Theos-Talk Archives (January 2008 Message tt00241)

But isn't the Saturn V unmanned?
  Cass

Richard Semock <semockr@hotmail.com> wrote:
          You were doing pretty good until GdP started paraphrasing, 
interpreting, embellishing, and obfuscating what HPB said as in this 
passage:

'Were our scientists by some magic to be transported to the moon, 
even though they would be able to see it almost as clearly as they 
see our earth, I do not believe they would find it easy to walk about 
on its surface, for it is not quite hard enough for easy walking.'

Now that we have been transported to the surface of the moon by the 
magic of the Saturn V rocket, we have seen that it is as substantial 
as the matter on Earth (providing that you believe we made the trip 
on numerous occasions and brought back tons of moon rock:). 

Its hard enough to walk on but its the mass and not the density that 
makes hiking around up there somewhat bouncy. Michael Jordan could 
probably launch himself into orbit around it by utilizing one of his 
famous jumps.

HPB says that its a dead and decaying body because the lifewave that 
lived there is gone and moved to earth.

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
> You got me interested, so I quote from Fountain source of 
occultism.
> 
> When a planetary chain is in its last Round, its Globe 1 or A, 
before finally dying out, sends all its energy and 'principles' into 
a neutral centre of latent force, "a laya centre" and thereby informs 
a new nucleus of undifferentiated substance or matter, i.e. calls it 
into activity or gives it life.
> 
> Cass: Taken from Wisdom World
> What then, is the organic picture of planet formation, the Karmic 
relationships between the members of a planetary family? Basically, 
it follows the ways of every process of generation: the recrudescence 
of latent causes; the emergence of ancient potencies into objective 
activity; the firing up of prëexistent centers in space -- the "laya 
centers." It is Fohat who guides the transfer of the principles 
from one planet to the other, from one star to another -- child-star. 
When a planet dies, its informing principles are transferred to a 
laya or sleeping centre, with potential but latent energy in it, 
which is thus awakened into life and begins to form itself into a new 
sidereal body.... When Fohat is said to produce "Seven Laya Centres," 
it means that for formative or creative purposes, the GREAT LAW ... 
stops, or rather modifies its perpetual motion on seven invisible 
points within the area of the manifested Universe. "The great Breath 
digs through Space seven holes
> into Laya to cause them to circumgyrate during Manvantara." (S.D. 
I, 147). (From the Occult Teachings.) "The Central Sun causes Fohat 
to collect primordial dust in the form of balls, to impel them to 
move in converging lines and finally to approach each other and 
aggregate." ... "Being scattered in Space, without order or system, 
the world-germs come into frequent collision until their final 
aggregation, after which they become wanderers (Comets). Then the 
battles and struggles begin. The older (bodies) attract the younger, 
while others repel them. Many perish, devoured by their stronger 
companions. Those that escape become worlds." (Secret Doctrine, I, 
201). The assertion that all the worlds (Stars, planets, etc.) -- as 
soon as the nucleus of primordial substance in the laya 
(undifferentiated) state is informed by the freed principles, of a 
just deceased sidereal body -- become first comets, and then Suns to 
cool down to inhabitable worlds, is a teaching as old as the
> Rishis.... It is only after losing its velocity, and hence its 
fiery tail, that the "Fiery Dragon" settles down into quiet and 
steady life as a regular respectable member of the sidereal 
family.... what is there so impossible that a laya centre -- a lump 
of cosmic protoplasm, homogeneous and latent, when suddenly animated 
or fired up -- should rush from its bed in Space and whirl throughout 
the abysmal depths in order to strengthen its homogeneous organism by 
an accumulation and addition of differentiated elements? And why 
should not such a comet settle in life, live, and become an inhabited 
globe! (S.D. I, 203-4).
> 
> Cass: Energy and Principles of Moon went to Laya Centre where it 
reforms and eventually becomes an inhabited globe. So Moon 
transferred its energy and principles in order to form our planet 
earth.
> 
> GDP says:
> "and having transferred them to a new centre becoming 
virtually 'a dead planet' in which rotation has almost ceased since 
the birth of our globe. The Moon is now the cold residual quantity, 
the shadow dragged after the new body, into which her living powers 
and 'principles are transfused. She now is doomed for long ages to 
be ever pursuing the Earth, to be attracted by and to attract her 
progeny." (Cass: interesting, as this can be reflected in the decay 
of our physical bodies and explains ghostly apparitions). To 
continue,
> "Constantly vamparised by her child, she revenges herself on it 
by soaking it through and through with the nefarious, invisible, and 
poisoned influence which emanates from the OCCULT side of her 
nature. For she is a dead, yet a living body. The particles of her 
decaying corpse are full of active and destructive life, although the 
body which they had formed is soulless and lifeless (Cass: A shell) 
Therefore its emanations are at the same time beneficent and 
maleficent - this circumstance finding its parallel on earth in the 
fact that the grass and plants are nowhere more juicy and thriving 
than on the graves; while at the same time it is the graveyard or 
corpse-emanations, which kill. And like all ghouls or vampires, the 
moon is the friend of the sorcerers and the foe of the 
unwary.....Such is the moon from the astronomical, geological, and 
physical standpoints. As to her metaphysical and psychic nature it 
must reman an occult secret in this work." The Secret
> Doctring 1, 155-6.
> Cass: Makes you wonder what is happening in the Astral World as 
the Moon is a decaying shell!
> 
> GDP says that that it is a decaying entity and therefore filled 
with low life energies, and is constantly, although automatically, 
suggesting thoughts of depravity and urging the man to commit evil 
thoughts and passions.!! 
> Cass: So it's the moon, not Satan, that we need salvation from! 
lol. Imagine the christians getting a hold of this!
> 
> ...."it sends forth emanations night and day, which rush by 
magnetic attraction to their own kind on earth, permeating our globe 
through and through. Its effluvia are maleficent, so far as men 
are concerned, for they arise in a disintegrating body. The moon has 
all the psychomagnetic energy of a decaying corpse; and, being a 
cosmic body, its emanations and powers of radiation are therefore 
very great.. The crater-like markings of the moon are due to the 
processes of disintegration arising out of its core; pustules, so to 
say, freeing the inner gasses and other things springing out of the 
moon and finding their vents through these so-called craters. 
Blessed will be the humanities of that future time when the moon is 
finally quite vanished through the dissociation of its atoms into 
blue ether.
> 
> Cass to Christina: Makes you wonder what Buz Aldrin experienced 
up there?
> 
> Then he goes on to say
> "What we see when we look up into the starry spaces is the astral 
body, the kama-rupa of the physical moon that was, aeons and aeons 
ago, which physical body is now disintegrated into impalpable cosmic 
dust. We perceive this kama-rupic phantom, because our physical 
earth is one sub-plane than on which the physical body of the moon 
was. Were our scientists by some magic to be transported to the 
moon, even though they would be able to see it almost as clearly as 
they see our earth, I do not believe they would find it easy to walk 
about on its surface, for it is not quite hard enough for easy 
walking.
> 
> Cass: Why did the Astronauts bounce around?
> 
> Anyway, I will leave it there as I have been out to lunch with my 
friends and champagne and theosophy don't mix.
> 
> Cheers
> Cass
> 
> 
> Richard Semock <semockr@...> wrote:
> In the following passage from the SD, it is shown that 
moon & earth 
> are on the same level of manifestation, the lowest level that the 
> monads will ever dip into matter, which is the physical. There are 
> other globes in each chain of more rarified matter and GdP has 
> confused these globes with our physical moon:
> 
> "In the diagrams on p. 172, Fig. 1 (SD1) represents the lunar-chain 
> of seven planets at the outset of its seventh or last Round; while 
> Fig. 2 represents the earth-chain which will be, but is not yet in 
> existence. 
> 
> The seven Globes of each chain are distinguished in their cyclic 
> order by the letters A to G, the Globes of the Earth-chain being 
> further marked by a cross? + ?the symbol of the Earth.
> 
> Now, it must be remembered that the Monads cycling round any 
> septenary chain are divided into seven classes or hierarchies 
> according to their respective stages of evolution, consciousness, 
and 
> merit. Let us follow, then, the order of their appearance on planet 
> A, in the first Round. The time-spaces between the appearances of 
> these hierarchies on any one Globe are so adjusted that when Class 
7, 
> the last, appears on Globe A, Class 1, the first, has just passed 
on 
> to Globe B, and so on, step by step, all round the chain.
> 
> Again, in the Seventh Round on the Lunar chain, when Class 7, the
> last, quits Globe A, that Globe, instead of falling asleep, as it 
had 
> done in previous Rounds, begins to die (to go into its planetary 
> pralaya); and in dying it transfers successively, as just said, its 
> principles, or life-elements and energy, etc., one after the other 
to 
> a new laya-centre, which commences the formation of Globe A of the 
> Earth Chain. 
> 
> A similar process takes place for each of the Globes of the lunar 
> chain one after the other, each forming a fresh Globe of the earth-
> chain. Our Moon was the fourth Globe of the series, and was
> on the same plane of perception as our Earth. But Globe A of the 
> lunar chain is not fully "dead" till the first Monads of the first 
> class have passed from Globe G...
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > I think it was HPB said that the Moon was decaying or in a state 
of 
> obscuration. I don't know whether it was HPB said that we see only 
> the astral counterpart or if it was GdP.
> > Cass
> > 
> > 
> > Richard Semock <semockr@> wrote:
> > Where did GdeP get this info, I dont recall seeing 
> anything of the 
> > kind in the SD. This is the guy that claimed the moon is a ghost 
> body 
> > or rupa. My dupa too!
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Cass, 
> > > is it possible to mix blood from one planetary chain to 
another?. 
> > I am just reading G. de Purucker, and on his Fountain Source of 
> > Occultism, page 134, he states:
> > > "To illustrate: when the planetary chain of earth has reached 
his 
> > manvantara, it dies and the inner principles of all its gloves 
pass 
> > in to their paranirvana. When the reimbodiment of this planetary 
> > chain is karmically destined to take place, the same descent of 
the 
> > higher principles through the inner worlds occurs as in the birth 
> of 
> > a solar system. The new planetary chain is attracted to his own 
> solar 
> > system, reaching it as a comet, periodically wandering out of and 
> in 
> > to his parent solar system and even in and out of the of the 
deeps 
> of 
> > the galaxy. This comet, the planetary chain-to-be, is attracted 
on 
> > several directions, but makes its way constantly that group of 
> > stellar clusters called the zodiac, drawn by spiritual-magnetic 
> > fohatic polarity."
> > > I understand this as the planetary chains and human beings, 
being 
> > one body, would then evolute together as a family, the new 
> planetary 
> > chain developing his new old humanity from previous rounds. My 
own 
> > conclusion might be nonsense anyway.
> > > 
> > > Kind Regards
> > > 
> > > Raquel
> > > 
> > > Cass Silva <silva_cass@> escribió:
> > > Found this interesting in that 70 years before Sagan she 
> > was talking about life on other planets. Do you have any 
reference 
> to 
> > life on Venus or Mars from HPB or any other particular planet. 
This 
> > claim probably started off the aliens have visited us and 
confirms 
> > what Tsarion, Icke, and others are saying. 
> > > I am so ignorant on this particular subject and cannot see 
beyond 
> > the Solar Pitris and the Lunar Pitris, which as we all know 
endowed 
> > humanity with mind and body, was there any other statement about 
> the 
> > mixing of alien with human DNA.
> > > 
> > > Cass
> > > 
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