya. This usually happened sofar anyway; I learned a Bodhisatva makes a 'mistake' on purpose every lifetime he is here to mislead Nature (positively) and then to be able to be present with other humans in the flesh; he choses that 'mistake' to make very carefull, so Karma will not be to harsh on other humans except that they will grow as well. Not ready humans can be victims of any kind of evil, so a Bodhisatva lives like the wary white dove of Truth :-) Taking every step very carefull.
So like the Dugpa hides from and misleads Nature, so the Bodhisatva serves Nature by 'hiding from and misleading'  humanity.
My 2 cnts.:-)

Martin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:43 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Narada-Shiva


  Hi Martin,
  In response.....

  "j.schenk" <j.schenk@quicknet.nl> wrote:
  Well Cass, whatever. The end of the story is, all this information is useless for learning to live a pure and truthfull life. That has always been a thought of objection of me to how theosophy was brought upon us. If truth has to be revealed to humanity, first teach them how to behave and how to live, then come with all the knowledge, but typing this I do actually embrace Theosophy as how it came again and so do many of us, but the fact is there are only a few...and GDP is not one of my favorites although he has had great impact on many Theosophists as Annie Besant had.
  Cass: Unfortunately we cannot teach anyone how to behave nor how to live. It is the knowledge that gives us the momentum to change because it provides us with a meaningful picture of what life is all about and what we are in our true natures. We are all drawn to different teachers, as mentioned in the past, we take what resonates with us as individuals.

  Maybe its just that I can't stand authority the moment some1 claims it verbally or subconsciously. But again when the Truth is served , it doesn't matter who has taken it upon us..its our job to live according to it.
  Cass: I too have an issue with authority especially when it is being pushed down my throat without a reasonable explanation. I believe this to be a positive characteristic as it means that we do not have to rely on a guru etc for our own development. 

  We can all see where all the knowledge given by HPB and her Masters lead to, we have had a century full of war and wrongthinking/doing and it hasn't finished yet. Have you noticed by the way, all the written fears of KH in the ML have come out? 
  Cass: I believe that finally the world is slowly starting to change its ideas about War, the war in Irak, has changed many peoples ideas on disbanding the idea that there is such a thing as a noble war.
  For example, the split up of Theosophic Societies, like the Catholic Church.
  Cass: I believe this to be a good thing as it promotes self reliance.

  Another interesting thing is The way of the Bodhisatva; if you are to follow the way of the Bodhisatva, you don't care about personal Karma since you have bound yourself to humanity and would do everything Nature allows you to teach others how to live and behave in Natures Presence, then teach them about the Occult and that till they become Bodhisatva's themselves. 
  Cass: It is probably a good idea not to place too much emphasis on personal karma, but our actions contribute to humanity's karma, whether we like it or not. As interconnected beings this must occur and also there is the law of essential identity which plugs into Karma.

  Of course some will just fall away, whether this is inevitable or not. Nature does everything, a Bodhisatva CAN do everything and we can do some...
  But I am sure you know all this therefore I can only share these thoughts to unravel Truth as you would do, since we were only given half the Truth by HPB and her Masters. The Maha Chohan himself spoke about the wary white dove of Truth and the doom of humanity...I would never have said that. At such a level of consciousness putting a stamp on humanity labelled 'DOOM' can only mean it will happen. Were he a real Bodhisatva he would have been busy in the world undercover and teaching as many humans as possible, hmm maybe he is, hehe, but still I would never have 'doomed' humanity...but I am just a poor man knowing nothing and if I did know, I'd know I know nothing. Ignorance is our mutual enemy, but a bliss for not yet Bodhisatva's.
  Cass: I have not studied the role of the Boddhisatvas in depth, so cannot comment.

  Strange by the way, I don't think the Buddha preached doom and the Maha Chohan wouldn't either, but its these things which made those beings human...
  Cass: The Buddha taught attachment leads to suffering.
  Cheers
  Cass

  Martin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Narada-Shiva

  I forgot to add that the DC may be classed into three major classes of kingdoms, and that each class may be subdivided into seven.
  Cass

  mvandertak <j.schenk@quicknet.nl> wrote:
  Well the only part I actually support is the quote of HPB, the 
  speculation of GDP is just well..pure speculation :-)

  'Quote': He is a Dhyan-Chohan of the highest or the next to the 
  highest class. I am not now referring merely to the three great 
  classes of Dhyan-Chohans higher than the humans. I am referring to 
  classes in a different category. Every possibility of Dhyan-Chohanic 
  type considered, Narada belongs to the next to the highest type. 'end 
  Quote'

  I mean if you classify (I hate that word, it is sooo Dutch) him to be 
  of the highest or the next highest and then at the end saying he is 
  next to the highest, then I can surely say he is just speculating ( 
  which is sooo American :-))

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
  >
  > GdPurucker has a chapter on Narada in Fountain-Source of Occultism.
  > Cass
  > 
  > "j.schenk" <j.schenk@...> wrote:
  > Hi Konstatin:
  > 
  > thanks for your reply :-)
  > 
  > Well about Grubb, who cares, he is just 1 of myriads of 
  personalities, like you and me; on itself only a possible pest to 
  others. We all mirror just the one Spirit with one and other, so if 
  some persona (mask) hinders you, it is just something inside which 
  needs attention to become stronger...
  > 
  > No society for me at the moment, I prefer email at the moment, 
  can't stand the hypocrits I see everywhere in the so called Spiritual 
  movement, although I know, many are there who are sincere and true.
  > In anyway I am still a member of the TS Pasadena, whatever way one 
  turns it, I had to send my membershipcard back since I was at war in 
  myself and no1 needed to be confronted with my own private war. 
  Actually I have prepared for the last battle in me, therefore I am 
  looking for a lot of information concerning Dieties and Demons; can't 
  say yet whatfor exactly, but I keep you posted.
  > Did you know btw HPB is far away family of mine? She carried the 
  same name Hahn, which my great grandfather had from 
  Meckelenburg/VorPommeren. I was there last year to see th Castle, of 
  which only a few buildings are left.
  > 
  > Narada-Shiwa is one of those Dieties, as temporary as humans, but 
  with a longer Lifespan, which is visiting this world at the moment.
  > I understand he can't get more down on earth than in thoughts, so 
  he uses only Thought as a 'physical' existence, al though I am not 
  sure, thats why I asked. In the books of Bailey It is called The 
  Avatar of Synthesis, Which has a physical representant on Earth at 
  the moment being overshadowed by It.
  > 
  > Thanks for the links to the online books, I must have about 1 
  Terrabyte now on Esoteric books excluding the real Hardcovers d:-)
  > 
  > All the best and thanks again for your reply, Martin
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Konstantin Zaitzev 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:09 PM
  > Subject: Theos-World Re: Narada-Shiva
  > 
  > Dear Martin,
  > 
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "mvandertak" <j.schenk@> wrote:
  > 
  > > contacted Mr. Grubb from The Theosophical Society in Pasadena 
  > > confronting him
  > 
  > Not surprising :) In Russian "grub" means "harsh" or "rough".
  > 
  > > So Theosophy is ok for me, actually I am greatfull for the 
  > > experiences I had with this piece of the Theosophic World, but 
  thank 
  > > you, not, for the people in Pasadena which I have crossed, for 
  their 
  > 
  > Have you tried with TS Adyar? I think it's more widespread in 
  > Netherlands than Pasadena. Saying frankly, I have had troubles with 
  > them and even had problems with joining for several years, yet of 
  all 
  > worldwide theosophical organizations which I've contacted it seems 
  to 
  > me the most healthy. We may admit that they are too bureaucratic 
  and 
  > conservative, but they are not fanatical.
  > 
  > > I found Narada was the 12th Buddha and Shiva? hmm Narada Shiva is 
  > > another word for Vajrapani or Maha Kala?
  > 
  > I can't answer this question but there are some interesting 
  glimpses 
  > on Narada in "Spiritual Astrology" by E. Krishnamacharya, chapter 
  on 
  > Mercury. (He is mentioned in other chapters also).
  > 
  > It can be downloaded from http://ftp1.dns-systems.net/~hpb/books
  > though in graphical scanned format only.
  > 
  > Fraternally yours, Konstantin (Moscow, Russia)
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