Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00261)

Hi Cass:

Well, thats exactly where I ended for some time, the Silent Watcher!
There are many beings already into the 3 different *.kaya's, the Nirmanakaya's being ex-Buddha's and keeping themselves from Nirvana to just help humanity on its way upwards, sacrificing their earned freedom, are the closest to humanity except for Living Bodhisatva's,  and approachable with the right attitude. I have met 1 once just before I was severely tested by myself 20 years ago ( btw no-else but yourself tests you and initiates you, 'masters' etc are only there to oversee progress).
On a planetary scale, there is the Silent Watcher being the first Earth Dhyan Chohan to have finished the 7 rounds of planetary existence, and like a Nirmanakaya waits for the other Dhyan Chohans to be liberated as well: so in the Great, so in the Small, but I am just speculating here...
Of course one can only guess what a life or even just a part of it from a Dhyan Chohan must be, lets say being human is a small part of it...
Behind every King is a Joker; seen in this Light, the Silent Watcher plays the Cosmic Leela at His best. The Lipika's are the executers in Justice of all that disturbs Harmony, they are there in the Great Cosmos and in our  Microcosmos, created at the moment first contact (first karma) is made. Only beyond the unborn Spirit ( Paramapadatmawa ) there are no Lipika's..but who cares about talking all this knowledge for everyone to read, and 5 minutes later as easy forget it and have a Mc Donalds burger...
Anyway there is so much knowledge out there within the Ring Pass Not, one can never collect it all in one head, better let it rest to be in Akasha ( which happens when the head is permanently completely filled with Kundalini); the Lipika's will show any information when needed. Also the Lipika's are in a sense ( not in essence!) ( with respect ) the Cosmic Harddrives,  continuously defragmented and accessible faster than the speed of Thought. I always say nature isn't perfect ( continiously moving towards it though forever), but in 1 thing: It works perfect!

Greets, Martin :-)


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:48 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Narada-Shiva


  My notes from years ago say that beyond the Manifested Logos as a Trinity, there is an unmanifesterd triangle of the Heirarchy of this Earth, behind the great three, The King who wills, the Prime Minister who plans and the General who executes. Behind the three is a Fourth - the Silent Watcher.

  Around the King are four great devarajas who adjust the Karma of Men and operate through the aura of the King. This Devarajas are also called Mind Born Sons of Brahma-Lords of the Flame and are known as the Head, the Heart, the Soul and the Seed of undying knowledge.

  Perhaps my notes are inaccurate but my understanding is that Nerada may be The King and The Lipikas either the recorders of or agents for justice through the King? Perhaps the King itself governs planetary karma which would explain the Shiva aspect of its nature.

  The Lipika separate the world of pure spirit from that of matter?

  Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I could set me straight on this? I truly would love someone to draw a diagram of what seems to be triangles within triangles of heirarchichal beings or the AHHI.

  Cass

  mvandertak <j.schenk@quicknet.nl> wrote:
  Hi all,

  I am not new to theosophy, but have been out of study a few years 
  because of some private troubles.
  Now I am back I came across readings about see topic as being an 
  active topic among Theosophists.

  I have just finished reading the Mahatma Letters, during reading I 
  contacted Mr. Grubb from The Theosophical Society in Pasadena 
  confronting him ( within the back of my had the following by KH: The 
  Dhyan Chohans answer to Buddh, Divine Wisdom and Life in blissful 
  knowledge, and the Ma-mos are the personification in nature of Shiva, 
  Jehovah and other invented monsters with Ignorance at their tail ) 
  with the Narada Shiva story as read by myself in various books and 
  through own weird experiences. 
  He responded with judging me on abusive emails and threatening people 
  and lack of will to do good but on some level, but I ignored that bit 
  and used it to dig more in their new God Narada Shiva, being one of 
  his messengers ( I like to provoke when I am judged wrongly 
  especially after having been of their service when I was a young man 
  and dumped being too boisterous and left for Dugpa's to try get a 
  hold on me, and behind my back saying they are my friends ).
  So Theosophy is ok for me, actually I am greatfull for the 
  experiences I had with this piece of the Theosophic World, but thank 
  you, not, for the people in Pasadena which I have crossed, for their 
  personalities that I know now are certainly no friends of mine or the 
  like.
  I have apologised for any misbehaviour, if there was any and asked 
  them to send me my membershipcard back. KH stated any member who has 
  been away should be able to join again.
  I am completely ignored, but forget it. I am asking too much 
  attention for myself, although I am sure there are others with 
  similar experiences with the several Theosophical Societies, which 
  btw was a nightmare idea to happen to KH, when he was discussing all 
  the different Christian sects.
  I use the word discussion differently btw. In Dutch we 
  have 'discussion' meaning to enlighten a conversation, bring more 
  clarity; and we have the word 'debate', meaning no questions asked, 
  you are either with these ideas or with the terrorists...erhm scrap 
  that last word please. Debate means actually a battle with a winner 
  and a loser.
  Ok, back to the topic.
  Narada-Shiva, does any1 have a clue?
  I found Narada was the 12th Buddha and Shiva? hmm Narada Shiva is 
  another word for Vajrapani or Maha Kala?
  Gottfried de Purucker mixed many things up, I still wonder although 
  of great knowledge, if he just told all which was known till then 
  about Theosophy in his own words and used a big dose of 
  imagination/fantasy. Exactly a word off which I am accused of, first 
  by Grace Francis Knoche and now by Mr. Randell Grubb. I have never 
  fantasised any of the above ideas, I just try to work with it and 
  find out the Truth, to share with others.
  Well for now, this email is long enough, expect more to follow and 
  thanks for allowing me in this group :-)
  Martin

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